Re: [RBW] Re: Quickbeam gearing for hills and weak knee?
Hell, boys and girls, I have gleefully taken hacksaw, grinder, Dremel and Vise Grips to various brazed on bits on a custom Rivendell frame and lived not only to tell the tale but to boast of it. This was when I took my 1995 Waterford-built 559-wheeled Road Custom and made it into a fixie. Tout 753! (Fork was 531.) I *did* have the much more expensive and even nicer 2003 Curt adapted to fixed gear use by a professional builder, though. Let me tell you, there are few thrills more thrilling than the suspense-cum-excitement of taking a claw hammer to a frame. I've successfully adapted a Nishiki mixte and, latterly, my Worksman grocery trike, to exotic cranksets by beating dimples into the right stay. Excitement apart, the results (obtained with the help of a mandrel) were quite good. Quoting Stalin: "Beat, beat, and beat again!" On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 8:46 PM, Peter Morgano wrote: > I did the spreading on a raleigh international myself and it was seen as > forbidden for desecrating a classic frame and riv was really against it > although it was pretty simple and my lbs realigned the drops real in two > minutes but that was a 300 dollar frame not 1k > -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Quickbeam gearing for hills and weak knee?
I did the spreading on a raleigh international myself and it was seen as forbidden for desecrating a classic frame and riv was really against it although it was pretty simple and my lbs realigned the drops real in two minutes but that was a 300 dollar frame not 1k On Dec 16, 2011 4:03 PM, "Philip Williamson" wrote: > > ...I would buy a simple one if rivendell would spread it to 135 and > > realign the track ends (make them parallel again) so I could run an > alfine > > hub > > If you really would buy the SimpleOne if the spacing was different, > you might consider just having a shop spread the frame. It doesn't > need to come from "the factory" that way. > You can do the frame spreading yourself, but I'd have a shop align the > dropouts. http://sheldonbrown.com/frame-spacing.html > > Then you could get a matching dynamo front wheel, as well. The OE > Alfine dynamo hubs seem to be out of stock, but they were a great deal > at ~$50. > > Philip > > Philip Williamson > www.biketinker.com > > > On Dec 14, 7:52 pm, Peter Morgano wrote: > > See now I would buy a simple one if rivendell would spread it to 135 and > > realign the track ends (make them parallel again) so I could run an > alfine > > hub. I called to ask them about it but they said they don't do that sort > > of thing, bummer. > > On Dec 14, 2011 9:29 PM, "Philip Williamson" < > [email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My experience with the S3X has been mixed. I like it when it works. > > > A Surly Dingle fixed cog (17/21) will also give you what you want, if > > > you like to ride fixed. I've used the 40/32 stock QB gear with the > > > 17/21 and really liked it. The single-sided gear change can take as > > > little as 15 seconds. > > > > > Currently you have: 40/30 x 17/19 for 64" and 43" gears > > > One possibility: 40/28 x 17/21 for 64" and 36" gears. The lower low is > > > nice, but I like a taller top end for a fixed gear. > > > > > If you prefer coasting, you could spread the frame to 130 or 135 and > > > set up a nice cassette 2-speed in any combo you want. > > > > > Philip > > > > > Philip Williamson > > >www.biketinker.com > > > > > On Dec 14, 2:35 pm, Tim Whalen wrote: > > > > Joe, Your snark comment made me laugh, thanks, and thanks for > looking up > > > > the RR. I'll dig it out. > > > > > > Thanks also Ray, Eric, Larry and Jim. All of your good ideas give > me a > > > lot > > > > to research and experiment with. I think there is a solution in > there > > > > somewhere and really appreciate your help! > > > > > > Good riding, > > > > Tim > > > > > > On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 1:42 PM, Joe Bernard > > > wrote: > > > > > Ah, found it. RR36. The derailered QB was a 40/24 with an 18 > > > freewheel. It > > > > > did have a front derailer, but that seems like a needless > complication > > > to > > > > > me. > > > > > > > -- > > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > > Groups > > > > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > > > > To view this discussion on the web visit > > > > >https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/BzGgj838YLAJ. > > > > > To post to this group, send email to > [email protected] > > > . > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > > [email protected]. > > > > > For more options, visit this group at > > > > >http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > . > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > [email protected]. > > > For more options, visit this group at > > >http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Quickbeam gearing for hills and weak knee?
