Re: [RBW] Re: Rando Advice

2012-03-14 Thread Steve Palincsar 
On Wed, 2012-03-14 at 11:53 -0400, Steven Frederick wrote:
> I almost think there are two positions on the ba top, too--in near the
> stem for aerodynamics or further out for control on a dirt road or to
> sit up and rest ones shoulders/hands/neck.

For a wide bar, I would definitely agree.  For a narrow one and big
hands, maybe not.  I very briefly tried on of Jan's Randonneur bars at
the Stonewall Jackson shrine one one of Meade's iBOB rides, and found it
so narrow I barely had one position on the bar top - felt like there
wasn't enough room.  And I think there are narrower bars than that!



> 
> SteveF
> 
> On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 10:09 AM, Seth Vidal  wrote:
> > On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 10:07 AM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> >> On Mon, 2012-03-12 at 09:38 -0400, Peter Morgano wrote:
> >>> Sorry steve, wasnt insulting your mom, just asking an honest question.
> >>> Relax, you will live longer.
> >>
> >> And I was giving you an honest answer.  What's got your knickers in a
> >> twist?
> >>
> >> - bar top
> >> - at the curve
> >> - on the ramp
> >> - on the hoods
> >> - in the hooks
> >> - on the bar ends
> >>
> >> I count six.  Of these, I use all but the next to last.
> >>
> >>
> >
> > Ah ha - on the bar ends - I don't often ride there so I don't think of
> > that as a position.
> >
> > -sv
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rando Advice

2012-03-14 Thread Steven Frederick 
I almost think there are two positions on the ba top, too--in near the
stem for aerodynamics or further out for control on a dirt road or to
sit up and rest ones shoulders/hands/neck.

SteveF

On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 10:09 AM, Seth Vidal  wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 10:07 AM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
>> On Mon, 2012-03-12 at 09:38 -0400, Peter Morgano wrote:
>>> Sorry steve, wasnt insulting your mom, just asking an honest question.
>>> Relax, you will live longer.
>>
>> And I was giving you an honest answer.  What's got your knickers in a
>> twist?
>>
>> - bar top
>> - at the curve
>> - on the ramp
>> - on the hoods
>> - in the hooks
>> - on the bar ends
>>
>> I count six.  Of these, I use all but the next to last.
>>
>>
>
> Ah ha - on the bar ends - I don't often ride there so I don't think of
> that as a position.
>
> -sv
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rando Advice

2012-03-12 Thread Peter Morgano 
Hmm, I wish we could all be so positive, living and working in NYC and
working in the legal/financial industry for a while has soured me on
people's intentions and tone in email/texts in general.  Wish i was close
enough to the Park down here to go do a lap on my break but alas stuck here
in lower manhattan all day. I will try to adjust my brain from work mode to
list mode next time before I respond.  Thanks all.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rando Advice

2012-03-12 Thread CycloFiend 


"Sorry, still cant tell what is sarcasm and what is trying to be helpful on
the web, all nuance is lost in typing. " 


Let's see, let me dig out my list admin hat on this one
and I'm really just taking up this comment as I've been way behind on any
kind of general State of the List Message of late.  So, the main bad is on
me. 

If it's on this list, it's supposed to be helpful.  The Quality of this list
works best if everyone assumes that the tone they're reading is a helpful
one.  

Although I haven't been as actively posting, I do try to read the majority
of the comments.  It's been gratifying to see that the "polite and helpful"
tone which is the (lone) guideline of this group has been maintained so well
as we've grown.  (And grown we have...)

Anyway, I'm a big believer in assuming a smile on the other side of the
monitor.  

