Re: [RBW] Re: Ride Report: Seymour Valley, North Vancouver, BC

[Keith Paugh]

Incredible John!What amazing country to ride through.Any sense for how far you went?k.On May 16, 2025, at 8:24 PM, J J  wrote:Thanks for the write-up, John. Lovely words and images. Jim On Friday, May 16, 2025 at 9:40:46 PM UTC-4 John Rinker wrote:





Recently, I had the opportunity to visit Vancouver briefly, and after seeing the many wonderful photos Jason F. shared with us, I knew I had to bring my Hunq and try to find some of the incredible places he’d shared with us. I reached out to Jason before I left, and, though we were unable to coordinate a ride together, he graciously shared maps and information about his backyard in North Vancouver.

I left the city early enough to beat the commuter traffic across the Iron Works Bridge and found myself at the Rice Lake trailhead in no time at all. The transition from the speedy highways of the Vancouver metro area to the quiet, empty parking lot surrounded by forest and birdsong was remarkable. While I was eager to start the ride, this day was about slowly and mindfully moving through what promised to be a unique and delightful environment, so I carefully unloaded and readied my bike, all the while trying to recognize the many birds celebrating in song. 

My ride began with a pedal up the Seymour Valley trail, a paved bike path which immediately offered up a short, tantalizing side track through the lush forest for a taste of what was later to come. Ferns bursting through loamy soil skirted the trees while mosses softened the trailside boulders as the short section of single track wound its way back to pavement. Back on the paved trail, I rode through the mixed forest of hemlock and cedar, filtering the rays of the early morning sun. About 4km in, a single road bike zipped past me and disappeared around the bend, leaving me alone again to enjoy the whisper of a slight breeze through the conifers.

Jason encouraged me to watch for the mid-valley trails, which took me off pavement, down twisty single track,k and around a marshy area along the Seymour River. Here I took my first photo of the day. So enamoured with the crisp beauty of the forest, it hadn’t occurred to me to capture a photo until this tight ribbon of trail and moss-covered trees snapped me out of my reverie. I struggle at times with the idea of interrupting moments on a ride or elsewhere to stop, pull out my camera/phone, and compose a picture. (To flow or not to flow?) At other times, the very act of stopping to do so encourages me to focus on the macro environments through which I move. As I stood in the trail composing a shot, the Seymour River burbled and hummed while the Yellow Warblers and Song Sparrows answered back. 

A climb back through the forest put me once again on the Seymour Valley pavement where I shared the path with a few more road bikers, but when I reached Stoney Creek and turned off to the Old Growth Trail, I rode in quiet solitude for most of the ride. Jason mentioned that the Old Growth was the centrepiece of the Seymour Valley ride, and this was no exaggeration. Here I found many of the stunning backdrops Jason has used to showcase his beautiful Bombadil. Massive Sitka Spruce and Western Red Cedar in forests of fern and beds of moss. There were moss-laden Vine Maples whose Spring leaves shaded creeks and ponds. I even spotted a hooded Merganser and its mate quietly paddling about in the Junior Creek wetlands. I was so enthralled with the Spuce Loop, where the biggest trees stood, that I had to see just how slowly I could ride it a second time. 

The Old Growth Trail ends at the Seymour Fish Hatchery, where one can enter and take a self-guided tour. The fishery breeds four kinds of salmon- chinook, coho, chum, and pink- and steelhead trout. Each year, they release in the vicinity of three-quarters of a million smolt back into the wild. Would that we one day see the salmon runs as they once were! 

A brief pedal from the hatchery to Bear Island and across the Seymour River brought me to Spur 4 trail, and I headed back down the valley. Spur 4 is a rollicking gravel road that shoots one along the east side of the Seymour back towards the mid-valley loops. After a brief jaunt to Lost Lake, I crossed back over the river and ended up on the Fisherman’s Trail. This was the home stretch along the Seymour, a fun, zippy downhill that leads to the Seymour suspension bridge. Here I began to get a sense of just how popular this trail is as I now shared the trail with bikers, hikers, and dogs. A pumpy little climb closed the loop and brought me back to the now-full parking lot. Even mid-week, this beautiful valley draws scads of forest lovers from the Vancouver metroplex. It’s the right reason to cancel a day of what the city demands and escape to what the forest offers.

I am fortunate enough to live in the mountains, far away from anything that smacks of urban, and I’m surrounded by beautiful, interior rainforest. But out here in the interior of BC, we don’t often see trees this size 

Re: [RBW] Re: Ride Report - Angel Island Overnight

[Keith P.]

Thanks all.

*Brendon* - Yeah, 5 "parts" is a little silly 😉. 
I need to figure out how to get google groups to accept longer (but 
smaller) posts.
It is indeed East Bay Site #1.

*Armand - *First, a hearty congratulations regardless of how far around the 
corner the family might be! That is exciting stuff!
We drove up from Los Angeles, and then took the local train from the south 
bay to the city.

k.
On Wednesday, May 14, 2025 at 8:04:48 AM UTC-7 kiziria...@gmail.com wrote:

> Keith! This is epic. I couldn't understand if you guys took the train from 
> LA, or were you already in the bay? So inspirational as I am around the 
> corner from starting my own family!
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Ride Report - Angel Island Overnight

[Armand Kizirian]

Keith! This is epic. I couldn't understand if you guys took the train from 
LA, or were you already in the bay? So inspirational as I am around the 
corner from starting my own family!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Ride Report - Angel Island Overnight

[Danny]

Great write-up and photos Keith, thanks for sharing!!

-Danny

On Tue, May 13, 2025 at 10:21 AM Brendan Willard in SF 
wrote:

> Very thorough!  Love it!   Is that East Bay Site #1?
>
> Brendan in SF
>
> On Monday, May 12, 2025 at 7:13:58 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Proper trip.  Well done.  I'm sad that the World's Greatest Climbing Tree
>> is choked in poison oak, but it's a great trip anyway.
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Monday, May 5, 2025 at 6:33:01 PM UTC-7 Keith P. wrote:
>>
>>> *Part 3*
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_7435.jpg]
>>>
>>>
>>> Once on the island, it is a steep little climb out of the harbor to the
>>> perimeter road. I may have underestimated and under-billed the amount of
>>> climbing from the cove to our campsite. We’re only talking a few hundred
>>> feet of elevation gain, but I deserved what few complaints were given.
>>>
>>> I feel I atoned plenty however, as I ended up wearing several other
>>> people’s backpacks.
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_7480.jpg]
>>>
>>>
>>> This is Campsite #1, as recommended by Bill Lindsay on another thread.
>>>
>>> Bill, I think we found your climbing tree (just to the left of this
>>> photo?). It was completely choked with poison oak this year. An itchy
>>> temptation to have so close.
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_7445.jpg]
>>>
>>> The view is outstanding however. Especially at night, as all the lights
>>> of the east bay sparkle across the water at you.
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_7461.jpg]
>>>
>>> This feels like a very RBW photo to me for a number of reasons.
>>>
>>> Finally got to test my Trangia out in the wild.
>>> Stephen’s Mint Truffle Hot Chocolate is the only hot chocolate.
>>> If you feel strongly otherwise… I will gladly try your other hot
>>> chocolate suggestions.
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_7499.jpg]
>>> The mist rolled in thick in the night, and turned into an unexpected
>>> light rain toward morning.
>>>
>>> Three of us were in a tent, and two outside.
>>>
>>> Luckily, we bunked under a Quercus Agrifolia.
>>> Its umbrella kept us from getting too wet, and listening to the falling
>>> drops while half asleep was quite lovely.
>>>
>>> On Monday, May 5, 2025 at 6:29:05 PM UTC-7 Keith P. wrote:
>>>
 *Part 2*

 [image: IMG_7350.jpg]


 People don’t talk about the trick it can be to transport bikes with
 wider bars of unique shapes. You need to have your Allen wrench ready to
 move seats and grips out of each other's way.

 I was glad we decided to bypass the van on this leg, in favor of taking
 Caltrain to San Francisco and then the Ferry to the island.

 A real “transportation trip.”

 [image: Family Blacked out small.jpg]

 We assembled at a relaxed 8:30am - backpacks ready to head up to the
 city.


 [image: IMG_7394.jpg]


 We rode a leisurely two miles to the station, getting there early
 enough to catch an express I hadn’t scheduled for. This most likely made
 for a more crowded bike car than it otherwise would have been, but I love
 seeing how many people commute with their bikes every day.

 [image: Stadium Black out small.jpg]


 3 more miles from the Caltrains station to the Ferry building. Nice
 designated bike paths most of the way, and an always welcome opportunity to
 roll on the holy grounds of Pac Bell Park.

  [image: IMG_7421.jpg]

 The Ferry is half the fun.
 It's got to be the cheapest "Bay Tour" ticket around. You see all of
 San Francisco, Alcatraz, the Golden Gate, and Sausalito from the water.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Ride Report - Angel Island Overnight

[Eric Marth]

Keith — Great report, photos and trip! Looks like a blast

On Monday, May 12, 2025 at 1:38:11 PM UTC-4 dwain...@gmail.com wrote:

> Great photos, very impressive getting everyone to go :)
>
> On Tuesday, May 6, 2025 at 2:13:39 PM UTC-7 Keith P. wrote:
>
>> Thanks everyone!
>>
>> *Chef* - Great shot. We should turn this conversation into a "post your 
>> Angel Island photos" thread.
>>
>> *Arvi & Toshi* - I booked about 5 months in advance mainly because I was 
>> angling for specific campsites. I get the impression that if you don't need 
>> to go over a weekend you could snag reservations with *much* less lead 
>> time. Even last minute.
>>
>> *Jason* - What's the name of the island?
>>
>> k.
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 6, 2025 at 12:44:16 PM UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> Great writeup and love the driveside photos of the fleet. Good looking 
>>> bikes! We have a similar sized, and also car-free, island up here in 
>>> southwestern BC and it's such a treat to camp there. 
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Ride Report - Angel Island Overnight

[Dwain Weary]

Great photos, very impressive getting everyone to go :)

On Tuesday, May 6, 2025 at 2:13:39 PM UTC-7 Keith P. wrote:

> Thanks everyone!
>
> *Chef* - Great shot. We should turn this conversation into a "post your 
> Angel Island photos" thread.
>
> *Arvi & Toshi* - I booked about 5 months in advance mainly because I was 
> angling for specific campsites. I get the impression that if you don't need 
> to go over a weekend you could snag reservations with *much* less lead 
> time. Even last minute.
>
> *Jason* - What's the name of the island?
>
> k.
>
> On Tuesday, May 6, 2025 at 12:44:16 PM UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> Great writeup and love the driveside photos of the fleet. Good looking 
>> bikes! We have a similar sized, and also car-free, island up here in 
>> southwestern BC and it's such a treat to camp there. 
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Ride Report - Angel Island Overnight

[Keith P.]

Thanks everyone!

*Chef* - Great shot. We should turn this conversation into a "post your 
Angel Island photos" thread.

*Arvi & Toshi* - I booked about 5 months in advance mainly because I was 
angling for specific campsites. I get the impression that if you don't need 
to go over a weekend you could snag reservations with *much* less lead 
time. Even last minute.

*Jason* - What's the name of the island?

k.

On Tuesday, May 6, 2025 at 12:44:16 PM UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Great writeup and love the driveside photos of the fleet. Good looking 
> bikes! We have a similar sized, and also car-free, island up here in 
> southwestern BC and it's such a treat to camp there. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Ride Report - Angel Island Overnight

[Jason Fuller]

Great writeup and love the driveside photos of the fleet. Good looking 
bikes! We have a similar sized, and also car-free, island up here in 
southwestern BC and it's such a treat to camp there. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Ride Report - Angel Island Overnight

[Jim Willis]

Loved this, thank you. Reminds me of all the family cycling trips we did 
when our kids were younger. Always challenging for a variety of reasons but 
I love that we did them. Thanks.

On Tuesday, May 6, 2025 at 3:04:25 PM UTC-4 ttoshi wrote:

> Thanks for the great writeup and pictures! That's a fun adventure that I'd 
> also like to try with my family at some point. How much in advance do you 
> need to reserve the campground? 
>
> Thanks,
> Toshi
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Ride Report - Angel Island Overnight

[Toshi Takeuchi]

Thanks for the great writeup and pictures! That's a fun adventure that I'd
also like to try with my family at some point. How much in advance do you
need to reserve the campground?

Thanks,
Toshi

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Re: [RBW] Re: Ride Report: The Willard Bay 200k

[John Bokman]

Whatever Roadini you're riding is FAST! I want one! However, I suspect 
there may be something to do with the motorCongrats.

On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 12:17:13 PM UTC-7 Brady Smith wrote:

> Hi John, 
>
> I think this is a 2020 Roadini, so the answer is probably first gen.  I 
> bought the frame off this list. In theory it clears a 38mm tire; the 
> biggest I've tried is 35mm. I had 32mm Continental Grand Prix 4 Seasons on 
> it for this ride, which seems to be the sweet spot for most riding I do on 
> this bike.
>
> I normally use a Black Mountain Cycles monster cross for randonneuring and 
> keep the Roadini stripped down for weekend road adventures, but the 
> weather/conditions were such that I didn't need to worry about layers or 
> supplies or lighting on this ride, so the Roadini got the call. Great bike. 
>
> BMS
>
> On Wed, Apr 24, 2024 at 1:12 PM John Bokman  wrote:
>
>> Is this a first gen, or later roadini?  Curious: on what tires did you 
>> ride this event? Any pictures?
>>
>> John
>> Portland, OR
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 10:01:38 AM UTC-7 Brady Smith wrote:
>>
>>> I'd been looking forward to this ride for a long time. 
>>>
>>> I turned 40 in the fall, not long after my dad was diagnosed with 
>>> leukemia. He knew he was sick when he started the first day of RAGBRAI last 
>>> summer and found the first 40 hot and hilly miles of an 80 mile day 
>>> unbearably, miserably difficult. 
>>>
>>> He's fine now, at least for now, having made amazingly quick and 
>>> complication free work of chemotherapy and a bone marrow transplant, 
>>> facilitated by the extraordinary generosity of a college student whom I owe 
>>> a case of beer and then some when we're allowed to know who he is, and the 
>>> skill of the oncologists and transplant team at the University of Colorado. 
>>>
>>> Needless to say, this illness provoked a fair amount of reflection and 
>>> no small amount of urgency when it comes to cycling, especially since 
>>> cycling has been so central to our relationship, and since the appearance 
>>> of the leukemia on a week-long cycling event made it abundantly clear just 
>>> how quickly one can go from able to not-so-able. 
>>>
>>> I've been a randonneur for a while, having gotten into it during my days 
>>> commuting from Fort Lee, NJ into NYC. Until last year, I'd only ever 
>>> managed 200ks, largely due to family and work obligations. I've always 
>>> loved the sport, and wanted to do more, but it was also incredibly easy for 
>>> things to get in the way, especially given how limited our brevet calendar 
>>> is where I live now in Utah, and how busy one gets as an educator in the 
>>> spring. 
>>>
>>> This fall, though, I put my name in the lottery for 
>>> London-Edinburgh-London 2025, and I got in. I've never been a slow rider, 
>>> but I've never been particularly fast either. My 300k last year was 15 
>>> hours; I managed 400k in 21 hours, and that with a few flats and a sidewall 
>>> cut and some patching of tubes at a Wendy's while eating a cheeseburger in 
>>> the hopes of not having to do it again in the mountains in the dark. 
>>>
>>> I could probably manage LEL after a summer of randonneuring, but at 300k 
>>> a day for five days is imposing no matter what one has done before. I set a 
>>> goal to get faster--to lose some weight and finally be able to ride with 
>>> the PBP finishers who always blasted off at the start of our brevets, never 
>>> to be seen again. I doubled down on weekend nordic skiing this winter and 
>>> bought a Zwift hub, upon which I mount my Roadini, which is transformed, 
>>> somewhat irritatinglly, into an S-Works Tarmac in the app. Tired of running 
>>> alone in the dark and the cold before work, I started riding most mornings, 
>>> sometimes doing group rides, sometimes racing, sometimes just plugging 
>>> along next to a pacer bot. 
>>>
>>> It's boring but effective. I could tell on my first mountain bike rides 
>>> this spring that I was stronger. I was climbing hills in higher gears than 
>>> I ever had before. I set a new personal best up Emigration Canyon a few 
>>> weeks ago. But a 200k is not a short weekend ride, and my one opportunity 
>>> to go long ahead of this event was a mixed bag, though in hindsight that 
>>> was probably entirely due to having spent a few days prior couch surfing in 
>>> a friends' apartment in NYC. 
>>>
>>> When we pulled out of the Centerville Walmart and headed north along a 
>>> mostly flat course to the tiny town of Corinne, Utah and back again, my 
>>> plan was "Hold on as long as you can, but no longer." 
>>>
>>> It was a beautiful day, with a high of around 70 degrees, and a slight 
>>> headwind as we moved north, which meant that we would largely have the wind 
>>> at our backs as we came home. I stayed with the lead group, mostly much 
>>> more seasoned riders than me, up through the first control, thinking that 
>>> I'd drop back after we headed out to make sure I didn't blow up lat

Re: [RBW] Re: Ride Report: The Willard Bay 200k

[Brady Smith]

Thanks, Bill.

I'm aware of my relative youth. Two years ago, I spent the first 20 miles
of our 300k listening to everyone else talk about how they got into
randonneuring because their kids were grown and they just didn't need to be
around that much anymore.

It explained why it seemed like a good idea to someone to schedule that
ride the day before Mother's Day.

I was sick at the start and we had a dust storm that fouled the air for a
few hours, so upon realizing that I was going to take 18 hours to finish
that very hilly route, I took the DNF and got home in time to put my
daughter to sleep.

BMS

On Wed, Apr 24, 2024 at 11:46 AM Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> "I turned 40 in the fall"
>
> Just a baby in the Rando-community.  You've got a good 35 year career
> ahead of you.  ;-).
> 7:36 is BLAZING, even with a speedy-group.  Tremendous work.
>
> Best wishes to your father.
> 466 days to L-E-L!
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
> #6551
> On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 10:01:38 AM UTC-7 Brady Smith wrote:
>
>> I'd been looking forward to this ride for a long time.
>>
>> I turned 40 in the fall, not long after my dad was diagnosed with
>> leukemia. He knew he was sick when he started the first day of RAGBRAI last
>> summer and found the first 40 hot and hilly miles of an 80 mile day
>> unbearably, miserably difficult.
>>
>> He's fine now, at least for now, having made amazingly quick and
>> complication free work of chemotherapy and a bone marrow transplant,
>> facilitated by the extraordinary generosity of a college student whom I owe
>> a case of beer and then some when we're allowed to know who he is, and the
>> skill of the oncologists and transplant team at the University of Colorado.
>>
>> Needless to say, this illness provoked a fair amount of reflection and no
>> small amount of urgency when it comes to cycling, especially since cycling
>> has been so central to our relationship, and since the appearance of the
>> leukemia on a week-long cycling event made it abundantly clear just how
>> quickly one can go from able to not-so-able.
>>
>> I've been a randonneur for a while, having gotten into it during my days
>> commuting from Fort Lee, NJ into NYC. Until last year, I'd only ever
>> managed 200ks, largely due to family and work obligations. I've always
>> loved the sport, and wanted to do more, but it was also incredibly easy for
>> things to get in the way, especially given how limited our brevet calendar
>> is where I live now in Utah, and how busy one gets as an educator in the
>> spring.
>>
>> This fall, though, I put my name in the lottery for
>> London-Edinburgh-London 2025, and I got in. I've never been a slow rider,
>> but I've never been particularly fast either. My 300k last year was 15
>> hours; I managed 400k in 21 hours, and that with a few flats and a sidewall
>> cut and some patching of tubes at a Wendy's while eating a cheeseburger in
>> the hopes of not having to do it again in the mountains in the dark.
>>
>> I could probably manage LEL after a summer of randonneuring, but at 300k
>> a day for five days is imposing no matter what one has done before. I set a
>> goal to get faster--to lose some weight and finally be able to ride with
>> the PBP finishers who always blasted off at the start of our brevets, never
>> to be seen again. I doubled down on weekend nordic skiing this winter and
>> bought a Zwift hub, upon which I mount my Roadini, which is transformed,
>> somewhat irritatinglly, into an S-Works Tarmac in the app. Tired of running
>> alone in the dark and the cold before work, I started riding most mornings,
>> sometimes doing group rides, sometimes racing, sometimes just plugging
>> along next to a pacer bot.
>>
>> It's boring but effective. I could tell on my first mountain bike rides
>> this spring that I was stronger. I was climbing hills in higher gears than
>> I ever had before. I set a new personal best up Emigration Canyon a few
>> weeks ago. But a 200k is not a short weekend ride, and my one opportunity
>> to go long ahead of this event was a mixed bag, though in hindsight that
>> was probably entirely due to having spent a few days prior couch surfing in
>> a friends' apartment in NYC.
>>
>> When we pulled out of the Centerville Walmart and headed north along a
>> mostly flat course to the tiny town of Corinne, Utah and back again, my
>> plan was "Hold on as long as you can, but no longer."
>>
>> It was a beautiful day, with a high of around 70 degrees, and a slight
>> headwind as we moved north, which meant that we would largely have the wind
>> at our backs as we came home. I stayed with the lead group, mostly much
>> more seasoned riders than me, up through the first control, thinking that
>> I'd drop back after we headed out to make sure I didn't blow up later in
>> the ride.
>>
>> When push came to shove, though, I kept on going. The second quarter of
>> the ride was hilly and windy, and I started to feel a bit queasy as I
>> worked through a big section of rollers

Re: [RBW] Re: Ride Report: The Willard Bay 200k

[Brady Smith]

Hi John,

I think this is a 2020 Roadini, so the answer is probably first gen.  I
bought the frame off this list. In theory it clears a 38mm tire; the
biggest I've tried is 35mm. I had 32mm Continental Grand Prix 4 Seasons on
it for this ride, which seems to be the sweet spot for most riding I do on
this bike.

I normally use a Black Mountain Cycles monster cross for randonneuring and
keep the Roadini stripped down for weekend road adventures, but the
weather/conditions were such that I didn't need to worry about layers or
supplies or lighting on this ride, so the Roadini got the call. Great bike.