I had a shop spread the QB to 135. So far no problems (after a whopping 50 miles!) If I can get a drop-bar compatible shifter someday for this Alfine 11, this could end up being the perfect do-all bike. So I share Philip's optimism about the SO. -Original Message- >From: Philip Williamson >Sent: Dec 16, 2011 1:03 PM >To: RBW Owners Bunch >Subject: [RBW] Re: Quickbeam gearing for hills and weak knee? > >> ...I would buy a simple one if rivendell would spread it to 135 and >> realign the track ends (make them parallel again) so I could run an alfine >> hub > >If you really would buy the SimpleOne if the spacing was different, >you might consider just having a shop spread the frame. It doesn't >need to come from "the factory" that way. >You can do the frame spreading yourself, but I'd have a shop align the >dropouts. http://sheldonbrown.com/frame-spacing.html > >Then you could get a matching dynamo front wheel, as well. The OE >Alfine dynamo hubs seem to be out of stock, but they were a great deal >at ~$50. > > Philip > >Philip Williamson >www.biketinker.com > > >On Dec 14, 7:52 pm, Peter Morgano wrote: >> See now I would buy a simple one if rivendell would spread it to 135 and >> realign the track ends (make them parallel again) so I could run an alfine >> hub. I called to ask them about it but they said they don't do that sort >> of thing, bummer. >> On Dec 14, 2011 9:29 PM, "Philip Williamson" >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > My experience with the S3X has been mixed. I like it when it works. >> > A Surly Dingle fixed cog (17/21) will also give you what you want, if >> > you like to ride fixed. I've used the 40/32 stock QB gear with the >> > 17/21 and really liked it. The single-sided gear change can take as >> > little as 15 seconds. >> >> > Currently you have: 40/30 x 17/19 for 64" and 43" gears >> > One possibility: 40/28 x 17/21 for 64" and 36" gears. The lower low is >> > nice, but I like a taller top end for a fixed gear. >> >> > If you prefer coasting, you could spread the frame to 130 or 135 and >> > set up a nice cassette 2-speed in any combo you want. >> >> > Philip >> >> > Philip Williamson >> >www.biketinker.com >> >> > On Dec 14, 2:35 pm, Tim Whalen wrote: >> > > Joe, Your snark comment made me laugh, thanks, and thanks for looking up >> > > the RR. I'll dig it out. >> >> > > Thanks also Ray, Eric, Larry and Jim. All of your good ideas give me a >> > lot >> > > to research and experiment with. I think there is a solution in there >> > > somewhere and really appreciate your help! >> >> > > Good riding, >> > > Tim >> >> > > On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 1:42 PM, Joe Bernard >> > wrote: >> > > > Ah, found it. RR36. The derailered QB was a 40/24 with an 18 >> > freewheel. It >> > > > did have a front derailer, but that seems like a needless complication >> > to >> > > > me. >> >> > > > -- >> > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> > Groups >> > > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> > > > To view this discussion on the web visit >> > > >https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/BzGgj838YLAJ. >> > > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >> > . >> > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> > > > [email protected]. >> > > > For more options, visit this group at >> > > >http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. >> >> > -- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> > [email protected]. >> > For more options, visit this group at >> >http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > >-- >You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW >Owners Bunch" group. >To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >[email protected]. >For more options, visit this group at >http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Quickbeam gearing for hills and weak knee?