- Jim

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rando Advice

2012-03-12 Thread Pammie 
Great posts!  Thanks!  Yes, I have a Brompton and am completely jealous of 
those touring Bike Fridays I see posted from Europe!!  I'm so impressed 
you've done extensive touring - we have a dealer close to my house.   As 
for me, I've only done about 20 miles on my folder so far (I used it for 
air travel - which I do quite a bit of for work). . .And, brilliant idea 
about the drops - I tend to agree to really get into rando - the 
wonderfully upright position of the Albatross for example, could be tiring. 
. . So, I'd have to probably set it up as a tourer from the get go  (but 
the Albatross do look so comfy for shorter jaunts!). . . . . I'm scouring 
the lists for possible used Betty Foys and Glorious'.   I'm gonna have to 
do a populaire this year!  I'll dare do one on a mixte. 

On Sunday, March 11, 2012 7:43:48 PM UTC-7, Peter M wrote:
>
> Sorry it's been a while since I rode with drop bars but don't they have 
> only two positions too?  On top of the bars and down in the drops?  Again 
> it has been a while for me,  my last drop bars were nitto olympiad,  Haha.  
> On Mar 11, 2012 10:32 PM, "cyclotourist"  wrote:
>
>> A Foy would do wonderfully IMHO. Drop bars would be the thing that makes 
>> or breaks it though. If you have Albatross bars like most Betties are set 
>> up, you may get tired of the two hand positions and upright posture. 
>> Anything more than a couple 
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 6:50 PM, Joan Oppel  wrote:
>>
>>> Pam - I don't have a mixte, but I do have a Bike Friday.  I've ridden it 
>>> on several long rides - a 2-day ride last August that covered 108 miles the 
>>> first day, 84 the second day.  It's also been on at least 2 rides of over 
>>> 70 miles.  It's a fine and comfortable bike for me and I took care in 
>>> setting it up to be that way.  I have a rear rack so it can carry a trunk 
>>> bag and I use a smaller handlebar bag.  I know at least a couple of people 
>>> who have done long randonneur rides on Bike Fridays (200k, and longer).  
>>>
>>> I think it all depends on how comfortable on the BF, whether it's geared 
>>> for the terrain of the populaire.  As for the mixte, I think it would be 
>>> good to try it out on a 45-50 mile ride and see how you feel at that 
>>> distance.  That will give you some data about how it would work for you on 
>>> the longer populaire.  
>>>
>>> Hope that helps,
>>> Joan
>>> On 03/11/12, Pammie wrote:
>>>  
>>> On a slightly different tangent - I'm wanting to rando - I know, for 
>>> example, the Betty Foy is good for light touring . . 
>>>
>>> What do you think about using the BF or a mixte for Rando?  I'm a bike 
>>> fanatic that doesn't have a good touring bike ( I have a road, hybrid, 
>>> folding and full susp.)  but am looking to buy a  commuter (24 miles RT) 
>>> that can be used for longer touring . . . I'd like to do a populaire this 
>>> year. . . Any thoughts would be helpful! - Pam (in Ventura).
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, March 7, 2012 9:11:05 PM UTC-8, Mike wrote:

 Hey Smitty, I won't be at the populaire but I know those roads well
 and you'll have a good time. The ORR crew is quite a mix but everyone
 is friendly. They'll be a fast crew that blast off at the start but
 there will also be plenty of folks just motoring along at a reasonable
 pace and enjoying the ride. There's tons of good advice, just remember
 to eat and don't get stressed keeping up with folks faster than you.

 A 100k populaire was my first randonneuring event and I was hooked
 after I did that. I couldn't wait until the 200k. And then the 300k.
 and on... During my first year I overpacked for each ride but it
 didn't matter. This past year I did a 300k with just a XS SaddleSack
 and felt I had everything I needed. There seem to be things that you
 pick up and learn with experience no matter what you read.

 Hopefully you'll feel up for the 200k starting in Canby. It'll be new
 route for all of us but sure to beautiful and enjoyable. Be sure to
 take pictures.

 --mike
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rando Advice

2012-03-12 Thread Peter Morgano 
Sorry, still cant tell what is sarcasm and what is trying to be helpful on
the web, all nuance is lost in typing.Maybe this summer will try the
davinci splitters and build a noodle setup to go back and forth with them
and the Albas to see which one is better since I dont currently own a drop
bar bike.