BMS

On Wed, Apr 24, 2024 at 1:12 PM John Bokman  wrote:

> Is this a first gen, or later roadini?  Curious: on what tires did you
> ride this event? Any pictures?
>
> John
> Portland, OR
>
> On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 10:01:38 AM UTC-7 Brady Smith wrote:
>
>> I'd been looking forward to this ride for a long time.
>>
>> I turned 40 in the fall, not long after my dad was diagnosed with
>> leukemia. He knew he was sick when he started the first day of RAGBRAI last
>> summer and found the first 40 hot and hilly miles of an 80 mile day
>> unbearably, miserably difficult.
>>
>> He's fine now, at least for now, having made amazingly quick and
>> complication free work of chemotherapy and a bone marrow transplant,
>> facilitated by the extraordinary generosity of a college student whom I owe
>> a case of beer and then some when we're allowed to know who he is, and the
>> skill of the oncologists and transplant team at the University of Colorado.
>>
>> Needless to say, this illness provoked a fair amount of reflection and no
>> small amount of urgency when it comes to cycling, especially since cycling
>> has been so central to our relationship, and since the appearance of the
>> leukemia on a week-long cycling event made it abundantly clear just how
>> quickly one can go from able to not-so-able.
>>
>> I've been a randonneur for a while, having gotten into it during my days
>> commuting from Fort Lee, NJ into NYC. Until last year, I'd only ever
>> managed 200ks, largely due to family and work obligations. I've always
>> loved the sport, and wanted to do more, but it was also incredibly easy for
>> things to get in the way, especially given how limited our brevet calendar
>> is where I live now in Utah, and how busy one gets as an educator in the
>> spring.
>>
>> This fall, though, I put my name in the lottery for
>> London-Edinburgh-London 2025, and I got in. I've never been a slow rider,
>> but I've never been particularly fast either. My 300k last year was 15
>> hours; I managed 400k in 21 hours, and that with a few flats and a sidewall
>> cut and some patching of tubes at a Wendy's while eating a cheeseburger in
>> the hopes of not having to do it again in the mountains in the dark.
>>
>> I could probably manage LEL after a summer of randonneuring, but at 300k
>> a day for five days is imposing no matter what one has done before. I set a
>> goal to get faster--to lose some weight and finally be able to ride with
>> the PBP finishers who always blasted off at the start of our brevets, never
>> to be seen again. I doubled down on weekend nordic skiing this winter and
>> bought a Zwift hub, upon which I mount my Roadini, which is transformed,
>> somewhat irritatinglly, into an S-Works Tarmac in the app. Tired of running
>> alone in the dark and the cold before work, I started riding most mornings,
>> sometimes doing group rides, sometimes racing, sometimes just plugging
>> along next to a pacer bot.
>>
>> It's boring but effective. I could tell on my first mountain bike rides
>> this spring that I was stronger. I was climbing hills in higher gears than
>> I ever had before. I set a new personal best up Emigration Canyon a few
>> weeks ago. But a 200k is not a short weekend ride, and my one opportunity
>> to go long ahead of this event was a mixed bag, though in hindsight that
>> was probably entirely due to having spent a few days prior couch surfing in
>> a friends' apartment in NYC.
>>
>> When we pulled out of the Centerville Walmart and headed north along a
>> mostly flat course to the tiny town of Corinne, Utah and back again, my
>> plan was "Hold on as long as you can, but no longer."
>>
>> It was a beautiful day, with a high of around 70 degrees, and a slight
>> headwind as we moved north, which meant that we would largely have the wind
>> at our backs as we came home. I stayed with the lead group, mostly much
>> more seasoned riders than me, up through the first control, thinking that
>> I'd drop back after we headed out to make sure I didn't blow up later in
>> the ride.
>>
>> When push came to shove, though, I kept on going. The second quarter of
>> the ride was hilly and windy, and I started to feel a bit queasy as I
>> worked through a big section of rollers that led up to lunch.
>>
>> At lunch, I mentally resolved to drop back and save myself the misery
>> that I figured was out ahead, but after eating 

Re: [RBW] Re: Ride Report - Santa Monica to Santa Barbara Century

[Ben Adrian]

Great post, and great ride. I've done Glendale to Santa Barbara (taking 
Amtrak back). It was quite a day.

On Friday, February 2, 2024 at 9:59:01 AM UTC-8 Chris Halasz wrote:

> Keith 
>
> Did you return the same day? 
>
> There is a small contingent of Rivbike cyclists in Santa Barbara. 
>
> May have to organize a ride someday so folks can experience a Mountain 
> Drive ride. 
>
> - Chris 
>
> On Friday, February 2, 2024 at 6:42:18 AM UTC-8 SallyG wrote:
>
>> Wonderful story! Love your writing:)
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 2, 2024 at 6:04 AM ian m  wrote:
>>
>>> Lovely looking ride. Many years ago I lived in Ventura and commuted to 
>>> SB, I still regularly think about how beautiful that stretch of the 101 was.
>>>
>>> On Friday, February 2, 2024 at 1:05:50 AM UTC-5 kiziria...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Congrats! Love seeing people knocking out centuries with swept back 
 bars. Looking forward to seeing what I can do on my Platypus (almost done 
 building!). There is the LA Rivendell ride planned on the 17th, come by! 

 Armand
 Also in Santa Monica

 On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 9:30:41 PM UTC-8 Keith P. wrote:

> Part 2:
>
> 50 miles turned into 60, and 60 inched toward 70, and I knew if I got 
> to 80 I'd be too close to 100 to stop.
>
>
> It was hoot. I felt good. Tired but not exhausted. Sore, but with none 
> of the chaffing and agony I thought I might expect.
>
> More a matter of not stopping than pushing through a wall.
>
>
> [image: IMG_3390.jpg]
>
> I was also surprised by how much of the distance was covered on 
> dedicated bike paths along the way. They were numerous and well isolated 
> for long stretches, and when they were non existent, they were most often 
> connected by a frontage road.
>
> I ate some bugs. I ate some almond croissants.
>
> The coast gave way to foothills just before dropping down into Santa 
> Barbara, and just as the mini van pulled up behind me. I sent them on 
> ahead 
> to meet up with me after the last 8 miles of the ride.
>
> [image: IMG_3364.jpg]
>
> [image: IMG_3393.jpg]
>
> (That's 103 not 3)
>
> [image: IMG_3408.jpg]
>
> Here I am, proud of myself. I don't think I expected to go the full 
> distance really.
>
> Always feels good to accomplish something new.
>
>
> [image: IMG_3435.GIF]
>
> The cheering crowds were of course overwhelming.
>
>
> No flats or slow leaks on the Snoqualmie Passes.
>
> The Hillborne preformed like the absolute champ we know it to be.
>
> I have insoles in my vans, but could feel how a stiffer soled shoe 
> would help on long trips like this one.
>
>
> Overall a fantastic Southern California ride.
>
>
> Keith Paugh
>
> Los Angeles, CA
> On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 9:26:56 PM UTC-8 Keith P. wrote:
>
>> 1.27.24
>>
>> Perhaps excepting an invitation to a Century ride was overly 
>> optimistic. I haven’t ridden more than 35 miles at once in recent memory 
>> - 
>> Maybe the proposition should have given me pause, but a foolhardy 
>> challenge 
>> is just what we need to feel slightly nervous about from time to time.
>>
>> The plan was to ride from our homes here in Los Angeles to Santa 
>> Barbara on a route exactly 100 miles away. A “Pier to Pier” ride, from 
>> the 
>> Santa Monica Ferris Wheel to Stearns Wharf on the other end.
>>
>> Hugging the coast, we would follow a “mostly” flat course, with about 
>> 2,900 ft of elevation gain over the entire distance. 
>>
>> Not without any climbing, but predominantly gradual climbing, of 
>> short, and rolling hills along the Pacific Coast Highway.
>>
>> It was fun to think about what food to bring for an average of 200 - 
>> 300 calories per hour of riding. 
>>
>> I tried out Tailwind, a hydration drink mix "with electrolytes and 
>> calories."
>>
>> I had two bottles, one with water, and one with Tailwind in them at 
>> any given time. I definitely think it helped to mix “drinking” calories 
>> as 
>> well as eating them.
>>
>> Laying everything out the night before my kids were impressed with 
>> the proposed undertaking. I had to manage expectations and tell them my 
>> goal was reaching half the distance.
>>
>> The group met at 4:45 in the morning so we could be on the road by 
>> 5:00. Most of my cycling friends are younger, more frequent and thus 
>> stronger riders than I am, and several announced they were now planning 
>> to 
>> not only ride the 100 miles to Santa Barbara, but now also ride 
>> back. They laid out a brisk pace with brief stops to get them to the 
>> finish 
>> with ample time for their return trip.
>>
>> [image: IMG

Re: [RBW] Re: Ride Report - Santa Monica to Santa Barbara Century

[Chris Halasz]

Keith 

Did you return the same day? 

There is a small contingent of Rivbike cyclists in Santa Barbara. 

May have to organize a ride someday so folks can experience a Mountain 
Drive ride. 

- Chris 

On Friday, February 2, 2024 at 6:42:18 AM UTC-8 SallyG wrote:

> Wonderful story! Love your writing:)
>
> On Fri, Feb 2, 2024 at 6:04 AM ian m  wrote:
>
>> Lovely looking ride. Many years ago I lived in Ventura and commuted to 
>> SB, I still regularly think about how beautiful that stretch of the 101 was.
>>
>> On Friday, February 2, 2024 at 1:05:50 AM UTC-5 kiziria...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Congrats! Love seeing people knocking out centuries with swept back 
>>> bars. Looking forward to seeing what I can do on my Platypus (almost done 
>>> building!). There is the LA Rivendell ride planned on the 17th, come by! 
>>>
>>> Armand
>>> Also in Santa Monica
>>>
>>> On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 9:30:41 PM UTC-8 Keith P. wrote:
>>>
 Part 2:

 50 miles turned into 60, and 60 inched toward 70, and I knew if I got 
 to 80 I'd be too close to 100 to stop.


 It was hoot. I felt good. Tired but not exhausted. Sore, but with none 
 of the chaffing and agony I thought I might expect.

 More a matter of not stopping than pushing through a wall.


 [image: IMG_3390.jpg]

 I was also surprised by how much of the distance was covered on 
 dedicated bike paths along the way. They were numerous and well isolated 
 for long stretches, and when they were non existent, they were most often 
 connected by a frontage road.

 I ate some bugs. I ate some almond croissants.

 The coast gave way to foothills just before dropping down into Santa 
 Barbara, and just as the mini van pulled up behind me. I sent them on 
 ahead 
 to meet up with me after the last 8 miles of the ride.

 [image: IMG_3364.jpg]

 [image: IMG_3393.jpg]

 (That's 103 not 3)

 [image: IMG_3408.jpg]

 Here I am, proud of myself. I don't think I expected to go the full 
 distance really.

 Always feels good to accomplish something new.


 [image: IMG_3435.GIF]

 The cheering crowds were of course overwhelming.


 No flats or slow leaks on the Snoqualmie Passes.

 The Hillborne preformed like the absolute champ we know it to be.

 I have insoles in my vans, but could feel how a stiffer soled shoe 
 would help on long trips like this one.


 Overall a fantastic Southern California ride.


 Keith Paugh

 Los Angeles, CA
 On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 9:26:56 PM UTC-8 Keith P. wrote:

> 1.27.24
>
> Perhaps excepting an invitation to a Century ride was overly 
> optimistic. I haven’t ridden more than 35 miles at once in recent memory 
> - 
> Maybe the proposition should have given me pause, but a foolhardy 
> challenge 
> is just what we need to feel slightly nervous about from time to time.
>
> The plan was to ride from our homes here in Los Angeles to Santa 
> Barbara on a route exactly 100 miles away. A “Pier to Pier” ride, from 
> the 
> Santa Monica Ferris Wheel to Stearns Wharf on the other end.
>
> Hugging the coast, we would follow a “mostly” flat course, with about 
> 2,900 ft of elevation gain over the entire distance. 
>
> Not without any climbing, but predominantly gradual climbing, of 
> short, and rolling hills along the Pacific Coast Highway.
>
> It was fun to think about what food to bring for an average of 200 - 
> 300 calories per hour of riding. 
>
> I tried out Tailwind, a hydration drink mix "with electrolytes and 
> calories."
>
> I had two bottles, one with water, and one with Tailwind in them at 
> any given time. I definitely think it helped to mix “drinking” calories 
> as 
> well as eating them.
>
> Laying everything out the night before my kids were impressed with the 
> proposed undertaking. I had to manage expectations and tell them my goal 
> was reaching half the distance.
>
> The group met at 4:45 in the morning so we could be on the road by 
> 5:00. Most of my cycling friends are younger, more frequent and thus 
> stronger riders than I am, and several announced they were now planning 
> to 
> not only ride the 100 miles to Santa Barbara, but now also ride back. 
> They laid out a brisk pace with brief stops to get them to the finish 
> with 
> ample time for their return trip.
>
> [image: IMG_3372.jpg]
>
> Riding early by bike light is always a treat. Devoid of its usual 
> measure of traffic, Los Angeles is a different town in the dark, and your 
> required level of city-riding spatial vigilance can relax to a pleasant 
> degree. 
>
> It was cool out but not cold, and I took off 

Re: [RBW] Re: Ride Report - Santa Monica to Santa Barbara Century

[Sally Bidleman]

Wonderful story! Love your writing:)

On Fri, Feb 2, 2024 at 6:04 AM ian m  wrote:

> Lovely looking ride. Many years ago I lived in Ventura and commuted to SB,
> I still regularly think about how beautiful that stretch of the 101 was.
>
> On Friday, February 2, 2024 at 1:05:50 AM UTC-5 kiziria...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> Congrats! Love seeing people knocking out centuries with swept back bars.
>> Looking forward to seeing what I can do on my Platypus (almost done
>> building!). There is the LA Rivendell ride planned on the 17th, come by!
>>
>> Armand
>> Also in Santa Monica
>>
>> On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 9:30:41 PM UTC-8 Keith P. wrote:
>>
>>> Part 2:
>>>
>>> 50 miles turned into 60, and 60 inched toward 70, and I knew if I got to
>>> 80 I'd be too close to 100 to stop.
>>>
>>>
>>> It was hoot. I felt good. Tired but not exhausted. Sore, but with none
>>> of the chaffing and agony I thought I might expect.
>>>
>>> More a matter of not stopping than pushing through a wall.
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_3390.jpg]
>>>
>>> I was also surprised by how much of the distance was covered on
>>> dedicated bike paths along the way. They were numerous and well isolated
>>> for long stretches, and when they were non existent, they were most often
>>> connected by a frontage road.
>>>
>>> I ate some bugs. I ate some almond croissants.
>>>
>>> The coast gave way to foothills just before dropping down into Santa
>>> Barbara, and just as the mini van pulled up behind me. I sent them on ahead
>>> to meet up with me after the last 8 miles of the ride.
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_3364.jpg]
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_3393.jpg]
>>>
>>> (That's 103 not 3)
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_3408.jpg]
>>>
>>> Here I am, proud of myself. I don't think I expected to go the full
>>> distance really.
>>>
>>> Always feels good to accomplish something new.
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_3435.GIF]
>>>
>>> The cheering crowds were of course overwhelming.
>>>
>>>
>>> No flats or slow leaks on the Snoqualmie Passes.
>>>
>>> The Hillborne preformed like the absolute champ we know it to be.
>>>
>>> I have insoles in my vans, but could feel how a stiffer soled shoe would
>>> help on long trips like this one.
>>>
>>>
>>> Overall a fantastic Southern California ride.
>>>
>>>
>>> Keith Paugh
>>>
>>> Los Angeles, CA
>>> On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 9:26:56 PM UTC-8 Keith P. wrote:
>>>
 1.27.24

 Perhaps excepting an invitation to a Century ride was overly
 optimistic. I haven’t ridden more than 35 miles at once in recent memory -
 Maybe the proposition should have given me pause, but a foolhardy challenge
 is just what we need to feel slightly nervous about from time to time.

 The plan was to ride from our homes here in Los Angeles to Santa
 Barbara on a route exactly 100 miles away. A “Pier to Pier” ride, from the
 Santa Monica Ferris Wheel to Stearns Wharf on the other end.

 Hugging the coast, we would follow a “mostly” flat course, with about
 2,900 ft of elevation gain over the entire distance.

 Not without any climbing, but predominantly gradual climbing, of short,
 and rolling hills along the Pacific Coast Highway.

 It was fun to think about what food to bring for an average of 200 -
 300 calories per hour of riding.

 I tried out Tailwind, a hydration drink mix "with electrolytes and
 calories."

 I had two bottles, one with water, and one with Tailwind in them at any
 given time. I definitely think it helped to mix “drinking” calories as well
 as eating them.

 Laying everything out the night before my kids were impressed with the
 proposed undertaking. I had to manage expectations and tell them my goal
 was reaching half the distance.

 The group met at 4:45 in the morning so we could be on the road by
 5:00. Most of my cycling friends are younger, more frequent and thus
 stronger riders than I am, and several announced they were now planning to
 not only ride the 100 miles to Santa Barbara, but now also ride back.
 They laid out a brisk pace with brief stops to get them to the finish with
 ample time for their return trip.

 [image: IMG_3372.jpg]

 Riding early by bike light is always a treat. Devoid of its usual
 measure of traffic, Los Angeles is a different town in the dark, and your
 required level of city-riding spatial vigilance can relax to a pleasant
 degree.

 It was cool out but not cold, and I took off my riding jacket early on.

 I had hemmed and hawed about cutting the zip ties on my racing basket
 and leaving it behind... In the end, I recognized whatever loss in
 aerodynamics was going to be negligible for me, and having a place to shed
 layers and plastic bags of dry roasted peanuts was a welcome convenience.

 The stretch of PCH in Santa Monica is one of the few that doesn’t have
 an ample shoulder for bikes to stay out of the right la

Re: [RBW] Re: Ride Report - First Century on my Atlantis - and at all

[Nick A.]

 I'm loving the idea of a Riv Ride East somewhere here in the DMV, it 
sounds like an absolute treat. We would have a lot of options in regards to 
routes around here. 

On Tuesday, November 21, 2023 at 11:35:02 AM UTC-5 dpe...@gmail.com wrote:

> Id be interested too. From western NC
>
> On Monday, November 20, 2023 at 1:16:11 PM UTC-5 ryan.o...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I’d be interested. (In NYC.) Whether I can pull it off would depend on a 
>> bunch of factors. But would definitely prioritize. 
>> Sent from my mobile device. 
>>
>> On Nov 19, 2023, at 7:13 PM, Brian Turner  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> This all has me dreaming up a Riv owners overnighter or multi-day 
>> excursion along the C&O / W&OD. Would enough folks be interested in 
>> something like that? It’s a 7 hr drive for me to DC Metro area but I 
>> already make the trip once a year, so I have no problem doing it for a bike 
>> meetup!
>>
>> On Nov 19, 2023, at 5:04 PM, Eric Marth  wrote:
>>
>> Looks fab, Nick. I've ridden just a little bit of the W&OD out of 
>> Arlington to Mt. Vernon. I'm down the highway a piece in Fredericksburg. 
>>
>> On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 7:40:52 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Nice day for a long bike ride Nick !  The fall lighting makes for lovely 
>>> photos indeed. 
>>> On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 7:25:47 PM UTC-5 Josh C wrote:
>>>
 Nick, 

 Very fun! Nice write-up. Great look'n bike too. 

 On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 4:13:04 PM UTC-5 
 thetaper...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks again to you all for your kind responses!  
>
> Bill -- that snapper's claw wasthe size of a kid's hand. It was 
> probably about 20-22" long, and clearly the resident royalty for that 
> section of the canal.
>
> Brians -- link to the route below. We took the W&OD and cut north from 
> Leesburg on back roads to the Point of Rocks Bridge, which is very 
> traffic-laden and sketchy. There's one walkway on the northbound side 
> about 
> 30" wide and elevated 10" from the road. In hindsight, I should have 
> walked 
> it!
>
>  https://strava.app.link/rGHbmmzVPEb — Point of Rocks Loop Century
>
> Nick in FC
>
> On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 1:13:44 PM UTC-5 brok...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Yes, Nick… I would also be very interested in seeing your route. I’ve 
>> done the C&O several times, but had no idea there was a parallel rail 
>> trail 
>> across the Potomac starting at Point of Rocks, I assume? That seems like 
>> it 
>> would make a nice overnighter without having to retrace your route or 
>> get a 
>> shuttle.
>>
>> I spent a very harrowing night bike camping at one of those sites 
>> near Point of Rocks (Calico Rock, maybe?)… probably the worst storm I’ve 
>> ever been caught out in!
>>
>> Brian
>> Lexington Ky
>>
>> On Nov 18, 2023, at 11:16 AM, Brian McDermott  
>> wrote:
>>
>> Nick- What a classic NOVA ride! I grew up in Leesburg and have 
>> ridden countless miles on the W&OD ranging from skating to school on it 
>> when I was a freshman at Loudoun County High School, up until a few 
>> years 
>> ago when my folks still lived in the area. I'd be interested in seeing 
>> your 
>> route and trying it sometime; I rode the GAP/C&O last year from Pitt to 
>> DC 
>> on my Hillborne, tried it again this fall on my Appaloosa, but my knee 
>> gave 
>> out on me by the time we reached Cumberland and I had to bail. This 
>> looks 
>> like it would be fun to try in the spring. 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 6:46:39 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> I want to know more about that turtle-shaped moss-covered rock! 
>>>  That guy is a bad ass.  
>>> Excellent work 
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 12:32:14 PM UTC-8 
>>> thetaper...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 A good friend and I managed around 105 miles last weekend. It was 
 our (the Atlantis and my) first century.

 We made a long loop here in the D.C. area. 

 First out to Leesburg on the W&OD trail. It took a while for the 
 sun to peek out from behind the autumn clouds, but when it did, all 
 the 
 frost started sublimating, making it look as though we were riding 
 through 
 clouds:

 [image: 2023_091735.jpeg]
 [image: 2023_093939.jpeg]
 [image: 2023_095837.jpeg]


 Then wound our way northward to the Point Of Rocks bridge via rural 
 roads in Loudoun County, both paved and gravel of various types:

 [image: 2023_115654.jpeg]
 [image: 2023_115813.jpeg]

 And headed back to Georgetown on the C&O Canal towpath.

Re: [RBW] Re: Ride Report - First Century on my Atlantis - and at all

[Dick Perlmutter]

Id be interested too. From western NC

On Monday, November 20, 2023 at 1:16:11 PM UTC-5 ryan.o...@gmail.com wrote:

> I’d be interested. (In NYC.) Whether I can pull it off would depend on a 
> bunch of factors. But would definitely prioritize. 
> Sent from my mobile device. 
>
> On Nov 19, 2023, at 7:13 PM, Brian Turner  wrote:
>
> 
>
> This all has me dreaming up a Riv owners overnighter or multi-day 
> excursion along the C&O / W&OD. Would enough folks be interested in 
> something like that? It’s a 7 hr drive for me to DC Metro area but I 
> already make the trip once a year, so I have no problem doing it for a bike 
> meetup!
>
> On Nov 19, 2023, at 5:04 PM, Eric Marth  wrote:
>
> Looks fab, Nick. I've ridden just a little bit of the W&OD out of 
> Arlington to Mt. Vernon. I'm down the highway a piece in Fredericksburg. 
>
> On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 7:40:52 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>
>>
>> Nice day for a long bike ride Nick !  The fall lighting makes for lovely 
>> photos indeed. 
>> On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 7:25:47 PM UTC-5 Josh C wrote:
>>
>>> Nick, 
>>>
>>> Very fun! Nice write-up. Great look'n bike too. 
>>>
>>> On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 4:13:04 PM UTC-5 thetaper...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Thanks again to you all for your kind responses!  

 Bill -- that snapper's claw wasthe size of a kid's hand. It was 
 probably about 20-22" long, and clearly the resident royalty for that 
 section of the canal.