Me! I'd mount it on the seatstay! But I will take good note of this warning and position out of the way of any saddlebag. On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 12:20 PM, Philip Williamson < [email protected]> wrote: > > > Things to Don't: > Don't mount your shifter on the seatstay. (Who would do that?) The > shifting is fine (left hand cross body), but it's too easily knocked > by a big saddlebag, and it can come a little loose, which lets you pop > out of low gear. > http://www.biketinker.com/2011/projects/s3x-quickbeam-on-the-road/ > > When it does work, it feels like "damn it feels good to be a > gangster." > Philip > > Philip Williamson > www.biketinker.com > > > > On Dec 15, 9:43 am, "Bill M." wrote: > > Philip, > > > > Can you tell us what happens when the S3X doesn't work, and how often > > that is? > > > > Bill > > > > On Dec 14, 6:29 pm, Philip Williamson > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My experience with the S3X has been mixed. I like it when it works. > > > A Surly Dingle fixed cog (17/21) will also give you what you want, if > > > you like to ride fixed. I've used the 40/32 stock QB gear with the > > > 17/21 and really liked it. The single-sided gear change can take as > > > little as 15 seconds. > > > > > Currently you have: 40/30 x 17/19 for 64" and 43" gears > > > One possibility: 40/28 x 17/21 for 64" and 36" gears. The lower low is > > > nice, but I like a taller top end for a fixed gear. > > > > > If you prefer coasting, you could spread the frame to 130 or 135 and > > > set up a nice cassette 2-speed in any combo you want. > > > > > Philip > > > > > Philip Williamsonwww.biketinker.com > > > > > On Dec 14, 2:35 pm, Tim Whalen wrote: > > > > > > Joe, Your snark comment made me laugh, thanks, and thanks for > looking up > > > > the RR. I'll dig it out. > > > > > > Thanks also Ray, Eric, Larry and Jim. All of your good ideas give > me a lot > > > > to research and experiment with. I think there is a solution in > there > > > > somewhere and really appreciate your help! > > > > > > Good riding, > > > > Tim > > > > > > On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 1:42 PM, Joe Bernard > wrote: > > > > > Ah, found it. RR36. The derailered QB was a 40/24 with an 18 > freewheel. It > > > > > did have a front derailer, but that seems like a needless > complication to > > > > > me. > > > > > > > -- > > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > > > > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > > > > To view this discussion on the web visit > > > > >https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/BzGgj838YLAJ. > > > > > To post to this group, send email to > [email protected]. > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > > [email protected]. > > > > > For more options, visit this group at > > > > >http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Quickbeam gearing for hills and weak knee?
I'm digging the QB with a 40-16 fixed setup, for the gently-sloped flats of Berkeley, and will try a 18T fixed cog on the other side of the hub, so see how that fares on steeper slopes (like Tunnel Road). It's not too bad standing up and posting on hills, just shows up the weakness in the motor (me) more than anything else. I can ride the LongLow if I want 18 speeds (Half-step + granny up front, wide-spread six-speed Sachs in back). Yes, my knees are a bit sore, but at 50... more things are, generally. - Andrew, Berkeley On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 4:04 PM, Joe Bernard wrote: > I realize you're asking Tim, but you quoted me saying I think a front > derailer is unnecessary, so I'll give my opinion. I wouldn't use a bike > like this as an "almost derailer-bike". I would still treat it as mainly a > singlespeed intended to have you either mashing hills, or walking them. I'd > leave it in the 40-18 most of the time, then stop and drop the chain to the > 24 for a big/long one. Where I live, this would work out to starting in the > big ring at the top of the hill; staying in it for a city ride; then making > the switch - after a nice rest and drink - at the bottom on the way home. > > Joe Bernard > Fairfield, CA. > > PS. Dang, now I really wish I'd bought that last small Quickbeam. The > SimpleOne is too big for me. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Quickbeam gearing for hills and weak knee?