On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 10:09 AM, Seth Vidal  wrote:

> On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 10:07 AM, Steve Palincsar 
> wrote:
> > On Mon, 2012-03-12 at 09:38 -0400, Peter Morgano wrote:
> >> Sorry steve, wasnt insulting your mom, just asking an honest question.
> >> Relax, you will live longer.
> >
> > And I was giving you an honest answer.  What's got your knickers in a
> > twist?
> >
> > - bar top
> > - at the curve
> > - on the ramp
> > - on the hoods
> > - in the hooks
> > - on the bar ends
> >
> > I count six.  Of these, I use all but the next to last.
> >
> >
>
> Ah ha - on the bar ends - I don't often ride there so I don't think of
> that as a position.
>
> -sv
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rando Advice

2012-03-12 Thread Seth Vidal 
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 10:07 AM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> On Mon, 2012-03-12 at 09:38 -0400, Peter Morgano wrote:
>> Sorry steve, wasnt insulting your mom, just asking an honest question.
>> Relax, you will live longer.
>
> And I was giving you an honest answer.  What's got your knickers in a
> twist?
>
> - bar top
> - at the curve
> - on the ramp
> - on the hoods
> - in the hooks
> - on the bar ends
>
> I count six.  Of these, I use all but the next to last.
>
>

Ah ha - on the bar ends - I don't often ride there so I don't think of
that as a position.

-sv

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rando Advice

2012-03-12 Thread Steve Palincsar 
On Mon, 2012-03-12 at 09:38 -0400, Peter Morgano wrote:
> Sorry steve, wasnt insulting your mom, just asking an honest question.
> Relax, you will live longer. 

And I was giving you an honest answer.  What's got your knickers in a
twist?

- bar top
- at the curve
- on the ramp
- on the hoods
- in the hooks
- on the bar ends

I count six.  Of these, I use all but the next to last.



> 
> On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 9:21 AM, Steve Palincsar 
> wrote:
> On Sun, 2012-03-11 at 22:43 -0400, Peter Morgano wrote:
> > Sorry it's been a while since I rode with drop bars but
> don't they
> > have only two positions too?  On top of the bars and down in
> the
> > drops?  Again it has been a while for me,  my last drop bars
> were
> > nitto olympiad,
> 
> 
> More like 6 rather than 2 positions.

> 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rando Advice

2012-03-12 Thread Peter Morgano 
Sorry steve, wasnt insulting your mom, just asking an honest question.
Relax, you will live longer.

On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 9:21 AM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:

> On Sun, 2012-03-11 at 22:43 -0400, Peter Morgano wrote:
> > Sorry it's been a while since I rode with drop bars but don't they
> > have only two positions too?  On top of the bars and down in the
> > drops?  Again it has been a while for me,  my last drop bars were
> > nitto olympiad,
>
> More like 6 rather than 2 positions.
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rando Advice

2012-03-12 Thread Seth Vidal 
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 9:21 AM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> On Sun, 2012-03-11 at 22:43 -0400, Peter Morgano wrote:
>> Sorry it's been a while since I rode with drop bars but don't they
>> have only two positions too?  On top of the bars and down in the
>> drops?  Again it has been a while for me,  my last drop bars were
>> nitto olympiad,
>
> More like 6 rather than 2 positions.
>

What's the sixth one?

I can think of: hooks, hoods, ramps, bends, flats.

What's number 6?

-sv

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rando Advice

2012-03-12 Thread Steve Palincsar 
On Sun, 2012-03-11 at 22:43 -0400, Peter Morgano wrote:
> Sorry it's been a while since I rode with drop bars but don't they
> have only two positions too?  On top of the bars and down in the
> drops?  Again it has been a while for me,  my last drop bars were
> nitto olympiad,

More like 6 rather than 2 positions.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Rando Advice

2012-03-11 Thread cyclotourist 
What Smitty said.