 Brians -- link to the route below. We took the W&OD and cut north from 
 Leesburg on back roads to the Point of Rocks Bridge, which is very 
 traffic-laden and sketchy. There's one walkway on the northbound side 
 about 
 30" wide and elevated 10" from the road. In hindsight, I should have 
 walked 
 it!

  https://strava.app.link/rGHbmmzVPEb — Point of Rocks Loop Century

 Nick in FC

 On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 1:13:44 PM UTC-5 brok...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Yes, Nick… I would also be very interested in seeing your route. I’ve 
> done the C&O several times, but had no idea there was a parallel rail 
> trail 
> across the Potomac starting at Point of Rocks, I assume? That seems like 
> it 
> would make a nice overnighter without having to retrace your route or get 
> a 
> shuttle.
>
> I spent a very harrowing night bike camping at one of those sites near 
> Point of Rocks (Calico Rock, maybe?)… probably the worst storm I’ve ever 
> been caught out in!
>
> Brian
> Lexington Ky
>
> On Nov 18, 2023, at 11:16 AM, Brian McDermott  
> wrote:
>
> Nick- What a classic NOVA ride! I grew up in Leesburg and have ridden 
> countless miles on the W&OD ranging from skating to school on it when I 
> was 
> a freshman at Loudoun County High School, up until a few years ago when 
> my 
> folks still lived in the area. I'd be interested in seeing your route and 
> trying it sometime; I rode the GAP/C&O last year from Pitt to DC on my 
> Hillborne, tried it again this fall on my Appaloosa, but my knee gave out 
> on me by the time we reached Cumberland and I had to bail. This looks 
> like 
> it would be fun to try in the spring. 
>
>
>
> On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 6:46:39 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> I want to know more about that turtle-shaped moss-covered rock!  That 
>> guy is a bad ass.  
>> Excellent work 
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 12:32:14 PM UTC-8 
>> thetaper...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> A good friend and I managed around 105 miles last weekend. It was 
>>> our (the Atlantis and my) first century.
>>>
>>> We made a long loop here in the D.C. area. 
>>>
>>> First out to Leesburg on the W&OD trail. It took a while for the sun 
>>> to peek out from behind the autumn clouds, but when it did, all the 
>>> frost 
>>> started sublimating, making it look as though we were riding through 
>>> clouds:
>>>
>>> [image: 2023_091735.jpeg]
>>> [image: 2023_093939.jpeg]
>>> [image: 2023_095837.jpeg]
>>>
>>>
>>> Then wound our way northward to the Point Of Rocks bridge via rural 
>>> roads in Loudoun County, both paved and gravel of various types:
>>>
>>> [image: 2023_115654.jpeg]
>>> [image: 2023_115813.jpeg]
>>>
>>> And headed back to Georgetown on the C&O Canal towpath. Then on home 
>>> after dark via the Mount Vernon trail and southern end of the W&OD.
>>>
>>> [image: 2023_140349.jpeg]
>>>
>>> We happened upon a giant old snapper sunning next to the towpath 
>>> that had an ecosystem living on its back:
>>>
>>> [image: 2023_135651.jpeg]
>>>
>>> Around mile 65, we stopped for a break at one of the boat ramps near 
>>

Re: [RBW] Re: Ride Report - First Century on my Atlantis - and at all

[Ryan Ogilvie]

I’d be interested. (In NYC.) Whether I can pull it off would depend on a bunch of factors. But would definitely prioritize. Sent from my mobile device. On Nov 19, 2023, at 7:13 PM, Brian Turner  wrote:This all has me dreaming up a Riv owners overnighter or multi-day excursion along the C&O / W&OD. Would enough folks be interested in something like that? It’s a 7 hr drive for me to DC Metro area but I already make the trip once a year, so I have no problem doing it for a bike meetup!On Nov 19, 2023, at 5:04 PM, Eric Marth  wrote:Looks fab, Nick. I've ridden just a little bit of the W&OD out of Arlington to Mt. Vernon. I'm down the highway a piece in Fredericksburg. On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 7:40:52 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:Nice day for a long bike ride Nick !  The fall lighting makes for lovely photos indeed. On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 7:25:47 PM UTC-5 Josh C wrote:Nick, Very fun! Nice write-up. Great look'n bike too. On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 4:13:04 PM UTC-5 thetaper...@gmail.com wrote:Thanks again to you all for your kind responses!  Bill -- that snapper's claw wasthe size of a kid's hand. It was probably about 20-22" long, and clearly the resident royalty for that section of the canal.Brians -- link to the route below. We took the W&OD and cut north from Leesburg on back roads to the Point of Rocks Bridge, which is very traffic-laden and sketchy. There's one walkway on the northbound side about 30" wide and elevated 10" from the road. In hindsight, I should have walked it! https://strava.app.link/rGHbmmzVPEb — Point of Rocks Loop CenturyNick in FCOn Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 1:13:44 PM UTC-5 brok...@gmail.com wrote:Yes, Nick… I would also be very interested in seeing your route. I’ve done the C&O several times, but had no idea there was a parallel rail trail across the Potomac starting at Point of Rocks, I assume? That seems like it would make a nice overnighter without having to retrace your route or get a shuttle.I spent a very harrowing night bike camping at one of those sites near Point of Rocks (Calico Rock, maybe?)… probably the worst storm I’ve ever been caught out in!BrianLexington KyOn Nov 18, 2023, at 11:16 AM, Brian McDermott  wrote:Nick- What a classic NOVA ride! I grew up in Leesburg and have ridden countless miles on the W&OD ranging from skating to school on it when I was a freshman at Loudoun County High School, up until a few years ago when my folks still lived in the area. I'd be interested in seeing your route and trying it sometime; I rode the GAP/C&O last year from Pitt to DC on my Hillborne, tried it again this fall on my Appaloosa, but my knee gave out on me by the time we reached Cumberland and I had to bail. This looks like it would be fun to try in the spring. On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 6:46:39 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:I want to know more about that turtle-shaped moss-covered rock!  That guy is a bad ass.  Excellent work Bill LindsayEl Cerrito, CAOn Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 12:32:14 PM UTC-8 thetaper...@gmail.com wrote:A good friend and I managed around 105 miles last weekend. It was our (the Atlantis and my) first century.We made a long loop here in the D.C. area. First
 out to Leesburg on the W&OD trail. It took a while for the sun to 
peek out from behind the autumn clouds, but when it did, all the frost 
started sublimating, making it look as though we were riding through 
clouds:Then wound our way northward to the Point Of Rocks bridge via rural 
roads in Loudoun County, both paved and gravel of various types:And headed back to Georgetown on the C&O 
Canal towpath. Then on home after dark via the Mount Vernon trail and southern end of the W&OD.We happened upon a giant old snapper sunning next to the towpath that had an ecosystem living on its back:Around mile 65, we stopped for a break at one of the boat ramps near a lock house, with a lovely view of the Potomac:All
 in all, it was a specacular though difficult (and, at times, cold 
and/or dark) ride. No real mechanical issues aside from a dropped chain 
here and there, for which we were both grateful. I feel that my Atlantis
 was truly in its element, traversing nearly every type of passable 
terrain with aplomb. I can't imagine having ridden anything else.Nick A.Falls Church VA



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[Brian Turner]

This all has me dreaming up a Riv owners overnighter or multi-day excursion along the C&O / W&OD. Would enough folks be interested in something like that? It’s a 7 hr drive for me to DC Metro area but I already make the trip once a year, so I have no problem doing it for a bike meetup!On Nov 19, 2023, at 5:04 PM, Eric Marth  wrote:Looks fab, Nick. I've ridden just a little bit of the W&OD out of Arlington to Mt. Vernon. I'm down the highway a piece in Fredericksburg. On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 7:40:52 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:Nice day for a long bike ride Nick !  The fall lighting makes for lovely photos indeed. On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 7:25:47 PM UTC-5 Josh C wrote:Nick, Very fun! Nice write-up. Great look'n bike too. On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 4:13:04 PM UTC-5 thetaper...@gmail.com wrote:Thanks again to you all for your kind responses!  Bill -- that snapper's claw wasthe size of a kid's hand. It was probably about 20-22" long, and clearly the resident royalty for that section of the canal.Brians -- link to the route below. We took the W&OD and cut north from Leesburg on back roads to the Point of Rocks Bridge, which is very traffic-laden and sketchy. There's one walkway on the northbound side about 30" wide and elevated 10" from the road. In hindsight, I should have walked it! https://strava.app.link/rGHbmmzVPEb — Point of Rocks Loop CenturyNick in FCOn Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 1:13:44 PM UTC-5 brok...@gmail.com wrote:Yes, Nick… I would also be very interested in seeing your route. I’ve done the C&O several times, but had no idea there was a parallel rail trail across the Potomac starting at Point of Rocks, I assume? That seems like it would make a nice overnighter without having to retrace your route or get a shuttle.I spent a very harrowing night bike camping at one of those sites near Point of Rocks (Calico Rock, maybe?)… probably the worst storm I’ve ever been caught out in!BrianLexington KyOn Nov 18, 2023, at 11:16 AM, Brian McDermott  wrote:Nick- What a classic NOVA ride! I grew up in Leesburg and have ridden countless miles on the W&OD ranging from skating to school on it when I was a freshman at Loudoun County High School, up until a few years ago when my folks still lived in the area. I'd be interested in seeing your route and trying it sometime; I rode the GAP/C&O last year from Pitt to DC on my Hillborne, tried it again this fall on my Appaloosa, but my knee gave out on me by the time we reached Cumberland and I had to bail. This looks like it would be fun to try in the spring. On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 6:46:39 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:I want to know more about that turtle-shaped moss-covered rock!  That guy is a bad ass.  Excellent work Bill LindsayEl Cerrito, CAOn Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 12:32:14 PM UTC-8 thetaper...@gmail.com wrote:A good friend and I managed around 105 miles last weekend. It was our (the Atlantis and my) first century.We made a long loop here in the D.C. area. First
 out to Leesburg on the W&OD trail. It took a while for the sun to 
peek out from behind the autumn clouds, but when it did, all the frost 
started sublimating, making it look as though we were riding through 
clouds:Then wound our way northward to the Point Of Rocks bridge via rural 
roads in Loudoun County, both paved and gravel of various types:And headed back to Georgetown on the C&O 
Canal towpath. Then on home after dark via the Mount Vernon trail and southern end of the W&OD.We happened upon a giant old snapper sunning next to the towpath that had an ecosystem living on its back:Around mile 65, we stopped for a break at one of the boat ramps near a lock house, with a lovely view of the Potomac:All
 in all, it was a specacular though difficult (and, at times, cold 
and/or dark) ride. No real mechanical issues aside from a dropped chain 
here and there, for which we were both grateful. I feel that my Atlantis
 was truly in its element, traversing nearly every type of passable 
terrain with aplomb. I can't imagine having ridden anything else.Nick A.Falls Church VA



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Re: [RBW] Re: Ride Report - First Century on my Atlantis - and at all

[Eric Marth]

Looks fab, Nick. I've ridden just a little bit of the W&OD out of Arlington 
to Mt. Vernon. I'm down the highway a piece in Fredericksburg. 

On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 7:40:52 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:

>
> Nice day for a long bike ride Nick !  The fall lighting makes for lovely 
> photos indeed. 
> On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 7:25:47 PM UTC-5 Josh C wrote:
>
>> Nick, 
>>
>> Very fun! Nice write-up. Great look'n bike too. 
>>
>> On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 4:13:04 PM UTC-5 thetaper...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks again to you all for your kind responses!  
>>>
>>> Bill -- that snapper's claw wasthe size of a kid's hand. It was probably 
>>> about 20-22" long, and clearly the resident royalty for that section of the 
>>> canal.
>>>
>>> Brians -- link to the route below. We took the W&OD and cut north from 
>>> Leesburg on back roads to the Point of Rocks Bridge, which is very 
>>> traffic-laden and sketchy. There's one walkway on the northbound side about 
>>> 30" wide and elevated 10" from the road. In hindsight, I should have walked 
>>> it!
>>>
>>>  https://strava.app.link/rGHbmmzVPEb — Point of Rocks Loop Century
>>>
>>> Nick in FC
>>>
>>> On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 1:13:44 PM UTC-5 brok...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Yes, Nick… I would also be very interested in seeing your route. I’ve 
 done the C&O several times, but had no idea there was a parallel rail 
 trail 
 across the Potomac starting at Point of Rocks, I assume? That seems like 
 it 
 would make a nice overnighter without having to retrace your route or get 
 a 
 shuttle.

 I spent a very harrowing night bike camping at one of those sites near 
 Point of Rocks (Calico Rock, maybe?)… probably the worst storm I’ve ever 
 been caught out in!

 Brian
 Lexington Ky

 On Nov 18, 2023, at 11:16 AM, Brian McDermott  
 wrote:

 Nick- What a classic NOVA ride! I grew up in Leesburg and have ridden 
 countless miles on the W&OD ranging from skating to school on it when I 
 was 
 a freshman at Loudoun County High School, up until a few years ago when my 
 folks still lived in the area. I'd be interested in seeing your route and 
 trying it sometime; I rode the GAP/C&O last year from Pitt to DC on my 
 Hillborne, tried it again this fall on my Appaloosa, but my knee gave out 
 on me by the time we reached Cumberland and I had to bail. This looks like 
 it would be fun to try in the spring. 



 On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 6:46:39 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I want to know more about that turtle-shaped moss-covered rock!  That 
> guy is a bad ass.  
> Excellent work 
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 12:32:14 PM UTC-8 
> thetaper...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> A good friend and I managed around 105 miles last weekend. It was our 
>> (the Atlantis and my) first century.
>>
>> We made a long loop here in the D.C. area. 
>>
>> First out to Leesburg on the W&OD trail. It took a while for the sun 
>> to peek out from behind the autumn clouds, but when it did, all the 
>> frost 
>> started sublimating, making it look as though we were riding through 
>> clouds:
>>
>> [image: 2023_091735.jpeg]
>> [image: 2023_093939.jpeg]
>> [image: 2023_095837.jpeg]
>>
>>
>> Then wound our way northward to the Point Of Rocks bridge via rural 
>> roads in Loudoun County, both paved and gravel of various types:
>>
>> [image: 2023_115654.jpeg]
>> [image: 2023_115813.jpeg]
>>
>> And headed back to Georgetown on the C&O Canal towpath. Then on home 
>> after dark via the Mount Vernon trail and southern end of the W&OD.
>>
>> [image: 2023_140349.jpeg]
>>
>> We happened upon a giant old snapper sunning next to the towpath that 
>> had an ecosystem living on its back:
>>
>> [image: 2023_135651.jpeg]
>>
>> Around mile 65, we stopped for a break at one of the boat ramps near 
>> a lock house, with a lovely view of the Potomac:
>>
>> [image: 2023_145241.jpeg]
>>
>> All in all, it was a specacular though difficult (and, at times, cold 
>> and/or dark) ride. No real mechanical issues aside from a dropped chain 
>> here and there, for which we were both grateful. I feel that my Atlantis 
>> was truly in its element, traversing nearly every type of passable 
>> terrain 
>> with aplomb. I can't imagine having ridden anything else.
>>
>> [image: 2023_143422.jpeg]
>>
>> Nick A.
>> Falls Church VA
>>
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[Garth]

Nice day for a long bike ride Nick !  The fall lighting makes for lovely 
photos indeed. 
On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 7:25:47 PM UTC-5 Josh C wrote:

> Nick, 
>
> Very fun! Nice write-up. Great look'n bike too. 
>
> On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 4:13:04 PM UTC-5 thetaper...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks again to you all for your kind responses!  
>>
>> Bill -- that snapper's claw wasthe size of a kid's hand. It was probably 
>> about 20-22" long, and clearly the resident royalty for that section of the 
>> canal.
>>
>> Brians -- link to the route below. We took the W&OD and cut north from 
>> Leesburg on back roads to the Point of Rocks Bridge, which is very 
>> traffic-laden and sketchy. There's one walkway on the northbound side about 
>> 30" wide and elevated 10" from the road. In hindsight, I should have walked 
>> it!
>>
>>  https://strava.app.link/rGHbmmzVPEb — Point of Rocks Loop Century
>>
>> Nick in FC
>>
>> On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 1:13:44 PM UTC-5 brok...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, Nick… I would also be very interested in seeing your route. I’ve 
>>> done the C&O several times, but had no idea there was a parallel rail trail 
>>> across the Potomac starting at Point of Rocks, I assume? That seems like it 
>>> would make a nice overnighter without having to retrace your route or get a 
>>> shuttle.
>>>
>>> I spent a very harrowing night bike camping at one of those sites near 
>>> Point of Rocks (Calico Rock, maybe?)… probably the worst storm I’ve ever 
>>> been caught out in!
>>>
>>> Brian
>>> Lexington Ky
>>>
>>> On Nov 18, 2023, at 11:16 AM, Brian McDermott  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Nick- What a classic NOVA ride! I grew up in Leesburg and have ridden 
>>> countless miles on the W&OD ranging from skating to school on it when I was 
>>> a freshman at Loudoun County High School, up until a few years ago when my 
>>> folks still lived in the area. I'd be interested in seeing your route and 
>>> trying it sometime; I rode the GAP/C&O last year from Pitt to DC on my 
>>> Hillborne, tried it again this fall on my Appaloosa, but my knee gave out 
>>> on me by the time we reached Cumberland and I had to bail. This looks like 
>>> it would be fun to try in the spring. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 6:46:39 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 I want to know more about that turtle-shaped moss-covered rock!  That 
 guy is a bad ass.  
 Excellent work 

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

 On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 12:32:14 PM UTC-8 
 thetaper...@gmail.com wrote:

> A good friend and I managed around 105 miles last weekend. It was our 
> (the Atlantis and my) first century.
>
> We made a long loop here in the D.C. area. 
>
> First out to Leesburg on the W&OD trail. It took a while for the sun 
> to peek out from behind the autumn clouds, but when it did, all the frost 
> started sublimating, making it look as though we were riding through 
> clouds:
>
> [image: 2023_091735.jpeg]
> [image: 2023_093939.jpeg]
> [image: 2023_095837.jpeg]
>
>
> Then wound our way northward to the Point Of Rocks bridge via rural 
> roads in Loudoun County, both paved and gravel of various types:
>
> [image: 2023_115654.jpeg]
> [image: 2023_115813.jpeg]
>
> And headed back to Georgetown on the C&O Canal towpath. Then on home 
> after dark via the Mount Vernon trail and southern end of the W&OD.
>
> [image: 2023_140349.jpeg]
>
> We happened upon a giant old snapper sunning next to the towpath that 
> had an ecosystem living on its back:
>
> [image: 2023_135651.jpeg]
>
> Around mile 65, we stopped for a break at one of the boat ramps near a 
> lock house, with a lovely view of the Potomac:
>
> [image: 2023_145241.jpeg]
>
> All in all, it was a specacular though difficult (and, at times, cold 
> and/or dark) ride. No real mechanical issues aside from a dropped chain 
> here and there, for which we were both grateful. I feel that my Atlantis 
> was truly in its element, traversing nearly every type of passable 
> terrain 
> with aplomb. I can't imagine having ridden anything else.
>
> [image: 2023_143422.jpeg]
>
> Nick A.
> Falls Church VA
>
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[Josh C]

Nick, 

Very fun! Nice write-up. Great look'n bike too. 

On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 4:13:04 PM UTC-5 thetaper...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Thanks again to you all for your kind responses!  
>
> Bill -- that snapper's claw wasthe size of a kid's hand. It was probably 
> about 20-22" long, and clearly the resident royalty for that section of the 
> canal.
>
> Brians -- link to the route below. We took the W&OD and cut north from 
> Leesburg on back roads to the Point of Rocks Bridge, which is very 
> traffic-laden and sketchy. There's one walkway on the northbound side about 
> 30" wide and elevated 10" from the road. In hindsight, I should have walked 
> it!
>
>  https://strava.app.link/rGHbmmzVPEb — Point of Rocks Loop Century
>
> Nick in FC
>
> On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 1:13:44 PM UTC-5 brok...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Yes, Nick… I would also be very interested in seeing your route. I’ve 
>> done the C&O several times, but had no idea there was a parallel rail trail 
>> across the Potomac starting at Point of Rocks, I assume? That seems like it 
>> would make a nice overnighter without having to retrace your route or get a 
>> shuttle.
>>
>> I spent a very harrowing night bike camping at one of those sites near 
>> Point of Rocks (Calico Rock, maybe?)… probably the worst storm I’ve ever 
>> been caught out in!
>>
>> Brian
>> Lexington Ky
>>
>> On Nov 18, 2023, at 11:16 AM, Brian McDermott  
>> wrote:
>>
>> Nick- What a classic NOVA ride! I grew up in Leesburg and have ridden 
>> countless miles on the W&OD ranging from skating to school on it when I was 
>> a freshman at Loudoun County High School, up until a few years ago when my 
>> folks still lived in the area. I'd be interested in seeing your route and 
>> trying it sometime; I rode the GAP/C&O last year from Pitt to DC on my 
>> Hillborne, tried it again this fall on my Appaloosa, but my knee gave out 
>> on me by the time we reached Cumberland and I had to bail. This looks like 
>> it would be fun to try in the spring. 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 6:46:39 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> I want to know more about that turtle-shaped moss-covered rock!  That 
>>> guy is a bad ass.  
>>> Excellent work 
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 12:32:14 PM UTC-8 
>>> thetaper...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 A good friend and I managed around 105 miles last weekend. It was our 
 (the Atlantis and my) first century.

 We made a long loop here in the D.C. area. 

 First out to Leesburg on the W&OD trail. It took a while for the sun to 
 peek out from behind the autumn clouds, but when it did, all the frost 
 started sublimating, making it look as though we were riding through 
 clouds:

 [image: 2023_091735.jpeg]
 [image: 2023_093939.jpeg]
 [image: 2023_095837.jpeg]


 Then wound our way northward to the Point Of Rocks bridge via rural 
 roads in Loudoun County, both paved and gravel of various types:

 [image: 2023_115654.jpeg]
 [image: 2023_115813.jpeg]

 And headed back to Georgetown on the C&O Canal towpath. Then on home 
 after dark via the Mount Vernon trail and southern end of the W&OD.

 [image: 2023_140349.jpeg]

 We happened upon a giant old snapper sunning next to the towpath that 
 had an ecosystem living on its back:

 [image: 2023_135651.jpeg]

 Around mile 65, we stopped for a break at one of the boat ramps near a 
 lock house, with a lovely view of the Potomac:

 [image: 2023_145241.jpeg]

 All in all, it was a specacular though difficult (and, at times, cold 
 and/or dark) ride. No real mechanical issues aside from a dropped chain 
 here and there, for which we were both grateful. I feel that my Atlantis 
 was truly in its element, traversing nearly every type of passable terrain 
 with aplomb. I can't imagine having ridden anything else.

 [image: 2023_143422.jpeg]

 Nick A.
 Falls Church VA

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Re: [RBW] Re: Ride Report - First Century on my Atlantis - and at all

[Nick A.]

Thanks again to you all for your kind responses!  

Bill -- that snapper's claw wasthe size of a kid's hand. It was probably 
about 20-22" long, and clearly the resident royalty for that section of the 
canal.

