Re: [RBW] Re: Racers want fatter tires

2015-04-06 Thread Paul G 
Yeah, I had forgotten how tubulars allow lower pressures than equivalently 
sized clinchers. That explains, at least partially, why wider tires are not 
being used in the pro peloton. The extra weight of a fatter tire becomes a 
hindrance to the multiple accelerations a racer has to make so the lightest 
tire they can get away with makes sense.

Your 33mm tubulars must be like a Tempurpedic mattress! Don't fall asleep 
while riding!

On Monday, April 6, 2015 at 11:02:08 AM UTC-7, Mark Reimer wrote:
>
> Somewhere out there i remember seeing a slow-mo video of tires rolling 
> over the cobbles at Paris Roubaix. There was a lot of 'straight to the rim' 
> impact happening. I think the tubular choice has more to do with avoiding 
> flats and reducing rotational weight than anything. 
>
> I ride FMB cx tubulars, 33mm, and I can definitely say they are like 
> riding on a cloud, but that is significantly more volume!
>
> On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 12:24 PM, Brewster Fong  > wrote:
>
>>
>> On Monday, April 6, 2015 at 7:22:55 AM UTC-7, Mark Reimer wrote:
>>>
>>>  It's absolute madness to me that some guys run 23/25s!
>>>
>>  
>> I don't know. Most of the racers ride on tubular tires. If you listen to 
>> all the tubular fanatics, nothing rides more smoothly than tubulars and 
>> even at 23/25mm width, they're way more comfortable than the average 
>> clincher tire. So, would a 700x25 tubular tire at say 80-90 psi be "as 
>> comfortable?"  Of course, the 30mm dugast tires that Specialized and others 
>> used in PR are tubulars, so they would be even more comfortable! Good Luck! 
>>  
>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, April 6, 2015 at 1:22:31 AM UTC-5, Paul G wrote:

 Race mechanic, Rob Geysen, wishes his team's race bikes had clearance 
 for tires wider than 28mm at today's Tour Of Flanders. Will race bikes be 
 designed for fat tires (again) in the future? 

 http://www.bikeradar.com/road/gear/article/wider-is-better-
 at-flanders-43995/
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Racers want fatter tires

2015-04-06 Thread Brewster Fong 

On Monday, April 6, 2015 at 11:02:08 AM UTC-7, Mark Reimer wrote:
>
> Somewhere out there i remember seeing a slow-mo video of tires rolling 
> over the cobbles at Paris Roubaix. There was a lot of 'straight to the rim' 
> impact happening. I think the tubular choice has more to do with avoiding 
> flats and reducing rotational weight than anything. 
>
> I ride FMB cx tubulars, 33mm, and I can definitely say they are like 
> riding on a cloud, but that is significantly more volume!
>
 
At least for the classics, it appears most teams are now going to 26-28mm 
wide tires and some want wider like 30mm!  Further, they using bigger gears 
ranging from 11-27 to 11-32! 
 
 
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/tour-of-flanders-tech-wider-tires-bigger-cogs-the-norm
 
Good Luck!

>
> On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 12:24 PM, Brewster Fong  > wrote:
>
>>
>> On Monday, April 6, 2015 at 7:22:55 AM UTC-7, Mark Reimer wrote:
>>>
>>>  It's absolute madness to me that some guys run 23/25s!
>>>
>>  
>> I don't know. Most of the racers ride on tubular tires. If you listen to 
>> all the tubular fanatics, nothing rides more smoothly than tubulars and 
>> even at 23/25mm width, they're way more comfortable than the average 
>> clincher tire. So, would a 700x25 tubular tire at say 80-90 psi be "as 
>> comfortable?"  Of course, the 30mm dugast tires that Specialized and others 
>> used in PR are tubulars, so they would be even more comfortable! Good Luck! 
>>  
>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, April 6, 2015 at 1:22:31 AM UTC-5, Paul G wrote:

 Race mechanic, Rob Geysen, wishes his team's race bikes had clearance 
 for tires wider than 28mm at today's Tour Of Flanders. Will race bikes be 
 designed for fat tires (again) in the future? 

 http://www.bikeradar.com/road/gear/article/wider-is-better-
 at-flanders-43995/
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Re: [RBW] Re: Racers want fatter tires

2015-04-06 Thread Mark Reimer 
Somewhere out there i remember seeing a slow-mo video of tires rolling over
the cobbles at Paris Roubaix. There was a lot of 'straight to the rim'
impact happening. I think the tubular choice has more to do with avoiding
flats and reducing rotational weight than anything.

I ride FMB cx tubulars, 33mm, and I can definitely say they are like riding
on a cloud, but that is significantly more volume!

On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 12:24 PM, Brewster Fong  wrote:

>
> On Monday, April 6, 2015 at 7:22:55 AM UTC-7, Mark Reimer wrote:
>>
>>  It's absolute madness to me that some guys run 23/25s!
>>
>
> I don't know. Most of the racers ride on tubular tires. If you listen to
> all the tubular fanatics, nothing rides more smoothly than tubulars and
> even at 23/25mm width, they're way more comfortable than the average
> clincher tire. So, would a 700x25 tubular tire at say 80-90 psi be "as
> comfortable?"  Of course, the 30mm dugast tires that Specialized and others
> used in PR are tubulars, so they would be even more comfortable! Good Luck!
>
>
>>
>> On Monday, April 6, 2015 at 1:22:31 AM UTC-5, Paul G wrote:
>>>
>>> Race mechanic, Rob Geysen, wishes his team's race bikes had clearance
>>> for tires wider than 28mm at today's Tour Of Flanders. Will race bikes be
>>> designed for fat tires (again) in the future?
>>>
>>> http://www.bikeradar.com/road/gear/article/wider-is-better-
>>> at-flanders-43995/
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Racers want fatter tires

2015-04-06 Thread Jim Bronson 
Wow, that's about a hair's width of clearance between the tire and the
brake caliper.  Tight doesn't begin to describe it!

On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 11:18 AM, Paul G  wrote:

> Yes, they used a 30mm in the rear, but only a 28mm in front. I wonder if
> fork clearance prevented the use of a 30mm in front and, had there been
> sufficient clearance, they would have used a 30mm up front too.
>
> 23/25mm is indeed madness as is the lack of clearance on the race bikes
> that are developed specifically for Tour of Flanders/Paris Roubaix. I also
> wonder if it would be a detriment to offer "standard reach caliper
> clearance" on a race bike versus a close clearance bike of a rival in the
> peloton.
>
> Here's an image of that 30mm rear tire on Niki Terpstra's Specialized
> Roubaix
> .
> Notice the brake pad at the bottom of the caliper slot.
>
>
>
> On Monday, April 6, 2015 at 7:22:55 AM UTC-7, Mark Reimer wrote:
>>
>> Last year at Paris Roubaix, Quickstep were running 30mm dugast tubulars.
>> There are occasionally guys who race cross bikes too. A 30mm slick seems
>> like it would be a perfect tire for that race. It's absolute madness to me
>> that some guys run 23/25s!
>>
>> On Monday, April 6, 2015 at 1:22:31 AM UTC-5, Paul G wrote:
>>>
>>> Race mechanic, Rob Geysen, wishes his team's race bikes had clearance
>>> for tires wider than 28mm at today's Tour Of Flanders. Will race bikes be
>>> designed for fat tires (again) in the future?
>>>
>>> http://www.bikeradar.com/road/gear/article/wider-is-better-
>>> at-flanders-43995/
>>
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