On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 7:57 PM, Smitty <[email protected]> wrote:

> I'm a recent drop bar tryer-out-er... nitto noodle 48s. Been on the bike 3
> or 4 weeks. The more I ride 'em the more I like 'em. I've found 5 or maybe
> 6 useful positions.  And a few more that work for a brief stretch-out
> positions.
>
> 1) straight top section (narrow or wide + overhand or underhand)
> 2) curves (underhand or over hand)
> 3) ramps
> 4) brake hoods
> 5) drops forward (so I can reach brake levers)
> 6) drops back (near bar ends)
>
> Now that I'm used to the wide drops I'm interested to try some that are a
> bit more narrow for comparison.
>
> --Smitty
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, March 6, 2012 9:09:17 AM UTC-8, Smitty wrote:
>
>> I'm thinking of riding in a 100k populaire in a couple weeks. I know it's
>> not a tremendous distance but it'll be my first rando event and my longest
>> ride ever.
>>
>> I plan to do it on my Hilsen... I've got the necessary reflectors, lights
>> (battery), fenders, and a small sackville saddle bag + front trunk sack to
>> carry stuff.
>>
>> I've got 40mm Marathon Supremes on there now. I imagine I'd be the only
>> one with 40mm tires. Not that that's a deal breaker but I've been
>> contemplating getting a set of faster tires and this seems like as good a
>> reason as any to make a purchase. What sort of tires do people normally
>> ride on such an event? I love all the Schwalbes I've had and am tempted to
>> get Kojaks out of brand loyalty. I was also eyeing the 32mm Grand Bois
>> Cypress on Jan's site. As far as I can tell Jan is the rando guy and I
>> can't imagine he'd sell crappy tires.
>>
>> What sort of foods do people eat? I'd rather avoid things in the power
>> goo and protein pudding food group. I went for a ride with some roadie
>> types a few weeks ago and brought dates as my snack. I was keeping up ok
>> before I ate the dates but the dates sat heavy in my belly and I became a
>> slug.
>>
>> How extensive of a tool kit do people generally bring on a ride like
>> this? I generally carry more tools than I've ever really needed on the
>> road. Flats are really my only stop-me-in-my-tracks roadside repair I've
>> had to deal with. I'm tempted to minimize the tool kit but don't want to go
>> too small.
>>
>> I realize the ride is short enough that I could probably get by doing
>> business as usual and get through it but thought I'd solicit advice from
>> those who have gone before. Perhaps I could appear more sophisticated than
>> I really am. Any thoughts or advice... food, tire, tool, or otherwise... 
>> would
>> be appreciated.
>>
>> Oh yeah, FWIW... the ride is the OR Randonneurs Brewpub 
>> Popularie
>>
>> Thanks, Smitty
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rando Advice

2012-03-11 Thread Peter Morgano 
Sorry it's been a while since I rode with drop bars but don't they have
only two positions too?  On top of the bars and down in the drops?  Again
it has been a while for me,  my last drop bars were nitto olympiad,  Haha.
On Mar 11, 2012 10:32 PM, "cyclotourist"  wrote:

> A Foy would do wonderfully IMHO. Drop bars would be the thing that makes
> or breaks it though. If you have Albatross bars like most Betties are set
> up, you may get tired of the two hand positions and upright posture.
> Anything more than a couple
>
> On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 6:50 PM, Joan Oppel  wrote:
>
>> Pam - I don't have a mixte, but I do have a Bike Friday.  I've ridden it
>> on several long rides - a 2-day ride last August that covered 108 miles the
>> first day, 84 the second day.  It's also been on at least 2 rides of over
>> 70 miles.  It's a fine and comfortable bike for me and I took care in
>> setting it up to be that way.  I have a rear rack so it can carry a trunk
>> bag and I use a smaller handlebar bag.  I know at least a couple of people
>> who have done long randonneur rides on Bike Fridays (200k, and longer).
>>
>> I think it all depends on how comfortable on the BF, whether it's geared
>> for the terrain of the populaire.  As for the mixte, I think it would be
>> good to try it out on a 45-50 mile ride and see how you feel at that
>> distance.  That will give you some data about how it would work for you on
>> the longer populaire.
>>
>> Hope that helps,
>> Joan
>> On 03/11/12, Pammie wrote:
>>
>> On a slightly different tangent - I'm wanting to rando - I know, for
>> example, the Betty Foy is good for light touring . .
>>
>> What do you think about using the BF or a mixte for Rando?  I'm a bike
>> fanatic that doesn't have a good touring bike ( I have a road, hybrid,
>> folding and full susp.)  but am looking to buy a  commuter (24 miles RT)
>> that can be used for longer touring . . . I'd like to do a populaire this
>> year. . . Any thoughts would be helpful! - Pam (in Ventura).
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 7, 2012 9:11:05 PM UTC-8, Mike wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey Smitty, I won't be at the populaire but I know those roads well
>>> and you'll have a good time. The ORR crew is quite a mix but everyone
>>> is friendly. They'll be a fast crew that blast off at the start but
>>> there will also be plenty of folks just motoring along at a reasonable
>>> pace and enjoying the ride. There's tons of good advice, just remember
>>> to eat and don't get stressed keeping up with folks faster than you.
>>>
>>> A 100k populaire was my first randonneuring event and I was hooked
>>> after I did that. I couldn't wait until the 200k. And then the 300k.
>>> and on... During my first year I overpacked for each ride but it
>>> didn't matter. This past year I did a 300k with just a XS SaddleSack
>>> and felt I had everything I needed. There seem to be things that you
>>> pick up and learn with experience no matter what you read.
>>>
>>> Hopefully you'll feel up for the 200k starting in Canby. It'll be new
>>> route for all of us but sure to beautiful and enjoyable. Be sure to
>>> take pictures.
>>>
>>> --mike
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rando Advice

2012-03-11 Thread cyclotourist 
A Foy would do wonderfully IMHO. Drop bars would be the thing that makes or
breaks it though. If you have Albatross bars like most Betties are set up,
you may get tired of the two hand positions and upright posture. Anything
more than a couple

On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 6:50 PM, Joan Oppel  wrote:

> Pam - I don't have a mixte, but I do have a Bike Friday.  I've ridden it
> on several long rides - a 2-day ride last August that covered 108 miles the
> first day, 84 the second day.  It's also been on at least 2 rides of over
> 70 miles.  It's a fine and comfortable bike for me and I took care in
> setting it up to be that way.  I have a rear rack so it can carry a trunk
> bag and I use a smaller handlebar bag.  I know at least a couple of people
> who have done long randonneur rides on Bike Fridays (200k, and longer).
>
> I think it all depends on how comfortable on the BF, whether it's geared
> for the terrain of the populaire.  As for the mixte, I think it would be
> good to try it out on a 45-50 mile ride and see how you feel at that
> distance.  That will give you some data about how it would work for you on
> the longer populaire.
>
> Hope that helps,
> Joan
> On 03/11/12, Pammie wrote:
>
> On a slightly different tangent - I'm wanting to rando - I know, for
> example, the Betty Foy is good for light touring . .
>
> What do you think about using the BF or a mixte for Rando?  I'm a bike
> fanatic that doesn't have a good touring bike ( I have a road, hybrid,
> folding and full susp.)  but am looking to buy a  commuter (24 miles RT)
> that can be used for longer touring . . . I'd like to do a populaire this
> year. . . Any thoughts would be helpful! - Pam (in Ventura).
>
> On Wednesday, March 7, 2012 9:11:05 PM UTC-8, Mike wrote:
>>
>> Hey Smitty, I won't be at the populaire but I know those roads well
>> and you'll have a good time. The ORR crew is quite a mix but everyone
>> is friendly. They'll be a fast crew that blast off at the start but
>> there will also be plenty of folks just motoring along at a reasonable
>> pace and enjoying the ride. There's tons of good advice, just remember
>> to eat and don't get stressed keeping up with folks faster than you.
>>
>> A 100k populaire was my first randonneuring event and I was hooked
>> after I did that. I couldn't wait until the 200k. And then the 300k.
>> and on... During my first year I overpacked for each ride but it
>> didn't matter. This past year I did a 300k with just a XS SaddleSack
>> and felt I had everything I needed. There seem to be things that you
>> pick up and learn with experience no matter what you read.
>>
>> Hopefully you'll feel up for the 200k starting in Canby. It'll be new
>> route for all of us but sure to beautiful and enjoyable. Be sure to
>> take pictures.
>>
>> --mike
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rando Advice