Brians -- link to the route below. We took the W&OD and cut north from 
Leesburg on back roads to the Point of Rocks Bridge, which is very 
traffic-laden and sketchy. There's one walkway on the northbound side about 
30" wide and elevated 10" from the road. In hindsight, I should have walked 
it!

 https://strava.app.link/rGHbmmzVPEb — Point of Rocks Loop Century

Nick in FC

On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 1:13:44 PM UTC-5 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

> Yes, Nick… I would also be very interested in seeing your route. I’ve done 
> the C&O several times, but had no idea there was a parallel rail trail 
> across the Potomac starting at Point of Rocks, I assume? That seems like it 
> would make a nice overnighter without having to retrace your route or get a 
> shuttle.
>
> I spent a very harrowing night bike camping at one of those sites near 
> Point of Rocks (Calico Rock, maybe?)… probably the worst storm I’ve ever 
> been caught out in!
>
> Brian
> Lexington Ky
>
> On Nov 18, 2023, at 11:16 AM, Brian McDermott  
> wrote:
>
> Nick- What a classic NOVA ride! I grew up in Leesburg and have ridden 
> countless miles on the W&OD ranging from skating to school on it when I was 
> a freshman at Loudoun County High School, up until a few years ago when my 
> folks still lived in the area. I'd be interested in seeing your route and 
> trying it sometime; I rode the GAP/C&O last year from Pitt to DC on my 
> Hillborne, tried it again this fall on my Appaloosa, but my knee gave out 
> on me by the time we reached Cumberland and I had to bail. This looks like 
> it would be fun to try in the spring. 
>
>
>
> On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 6:46:39 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> I want to know more about that turtle-shaped moss-covered rock!  That guy 
>> is a bad ass.  
>> Excellent work 
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 12:32:14 PM UTC-8 thetaper...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> A good friend and I managed around 105 miles last weekend. It was our 
>>> (the Atlantis and my) first century.
>>>
>>> We made a long loop here in the D.C. area. 
>>>
>>> First out to Leesburg on the W&OD trail. It took a while for the sun to 
>>> peek out from behind the autumn clouds, but when it did, all the frost 
>>> started sublimating, making it look as though we were riding through clouds:
>>>
>>> [image: 2023_091735.jpeg]
>>> [image: 2023_093939.jpeg]
>>> [image: 2023_095837.jpeg]
>>>
>>>
>>> Then wound our way northward to the Point Of Rocks bridge via rural 
>>> roads in Loudoun County, both paved and gravel of various types:
>>>
>>> [image: 2023_115654.jpeg]
>>> [image: 2023_115813.jpeg]
>>>
>>> And headed back to Georgetown on the C&O Canal towpath. Then on home 
>>> after dark via the Mount Vernon trail and southern end of the W&OD.
>>>
>>> [image: 2023_140349.jpeg]
>>>
>>> We happened upon a giant old snapper sunning next to the towpath that 
>>> had an ecosystem living on its back:
>>>
>>> [image: 2023_135651.jpeg]
>>>
>>> Around mile 65, we stopped for a break at one of the boat ramps near a 
>>> lock house, with a lovely view of the Potomac:
>>>
>>> [image: 2023_145241.jpeg]
>>>
>>> All in all, it was a specacular though difficult (and, at times, cold 
>>> and/or dark) ride. No real mechanical issues aside from a dropped chain 
>>> here and there, for which we were both grateful. I feel that my Atlantis 
>>> was truly in its element, traversing nearly every type of passable terrain 
>>> with aplomb. I can't imagine having ridden anything else.
>>>
>>> [image: 2023_143422.jpeg]
>>>
>>> Nick A.
>>> Falls Church VA
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Ride Report - First Century on my Atlantis - and at all

[Brian Turner]

Yes, Nick… I would also be very interested in seeing your route. I’ve done the C&O several times, but had no idea there was a parallel rail trail across the Potomac starting at Point of Rocks, I assume? That seems like it would make a nice overnighter without having to retrace your route or get a shuttle.I spent a very harrowing night bike camping at one of those sites near Point of Rocks (Calico Rock, maybe?)… probably the worst storm I’ve ever been caught out in!BrianLexington KyOn Nov 18, 2023, at 11:16 AM, Brian McDermott  wrote:Nick- What a classic NOVA ride! I grew up in Leesburg and have ridden countless miles on the W&OD ranging from skating to school on it when I was a freshman at Loudoun County High School, up until a few years ago when my folks still lived in the area. I'd be interested in seeing your route and trying it sometime; I rode the GAP/C&O last year from Pitt to DC on my Hillborne, tried it again this fall on my Appaloosa, but my knee gave out on me by the time we reached Cumberland and I had to bail. This looks like it would be fun to try in the spring. On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 6:46:39 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:I want to know more about that turtle-shaped moss-covered rock!  That guy is a bad ass.  Excellent work Bill LindsayEl Cerrito, CAOn Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 12:32:14 PM UTC-8 thetaper...@gmail.com wrote:A good friend and I managed around 105 miles last weekend. It was our (the Atlantis and my) first century.We made a long loop here in the D.C. area. First
 out to Leesburg on the W&OD trail. It took a while for the sun to 
peek out from behind the autumn clouds, but when it did, all the frost 
started sublimating, making it look as though we were riding through 
clouds:Then wound our way northward to the Point Of Rocks bridge via rural 
roads in Loudoun County, both paved and gravel of various types:And headed back to Georgetown on the C&O 
Canal towpath. Then on home after dark via the Mount Vernon trail and southern end of the W&OD.We happened upon a giant old snapper sunning next to the towpath that had an ecosystem living on its back:Around mile 65, we stopped for a break at one of the boat ramps near a lock house, with a lovely view of the Potomac:All
 in all, it was a specacular though difficult (and, at times, cold 
and/or dark) ride. No real mechanical issues aside from a dropped chain 
here and there, for which we were both grateful. I feel that my Atlantis
 was truly in its element, traversing nearly every type of passable 
terrain with aplomb. I can't imagine having ridden anything else.Nick A.Falls Church VA



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Re: [RBW] Re: Ride Report Videos

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Nice work. I love seeing the localesThey look like very pleasant stretches to ride!k.On Aug 28, 2023, at 5:03 AM, John G  wrote:Fun.  Thank you for sharing. I always enjoy seeing where others ride.John GUnion Bridge, MDOn Friday, August 25, 2023 at 1:58:41 PM UTC-4 Matthew Williams wrote:Hi everyone,Eric’s videos inspired me to make a movie version of a ride report.We have lots of written ride reports and photo essays, so I thought we could also post videos of our rides. Here’s one I made yesterday, riding through Berkeley, San Ramon, and points beyond. Enjoy!Bike Rideyoutube.com



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Re: [RBW] Re: Ride report: Eastern Indiana Cardinal Greenway

[Alex DeNooyer]

That sounds awesome, I’ll add that to my list. I appreciate it Josh! I was just planning to bike around in the city but having some dedicated bike trails to cruise on will be great.On Jul 19, 2023, at 8:43 PM, Josh C  wrote:Al, I do think you could get to the Gaston section of the trial, from I-69, in about 10-15 minutes. That's the way I got there for the first ride. Gaston to Losantville is pretty nice. The Monon trail in Indianapolis is a nice ride. More populated and less rural, obviously, but it's a nice trail that runs about 26 miles from downtown Indy up to Sheridan. When you get back to the southern end you can pop into the Garage food hall for some food and drink. On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 7:54:18 PM UTC-4 Al wrote:Thanks George, I appreciate the detailed explanation. I’ll plan on going through Muncie.Josh, I’m staying in Indianapolis.On Jul 19, 2023, at 7:39 PM, Josh C  wrote:Al, What part of the state are you staying in, Indianapolis? On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 7:31:28 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:Brokebike, I found it to be quite shaded. Gaston to Losantville was very shaded. Some open areas near Losantville, but again down toward Richmond was quite shaded. It makes for a nice ride in the heat. On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 10:00:10 AM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com wrote:My buddy Huston and I rode the Cardinal Greenway back in the pre-Pandemic days. We rode from Richmond to Losantville, and then took rural roads over to Summit Lake State Park, where we camped for the night. It was a very well manicured trail, but I don't recall there being much shade back then. Maybe it has grown up a bit more since then. It was mostly corn on one side, soybeans on the other the whole way. I'd like to go back and explore more of the upper section of it.On Tue, Jul 18, 2023 at 10:27 PM Steve  wrote:George, I went to school at BSU in the '70s as well.   Wound up in Muncie for nearly the entire decade.  Had some good times riding the backroads in that area. Some of it was on an old canti-framed Schwinn I paid $20 for and built up as a "Little 500" racer; drop bars, coaster brake, and a rattle can orange paint job. I remember those long trains pulling coal cars - and getting caught at the crossings as they rumbled by. I had no idea though that they were part of the whole steel industry centered around Gary. Thanks for sharing a bit of the history of the Cardinal. It made me realize that rail trails all have a backstory rooted in a changing economy. Interesting!. On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 8:48:12 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:I grew up in Richmond and am well aware that the Cardinal Greenway Trail is a rails-to-trails conversion of the old C&O Railroad that used to haul long coal trains from the mines in SE Kentucky and West Virginia up to the steel mills along the Southwestern Lake Michigan shore.  I attended college at Ball State University in Muncie during the early 70's and often saw those freights along U.S. 35 as I drove that way many times.  But things have changed significantly over the past 4 to 5 decades.  C&O abandoned that stretch of rail once the steel mill industry moved largely off-shore and the high sulfur coal from those mines was replaced by coal from Western mines that was closer to the surface and had lower sulfur content.  Hence, the abandoned railway is now the Cardinal Greenway.  I haven't lived there in over 50 years and have never ridden the new trail.  As I understand it, though, there are certain sections where some land owners have claimed rights from the railroad right-of-way and have caused trail users to detour onto sections of county roads for brief stretches.  This is particularly true once one gets North of Muncie. One of these days I may have to drive down there and ride that trail just for the nostalgia.On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 6:01:17 PM UTC-5 Josh C wrote:My first attempt at this. The site is a bit old tech. It kept telling me that my post was too long, so I broke it up. May have been the pic size. Sorry for the typo's. I think I got the point across at least. On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 6:26:35 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 6:23:16 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:Both of these rides were accomplished on my Atlantis, a 2008 Toyo 61 CM for those that want details. And yes, that’s a sign telling you not to drive your horse and buggy on the trail.On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 6:20:20 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 6:18:08 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:So, I went back and wrote the southern portion today. I drove out to Richmond, IN, about an hour or so from Indianapolis on the Ohio/Indiana line, and headed north a little past, Losantville, IN for a total of about 60 miles. It was a pleasant ride with at least 3/4 being in the shade of trees along the old Cardinal. I just thought I’d share.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Ride report: Eastern Indiana Cardinal Greenway

[Josh C]

Al, 

I do think you could get to the Gaston section of the trial, from I-69, in 
about 10-15 minutes. That's the way I got there for the first ride. Gaston 
to Losantville is pretty nice. The Monon trail in Indianapolis is a nice 
ride. More populated and less rural, obviously, but it's a nice trail that 
runs about 26 miles from downtown Indy up to Sheridan. When you get back to 
the southern end you can pop into the Garage food hall for some food and 
drink. 

On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 7:54:18 PM UTC-4 Al wrote:

> Thanks George, I appreciate the detailed explanation. I’ll plan on going 
> through Muncie.
>
> Josh, I’m staying in Indianapolis.
>
> On Jul 19, 2023, at 7:39 PM, Josh C  wrote:
>
> Al, 
>
>
> What part of the state are you staying in, Indianapolis? 
>
> On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 7:31:28 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>
>> Brokebike, 
>> I found it to be quite shaded. Gaston to Losantville was very shaded. 
>> Some open areas near Losantville, but again down toward Richmond was quite 
>> shaded. It makes for a nice ride in the heat. 
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 10:00:10 AM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> My buddy Huston and I rode the Cardinal Greenway back in the 
>>> pre-Pandemic days. We rode from Richmond to Losantville, and then took 
>>> rural roads over to Summit Lake State Park, where we camped for the night. 
>>> It was a very well manicured trail, but I don't recall there being much 
>>> shade back then. Maybe it has grown up a bit more since then. It was mostly 
>>> corn on one side, soybeans on the other the whole way. I'd like to go back 
>>> and explore more of the upper section of it.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 18, 2023 at 10:27 PM Steve  wrote:
>>>
 George, I went to school at BSU in the '70s as well.   Wound up in 
 Muncie for nearly the entire decade.  Had some good times riding the 
 backroads in that area. Some of it was on an old canti-framed Schwinn I 
 paid $20 for and built up as a "Little 500" racer; drop bars, coaster 
 brake, and a rattle can orange paint job.

  I remember those long trains pulling coal cars - and getting caught at 
 the crossings as they rumbled by. I had no idea though that they were part 
 of the whole steel industry centered around Gary. Thanks for sharing a bit 
 of the history of the Cardinal. It made me realize that rail trails all 
 have a backstory rooted in a changing economy. Interesting!. 
 On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 8:48:12 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:

> I grew up in Richmond and am well aware that the Cardinal Greenway 
> Trail is a rails-to-trails conversion of the old C&O Railroad that used 
> to 
> haul long coal trains from the mines in SE Kentucky and West Virginia up 
> to 
> the steel mills along the Southwestern Lake Michigan shore.  I attended 
> college at Ball State University in Muncie during the early 70's and 
> often 
> saw those freights along U.S. 35 as I drove that way many times.  But 
> things have changed significantly over the past 4 to 5 decades.  C&O 
> abandoned that stretch of rail once the steel mill industry moved largely 
> off-shore and the high sulfur coal from those mines was replaced by coal 
> from Western mines that was closer to the surface and had lower sulfur 
> content.  Hence, the abandoned railway is now the Cardinal Greenway.  I 
> haven't lived there in over 50 years and have never ridden the new trail. 
>  
> As I understand it, though, there are certain sections where some land 
> owners have claimed rights from the railroad right-of-way and have caused 
> trail users to detour onto sections of county roads for brief stretches.  
> This is particularly true once one gets North of Muncie. One of these 
> days 
> I may have to drive down there and ride that trail just for the nostalgia.
>
> On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 6:01:17 PM UTC-5 Josh C wrote:
>
>> My first attempt at this. The site is a bit old tech. It kept telling 
>> me that my post was too long, so I broke it up. May have been the pic 
>> size. 
>> Sorry for the typo's. I think I got the point across at least. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 6:26:35 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>>
>>> [image: IMG_0476.jpeg][image: IMG_0480.jpeg][image: 
>>> IMG_0463.jpeg][image: 
>>> IMG_0465.jpeg]
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 6:23:16 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>>>
 [image: IMG_0467.jpeg][image: IMG_0466.jpeg][image: IMG_0464.jpeg]
 Both of these rides were accomplished on my Atlantis, a 2008 Toyo 
 61 CM for those that want details. And yes, that’s a sign telling you 
 not 
 to drive your horse and buggy on the trail.
 On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 6:20:20 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:

> [image: IMG_0467.jpeg][image: IMG_0481.jpeg][image: IMG_0478.jpeg]
>
> 

Re: [RBW] Re: Ride report: Eastern Indiana Cardinal Greenway

[Alex DeNooyer]

Thanks George, I appreciate the detailed explanation. I’ll plan on going through Muncie.Josh, I’m staying in Indianapolis.On Jul 19, 2023, at 7:39 PM, Josh C  wrote:Al, What part of the state are you staying in, Indianapolis? On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 7:31:28 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:Brokebike, I found it to be quite shaded. Gaston to Losantville was very shaded. Some open areas near Losantville, but again down toward Richmond was quite shaded. It makes for a nice ride in the heat. On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 10:00:10 AM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com wrote:My buddy Huston and I rode the Cardinal Greenway back in the pre-Pandemic days. We rode from Richmond to Losantville, and then took rural roads over to Summit Lake State Park, where we camped for the night. It was a very well manicured trail, but I don't recall there being much shade back then. Maybe it has grown up a bit more since then. It was mostly corn on one side, soybeans on the other the whole way. I'd like to go back and explore more of the upper section of it.On Tue, Jul 18, 2023 at 10:27 PM Steve  wrote:George, I went to school at BSU in the '70s as well.   Wound up in Muncie for nearly the entire decade.  Had some good times riding the backroads in that area. Some of it was on an old canti-framed Schwinn I paid $20 for and built up as a "Little 500" racer; drop bars, coaster brake, and a rattle can orange paint job. I remember those long trains pulling coal cars - and getting caught at the crossings as they rumbled by. I had no idea though that they were part of the whole steel industry centered around Gary. Thanks for sharing a bit of the history of the Cardinal. It made me realize that rail trails all have a backstory rooted in a changing economy. Interesting!. On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 8:48:12 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:I grew up in Richmond and am well aware that the Cardinal Greenway Trail is a rails-to-trails conversion of the old C&O Railroad that used to haul long coal trains from the mines in SE Kentucky and West Virginia up to the steel mills along the Southwestern Lake Michigan shore.  I attended college at Ball State University in Muncie during the early 70's and often saw those freights along U.S. 35 as I drove that way many times.  But things have changed significantly over the past 4 to 5 decades.  C&O abandoned that stretch of rail once the steel mill industry moved largely off-shore and the high sulfur coal from those mines was replaced by coal from Western mines that was closer to the surface and had lower sulfur content.  Hence, the abandoned railway is now the Cardinal Greenway.  I haven't lived there in over 50 years and have never ridden the new trail.  As I understand it, though, there are certain sections where some land owners have claimed rights from the railroad right-of-way and have caused trail users to detour onto sections of county roads for brief stretches.  This is particularly true once one gets North of Muncie. One of these days I may have to drive down there and ride that trail just for the nostalgia.On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 6:01:17 PM UTC-5 Josh C wrote:My first attempt at this. The site is a bit old tech. It kept telling me that my post was too long, so I broke it up. May have been the pic size. Sorry for the typo's. I think I got the point across at least. On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 6:26:35 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 6:23:16 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:Both of these rides were accomplished on my Atlantis, a 2008 Toyo 61 CM for those that want details. And yes, that’s a sign telling you not to drive your horse and buggy on the trail.On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 6:20:20 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 6:18:08 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:So, I went back and wrote the southern portion today. I drove out to Richmond, IN, about an hour or so from Indianapolis on the Ohio/Indiana line, and headed north a little past, Losantville, IN for a total of about 60 miles. It was a pleasant ride with at least 3/4 being in the shade of trees along the old Cardinal. I just thought I’d share.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Ride report: Eastern Indiana Cardinal Greenway

[Josh C]

Al, 

What part of the state are you staying in, Indianapolis? 

On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 7:31:28 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:

> Brokebike, 
> I found it to be quite shaded. Gaston to Losantville was very shaded. Some 
> open areas near Losantville, but again down toward Richmond was quite 
> shaded. It makes for a nice ride in the heat. 
>
> On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 10:00:10 AM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> My buddy Huston and I rode the Cardinal Greenway back in the pre-Pandemic 
>> days. We rode from Richmond to Losantville, and then took rural roads over 
>> to Summit Lake State Park, where we camped for the night. It was a very 
>> well manicured trail, but I don't recall there being much shade back then. 
>> Maybe it has grown up a bit more since then. It was mostly corn on one 
>> side, soybeans on the other the whole way. I'd like to go back and explore 
>> more of the upper section of it.
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 18, 2023 at 10:27 PM Steve  wrote:
>>
>>> George, I went to school at BSU in the '70s as well.   Wound up in 
>>> Muncie for nearly the entire decade.  Had some good times riding the 
>>> backroads in that area. Some of it was on an old canti-framed Schwinn I 
>>> paid $20 for and built up as a "Little 500" racer; drop bars, coaster 
>>> brake, and a rattle can orange paint job.
>>>
>>>  I remember those long trains pulling coal cars - and getting caught at 
>>> the crossings as they rumbled by. I had no idea though that they were part 
>>> of the whole steel industry centered around Gary. Thanks for sharing a bit 
>>> of the history of the Cardinal. It made me realize that rail trails all 
>>> have a backstory rooted in a changing economy. Interesting!. 
>>> On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 8:48:12 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:
>>>
 I grew up in Richmond and am well aware that the Cardinal Greenway 
 Trail is a rails-to-trails conversion of the old C&O Railroad that used to 
 haul long coal trains from the mines in SE Kentucky and West Virginia up 
 to 
 the steel mills along the Southwestern Lake Michigan shore.  I attended 
 college at Ball State University in Muncie during the early 70's and often 
 saw those freights along U.S. 35 as I drove that way many times.  But 
 things have changed significantly over the past 4 to 5 decades.  C&O 
 abandoned that stretch of rail once the steel mill industry moved largely 
 off-shore and the high sulfur coal from those mines was replaced by coal 
 from Western mines that was closer to the surface and had lower sulfur 
 content.  Hence, the abandoned railway is now the Cardinal Greenway.  I 
 haven't lived there in over 50 years and have never ridden the new trail.  
 As I understand it, though, there are certain sections where some land 
 owners have claimed rights from the railroad right-of-way and have caused 
 trail users to detour onto sections of county roads for brief stretches.  
 This is particularly true once one gets North of Muncie. One of these days 
 I may have to drive down there and ride that trail just for the nostalgia.

 On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 6:01:17 PM UTC-5 Josh C wrote:

> My first attempt at this. The site is a bit old tech. It kept telling 
> me that my post was too long, so I broke it up. May have been the pic 
> size. 
> Sorry for the typo's. I think I got the point across at least. 
>
> On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 6:26:35 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>
>> [image: IMG_0476.jpeg][image: IMG_0480.jpeg][image: 
>> IMG_0463.jpeg][image: 
>> IMG_0465.jpeg]
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 6:23:16 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>>
>>> [image: IMG_0467.jpeg][image: IMG_0466.jpeg][image: IMG_0464.jpeg]
>>> Both of these rides were accomplished on my Atlantis, a 2008 Toyo 61 
>>> CM for those that want details. And yes, that’s a sign telling you not 
>>> to 
>>> drive your horse and buggy on the trail.
>>> On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 6:20:20 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>>>
 [image: IMG_0467.jpeg][image: IMG_0481.jpeg][image: IMG_0478.jpeg]

 On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 6:18:08 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:

> So, I went back and wrote the southern portion today. I drove out 
> to Richmond, IN, about an hour or so from Indianapolis on the 
> Ohio/Indiana 
> line, and headed north a little past, Losantville, IN for a total of 
> about 
> 60 miles. It was a pleasant ride with at least 3/4 being in the shade 
> of 
> trees along the old Cardinal. I just thought I’d share.
>
> [image: IMG_0477.jpeg]
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Ride report: Eastern Indiana Cardinal Greenway

[Josh C]

Brokebike, 
I found it to be quite shaded. Gaston to Losantville was very shaded. Some 
open areas near Losantville, but again down toward Richmond was quite 
shaded. It makes for a nice ride in the heat. 