See now I would buy a simple one if rivendell would spread it to 135 and realign the track ends (make them parallel again) so I could run an alfine hub. I called to ask them about it but they said they don't do that sort of thing, bummer. On Dec 14, 2011 9:29 PM, "Philip Williamson" wrote: > My experience with the S3X has been mixed. I like it when it works. > A Surly Dingle fixed cog (17/21) will also give you what you want, if > you like to ride fixed. I've used the 40/32 stock QB gear with the > 17/21 and really liked it. The single-sided gear change can take as > little as 15 seconds. > > Currently you have: 40/30 x 17/19 for 64" and 43" gears > One possibility: 40/28 x 17/21 for 64" and 36" gears. The lower low is > nice, but I like a taller top end for a fixed gear. > > If you prefer coasting, you could spread the frame to 130 or 135 and > set up a nice cassette 2-speed in any combo you want. > > Philip > > Philip Williamson > www.biketinker.com > > > On Dec 14, 2:35 pm, Tim Whalen wrote: > > Joe, Your snark comment made me laugh, thanks, and thanks for looking up > > the RR. I'll dig it out. > > > > Thanks also Ray, Eric, Larry and Jim. All of your good ideas give me a > lot > > to research and experiment with. I think there is a solution in there > > somewhere and really appreciate your help! > > > > Good riding, > > Tim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 1:42 PM, Joe Bernard > wrote: > > > Ah, found it. RR36. The derailered QB was a 40/24 with an 18 > freewheel. It > > > did have a front derailer, but that seems like a needless complication > to > > > me. > > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > > To view this discussion on the web visit > > >https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/BzGgj838YLAJ. > > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > . > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > [email protected]. > > > For more options, visit this group at > > >http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Quickbeam gearing for hills and weak knee?
I realize you're asking Tim, but you quoted me saying I think a front derailer is unnecessary, so I'll give my opinion. I wouldn't use a bike like this as an "almost derailer-bike". I would still treat it as mainly a singlespeed intended to have you either mashing hills, or walking them. I'd leave it in the 40-18 most of the time, then stop and drop the chain to the 24 for a big/long one. Where I live, this would work out to starting in the big ring at the top of the hill; staying in it for a city ride; then making the switch - after a nice rest and drink - at the bottom on the way home. Joe Bernard Fairfield, CA. PS. Dang, now I really wish I'd bought that last small Quickbeam. The SimpleOne is too big for me. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/z1fcMy3rFn4J. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Quickbeam gearing for hills and weak knee?
Interesting. Are you thinking use a finger or stick to shift it, sort of like the Rivendell plan for their new bike? I've thought about that, but it's not for me. I need to be able to shift with a lever while staying on the bike. That was part of the reason I was not tempted at all by the new Rivendell when they advertised that it's not a bike that can take a front derailleur. -Jim "FDs all the way" Warren -Original Message- >From: Joe Bernard > >Ah, found it. RR36. The derailered QB was a 40/24 with an 18 freewheel. It did >have a front derailer, but that seems like a needless complication to me. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Quickbeam gearing for hills and weak knee?
Joe, Your snark comment made me laugh, thanks, and thanks for looking up the RR. I'll dig it out. Thanks also Ray, Eric, Larry and Jim. All of your good ideas give me a lot to research and experiment with. I think there is a solution in there somewhere and really appreciate your help! Good riding, Tim On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 1:42 PM, Joe Bernard wrote: > Ah, found it. RR36. The derailered QB was a 40/24 with an 18 freewheel. It > did have a front derailer, but that seems like a needless complication to > me. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/BzGgj838YLAJ. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Quickbeam gearing for hills and weak knee?
Actually, you can't have more than an 8 gear tooth difference in chain wheels or the movement in the rear slots won't work Sent from my iPhone On Dec 14, 2011, at 8:28 AM, Joe Bernard wrote: > How 'bout a 36-24 combo up front? > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/pNISXBjg2oIJ. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Quickbeam gearing for hills and weak knee?
On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 12:51 PM, NickBull wrote: > A little over a hundred years ago, Paul de Vivie popularized an > invention that might be useful here, he called it a derailleur. > Alternatively, an epicyclic hub gear, popularized around the same time > period, could keep your current drivetrain setup with only a little > additional weight and complexity while solving your problem of needing > different gears on the flat and on hills. > What an elegant solution! Tell me more about these 'derailleurs'. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