2012-03-11 Thread Joan Oppel 
Pam - I don't have a mixte, but I do have a Bike Friday.  I've ridden it on several long rides - a 2-day ride last August that covered 108 miles the first day, 84 the second day.  It's also been on at least 2 rides of over 70 miles.  It's a fine and comfortable bike for me and I took care in setting it up to be that way.  I have a rear rack so it can carry a trunk bag and I use a smaller handlebar bag.  I know at least a couple of people who have done long randonneur rides on Bike Fridays (200k, and longer).  I think it all depends on how comfortable on the BF, whether it's geared for the terrain of the populaire.  As for the mixte, I think it would be good to try it out on a 45-50 mile ride and see how you feel at that distance.  That will give you some data about how it would work for you on the longer populaire.  Hope that helps,JoanOn 03/11/12, Pammie wrote: On a slightly different tangent - I'm wanting to rando - I know, for example, the Betty Foy is good for light touring . . What do you think about using the BF or a mixte for Rando?  I'm a bike fanatic that doesn't have a good touring bike ( I have a road, hybrid, folding and full susp.)  but am looking to buy a  commuter (24 miles RT) that can be used for longer touring . . . I'd like to do a populaire this year. . . Any thoughts would be helpful! - Pam (in Ventura).On Wednesday, March 7, 2012 9:11:05 PM UTC-8, Mike wrote:Hey Smitty, I won't be at the populaire but I know those roads welland you'll have a good time. The ORR crew is quite a mix but everyoneis friendly. They'll be a fast crew that blast off at the start butthere will also be plenty of folks just motoring along at a reasonablepace and enjoying the ride. There's tons of good advice, just rememberto eat and don't get stressed keeping up with folks faster than you.A 100k populaire was my first randonneuring event and I was hookedafter I did that. I couldn't wait until the 200k. And then the 300k.and on... During my first year I overpacked for each ride but itdidn't matter. This past year I did a 300k with just a XS SaddleSackand felt I had everything I needed. There seem to be things that youpick up and learn with experience no matter what you read.Hopefully you'll feel up for the 200k starting in Canby. It'll be newroute for all of us but sure to beautiful and enjoyable. Be sure totake pictures.--mike-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/mJUQqrleXGIJ. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Rando Advice

2012-03-11 Thread Steve Palincsar 
On Sat, 2012-03-10 at 19:33 -0800, Pammie wrote:
> On a slightly different tangent - I'm wanting to rando - I know, for
> example, the Betty Foy is good for light touring . . 
> 
> 
> What do you think about using the BF or a mixte for Rando?  

Much depends on how well the Friday or the mixte fit you.  I know people
who ride brevets on Fridays.  I think one has done PBP on the Friday.

"Mixte" covers a multitude of possibilities, some excellent for long
distance riding, some best suited to short shopping trips.  

In any case, you definitely do not need a full-up loaded touring bike to
do brevets.

> I'm a bike fanatic that doesn't have a good touring bike ( I have a
> road, hybrid, folding and full susp.)  but am looking to buy a
> commuter (24 miles RT) that can be used for longer touring . . . I'd
> like to do a populaire this year. . . Any thoughts would be helpful! -
> Pam (in Ventura).