On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 10:00:10 AM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

> My buddy Huston and I rode the Cardinal Greenway back in the pre-Pandemic 
> days. We rode from Richmond to Losantville, and then took rural roads over 
> to Summit Lake State Park, where we camped for the night. It was a very 
> well manicured trail, but I don't recall there being much shade back then. 
> Maybe it has grown up a bit more since then. It was mostly corn on one 
> side, soybeans on the other the whole way. I'd like to go back and explore 
> more of the upper section of it.
>
> On Tue, Jul 18, 2023 at 10:27 PM Steve  wrote:
>
>> George, I went to school at BSU in the '70s as well.   Wound up in Muncie 
>> for nearly the entire decade.  Had some good times riding the backroads in 
>> that area. Some of it was on an old canti-framed Schwinn I paid $20 for and 
>> built up as a "Little 500" racer; drop bars, coaster brake, and a rattle 
>> can orange paint job.
>>
>>  I remember those long trains pulling coal cars - and getting caught at 
>> the crossings as they rumbled by. I had no idea though that they were part 
>> of the whole steel industry centered around Gary. Thanks for sharing a bit 
>> of the history of the Cardinal. It made me realize that rail trails all 
>> have a backstory rooted in a changing economy. Interesting!. 
>> On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 8:48:12 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:
>>
>>> I grew up in Richmond and am well aware that the Cardinal Greenway Trail 
>>> is a rails-to-trails conversion of the old C&O Railroad that used to haul 
>>> long coal trains from the mines in SE Kentucky and West Virginia up to the 
>>> steel mills along the Southwestern Lake Michigan shore.  I attended college 
>>> at Ball State University in Muncie during the early 70's and often saw 
>>> those freights along U.S. 35 as I drove that way many times.  But things 
>>> have changed significantly over the past 4 to 5 decades.  C&O abandoned 
>>> that stretch of rail once the steel mill industry moved largely off-shore 
>>> and the high sulfur coal from those mines was replaced by coal from Western 
>>> mines that was closer to the surface and had lower sulfur content.  Hence, 
>>> the abandoned railway is now the Cardinal Greenway.  I haven't lived there 
>>> in over 50 years and have never ridden the new trail.  As I understand it, 
>>> though, there are certain sections where some land owners have claimed 
>>> rights from the railroad right-of-way and have caused trail users to detour 
>>> onto sections of county roads for brief stretches.  This is particularly 
>>> true once one gets North of Muncie. One of these days I may have to drive 
>>> down there and ride that trail just for the nostalgia.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 6:01:17 PM UTC-5 Josh C wrote:
>>>
 My first attempt at this. The site is a bit old tech. It kept telling 
 me that my post was too long, so I broke it up. May have been the pic 
 size. 
 Sorry for the typo's. I think I got the point across at least. 

 On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 6:26:35 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:

> [image: IMG_0476.jpeg][image: IMG_0480.jpeg][image: IMG_0463.jpeg][image: 
> IMG_0465.jpeg]
>
> On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 6:23:16 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>
>> [image: IMG_0467.jpeg][image: IMG_0466.jpeg][image: IMG_0464.jpeg]
>> Both of these rides were accomplished on my Atlantis, a 2008 Toyo 61 
>> CM for those that want details. And yes, that’s a sign telling you not 
>> to 
>> drive your horse and buggy on the trail.
>> On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 6:20:20 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>>
>>> [image: IMG_0467.jpeg][image: IMG_0481.jpeg][image: IMG_0478.jpeg]
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 6:18:08 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>>>
 So, I went back and wrote the southern portion today. I drove out 
 to Richmond, IN, about an hour or so from Indianapolis on the 
 Ohio/Indiana 
 line, and headed north a little past, Losantville, IN for a total of 
 about 
 60 miles. It was a pleasant ride with at least 3/4 being in the shade 
 of 
 trees along the old Cardinal. I just thought I’d share.

 [image: IMG_0477.jpeg]

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Re: [RBW] Re: Ride report: Eastern Indiana Cardinal Greenway

[Josh C]

I agree with George. 

On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 6:11:15 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:

> That's a difficult request because I-69 runs pretty much North-to-South in 
> the area where it gets even a little bit close to the Cardinal Greenway 
> Trail.  The closest access point that I can see would be at Gaston and 
> there are no exits off the interstate anywhere near there until you get to 
> state road 28. And I don't know where you'd park around there in order to 
> ride a bike plus you' have to ride East on SR 28 for a ways before getting 
> to the trailhead and I, myself, would not want to do that on that highway 
> (narrow, no shoulders).  You'd be better off just going just a little 
> further South and taking to SR 332 into Muncie where you could get on the 
> Greenway Trail there.  Maybe there's parking places along the train in 
> Muncie.
>
> On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 11:16:40 AM UTC-5 Al wrote:
>
>> I'm spending a long weekend in Indy and am planning to take my bike down 
>> (I live in Grand Rapids, MI). I'll definitely check check this out as I'll 
>> be going right through that area. Anyone recommend a good starting point 
>> near I-69?
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 10:00:10 AM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> My buddy Huston and I rode the Cardinal Greenway back in the 
>>> pre-Pandemic days. We rode from Richmond to Losantville, and then took 
>>> rural roads over to Summit Lake State Park, where we camped for the night. 
>>> It was a very well manicured trail, but I don't recall there being much 
>>> shade back then. Maybe it has grown up a bit more since then. It was mostly 
>>> corn on one side, soybeans on the other the whole way. I'd like to go back 
>>> and explore more of the upper section of it.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 18, 2023 at 10:27 PM Steve  wrote:
>>>
 George, I went to school at BSU in the '70s as well.   Wound up in 
 Muncie for nearly the entire decade.  Had some good times riding the 
 backroads in that area. Some of it was on an old canti-framed Schwinn I 
 paid $20 for and built up as a "Little 500" racer; drop bars, coaster 
 brake, and a rattle can orange paint job.

  I remember those long trains pulling coal cars - and getting caught at 
 the crossings as they rumbled by. I had no idea though that they were part 
 of the whole steel industry centered around Gary. Thanks for sharing a bit 
 of the history of the Cardinal. It made me realize that rail trails all 
 have a backstory rooted in a changing economy. Interesting!. 
 On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 8:48:12 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:

> I grew up in Richmond and am well aware that the Cardinal Greenway 
> Trail is a rails-to-trails conversion of the old C&O Railroad that used 
> to 
> haul long coal trains from the mines in SE Kentucky and West Virginia up 
> to 
> the steel mills along the Southwestern Lake Michigan shore.  I attended 
> college at Ball State University in Muncie during the early 70's and 
> often 
> saw those freights along U.S. 35 as I drove that way many times.  But 
> things have changed significantly over the past 4 to 5 decades.  C&O 
> abandoned that stretch of rail once the steel mill industry moved largely 
> off-shore and the high sulfur coal from those mines was replaced by coal 
> from Western mines that was closer to the surface and had lower sulfur 
> content.  Hence, the abandoned railway is now the Cardinal Greenway.  I 
> haven't lived there in over 50 years and have never ridden the new trail. 
>  
> As I understand it, though, there are certain sections where some land 
> owners have claimed rights from the railroad right-of-way and have caused 
> trail users to detour onto sections of county roads for brief stretches.  
> This is particularly true once one gets North of Muncie. One of these 
> days 
> I may have to drive down there and ride that trail just for the nostalgia.
>
> On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 6:01:17 PM UTC-5 Josh C wrote:
>
>> My first attempt at this. The site is a bit old tech. It kept telling 
>> me that my post was too long, so I broke it up. May have been the pic 
>> size. 
>> Sorry for the typo's. I think I got the point across at least. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 6:26:35 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>>
>>> [image: IMG_0476.jpeg][image: IMG_0480.jpeg][image: 
>>> IMG_0463.jpeg][image: 
>>> IMG_0465.jpeg]
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 6:23:16 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>>>
 [image: IMG_0467.jpeg][image: IMG_0466.jpeg][image: IMG_0464.jpeg]
 Both of these rides were accomplished on my Atlantis, a 2008 Toyo 
 61 CM for those that want details. And yes, that’s a sign telling you 
 not 
 to drive your horse and buggy on the trail.
 On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 6:20:20 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote

Re: [RBW] Re: Ride report: Eastern Indiana Cardinal Greenway

[George Schick]

That's a difficult request because I-69 runs pretty much North-to-South in 
the area where it gets even a little bit close to the Cardinal Greenway 
Trail.  The closest access point that I can see would be at Gaston and 
there are no exits off the interstate anywhere near there until you get to 
state road 28. And I don't know where you'd park around there in order to 
ride a bike plus you' have to ride East on SR 28 for a ways before getting 
to the trailhead and I, myself, would not want to do that on that highway 
(narrow, no shoulders).  You'd be better off just going just a little 
further South and taking to SR 332 into Muncie where you could get on the 
Greenway Trail there.  Maybe there's parking places along the train in 
Muncie.

On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 11:16:40 AM UTC-5 Al wrote:

> I'm spending a long weekend in Indy and am planning to take my bike down 
> (I live in Grand Rapids, MI). I'll definitely check check this out as I'll 
> be going right through that area. Anyone recommend a good starting point 
> near I-69?
>
> On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 10:00:10 AM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> My buddy Huston and I rode the Cardinal Greenway back in the pre-Pandemic 
>> days. We rode from Richmond to Losantville, and then took rural roads over 
>> to Summit Lake State Park, where we camped for the night. It was a very 
>> well manicured trail, but I don't recall there being much shade back then. 
>> Maybe it has grown up a bit more since then. It was mostly corn on one 
>> side, soybeans on the other the whole way. I'd like to go back and explore 
>> more of the upper section of it.
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 18, 2023 at 10:27 PM Steve  wrote:
>>
>>> George, I went to school at BSU in the '70s as well.   Wound up in 
>>> Muncie for nearly the entire decade.  Had some good times riding the 
>>> backroads in that area. Some of it was on an old canti-framed Schwinn I 
>>> paid $20 for and built up as a "Little 500" racer; drop bars, coaster 
>>> brake, and a rattle can orange paint job.
>>>
>>>  I remember those long trains pulling coal cars - and getting caught at 
>>> the crossings as they rumbled by. I had no idea though that they were part 
>>> of the whole steel industry centered around Gary. Thanks for sharing a bit 
>>> of the history of the Cardinal. It made me realize that rail trails all 
>>> have a backstory rooted in a changing economy. Interesting!. 
>>> On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 8:48:12 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:
>>>
 I grew up in Richmond and am well aware that the Cardinal Greenway 
 Trail is a rails-to-trails conversion of the old C&O Railroad that used to 
 haul long coal trains from the mines in SE Kentucky and West Virginia up 
 to 
 the steel mills along the Southwestern Lake Michigan shore.  I attended 
 college at Ball State University in Muncie during the early 70's and often 
 saw those freights along U.S. 35 as I drove that way many times.  But 
 things have changed significantly over the past 4 to 5 decades.  C&O 
 abandoned that stretch of rail once the steel mill industry moved largely 
 off-shore and the high sulfur coal from those mines was replaced by coal 
 from Western mines that was closer to the surface and had lower sulfur 
 content.  Hence, the abandoned railway is now the Cardinal Greenway.  I 
 haven't lived there in over 50 years and have never ridden the new trail.  
 As I understand it, though, there are certain sections where some land 
 owners have claimed rights from the railroad right-of-way and have caused 
 trail users to detour onto sections of county roads for brief stretches.  
 This is particularly true once one gets North of Muncie. One of these days 
 I may have to drive down there and ride that trail just for the nostalgia.

 On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 6:01:17 PM UTC-5 Josh C wrote:

> My first attempt at this. The site is a bit old tech. It kept telling 
> me that my post was too long, so I broke it up. May have been the pic 
> size. 
> Sorry for the typo's. I think I got the point across at least. 
>
> On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 6:26:35 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>
>> [image: IMG_0476.jpeg][image: IMG_0480.jpeg][image: 
>> IMG_0463.jpeg][image: 
>> IMG_0465.jpeg]
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 6:23:16 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>>
>>> [image: IMG_0467.jpeg][image: IMG_0466.jpeg][image: IMG_0464.jpeg]
>>> Both of these rides were accomplished on my Atlantis, a 2008 Toyo 61 
>>> CM for those that want details. And yes, that’s a sign telling you not 
>>> to 
>>> drive your horse and buggy on the trail.
>>> On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 6:20:20 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>>>
 [image: IMG_0467.jpeg][image: IMG_0481.jpeg][image: IMG_0478.jpeg]

 On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 6:18:08 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:

> So, I went back and wrote the sout

Re: [RBW] Re: Ride report: Eastern Indiana Cardinal Greenway

[Al]

I'm spending a long weekend in Indy and am planning to take my bike down (I 
live in Grand Rapids, MI). I'll definitely check check this out as I'll be 
going right through that area. Anyone recommend a good starting point near 
I-69?

On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 10:00:10 AM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

> My buddy Huston and I rode the Cardinal Greenway back in the pre-Pandemic 
> days. We rode from Richmond to Losantville, and then took rural roads over 
> to Summit Lake State Park, where we camped for the night. It was a very 
> well manicured trail, but I don't recall there being much shade back then. 
> Maybe it has grown up a bit more since then. It was mostly corn on one 
> side, soybeans on the other the whole way. I'd like to go back and explore 
> more of the upper section of it.
>
> On Tue, Jul 18, 2023 at 10:27 PM Steve  wrote:
>
>> George, I went to school at BSU in the '70s as well.   Wound up in Muncie 
>> for nearly the entire decade.  Had some good times riding the backroads in 
>> that area. Some of it was on an old canti-framed Schwinn I paid $20 for and 
>> built up as a "Little 500" racer; drop bars, coaster brake, and a rattle 
>> can orange paint job.
>>
>>  I remember those long trains pulling coal cars - and getting caught at 
>> the crossings as they rumbled by. I had no idea though that they were part 
>> of the whole steel industry centered around Gary. Thanks for sharing a bit 
>> of the history of the Cardinal. It made me realize that rail trails all 
>> have a backstory rooted in a changing economy. Interesting!. 
>> On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 8:48:12 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:
>>
>>> I grew up in Richmond and am well aware that the Cardinal Greenway Trail 
>>> is a rails-to-trails conversion of the old C&O Railroad that used to haul 
>>> long coal trains from the mines in SE Kentucky and West Virginia up to the 
>>> steel mills along the Southwestern Lake Michigan shore.  I attended college 
>>> at Ball State University in Muncie during the early 70's and often saw 
>>> those freights along U.S. 35 as I drove that way many times.  But things 
>>> have changed significantly over the past 4 to 5 decades.  C&O abandoned 
>>> that stretch of rail once the steel mill industry moved largely off-shore 
>>> and the high sulfur coal from those mines was replaced by coal from Western 
>>> mines that was closer to the surface and had lower sulfur content.  Hence, 
>>> the abandoned railway is now the Cardinal Greenway.  I haven't lived there 
>>> in over 50 years and have never ridden the new trail.  As I understand it, 
>>> though, there are certain sections where some land owners have claimed 
>>> rights from the railroad right-of-way and have caused trail users to detour 
>>> onto sections of county roads for brief stretches.  This is particularly 
>>> true once one gets North of Muncie. One of these days I may have to drive 
>>> down there and ride that trail just for the nostalgia.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 6:01:17 PM UTC-5 Josh C wrote:
>>>
 My first attempt at this. The site is a bit old tech. It kept telling 
 me that my post was too long, so I broke it up. May have been the pic 
 size. 
 Sorry for the typo's. I think I got the point across at least. 

 On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 6:26:35 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:

> [image: IMG_0476.jpeg][image: IMG_0480.jpeg][image: IMG_0463.jpeg][image: 
> IMG_0465.jpeg]
>
> On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 6:23:16 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>
>> [image: IMG_0467.jpeg][image: IMG_0466.jpeg][image: IMG_0464.jpeg]
>> Both of these rides were accomplished on my Atlantis, a 2008 Toyo 61 
>> CM for those that want details. And yes, that’s a sign telling you not 
>> to 
>> drive your horse and buggy on the trail.
>> On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 6:20:20 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>>
>>> [image: IMG_0467.jpeg][image: IMG_0481.jpeg][image: IMG_0478.jpeg]
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 6:18:08 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>>>
 So, I went back and wrote the southern portion today. I drove out 
 to Richmond, IN, about an hour or so from Indianapolis on the 
 Ohio/Indiana 
 line, and headed north a little past, Losantville, IN for a total of 
 about 
 60 miles. It was a pleasant ride with at least 3/4 being in the shade 
 of 
 trees along the old Cardinal. I just thought I’d share.

 [image: IMG_0477.jpeg]

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Re: [RBW] Re: Ride report: Eastern Indiana Cardinal Greenway

[Brian Turner]

My buddy Huston and I rode the Cardinal Greenway back in the pre-Pandemic
days. We rode from Richmond to Losantville, and then took rural roads over
to Summit Lake State Park, where we camped for the night. It was a very
well manicured trail, but I don't recall there being much shade back then.
Maybe it has grown up a bit more since then. It was mostly corn on one
side, soybeans on the other the whole way. I'd like to go back and explore
more of the upper section of it.

On Tue, Jul 18, 2023 at 10:27 PM Steve  wrote:

> George, I went to school at BSU in the '70s as well.   Wound up in Muncie
> for nearly the entire decade.  Had some good times riding the backroads in
> that area. Some of it was on an old canti-framed Schwinn I paid $20 for and
> built up as a "Little 500" racer; drop bars, coaster brake, and a rattle
> can orange paint job.
>
>  I remember those long trains pulling coal cars - and getting caught at
> the crossings as they rumbled by. I had no idea though that they were part
> of the whole steel industry centered around Gary. Thanks for sharing a bit
> of the history of the Cardinal. It made me realize that rail trails all
> have a backstory rooted in a changing economy. Interesting!.
> On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 8:48:12 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:
>
>> I grew up in Richmond and am well aware that the Cardinal Greenway Trail
>> is a rails-to-trails conversion of the old C&O Railroad that used to haul
>> long coal trains from the mines in SE Kentucky and West Virginia up to the
>> steel mills along the Southwestern Lake Michigan shore.  I attended college
>> at Ball State University in Muncie during the early 70's and often saw
>> those freights along U.S. 35 as I drove that way many times.  But things
>> have changed significantly over the past 4 to 5 decades.  C&O abandoned
>> that stretch of rail once the steel mill industry moved largely off-shore
>> and the high sulfur coal from those mines was replaced by coal from Western
>> mines that was closer to the surface and had lower sulfur content.  Hence,
>> the abandoned railway is now the Cardinal Greenway.  I haven't lived there
>> in over 50 years and have never ridden the new trail.  As I understand it,
>> though, there are certain sections where some land owners have claimed
>> rights from the railroad right-of-way and have caused trail users to detour
>> onto sections of county roads for brief stretches.  This is particularly
>> true once one gets North of Muncie. One of these days I may have to drive
>> down there and ride that trail just for the nostalgia.
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 6:01:17 PM UTC-5 Josh C wrote:
>>
>>> My first attempt at this. The site is a bit old tech. It kept telling me
>>> that my post was too long, so I broke it up. May have been the pic size.
>>> Sorry for the typo's. I think I got the point across at least.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 6:26:35 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>>>
 [image: IMG_0476.jpeg][image: IMG_0480.jpeg][image: IMG_0463.jpeg][image:
 IMG_0465.jpeg]

 On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 6:23:16 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:

> [image: IMG_0467.jpeg][image: IMG_0466.jpeg][image: IMG_0464.jpeg]
> Both of these rides were accomplished on my Atlantis, a 2008 Toyo 61
> CM for those that want details. And yes, that’s a sign telling you not to
> drive your horse and buggy on the trail.
> On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 6:20:20 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>
>> [image: IMG_0467.jpeg][image: IMG_0481.jpeg][image: IMG_0478.jpeg]
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 6:18:08 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>>
>>> So, I went back and wrote the southern portion today. I drove out to
>>> Richmond, IN, about an hour or so from Indianapolis on the Ohio/Indiana
>>> line, and headed north a little past, Losantville, IN for a total of 
>>> about
>>> 60 miles. It was a pleasant ride with at least 3/4 being in the shade of
>>> trees along the old Cardinal. I just thought I’d share.
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_0477.jpeg]
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Ride Report: Hawksbill Slope cabin overnighter

[Danny]

Very enjoyable read and photos! Thanks for sharing Eric.

-Danny

On Thu, Nov 17, 2022 at 8:44 PM DavidP  wrote:

> What a fantastic loop and a great place to overnight. Thanks for sharing!
>
> On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 9:40:38 PM UTC-5 brizbarn wrote:
>
>> Great write up!  Not sleeping on a bike or hiking trip is the worst, but
>> the rest sounds dreamy.  Love the shot of the sunset with cabin.  I've done
>> a little hiking and camping, and stayed with my family in a cabin in the
>> area, so beautiful.  Thanks for sharing.
>>
>> On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 5:57:20 PM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Great ride report. Do you have pictures of inside the cabin? Or a
>>> map/link to the cabin?
>>>
>>> On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 5:22:44 PM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Ride Report: Hawksbill Slope Cabin Overnighter

 14-15 November 2022
 64 miles, 7,250 ft elevation

 [image: 05 Skyline 2 SM.jpg]

 This summer and early fall passed without any camping or overnight
 trips by bicycle. So a series of rides and ideas came together and I booked
 a primitive cabin for Monday night, earlier this week. I decided to make a
 loop of some fire roads I checked out in September with a stop for the
 night in the middle. Once I made the reservation I reached out to Paul R.
 to see if he’d like to join. To my surprise he was game for a Monday night
 out.

 Temperatures Monday were predicted to peak in the high 40s and dip down
 well below freezing up on the mountain where we’d be staying. Rain and snow
 were in the cards for our return on Tuesday and warming up to 38º. With bad
 weather and short days in mind we met at the cracking hour of 11:00 AM. We
 would have preferred to start earlier but obligations sometimes call for a
 late start or no start at all. I unloaded my Appaloosa and did a final
 check of my luggage and gear. Paul arrived with his XL Susie Longbolts
 shoved in the back seat of his Honda. Even with the front wheel removed the
 wheelbase barely allowed the back doors to close. By 11:50 we were on our
 way, with temperatures comfortably in the high 40s.

 [image: 02 Syria SM.jpg]

 The first eight miles took us through beautiful rolling countryside
 with cattle grazing, old brick houses on hills and the last rusty brown
 vestiges of crumbling foliage. We were on a mix of pavement and
 well-maintained gravel roads. The route took us through a neighborhood of
 small beautiful farms on a road that runs parallel to a stream. The road
 continued on in a way that felt like trespassing as we rode between barns,
 over corn and soy fields, past a tractor shed and through fields cut for
 hay.

 Next we turned onto a painted highway with a posted speed of 45mph and
 rode along for about two miles. During our first day this was our only
 stretch of riding with paint on the road. We skirted around a mountain and
 had our first fun and short descent on a twisty paved road. We pulled into
 a neighborhood of old apple-packing warehouses and a convenience store with
 a deli, likely a good place to stop, according to Paul who ran inside. Bulk
 candy, camping goods, deli sandwiches and the rest. We surveyed a few bins
 full of local apples that were stationed out on the road. I found my local
 favorite, the Black Twig and we got four apples for $2. They were
 fantastically good.

 [image: 03 Road SM.jpg]

 We enjoyed some more lovely country riding before starting on a long
 climb that took our elevation from 600 feet to 3,500 feet over 18 miles
 without interruption.

 The way up is via a wooded fire and maintenance road that is at times
 quite rocky but easily passible by bike… if your legs are up for it. You
 would need a serious 4x4 vehicle with clearance to make it up these roads
 and the few campers and people out fishing were in one-ton trucks. There
 are a few steep, rocky, loose descents on the way up, short reprieves from
 long and steady climbing. According to my GPS we climbed for three hours.
 We took one snack break early on and had a few quick stops but for the most
 part we were grinding away. Paul longed for a bag of potato chips, craving
 salt and tired of all the chewing required of his nutty trail mix.