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Re: [RBW] Re: Rando Advice

2012-03-07 Thread CycloFiend 
on 3/7/12 11:16 AM, RonLau at [email protected] wrote:

> Since we are talking Populaire, I would like to point out San
> Francisco Randonneurs is hosting a 115K on March 31, Saturday.
> 
> http://sfrandonneurs.org/registration.htm#
> 
> Cost is $5 and you get food at the end.
> 
> Below is the link from last October.  You will see the distance and
> climbs.
> http://connect.garmin.com/activity/118395913
> 
> Has been turning into a social event for some of us and hope you can
> join us.
> Most of SF local will go and it is a good time to learn about distance
> riding.

Thanks for the reminder, Ron!  I'd forgotten to sign up.  Trying to get a
good friend to go, so not sure if I'll be rolling the Quickbeam or the
Coastable (Hilsen).

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rando Advice

2012-03-07 Thread CycloFiend 
on 3/6/12 3:10 PM, rcnute at [email protected] wrote:

> Are there populaires where cards are used?  I haven't seen them on the
> SIR ones.

My club - San Francisco Randonneurs - use a card.  Since they tend to focus
on these events to bring in new riders, they like to have the practice
dealing with controlles and such.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rando Advice

2012-03-06 Thread PATRICK MOORE 
Patrick: why is this so? Again, just asking, not contradicting. One
reads everywhere that "carbo loading" the night before is the way to
go and, of course, breakfast is said to be the most important meal.

Can you explain in more detail why you counsel against "carbo loading"
and a big breakfast?

Thanks.

On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 1:31 PM, Patrick in VT  wrote:
> On Mar 6, 12:09 pm, Smitty-A-Go-Go <[email protected]> wrote:

> do not carbo load the night before and do not eat a huge breakfast.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rando Advice

2012-03-06 Thread Steve Palincsar 
On Tue, 2012-03-06 at 15:10 -0800, rcnute wrote:
> Are there populaires where cards are used?  I haven't seen them on the
> SIR ones.

The RUSA rules don't seem to say anything on the subject.  I assumed
they did.  However, I googled around a bit and found this:

"What is a Populaire? - A Populaire is a brevet-format ride shorter than
200km (100km-199km), run under the same rules and using the same kind of
control cards as brevets."
--http://www.rmccrides.com/brevets.htm  (Rocky Mountain Cycling Club)
so obviously /some/ groups do it the way I assumed.

I've never been on one myself.  I belong to DC Randonneurs and did not
participate in the "Darwinian" Populaire Nick described; and these days
the only other Populaires DC Rand has hosted have been in January.  Now
I don't know about you, but *I* am not up for 100km rides in January.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Rando Advice

2012-03-06 Thread Steve Palincsar 
On Tue, 2012-03-06 at 12:21 -0800, Smitty-A-Go-Go wrote:
> This is all very comforting. Not that I was anxiety stricken but I was
> definitley feeling a little cautious stepping into a new world. The
> distance isn't intimidating but the timed aspect has me a little
> concerned. Will ride the bike I have and report back with pics how it
> goes. 

The time aspect does add a bit of pressure, but you really don't have to
maintain a very fast overall average (just under 10 mph).  And you
absolutely positively do have to remember to get your control card
signed at the controls, and at the end you have to sign the card.  Don't
lose the card!

You need to keep in mind the things you need to accomplish at the
controls.  Take care of those things in an efficient manner and you
won't end up wasting a lot of time at the controls.  Just remember that
the clock is always ticking, and try to get some cushion built up early
so that in case you get a flat or have a mechanical you don't fall
behind and end up feeling a huge amount of pressure.

Beyond that, 100km isn't a very long distance.  It's a good opportunity
to experience the "conforming with the rules" aspect of randonneuring
(except for those related to night riding) without the additional
challenge of really longer than normal distances.  Think of it as a
"dress rehearsal".

You might find this summary of interest:
http://www.dcrand.org/dcr/randoinfo.php?page=about-randonneuring



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