 I don’t have many pictures from this section as I was very focussed on
 trying to make it to the cabin before dark. The early sunset and our vital
 camp chores were top of mind. Once we arrived we needed to gather firewood
 and water. Without electricity or plumbing we were reliant on the woodstove
 for heat and the spring for hydration. Stumbling around in steep and
 unfamiliar terrain searching for wood and water was something I hoped to
 avoid.

 As we were passing a gate with signs th

Re: [RBW] Re: Ride report: Shenandoah foothills

[Eric Marth]

Thanks Andy and Steve. 

Steve: The total mileage and elevation are at the very very top of my post, 
47 miles, 5,380 feet. 

On Tuesday, August 16, 2022 at 8:26:34 AM UTC-4 Steven Sweedler wrote:

> I also enjoyed your report, do you have total miles and elevation, using 
> RwGPS recently i find my hilliest rides approach and sometimes surpass 
> 1000’/10 miles.
> Steve
>
> On Tue, Aug 16, 2022 at 5:36 AM ascpgh  wrote:
>
>> That report makes me want to skip out on my obligations later this week 
>> and head out on a nice ride. 
>>
>> What makes a bike trip for me is summed up by your recollection and 
>> appreciation of details of the experience usually lost to those riding pace 
>> lines, hurrying through similar locales.  
>>
>> I'm less enthralled by the IG feeds of @upland_scuz_contingency who, 
>> despite the attraction of riding many wonderful places in Virginia, rarely 
>> appear to appreciate them as they seem bent on segment times and speed. 
>> Just because your bike has the means to blast through terrain at speed 
>> doesn't mean it provides the best experience. I have a similar aversion to 
>> the morphing of otherwise nice trails out in the woods with ramps, created 
>> drops and jumps because full-SUS enduro bike is able to handle it, (even if 
>> some riders can't, judging by volume of social media posts) . Not the "hand 
>> of man" signs I'm interested by when on a ride in the woods. 
>>
>> Riding is a stimulant of all of the senses if you bother. My kind of ride 
>> report, Eric!
>>
>> Andy Cheatham
>> Pittsburgh
>>
>> On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 9:52:21 AM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Shenandoah Foothills
>>> 47 miles, 5,380 feet
>>> Clear. Low 60s in the morning, warming to the high 70s, humidity at 50% 
>>> and below. 
>>>
>>> August in Virginia is typically a warm and uncomfortable month with 
>>> average temperatures in the mid 80s and often creeping into the upper 90s. 
>>> Humidity is unpleasantly high as well. The past few weeks were particularly 
>>> oppressive with humidity averaging around 70% (and often much higher) and 
>>> temperatures reaching the 90s most days. These temps have forced the smart 
>>> riders to depart at first light, drenched to the bone before 8AM. 
>>>
>>> We had a break from all of that this weekend with temperatures dipping 
>>> into a realm of unseasonable deliciousness. Low humidity, a cool morning 
>>> starting in the high 50s and a max temperature around 80º had this Saturday 
>>> looking too good to pass by unridden. 
>>>
>>> I recently swapped out the drivetrain on my Hillborne. I had been 
>>> running a Sugino XD2 with a 48/36/24, a Shimano 11-36 9-speed cassette, a 
>>> plain silver Shimano Ultegra front mech and a Shimano Deore XT M771 rear 
>>> derailer. These worked just fine but I found the chainrings left me 
>>> shifting at awkward intervals and I'd been wanting to try a compact double. 
>>>
>>> So I changed in a SunXCD crank with 42/26 chainrings from TA Specialites 
>>> purchased from Jitensha Studio in Berkeley. Because I found the Shimano 
>>> mechs were too ugly for my liking I sought out a Suntour Cyclone GT rear 
>>> and a Cyclone front derailer. These lovely workhorses seemed more 
>>> appropriate for the bike. I installed one of the new S-Ride 7-speed 
>>> cassettes from Soma Fab Shop, made with input from Rivendell. The movement 
>>> and tooth capacity of the rear Cyclone didn't agree with a 9-speed 
>>> cassette. And I swapped my MKS XC-III bear-trap pedals for MKS Sylvan 
>>> Gorditos specified by Crust. The bear-traps were uncomfortable for my very 
>>> wide feet.
>>>
>>> A friend sent me a used set of Rene Herse Snoqualmie Pass tires in the 
>>> extralight casing, which I hadn't tried before. I'd been running the same 
>>> in the standard casing for about a year. The new-to-me tires were buttery 
>>> smooth and I had no issues or flats during my ride. 
>>>
>>> Lately I have been enjoying Jobst Brandt's alpine tour reports with 
>>> sensational views, grand distances and unfathomable amounts of climbing. 
>>> I've also been reading Ray Hosler's collection of diaries from riding with 
>>> Brandt around the Santa Cruz Mountains in the 1980s. So inspired I made up 
>>> a route for myself that incorporated a few tough climbs on some of my 
>>> favorite roads. The length and elevation gain of my route doesn't compare 
>>> to their marathon rides.  
>>>
>>> From the start I began a three-mile climb over loose, unpaved road with 
>>> sections pitching up over 16% grade. I enjoy the challenge of making this 
>>> climb in one go but there is a shoulder with a wide mountain view that I 
>>> always end up stopping for. Pedaling up the climb, and some of the steepest 
>>> stuff I know, was manageable with my new gearing. I enjoy dumping the chain 
>>> from the 42-tooth to the 26-tooth ring when the going gets going. 
>>> Throughout the ride I had appropriate gearing to make it through without 
>>> much trouble. 
>>>
>>> [image:

Re: [RBW] Re: Ride report: Shenandoah foothills

[Steven Sweedler]

I also enjoyed your report, do you have total miles and elevation, using
RwGPS recently i find my hilliest rides approach and sometimes surpass
1000’/10 miles.
Steve

On Tue, Aug 16, 2022 at 5:36 AM ascpgh  wrote:

> That report makes me want to skip out on my obligations later this week
> and head out on a nice ride.
>
> What makes a bike trip for me is summed up by your recollection and
> appreciation of details of the experience usually lost to those riding pace
> lines, hurrying through similar locales.
>
> I'm less enthralled by the IG feeds of @upland_scuz_contingency who,
> despite the attraction of riding many wonderful places in Virginia, rarely
> appear to appreciate them as they seem bent on segment times and speed.
> Just because your bike has the means to blast through terrain at speed
> doesn't mean it provides the best experience. I have a similar aversion to
> the morphing of otherwise nice trails out in the woods with ramps, created
> drops and jumps because full-SUS enduro bike is able to handle it, (even if
> some riders can't, judging by volume of social media posts) . Not the "hand
> of man" signs I'm interested by when on a ride in the woods.
>
> Riding is a stimulant of all of the senses if you bother. My kind of ride
> report, Eric!
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
> On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 9:52:21 AM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Shenandoah Foothills
>> 47 miles, 5,380 feet
>> Clear. Low 60s in the morning, warming to the high 70s, humidity at 50%
>> and below.
>>
>> August in Virginia is typically a warm and uncomfortable month with
>> average temperatures in the mid 80s and often creeping into the upper 90s.
>> Humidity is unpleasantly high as well. The past few weeks were particularly
>> oppressive with humidity averaging around 70% (and often much higher) and
>> temperatures reaching the 90s most days. These temps have forced the smart
>> riders to depart at first light, drenched to the bone before 8AM.
>>
>> We had a break from all of that this weekend with temperatures dipping
>> into a realm of unseasonable deliciousness. Low humidity, a cool morning
>> starting in the high 50s and a max temperature around 80º had this Saturday
>> looking too good to pass by unridden.
>>
>> I recently swapped out the drivetrain on my Hillborne. I had been running
>> a Sugino XD2 with a 48/36/24, a Shimano 11-36 9-speed cassette, a plain
>> silver Shimano Ultegra front mech and a Shimano Deore XT M771 rear
>> derailer. These worked just fine but I found the chainrings left me
>> shifting at awkward intervals and I'd been wanting to try a compact double.
>>
>> So I changed in a SunXCD crank with 42/26 chainrings from TA Specialites
>> purchased from Jitensha Studio in Berkeley. Because I found the Shimano
>> mechs were too ugly for my liking I sought out a Suntour Cyclone GT rear
>> and a Cyclone front derailer. These lovely workhorses seemed more
>> appropriate for the bike. I installed one of the new S-Ride 7-speed
>> cassettes from Soma Fab Shop, made with input from Rivendell. The movement
>> and tooth capacity of the rear Cyclone didn't agree with a 9-speed
>> cassette. And I swapped my MKS XC-III bear-trap pedals for MKS Sylvan
>> Gorditos specified by Crust. The bear-traps were uncomfortable for my very
>> wide feet.
>>
>> A friend sent me a used set of Rene Herse Snoqualmie Pass tires in the
>> extralight casing, which I hadn't tried before. I'd been running the same
>> in the standard casing for about a year. The new-to-me tires were buttery
>> smooth and I had no issues or flats during my ride.
>>
>> Lately I have been enjoying Jobst Brandt's alpine tour reports with
>> sensational views, grand distances and unfathomable amounts of climbing.
>> I've also been reading Ray Hosler's collection of diaries from riding with
>> Brandt around the Santa Cruz Mountains in the 1980s. So inspired I made up
>> a route for myself that incorporated a few tough climbs on some of my
>> favorite roads. The length and elevation gain of my route doesn't compare
>> to their marathon rides.
>>
>> From the start I began a three-mile climb over loose, unpaved road with
>> sections pitching up over 16% grade. I enjoy the challenge of making this
>> climb in one go but there is a shoulder with a wide mountain view that I
>> always end up stopping for. Pedaling up the climb, and some of the steepest
>> stuff I know, was manageable with my new gearing. I enjoy dumping the chain
>> from the 42-tooth to the 26-tooth ring when the going gets going.
>> Throughout the ride I had appropriate gearing to make it through without
>> much trouble.
>>
>> [image: 20220813A 03.jpg]
>>
>> At the top of this hill, at an elevation of 1,300 feet, I took a rest for
>> some water. Though I had ridden fewer than four miles I decided to have
>> half of the sandwich I'd packed: peanut butter, banana, honey, coconut
>> flakes and salt on sourdough bread. As a fat burner I was worried how the
>> carbohydrates would treat me

Re: [RBW] Re: Ride Report: Hunqapillar on Monumental Loop

[Richard Rose]

This looks like a simply stunning ride / experience.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 2, 2022, at 4:56 PM, WETH  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> Thanks for the positive responses.  It was truly an amazing trip.  I'll 
> attempt to answer everyone's questions and comments in this one post.
> 
> Doug,
> Yes, I loved having the kickstand.  Although, I did joke about the extra 
> weight on a few occasions! ;)
> 
> John, 
> stopping in Hatch was a treat and a delicious one at that.
> 
> Patrick, 
> Desert Solitaire is a favorite book which I reread every few years.
> 
> Brad, 
> the AWC merchandise is just high quality! :) 
> The closet bed was my room at the B&B that served as a homebase.  It was 
> cozy. We averaged about 7.5 mph so I guess we were riding/hiking for about 
> 6-7 hours a day.  We'd go to sleep at sunset which was about 8pm and be up 
> about 7am and on the road between 8 and 9 am.  The route on bikepacking.com 
> has cattle tanks and restaurants well marked so we only had to carry enough 
> water to cover those distances.  I think we tried to have 4 liters each to 
> get us between most points.  I carried coffee and oatmeal for breakfast along 
> with snacks for days when we were not in a town for lunch and/or dinner.
> 
> John,
> The loop is not friendly to tires with tubes.  I had a tubeless wheelset 
> built for this trip and other trips I hope will follow.  I picked up lots of 
> goatheads, but I never saw evidence of leaked sealant.  The bikepacking.com 
> description states that tubeless is a necessity.  We both ran tubeless and 
> had no issues.
> 
> 
>> On Friday, April 1, 2022 at 11:25:33 PM UTC-4 John Rinker wrote:
>> That looks like near-perfect terrain for the Hunq, and that blue sky! Wow, 
>> that was worth the price of admission! Is the Loop friendly to tires with 
>> tubes in 'em?
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> John
>> 
>>> On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 6:09:54 AM UTC+9 Bob Ehrenbeck wrote:
>>> Excellent pics from what looks like a fantastic adventure -- so remote!
>>> 
>>> Bob E
>>> Cranford, NJ
>>> 
 On Friday, April 1, 2022 at 9:32:41 AM UTC-4 WETH wrote:
 I spent a few days with a friend exploring Las Cruces, NM and the northern 
 half of the Monument Loop 2.0 
 (https://bikepacking.com/routes/monumental-loop/).  I rode my Hunqapillar 
 and found it equal to the task.  The Monumental Loop contains paved roads, 
 paved bike paths, gravel paths, dirt roads of varying quality, single 
 track, and sections of hike-a-bike trails.  I find the desert therapeutic, 
 especially in early spring!  The camping spots we found were beautiful and 
 remote. We divided the northern half of the loop into three 45ish mile 
 days, which was the perfect pace at which to enjoy the scenery, to eat 
 meals in a few of towns we passed through, and to insure remote camping 
 spots.  
 
 Photo of the Hunqapillar here: 
 https://erlhouston.smugmug.com/Family/2022/Monumental-Loop--March/i-JwThrQ3/A
 
 More highlight photos of the trip here on Instagram:
 
 https://www.instagram.com/p/CbuahSlu6FA/?utm_medium=copy_link
 
 https://www.instagram.com/p/CbxCEBbuTbw/?utm_medium=copy_link
 
 All the photos from the trip here on SmugMug:
 
 https://erlhouston.smugmug.com/Family/2022/Monumental-Loop--March
 
 
 Hoping everyone can enjoy their favorite type of riding in 2022!
 
 
 Erl
 
 Kensington, MD
 
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Ride Report: 2021 Rivendell Bicycle Works Appreciation Pedalpalooza Ride

[Emily Guise]

Joyce, if you’re in the Portland area and can join that would be fantastic! I’d 
love to meet you IRL and we could #PlatyPose together 😆

-Emily

> On Aug 22, 2021, at 1:13 PM, JAS  wrote:
> Emily and Greg, thank you for organizing this ride and for sharing the 
> news/photos.  I will look forward to your next event; I'd love to join you on 
> my Platypus wearing wool on a cool fall day. 
> 
> 
>> On Sunday, August 22, 2021 at 10:13:17 AM UTC-7 Jimmy Warren wrote:
>> 
>> The Jackalope!
>> 
>> 
 On Aug 22, 2021, at 9:29 AM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
  wrote:
>>> Thank you for sharing the photos and therefore letting us look in on this 
>>> fun event! I would have loved to attend - looks like you guys had a nice 
>>> turnout and a great time. Two Platypuses and a coral Hunq! Wow!
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
> On Saturday, August 21, 2021 at 9:21:50 PM UTC-7 Emily Guise wrote:
> This past Saturday, my partner Greg and I led the RBW Appreciation 
> Pedalpalooza Ride in Portland, OR. Pedalpalooza is a regular summer event 
> here and it's basically fun bike rides about anything, led by anyone. 
> Usually it's only in June but this year it was June-August. It has been 
> so fun this summer and a great way to feel connected to the bike 
> community during COVID. It's meant a lot to me this year.
> 
> Greg  and I noticed there wasn't a Riv-themed ride like there had been in 
>  years past, so we decided to lead one! It was so hot and muggy on  
> Saturday, so we weren't sure how many people would come, but I was so  
> happy to see about 30 folks waiting for us at the start point in Creston  
> Park. After saying hi to people and admiring bikes, we had a round of  
> Riv trivia before heading to Coffee Beer for refreshments. Then we biked  
> along the Willamette River, with another trivia stop on the Esplanade.
> 
> Meandering  up to N Williams Ave, we had a shade stop at Dawson Park, 
> then rode up  to Golden Pliers for refreshments and to visit our local 
> Riv dealer.  Kevin and Becky are absolutely the best and they were so 
> excited to see  all the bikes. I was super excited to cool off in the AC 
> in the shop for  a bit!
> 
> At this point, we were down to about 10 people (as expected-we'd ridden 
> about 9 miles in mid-90s mugginess) but we had our last round of trivia 
> and then a few of us rode  to the Skidmore Bluffs to enjoy our drinks and 
> hang out in the shade.
> 
> Overall  everything went so much better than I hoped! Riv people are 
> really so nice, and this group was no exception. I got to meet a lot of 
> folks IRL  that I knew from online, and even the leader of previous 
> Riv-themed  rides. Greg and I are already planning on doing another Riv 
> ride in the fall and I really hope it will not be so hot so we can all 
> wear our wool. :)
> 
> Link to check out photos of the ride!
>>> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Ride Report: 2021 Rivendell Bicycle Works Appreciation Pedalpalooza Ride

[JAS]

Emily and Greg, thank you for organizing this ride and for sharing the 
news/photos.  I will look forward to your next event; I'd love to join you 
on my Platypus wearing wool on a cool fall day. 


On Sunday, August 22, 2021 at 10:13:17 AM UTC-7 Jimmy Warren wrote:

>
> The Jackalope!
>
>
> On Aug 22, 2021, at 9:29 AM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!  
> wrote:
>
> Thank you for sharing the photos and therefore letting us look in on this 
> fun event! I would have loved to attend - looks like you guys had a nice 
> turnout and a great time. Two Platypuses and a coral Hunq! Wow!
>
>
>
> On Saturday, August 21, 2021 at 9:21:50 PM UTC-7 Emily Guise wrote:
>
>> This past Saturday, my partner Greg and I led the RBW Appreciation 
>> Pedalpalooza Ride in Portland, OR. Pedalpalooza is a regular summer event 
>> here and it's basically fun bike rides about anything, led by anyone. 
>> Usually it's only in June but this year it was June-August. It has been so 
>> fun this summer and a great way to feel connected to the bike community 
>> during COVID. It's meant a lot to me this year.
>>
>> Greg  and I noticed there wasn't a Riv-themed ride like there had been 
>> in  years past, so we decided to lead one! It was so hot and muggy on  
>> Saturday, so we weren't sure how many people would come, but I was so  
>> happy to see about 30 folks waiting for us at the start point in Creston  
>> Park. After saying hi to people and admiring bikes, we had a round of  Riv 
>> trivia before heading to Coffee Beer for refreshments. Then we biked  along 
>> the Willamette River, with another trivia stop on the Esplanade. 
>>
>> Meandering  up to N Williams Ave, we had a shade stop at Dawson Park, 
>> then rode up  to Golden Pliers for refreshments and to visit our local Riv 
>> dealer.  Kevin and Becky are absolutely the best and they were so excited 
>> to see  all the bikes. I was super excited to cool off in the AC in the 
>> shop for  a bit!
>>
>> At this point, we were down to about 10 people (as expected-we'd ridden 
>> about 9 miles in mid-90s mugginess) but we had our last round of trivia and 
>> then a few of us rode  to the Skidmore Bluffs to enjoy our drinks and hang 
>> out in the shade. 
>>
>> Overall  everything went so much better than I hoped! Riv people are 
>> really so nice, and this group was no exception. I got to meet a lot of 
>> folks IRL  that I knew from online, and even the leader of previous 
>> Riv-themed  rides. Greg and I are already planning on doing another Riv 
>> ride in the fall and I really hope it will not be so hot so we can all wear 
>> our wool. :)
>>
>> Link to check out photos of the ride! 
>> 
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Ride Report: 2021 Rivendell Bicycle Works Appreciation Pedalpalooza Ride

[James Warren]

The Jackalope!


> On Aug 22, 2021, at 9:29 AM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thank you for sharing the photos and therefore letting us look in on this 
> fun event! I would have loved to attend - looks like you guys had a nice 
> turnout and a great time. Two Platypuses and a coral Hunq! Wow!
> 
>> On Saturday, August 21, 2021 at 9:21:50 PM UTC-7 Emily Guise wrote:
>> This past Saturday, my partner Greg and I led the RBW Appreciation 
>> Pedalpalooza Ride in Portland, OR. Pedalpalooza is a regular summer event 
>> here and it's basically fun bike rides about anything, led by anyone. 
>> Usually it's only in June but this year it was June-August. It has been so 
>> fun this summer and a great way to feel connected to the bike community 
>> during COVID. It's meant a lot to me this year.
>> 
>> Greg  and I noticed there wasn't a Riv-themed ride like there had been in  
>> years past, so we decided to lead one! It was so hot and muggy on  Saturday, 
>> so we weren't sure how many people would come, but I was so  happy to see 
>> about 30 folks waiting for us at the start point in Creston  Park. After 
>> saying hi to people and admiring bikes, we had a round of  Riv trivia before 
>> heading to Coffee Beer for refreshments. Then we biked  along the Willamette 
>> River, with another trivia stop on the Esplanade.
>> 
>> Meandering  up to N Williams Ave, we had a shade stop at Dawson Park, then 
>> rode up  to Golden Pliers for refreshments and to visit our local Riv 
>> dealer.  Kevin and Becky are absolutely the best and they were so excited to 
>> see  all the bikes. I was super excited to cool off in the AC in the shop 
>> for  a bit!
>> 
>> At this point, we were down to about 10 people (as expected-we'd ridden 
>> about 9 miles in mid-90s mugginess) but we had our last round of trivia and 
>> then a few of us rode  to the Skidmore Bluffs to enjoy our drinks and hang 
>> out in the shade.
>> 
>> Overall  everything went so much better than I hoped! Riv people are really 
>> so nice, and this group was no exception. I got to meet a lot of folks IRL  
>> that I knew from online, and even the leader of previous Riv-themed  rides. 
>> Greg and I are already planning on doing another Riv ride in the fall and I 
>> really hope it will not be so hot so we can all wear our wool. :)
>> 
>> Link to check out photos of the ride!
>> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Ride Report: Yakushima Island, SW Japan

[sam . perez . 2002]

Thank you for sharing.

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> On Apr 4, 2021, at 5:36 AM, John Rinker  wrote:
> 
> Indeed, Takashi, I did come across this quote several times in my reading 
> about the island. I got very lucky with the weather. The week before I 
> arrived it rained every day. Regarding a visit, I cannot recommend it highly 
> enough. The riding is easy and the camping is first-rate with some very 
> beautiful spots. Cheers.
> 
>> On Sunday, April 4, 2021 at 8:52:44 PM UTC+9 Takashi wrote:
>> Ah, Yakushima!
>> 
>> Thank you for sharing, John! I enjoyed your write-up and photos very much.
>> I've been curious about the island for years, but never made the visit. Your 
>> post makes me feel like I must visit there right away.
>> 
>> Looks like it didn't rain very much while you were there.
>> Perhaps you have heard of a famous quote from a novel by Fumiko Hayashi 
>> which says "They say that it rains 35 days a month in Yakushima."
>> 
>> Takashi
>> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Ride Report--La Ruta Loca 200k

[Bill Lindsay]

Bruce correctly pointed out that I’m running Rock and Roads. They are great 
great tires in my opinion. 

Bill Lindsay
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Re: [RBW] Re: Ride Report--La Ruta Loca 200k

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Please note that the ride was done on Bruce Gordon Rock ’n Road tires - they 
are available at https://brucegordoncycles.bigcartel.com 

Regards,
Bruce Gordon


> On Sunday, June 10, 2018 at 12:33:08 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Last Fall I did the Marin Mountains 200k and speculated that it might be the 
> hardest 200k brevet the RUSA catalog.  Yesterday, San Francisco Randonneurs 
> hosted La Ruta Loca, and the route owner Carlos (#4841) is pretty certain 
> this course is harder. It was definitely a monster. "The Crazy Route" was 
> crazy hard, and crazy fun. The main stats are: 125.3 miles, ~50 miles of 
> dirt, and 13,051ft of climbing. Here's my Ride with gps data:  
> https://ridewithgps.com/trips/24131333 
> 
> 
> 
> The weather report called for ideal temperatures, low 50s in the early 
> morning, slight general overcast and not many spots even approaching 75 
> degrees.  According to Rob Hawks, 25 riders gathered in the dense fog at 
> Crissy Field East Beach.  The pavement was very wet, like after a hard rain. 
> It was only fog, and there were times during the ride where I wished the fog 
> would come back. The only threatening part of the weather report called for 
> strong winds from the Northwest. I went with El Cerrito High School racing 
> kit, along with matching arm warmers, a reflective vest and that's all. I was 
> chilly to start but it worked out perfectly. The armwarmers didn't come off 
> until I was back in my van after the finish.
>  
> 
> I was trying to travel light as I wasn't bringing a lot of bag-space on my 
> Black Mountain Monster Cross. The bike's nickname alternates between Green 
> Meanie and Mean Greenie. I ran a 2x10 drivetrain, 42/26 in front, 11-36 in 
> back. My 700x43 Bruce Gordon Rock and Roads were about 'average' for the 
> tires I saw people running. Some of the bikes present were classic 
> rando-machines with Hetres or similar. Some were fully contemporary 'all 
> road' bikes with 27.5" Thunder Burts.  I only saw one flat bar mountain bike, 
> but now that I've done the route, I wouldn't hesitate to bring a light XC 
> mountain bike. At about 5:50AM we gathered for a pre-ride chat, and the 
> solemn SFR oath promising "not to do stupid stuff". At 6AM sharp we were off 
> towards the Golden Gate Bridge heading North into Marin County.
> 
> 
> 
> Unlike most other SFR routes, we didn't have to meander all willy nilly 
> through Sausalito, Mill Valley, Ross and the other southern Marin towns. 
> Instead we got right off the bridge and headed straight up into the Marin 
> headlands and got off-road immediately. The ride ended up being three 
> distinct sections. Section 1 was an epic 50 mile mountain bike ride, 
> punctuated with just a few paved connectors. Section 2 would be a basically 
> flat road ride punctuated by a few gravel stretches. Section 3 would be 
> another 30 mile mountain bike ride up and over Mount Tam. The first big dirt 
> climb was Miwok Trail, which started to sort people out, especially on the 
> descent of Old Springs. There was a broad array of offroad descending skills 
> on display. Some would bomb the descents 'full-send', while others were quite 
> timid. I landed somewhere in the middle. Throughout the day, I would notice 
> tight corners on a soft trail where a skid mark went straight when the trail 
> curved. The clear indication was that this was caused by a rider who brought 
> too much speed and not enough tire into that corner. The clear message was 
> that there was not going to be much long-term grouping up of riders. It's 
> hard to match skills exactly, and since this course was going to be hard to 
> finish within the 13:30 limit, waiting around was not a smart option. I 
> briefly latched on to a strong group up the steep technical Deer Park climb, 
> led out by Paul on a cyclocross race bike. I let them pace me up the climb, 
> but gathered pretty quickly that this would be the lead group, and I would 
> let them go after a while to 'do my own ride' and conserve my energy. I could 
> tell Paul was serious when he indicated he saved weight by only filling one 
> full water bottle at the start because he planned to stop for water at the 
> Pan Toll Ranger Station at the top of Deer Park. While he did that, I had 
> plenty and went ahead. He passed me shortly after that on the road climb to 
> the tippy top of Mount Tam and I wouldn't see him again. That long climb 
> included some paved riding up Pan Toll and Ridgecrest, but quickly got onto 
> the Lagunitas-RockSprings trail and hit the highest elevation of the day, 
> about 2200 feet. It felt good to be done with the longest steady individual 
> climb and to be at the high point of the route at mile 23. It was just a 
> down-hill century

Re: [RBW] Re: Ride Report--La Ruta Loca 200k

[Steven Sweedler]

Nice video Bill, quite a ride, a full day of fun.  Steve

On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 3:19 AM Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> Like it or not, I did manage to make my music video.  It's easier to
> motivate oneself to gather the footage if you have a concept ahead of
> time.  For me, 'concept' means a song.  The song is my own bootleg
> recording of "Kopi Luwak", played by the El Cerrito High School Jazz
> Ensemble.  My son Henry plays trombone for the jazz ensemble.  Check it out
> if you like.  It's about 5:30 in length.
>
>  Youtube link 
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
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Re: [RBW] Re: Ride Report: Quickbeam on Jersey gravel

[Patrick Moore]

I envy y'all your firm dirt surfaces. We have some nice riding along the
river, if you aren't looking for untold miles of uninterrupted paths or
roads, but I've found that 50 mm (actual) is the minimum that makes riding
this dirt pleasant, and 60 mm is better. I'd love to try some Compass EL
40-somethings on the Matthews.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Ride report / 1st tour on my Cheviot

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Wow.  Galion...about 15 miles apart

On Jul 30, 2017 8:47 AM, "WETH"  wrote:

Mansfield...about halfway between Columbus and Cleveland if traveling on
I71. You?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Ride report / 1st tour on my Cheviot

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Mansfield...about halfway between Columbus and Cleveland if traveling on I71. 
You?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Ride report / 1st tour on my Cheviot

[Jon Dukeman]

Wow! Small world... Where in Ohio?
Jon

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> Thanks.  I'm an Ohio native, too, and agree with you on the old buildings.
> All the best,
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Re: [RBW] Re: Ride Report-- Mini tour of SW New Mexico and SE Arizona

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks -- some 550 and 4, but much much less.

Do you know: would one have to get advance permission to ride across tribal
land?

On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 8:25 AM, John M  wrote:

> Patrick-- the RailRunner is your friend.  Roll your bike onto the train,
> get off at the Santo Domingo stop and the Jemez is a short spin away.
> Years ago I lived near Madrid and rode over into the Jemez from the
> southeast corner through the Dixon Apple Orchard.  Good riding there.
>
> Mojo-- you'd be interested to see the post-fire condition of the
> mountains.  The drainages took a serious beating during the monsoon floods,
> but seem to be recovering nicely.  Rustler Park looks good-- though it is
> now a high altitude grassland instead of forest.To answer your question
> about gear-- I have been backpacking for probably 20 years, so my outdoor
> kit is pretty refined and basic.  Stove, fuel, one pot for boiling and
> eating out of, water purification tablets instead of a filter and a
> multitool-- that's about the extent of the camping gear (plus tent, bag,
> pad).  But, my confidence about mechanical failures and improvised bicycle
> repair is less squared away.  I probably took too many spare bits and tools
> anticipating the break-downs that never came.  I could have gotten by with
> one spare tube instead of two.  What I left behind and should have brought
> was chain lube-- after about 200 miles of dust my chain was pretty vocal.
>
>
>
> On Friday, October 14, 2016 at 12:01:02 AM UTC-6, John M wrote:
>
>>
>> For years I have wanted to make a bike tour out of the quiet backroads
>> and hidden corners of SW New Mexico where I live.  But a whole litany of
>> excuses, both real and imagined conspired against it—didn’t have the right
>> bike, too hot, too windy, too little water, not enough time, not in good
>> enough shape, not safe to go alone, and on and on and on.  This year I
>> became the new owner of a barely used Hunqapillar and resolved to make it
>> happen.  About a month ago I sketched out a rough plan and started putting
>> touring equipment together.  Last Thursday after spending way too much time
>> agonizing over the final details and packing for my fears instead of my
>> confidence, I locked the front door and soft pedaled through town headed
>> south towards the bootheel of New Mexico, destined for the Chiricahua
>> mountains just over the border in Arizona.
>>
>>
>> I figured I could do 50 miles per day, with a mix of dirt and
>> pavement—though I haven't had many rides over 15 miles in the last few
>> years.  More worrying than my ability to go the distance was the
>> resupply—mostly of water, but also food.  Water, like towns,  are scarce
>> out here and I planned to pack enough supplies to ride straight through
>> each day without needing to count on uncertain water sources (cattle tanks)
>> or stores that might be out of business or closed for the day.  I spent 4
>> days touring, camping in Forest Service campgrounds or just out in the wide
>> desert on BLM land.
>>
>>
>> Pictorial highlights here:  Flickr photos
>> 
>>
>>
>> Route info here: Plotaroute 
>>
>>
>> Other than the Chiricahua mountains which are justifiable famous among
>> bird watchers (Trogons!) and outdoorsy folk, it was wonderfully desolate
>> out there.  Ranch trucks and the Border Patrol were about the only other
>> travelers on the roads.   On one 20 mile stretch of dirt road, I spent
>> three hours spinning away in the small chainring, climbing in and out of
>> small drainages without a car passing me, or even having one in sight.
>>
>> The bike did wonderfully—no mechanical failures or tire punctures.  I had
>> converted the Racing Ralphs to tubeless about a month ago to make sure they
>> would be reliable.  I still didn’t trust them completely and rode pretty
>> cautiously to prevent failure out in the boonies.  The bike came with the
>> Albatross handlebar, and though I am more used to riding with drops, the
>> Albas were fine.  I definitely missed the lack of *comfortable* hand
>> positions but they certainly didn’t prevent me from finishing the trip or
>> having a good time.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> john
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Ride Report: Mini-Ring the Peak Trail

[Patrick Moore]

Patrick, that looks lovely, and thanks -- I'll certainly arrange to stay a
day or 2 if I can afford the time and money -- and find a temporary home
for my now 2 dogs. Those roads are exactly what my Matthews is designed for.

BTW, I very much enjoyed our ride last August, despite my timidity and the
obstreperousness of the front disc brake. I wish it could have been longer.

We'll see.

On Sun, Jun 5, 2016 at 8:09 AM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> Patrick of the Moore, how's this look for our next adventure? There are
> drop offs to water, but the "trail" is a road and a wee bit wider. Grin.
> Plus train tunnels through rock. We could make it a family ride, with my
> eldest two and yours.
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/deaconpatrick/albums/72157669361066735
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Saturday, June 4, 2016 at 5:27:12 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> A! My first longer single track ride of the year. Delicious!
>>
>> Popped down to and then up the Pikes Peak Highway (Loads of traffic
>> because I was a laggard getting started, plus the test runs for the racers
>> of the Hill Climb were coming down with their big trucks and trailers),
>> branching off on the Ring the Peak Trail, which I rode past the stunningly
>> crowded reservoirs (fortunately not crowded trails, so I saw the crowds
>> mostly from afar) to Edlow Rd, and came back down (thus discovering that
>> for the moment downhill speeds and creosote scents are within exposure
>> limits!). What an amazing day and wonderful to get back out on the
>> single track!
>>
>> (yes, the astute will notice I’m posting these to flickr. The Grid isn’t
>> ready to handle a photo heavy sight yet, but it’s still in beta).
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/deaconpatrick/albums/72157669334583115
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Ride Report Gap-C & O Towpath

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we started in Harpers Ferry and ended in Connellsville without a problem-ya get 
the slightly tougher terrain out of the way first


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Re: [RBW] Re: Ride report: Catalunya and the Pyrenees

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This looks like a great adventure!

On Sat, Aug 22, 2015 at 8:58 AM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> Suh-weet! Climbing in those mountain sure gives opportunity to stare
> at your pur-ah-knees! Thanks for the report and pics.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
>
> On Saturday, August 22, 2015 at 8:32:34 AM UTC-6, Tom Harrop wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I was trying to think of a title on-theme with some of the recent
>> threads. Maybe "Slow riders! Pleasant weather! Inexplicably delayed ride
>> report!" will do.
>>
>> This past spring, three of us went for a short tour in the Pyrenees. We
>> arrived by train in Girona (Catalunya), before heading up into the
>> mountains via Olot and Camprodon and then crossing into France at the Col
>> d'Ares and descending to Argelès-sur-Mer where we caught the train home.
>>
>> The route is called 'Pirinexus', and there's more information here:
>> http://www.pirinexus.cat/
>>
>> We got really nice weather: flip flops the whole way! Generally we found
>> good places to stay too. We weren't camping but we tried to stay in 'Casas
>> rurales' rather than hotels where possible, which are basically BnBs
>> located outside the main towns, e.g. on (converted) farms, sometimes with a
>> historical aspect. In particular, the places on the Spanish side were
>> excellent.
>>
>> The route itself started on a nice gravel path for the first day and then
>> was mainly on-road afterwards. GPS was essential because signage is patchy
>> and there are some parts of the route that are definitely not finished, and
>> you end up pushing your bike up a steep goat track or getting your feet wet
>> crossing a river. I personally thought this added to the amusement, my
>> companions were not entirely convinced! The on road bits were mostly low
>> traffic. Consistent with the nicer towns, food and accommodation on the
>> Spanish side, the Catalan/Spanish drivers were more courteous too. The only
>> other bike traffic we saw was an organised race somewhere near Girona and a
>> few roadies enjoying the climbs: there was literally no one else who
>> appeared to be touring.
>>
>> I was on my 68 cm Bombadil, Cat was on her 54 cm Homer and our friend
>> from back home hired a bike in Girona (as an aside: they gave her a touring
>> bike, but it had 30 mm tyres pumped up to about 4 billion PSI. Sigh. She
>> didn't mind though).
>>
>> Absolutely stunning scenery riding up through green Catalunya and the
>> initial descent on the French side was breathtaking too. Here's the flickr
>> album: https://flic.kr/s/aHskeLjRQB
>>
>> Thanks for reading!
>>
>> Tom
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Re: [RBW] Re: Ride Report: Summit of the Patricks

[Patrick Moore]

Michael: please do get in touch if and when you come to NM. I can't promise
epic rides or magnificent scenery, but such as I can offer, I'd be
delighted to offer.

On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 3:05 PM, Michael Hechmer  wrote:

> Looks like great fun.
>
> My wife and I will drive x-country in mid Oct.  Maybe we could hook up for
> a ride?  I'll be coming back via NM for the men's Souarize conference in 
> Bernalillo,
> New Mexico (http://www.illuman.org) on Nov 6-8.  Maybe a ride there too.
>
> Not sure yet what bikes we'll take.  Probably the tandem.  Great for dirt
> roads but not so much off road - t looong.
>
> Michael
>
> On Thursday, August 6, 2015 at 4:24:42 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
>> We navigated the logistics and met at Rampart Reservoir while Patrick of
>> the Moore was here in the highlands. After mastering the astrophysics of
>> disk brakes and the sun spot  expansion of brake pad effect on his front
>> brake, we got underway and had an amazing ride.
>>
>> What a pleasure to meet and get to ride and share toil and sweat views
>> and flowers and amazing trail and road, including “you’re joking, right?”
>> roads with the added feature of providing toe floss for the shoeless. Grin.
>>
>> Thank you for a fantastic ride, Patrick! Fantastic gift.
>>
>> We Photoshopped, er, used a tripod, and obtained proof that we can be
>> seen together. Check out the evidence but please, don’t zoom in too closely
>> at the fuzzy pixels or incongruent lighting.
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/sets/72157656815085416
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Ride Report: O'Neill Park in Orange County California

[cyclotourist]

A real good time out. Would like to have met up down there, but you know,
stuff.
Great to hear about your phone!

On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 7:27 PM, drew beckmeyer 
wrote:

> awesome!  i never considered orange county as a camping possibility.
>  might have to make the trip down from la. looks beautiful.
>
> On Monday, January 5, 2015 1:34:13 PM UTC-8, Curtis wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Went for my first overnight of 2015 last weekend.
>>
>> Took the train from downtown San Diego to Irvine last Saturday.  Rode a
>> very pleasant 17 miles or so to O'Neill Park in Eastern Orange County.  The
>> ride was mostly on bikeway and dirt paths.
>>
>> Night time temps dropped to the low 30's despite the warmth of a full
>> moon. Woke up to a good deal of frost on the tent fly come morning.  On the
>> trail by 6:30 am to catch an early train back to San Diego.
>>
>> A very nice time even considering the loss of my phone.  A poorly turned
>> turn buckle allowed the phone to bounce out.  The phone was found and
>> returned the very same day.  People are awesome.
>>
>> Here are a few pictures:  https://www.flickr.com/
>> photos/97010676@N07/sets/72157650114997061/
>>
>> Ride well,
>>
>> Curtis
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Re: [RBW] Re: Ride Report: O'Neill Park in Orange County California

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I saw the monastery.  Looked very interesting.

On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 1:56 PM, dougP  wrote:

> Lots of those photos are of familiar spots.  There is a monastery at the
> top of the hill that Live Oak Cyn Rd wraps around.  When we get a group
> together to do this, we'll have to detour up there.  It's really
> interesting & they are quite accommodating on a Sunday morning.
>
> dougP
>
>
> On Monday, January 5, 2015 1:34:13 PM UTC-8, Curtis wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Went for my first overnight of 2015 last weekend.
>>
>> Took the train from downtown San Diego to Irvine last Saturday.  Rode a
>> very pleasant 17 miles or so to O'Neill Park in Eastern Orange County.  The
>> ride was mostly on bikeway and dirt paths.
>>
>> Night time temps dropped to the low 30's despite the warmth of a full
>> moon. Woke up to a good deal of frost on the tent fly come morning.  On the
>> trail by 6:30 am to catch an early train back to San Diego.
>>
>> A very nice time even considering the loss of my phone.  A poorly turned
>> turn buckle allowed the phone to bounce out.  The phone was found and
>> returned the very same day.  People are awesome.
>>
>> Here are a few pictures:  https://www.flickr.com/
>> photos/97010676@N07/sets/72157650114997061/
>>
>> Ride well,
>>
>> Curtis
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Ride Report: An account of my circumnavigation of the Great Lake Ontario on an A. Homer Hilsen.

[Trevor saxton]

Hello, I realize that my tongue in cheek approach does not translate well in a 
written format and my comment was intended in that way.   I do agree that there 
far too many drivers in Toronto who drive poorly around cyclists and it was 
definitely not an aberration, I myself have been struck by a car who illegally 
turned right on a red while I was going through the intersection on a green 
light; been forced into spilling my bike 3 other times by cars pulling over to 
the curb suddenly,  and had numerous other close encounters thanks to bad 
driving. 

In all frankness though, I must also comment that as both a cyclist and a 
driver I have come across a high number of poor cyclists in Toronto who cycle 
in both a brazen and unpredictable manner, creating undue risk for drivers, 
pedestrians and cyclists alike. 

I have lived in 3 other cities in Ontario and have never experienced such an 
overtly tense relationship between the "cyclists" and the "drivers".  
Unfortunately, I have heard too often from advocates inn both camps who state 
their position in absolute terms about what should be the rights and 
obligations of each which inevitably leads to a very positional approach, 
leading a lot of people to be either "pro cyclist" or "pro car".  I don't often 
get the opportunity to listen to or engage  advocates who put forward an offer 
to have a reasonable conversation about what a mutually respectful approach to 
transportation looks like and how can we get there.  

Some day, I hope we can all just get along...:) 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Ride Report: An account of my circumnavigation of the Great Lake Ontario on an A. Homer Hilsen.

[Kieran J]

It's definitely not an aberration! No shortage of lunatics in this town, at 
least when it comes to their driving habits :-/

If you do provide some feedback to the course designer, or if you choose to 
return to the area on your own outside of a formal rando scenario, be sure 
to check out the rural roads in Northumberland County (hills) and Prince 
Edward County (flat, scenic) to the east of Toronto, or the 
Hamilton/Ancaster/Niagara Escarpment region (hills, mixed terrain) to the 
southwest. 

There are some really nice riding opportunities in those parts, among many 
others.

KJ



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>
> Trevor,
>
> I didn't mean to paint all Torontonians with the same brush. There were 
> some who were safe drivers (thank goodness) However, the ratio of bad to 
> good and the extremeness of the "bad" driving definitely left an overall 
> negative impression and a sense that the bad driving was not an aberration. 
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Ride Report: An account of my circumnavigation of the Great Lake Ontario on an A. Homer Hilsen.

[Iron Rider]

Trevor,

I didn't mean to paint all Torontonians with the same brush. There were 
some who were safe drivers (thank goodness) However, the ratio of bad to 
good and the extremeness of the "bad" driving definitely left an overall 
negative impression and a sense that the bad driving was not an aberration. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Ride Report: An account of my circumnavigation of the Great Lake Ontario on an A. Homer Hilsen.

[Trevor saxton]

Great ride report, I've thought about doing a relaxed  ride around the lake, 
over 4 or 5 days, this gives me a good route to start with. Maybe next summer. 

As a resident of Toronto and a native of the Niagara region, I agree that 
riding along the lakeshore is a much nicer and safer way to navigate the city 
on 2 wheels, and many opportunities exist to add mileage in the Hamilton 
Niagara area. 

Ps we are not all reckless drivers in Toronto, some of us are very considerate 
of cyclists, I could write a very long diatribe about how seemingly 
inexplicably a pro car, anti cyclist mayor got elected in a major urban centre, 
but that's likely best left to a politics forum. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Ride Report: An account of my circumnavigation of the Great Lake Ontario on an A. Homer Hilsen.

[Kieran J]

Yeah, bad choice of place to pad on the miles. Would be a better idea to 
chart the path of least resistance through the city along the water, and 
add on some miles in the Hamilton/Niagara areas (nice riding out there!) 
Or anywhere else, for that matter..

KJ


On Tuesday, July 15, 2014 3:12:23 PM UTC-4, Jim Bronson wrote:
>
> Iron Rider didn't create the route.  It was run as an ACP brevet, so, it 
> would not be permittable to detour and still receive credit for the ride.
>
> http://www.rusa.org/cgi-bin/routesearch_PF.pl?rtid=913
>
> If I had to guess on the route creator's behalf, the route needed the 
> distance to equal 1000K and going around Toronto provided the opportunity 
> to pad the distance a bit.
>
> I am sad to hear Toronto is not a good place to ride a bike.  People I 
> know have always spoken of it fondly.  I guess not so much as a cycling 
> destination.
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 1:33 PM, Kieran J > 
> wrote:
>
>> Nice write-up. 
>>
>> When I got to the part about Toronto, I almost laughed. You nailed it! 
>> That's pretty much what this city is like; reckless hooligan car-nation 
>> drivers. I saw my partner nearly hit (and probably nearly killed) by a 
>> speeding driver right in front of me. It was a very close call, within a 
>> few inches. One of the countless scary encounters I've had while cycling in 
>> this city.
>>
>> Why did you not follow the Waterfront Trail along the lake, instead of 
>> going through the suburban wasteland to the north?
>>
>> KJ
>> Toronto, Canada
>>
>>
>> On Monday, July 14, 2014 6:07:38 PM UTC-4, Iron Rider wrote:
>>>
>>> A three day ride around a great lake:
>>>
>>> http://eprider.blogspot.com/2014/07/crossing-boundaries-
>>> lap-of-lake-ontario.html
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Re: [RBW] Re: Ride Report: An account of my circumnavigation of the Great Lake Ontario on an A. Homer Hilsen.

[Jim Bronson]

Iron Rider didn't create the route.  It was run as an ACP brevet, so, it
would not be permittable to detour and still receive credit for the ride.

http://www.rusa.org/cgi-bin/routesearch_PF.pl?rtid=913

If I had to guess on the route creator's behalf, the route needed the
distance to equal 1000K and going around Toronto provided the opportunity
to pad the distance a bit.

I am sad to hear Toronto is not a good place to ride a bike.  People I know
have always spoken of it fondly.  I guess not so much as a cycling
destination.


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> Nice write-up.
>
> When I got to the part about Toronto, I almost laughed. You nailed it!
> That's pretty much what this city is like; reckless hooligan car-nation
> drivers. I saw my partner nearly hit (and probably nearly killed) by a
> speeding driver right in front of me. It was a very close call, within a
> few inches. One of the countless scary encounters I've had while cycling in
> this city.
>
> Why did you not follow the Waterfront Trail along the lake, instead of
> going through the suburban wasteland to the north?
>
> KJ
> Toronto, Canada
>
>
> On Monday, July 14, 2014 6:07:38 PM UTC-4, Iron Rider wrote:
>>
>> A three day ride around a great lake:
>>
>> http://eprider.blogspot.com/2014/07/crossing-boundaries-
>> lap-of-lake-ontario.html
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Re: [RBW] Re: Ride Report: 11-Mile Canyon backroads

[Chris Chen]

Hear Hear!


On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 6:46 PM, dougP  wrote:

> Should anyone ask "Why do ride a bike?", this photo essay explains it
> all.  Thanks for taking the time to post.
>
> dougP
>
>
> On Saturday, May 3, 2014 4:16:54 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> My friend Steve picked me up and hauled us both to Lake George, from
>> whence we headed south a wee bit on paved roads before turning right onto
>> dirt, right past the fee area that doesn’t charge cyclists! That’s my kind
>> of fee area. Grin.
>>
>> Steady, easy climbing through amazing granite canyon carved by the river
>> (by Colorado standards) next to us. Then we turn off on Wagon Tongue Gulch
>> Road (who wouldn’t?), hop a gate, and start climbing in earnest. It’s all
>> forested here, so save for a few meadows and aspen groves, it’s all dense
>> pine. At the multiple “tops” (it’s a ridge we’re climbing up, so lots of
>> false tops). A bit of noisy forest work going on with chain saws, and we
>> turned around — to embrace a wondrous miles long winding and often
>> steep-ish descent with wild abandon!
>>
>> Spinning down the main dirt canyon road I was going fast enough the the
>> washboard was smooth (skipping over the tops of them), but Steve’s front
>> suspensioned bike did not, causing him to feel the washboard a lot more
>> down than up. Chalk another win for rigid frames and knees and elbows for
>> shocks. Grin.
>>
>> What a grand way to spend time with a good friend and enjoy a a lazy
>> afternoon!
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/sets/72157644086206387/
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Ride Report: The Hundred Mile Burger

[Lynne Fitz]

Rules for riders.  Especially article 10, unless you are a very speedy rider.
http://www.rusa.org/brvreg.html

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Re: [RBW] Re: Ride Report: The Hundred Mile Burger

[Lynne Fitz]

I just saw that!  Have you done a rando ride before?  If not (ignore if you 
know this already), we all start at the same time, bring a pencil and ziploc 
bag for your card, and don't lose your card :-)

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Re: [RBW] Re: Ride Report: The Hundred Mile Burger

[Chris Chen]

I'm registered. :|


On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 9:48 AM, Lynne Fitz  wrote:

> absolutely!  Want to ride out to the coast and back on Saturday?
> http://www.orrandonneurs.org/rba/2014/ThreeCapes_14/ThreeCapes_14_info.html
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Re: [RBW] Re: Ride Report: The Hundred Mile Burger

[WETH]

Chris,
I thoroughly enjoyed reading this and viewing your photos. Thanks a lot for 
sharing and for a bit of inspiration.
Safe cycling,
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Re: [RBW] Re: Ride Report: The Hundred Mile Burger

[Chris Chen]

Mike:

You do what you do, right?

cc


On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 10:41 AM, velomann  wrote:

> Chris,
>
> Great story. Totally worth it, I'm sure. Reminds me of the summer of '78.
> I was 18, just out of high school, working as a cook at Old Faithful Lodge
> in Yellowstone. Had a day off and a hankering for a buffalo burger and a
> piece of pie from the little cafe in West Yellowstone - 31 miles away. My
> bike at the time was a Montgomery Wards 10-speed and my riding duds Levis
> and a flannel shirt. Threw on a daypack and a water bottle and did the
> ride. Good burger and pie, for sure. And spectacular scenery along the
> Firehole and Madison Rivers. Mostly uphill on the way back including one
> pretty stiff climb up the Firehole Canyon, full stomach and heat of the
> day. I remember pulling into a picnic area along the river with about 10
> miles left and lying down on a table and falling asleep. My first long ride.
>
> Mike
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Re: [RBW] Re: Ride Report: The Hundred Mile Burger

[Chris Chen]

That's the magic, right? When it gets dark you don't think "oh shit, I have
two hours left before I go dark", you think, "well, the night is mine."

Not like batman, I mean, not unless you're into vigilante justice AND
bicycles.


On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 9:03 AM, Jeremy Till  wrote:

> This is exactly the kind of ride I envisioned when I built up the dyno
> wheel for my LHT.  So far, it hasn't quite come to pass, but ride reports
> like this give me hope.
>
>
> On Monday, April 14, 2014 12:41:14 AM UTC-7, Christopher Chen wrote:
>
>> Or: How I fell in love with my bicycle again.
>>
>> After the awesome ramble out to Mason Hill, I wasn't planning to do any
>> more riding this weekend, but a social engagement fell through so the first
>> thought I had was,
>>
>> "eff it, I'm going to Crown Point."
>>
>> I have evidence of this: https://twitter.com/secretasianman/status/
>> 455385037743988737
>>
>> But really that was a straw man. I really wanted to go to Bonneville Lock
>> & Dam, and probably Cascade Locks, home of the Char Burger and The Bridge
>> of The Gods, roughly 50 miles distant.
>>
>> I packed plenty of fruit and nuts and water, but forgot my maps, so I did
>> some psychic navigation to Troutdale and the Historic Columbia River
>> Highway. The Easterlies were strong today; I had to just pick a lower gear
>> and spin my way on the flats. It was not my favorite thing but the skies
>> were so blue and Mount Hood was so clear I nearly forgave the wind.
>>
>> The highway leaves Troutdale and enters the Scenic Area proper after
>> crossing the Sandy River. I took Woodard Rd., which is one of the first
>> turns off the historic highway, which takes you up the bluff in a direct
>> fashion. It was a hoot to see cabbage fields I had last seen when I did my
>> birthday ride on New Year's Eve. Woodard is a pretty honest direct climb.
>> To stay on the ridge (or close to it) I needed to move over to Mershon,
>> which has a few pretty rollers. This dropped me back onto the historic
>> highway just outside the Town of Corbett. In short order I hit the main
>> vista spots, the Women's Forum, Crown Point (where I hung out at the picnic
>> area nobody ever seems to use), Multnomah Falls (which reminds me of
>> Disneyland more and more every time I visit), and the Bonneville Fish
>> Hatchery, where you can see GIANT STURGEON.
>>
>> The last six miles of the ride to Cascade Locks was on the Trail portion
>> of the Historic Columbia River Highway, which I've come to like. Except for
>> the stairs. Oh god the stairs.
>>
>> The first restaurant you reach when you get to Cascade Locks is the Char
>> Burger, which is currently undergoing renovations, so I ended up eating in
>> the smaller restaurant in the basement, which is less "guns on the wall"
>> and more "waterfront dining". Oh well. BURGERS WERE HAD. I use the plural
>> because I took the burger of a customer who left after ordering. MORE
>> CHEEZBURGER FOR ME.
>>
>> I'd known that I wouldn't get back home before dark, so I was a little
>> apprehensive of riding on curvy country roads at night, but as it turned
>> out, this was the most magical part of the ride. By the time I'd reached
>> the touristy areas, almost all the cars were gone, and all I had to deal
>> with were clouds of Gnats. As the sun disappeared and the temperatures
>> started to fall, I found I had more energy. I've noticed this
>> before--riding gets easier when it's cooler.
>>
>> So here's the magical part: All the small towns were really quiet, and
>> way more charming at night than during the day. By 10pm most all the
>> businesses are closed, and it's just so quiet. I heard frogs! I adjusted my
>> dynamo light to point a little higher and I was able to see far in the
>> distance; the stars were out and the moon was nearly full.
>>
>> I returned back via Marine Drive, which is a road that is built atop a
>> flood control dike; It was a gorgeous night to return to Portland that way,
>> and the radar speed reader clocked me at 15mph, which I'll take any day.
>>
>> Pictures prove something, but mostly that I'm thinking about planning
>> more rides that go late into the night.
>>
>> ~100mi, leave noon, return 11pm.
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lumachrome/sets/72157643935581004/
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Re: [RBW] Re: Ride report: Wasco County Country Ramble / coffee break

[Aaron Young]

Cecily,

I have a pic of Bruce's sketch as well.  It shows the other side of the
page he drew.  Also, added a shot of Shawn and Julian (or is it Julius)
that somehow got left out of the original set.

http://flic.kr/s/aHsjKHZsj2


-Aaron "Keeper of The Dalles" Young
The Dalles, OR


On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 1:36 PM, Andy Smitty Schmidt <54ca...@gmail.com>wrote:

> Hey Cecily,
>
> Bruce is a man of the sea and the land. Often, as on this trip, he brings
> a sketch book instead of a camera. It's quite impressive to thumb through
> current and previous books and seeing the personal touch that is not
> captured in photographs. His blog has the occasional sketch, and the
> stories are worth reading. The majority of his sketches are only viewable
> in person.
>
> --Smitty
>
>
>
> On Sunday, October 13, 2013 11:58:21 PM UTC-7, Cecily Walker wrote:
>>
>> I'd love to see more of Bruce's sketches!
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Ride report: Wasco County Country Ramble / coffee break

[Aaron Young]

Thanks for all the kind words everyone.  Here's a few more pics from my
iPhone.

http://flic.kr/s/aHsjKHZsj2

-Aaron
The Dalles, OR



On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 8:18 PM, hsmitham  wrote:

> What a great ride, with good friends. I like what Zack said about the
> silence (no auto's) which has to ramp up the wow factor. And the descents
> looked amazingly fun. One of these days...
>
> ~Hugh
>
>
> On Saturday, October 12, 2013 9:40:31 PM UTC-7, AaronY wrote:
>
>> Hey gang,
>>
>> A group of 9 met at my place in The Dalles, Wasco County, Oregon for a
>> country ramble. The weather was a bit drizzly to begin with, but luckily
>> only threatened to rain and we had a dry, though overcast ride. Temps were
>> nice in the mid fifties.  The pack of nine endured a 50-mile loop to the
>> south and east of The Dalles with the majority of roads being gravel and
>> seemingly uphill; a few climbs had grades in the double digits. The terrain
>> in this part of OR is very hilly so each steep climb was paired with an
>> equally steep descent.
>>
>> Highlights included:
>>
>> - a pre-lunch lunch stop across from an abandoned school house which is
>> said to have been built in 1904 and next to an old cemetery with
>> gravestones with dates from the first half of the 1800's
>>
>> - a lunch stop in the rural town of Dufur where Zach treated us with
>> fancy and tasty hot coffee
>>
>> - miles and miles of nearly car-less gravel roads surrounded by
>> picturesque farms and wheat fields
>>
>> - a post ride meal at the local taco truck in downtown The Dalles
>>
>> Lots of pics are sure to follow.
>>
>> Aaron Young
>> The Dalles, OR
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Re: [RBW] Re: Ride report: Wasco County Country Ramble / coffee break

[Christopher Chen]

Brian, you're always welcome, but first you'll have to decide what bike to
ride. :)

cc


On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 1:43 PM, stonehog  wrote:

> Aaron - looks like a great ride!  So sad to have missed this one.  I was
> down that way a month ago for a camping trip, and the country surrounding
> The Dalles is gorgeous!
>
> Brian
> Seattle, WA
>
>
> On Saturday, October 12, 2013 9:40:31 PM UTC-7, AaronY wrote:
>>
>> Hey gang,
>>
>> A group of 9 met at my place in The Dalles, Wasco County, Oregon for a
>> country ramble. The weather was a bit drizzly to begin with, but luckily
>> only threatened to rain and we had a dry, though overcast ride. Temps were
>> nice in the mid fifties.  The pack of nine endured a 50-mile loop to the
>> south and east of The Dalles with the majority of roads being gravel and
>> seemingly uphill; a few climbs had grades in the double digits. The terrain
>> in this part of OR is very hilly so each steep climb was paired with an
>> equally steep descent.
>>
>> Highlights included:
>>
>> - a pre-lunch lunch stop across from an abandoned school house which is
>> said to have been built in 1904 and next to an old cemetery with
>> gravestones with dates from the first half of the 1800's
>>
>> - a lunch stop in the rural town of Dufur where Zach treated us with
>> fancy and tasty hot coffee
>>
>> - miles and miles of nearly car-less gravel roads surrounded by
>> picturesque farms and wheat fields
>>
>> - a post ride meal at the local taco truck in downtown The Dalles
>>
>> Lots of pics are sure to follow.
>>
>> Aaron Young
>> The Dalles, OR
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Ride Report, Part 1: Portland to Ozette, WA

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Great photos and report Chris I felt like I was right there with you. I love it 
when you PNW guys post, keeps me reminded of how much I love that part of the 
country. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Ride Report, Part 1: Portland to Ozette, WA

[Christopher Chen]

Funny enough, this fix really held for the remainder of the tour:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/lumachrome/9946222634/in/photostream/


On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 4:26 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> I wondered about the details on that. I am thankful for Nitto's Big Back
> Rack even when I just run the Large Saddlesack and no panniers -- it's easy
> to exceed the R-14's technical limit in weight, and you add in rough
> road/trail, that's a lot of force bouncing around back there.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
>
> On Sunday, September 29, 2013 5:18:49 PM UTC-6, Christopher Chen wrote:
>>
>> Whoops, a missing bit from the Forks entry:
>>
>> Forks to Ozette, 54 miles.
>>
>> In the morning, while I was checking my rack bolts, I noticed that the
>> strut that goes from my R-14 top track to the right seatstay eyelet was
>> cracked. I assume it must have happened two days previous, during my
>> adventure on South Bend-Palix Rd. I guess that would explain the sounds. I
>> fashioned a sling out of an Irish strap, and daydreamed about a big back
>> rack.
>>
>> ...
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Re: [RBW] Re: Ride Report, Part 1: Portland to Ozette, WA

[Christopher Chen]

A few tourists I ran into said they came that way, via the Crescent Lake
shore trail, and that it was mostly passable on a touring bike.


On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 9:01 AM, Shawn Granton <
urbanadventurelea...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Yeah, nice report Christopher! I've toured most of that area, so I'm
> familiar with what you talk of. I did a big Olympic Peninsula tour back in
> 2010 and ended at Lake Quinault. Like you, I wish I had more time to spend
> there. I didn't get a chance to go through Clallam Bay and then Ozette,
> either, though I definitely want to in the future. Interesting about the
> warning signs on SR 112, as there are only two ways between Forks and Port
> Angeles: US 101 (the main way) and SR 112/113. 101 is also pretty nasty
> with no shoulder, winding action, and lots of RVs for the 10 miles around
> Crescent Lake. They also have warning signs.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/urbanadventureleaguepdx/6953959277/in/set-72157629524154041
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/urbanadventureleaguepdx/6807851092/in/set-72157629524154041
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/urbanadventureleaguepdx/6953963943/in/set-72157629524154041
>
> I heard that "they" had the opportunity to convert the old railroad on the
> north side of the lake to a Rail-Trail like the Discovery Trail east of
> Port Angeles. But they opted to make it more a MTB trail instead. I don't
> know how good it would be for a touring bike, but maybe next time I'd check
> it out.
>
> And yeah, did you make it through the whole pack of smokes?
>
> yours,
> Shawn
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Re: [RBW] Re: Ride Report, Part 1: Portland to Ozette, WA

[Christopher Chen]

All is revealed in part II.


On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 8:47 AM, Andy Smitty Schmidt <54ca...@gmail.com>wrote:

> Did you make it through the whole pack of smokes?
>
> --Smitty
>
>
> On Saturday, September 28, 2013 10:56:08 PM UTC-7, Christopher Chen wrote:
>>
>> Ride description:
>>
>> https://plus.google.com/**103698290912864028533/posts/**ZdKuyf3iX4h
>>
>> Pictures proved it happened, but without captions yet:
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/**lumachrome/sets/**72157635903695075/
>>
>> cc
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Re: [RBW] Re: Ride Report, Part 1: Portland to Ozette, WA

[Deacon Patrick]

I wondered about the details on that. I am thankful for Nitto's Big Back 
Rack even when I just run the Large Saddlesack and no panniers -- it's easy 
to exceed the R-14's technical limit in weight, and you add in rough 
road/trail, that's a lot of force bouncing around back there.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Sunday, September 29, 2013 5:18:49 PM UTC-6, Christopher Chen wrote:
>
> Whoops, a missing bit from the Forks entry:
>
> Forks to Ozette, 54 miles.
>
> In the morning, while I was checking my rack bolts, I noticed that the 
> strut that goes from my R-14 top track to the right seatstay eyelet was 
> cracked. I assume it must have happened two days previous, during my 
> adventure on South Bend-Palix Rd. I guess that would explain the sounds. I 
> fashioned a sling out of an Irish strap, and daydreamed about a big back 
> rack.
>
> ...
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Ride Report, Part 1: Portland to Ozette, WA

[Christopher Chen]

Whoops, a missing bit from the Forks entry:

Forks to Ozette, 54 miles.

In the morning, while I was checking my rack bolts, I noticed that the
strut that goes from my R-14 top track to the right seatstay eyelet was
cracked. I assume it must have happened two days previous, during my
adventure on South Bend-Palix Rd. I guess that would explain the sounds. I
fashioned a sling out of an Irish strap, and daydreamed about a big back
rack.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Ride Report - The Cicada Ride (Brood 2)...or the Hatton Ferry, Yogaville, and James River Brewery Spin...

[Steve Palincsar]

On Mon, 2013-06-03 at 12:20 -0700, WETH wrote:
> Great photos and write-up.  We are still waiting for the cicadas in my part 
> of Maryland.  Guess I better get ready to share my rides with them!

Not necessarily.  There are large areas that have been skipped this year
that 17 years ago were teeming with cicadas.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Ride Report: Pikes Peak Continued...

[Deacon Patrick]

Ahhh. Yes, the late 80's were grand for smog on the Front Range (I grew up in 
Fort Collins).

With abandon,
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Re: [RBW] Re: Ride Report: Pikes Peak Continued...

[Eric Platt]

Patrick,

Actually, when we were there, the skies were often brown from smog.  A
situation that was being fixed at the time.  Funny, as this was before the
new airport, there was a lot of open miles from Denver to The Springs.

Would like to go back some day.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN
On May 13, 2013 6:15 PM, "Deacon Patrick"  wrote:

> Hey Eric,
>
> As you no doubt know, Colorado is known for blue skies, though we do have
> series of days that are cloudy/rainy. Hopefully, should you get out this
> way again, you will encounter the blue rather than grey. I imagine the grey
> made for a good excuse to be inside for much of your honeymoon though. Grin.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Ride Report: Pikes Peak Continued...

[Ron Mc]

Congratulations Deac, that's an accomplishment.  Thanks for the photos - 
really beautiful.  I went back and looked at the snow pictures, too.  What 
a hoot.  

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> Hey Eric,
>
> As you no doubt know, Colorado is known for blue skies, though we do have 
> series of days that are cloudy/rainy. Hopefully, should you get out this 
> way again, you will encounter the blue rather than grey. I imagine the grey 
> made for a good excuse to be inside for much of your honeymoon though. Grin.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Ride Report: Pikes Peak Continued...

[Deacon Patrick]

Hey Eric,

As you no doubt know, Colorado is known for blue skies, though we do have 
series of days that are cloudy/rainy. Hopefully, should you get out this way 
again, you will encounter the blue rather than grey. I imagine the grey made 
for a good excuse to be inside for much of your honeymoon though. Grin.

With abandon,
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Re: [RBW] Re: Ride Report: Pikes Peak Continued...

[Eric Platt]

Patrick,

Amazing photos and riding.  Was out that way once.  On our honeymoon in
1989.  Not once was it that clear.  Rode the train up Pike's Peak and
remember thinking it would be fun to ride out there some day.  Am totally
jealous, but the photos do jog some good memories.
Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN


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> adventure and photos.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Ride Report

[Steve Palincsar]

On Tue, 2012-01-31 at 12:11 -0800, Manuel Acosta wrote:
> Love the ride report. I have yet to cross that threshold into
> randonneuring. Hopefully this summer can put me on the right path. Any
> suggestions to someone who would want to do something like this but
> with no prior experience?

1.  Join RUSA.  When you do, you'll get a copy of the Handbook.  Study
it, it will answer most of your questions.

2.  Ride long rides.  Centuries are not only fun in and of themselves,
they're nice training rides for longer distances.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Ride report: Land's End road in western Colorado

[Mojo]

Then there is flattish dirt riding on top, with no water except what you can 
beg from car drivers. One can continue east to Highway 65 and do a loop back 
into the Grand Valley at ~120miles. I tried it once and called my wife 6 
miles from home for a bailout. Yes I was that hot and tired.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Ride report: Land's End road in western Colorado

[Tim Whalen]

Me too.  I'd sure be tempted to head over from Colorado Springs, it looks
great.  More and more dirt roads are about all I want to ride.
Tim

On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 11:53 AM, jinxed  wrote:

> So nice!
>
> Next time you decide to run it...drop a line! I would certainly make time
> to come up from Denver for a beauty like that.
>
> I've done a bunch of mountain biking in GJ, but never taken in
> the fantastic rides like this.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Ride report and photos from much-discussed SFR 115K Populaire

[cyclotourist]

There you go again repressing the proletariat.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAaWvVFERVA


On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 12:22 PM, William  wrote:

> Excellent write up, Esteban.  Even though your pictures don't confirm
> your presence, I saw you in other riders photostreams.  I really
> wanted to do that ride, but the life wasn't allowing it.
>
> Curious, did you feel your freedom and individuality unacceptably
> repressed by the regimentation of the cards, controls, and rules?
> Doesn't seem like it, but maybe you are just a follower by nature.
> (tongue in cheek) :)
>
> On Jul 20, 11:33 am, Esteban  wrote:
> > The spirit of this ride was just fantastic.  Lots of first time rando
> > riders, and lots, LOTS, of beautiful bikes, with plenty of Rivs (if
> > not Riv riders, including Gino, Franklyn, Clayton... and some other
> > folks from here).
> >
> > I had a great time on the Protovelo.  The bike had been up at my
> > mother-in-law's near Walnut Creek since April.  I put on Nitto 135
> > Rando bars and an 8mm stem to shorten the reach (60mm tt).  It felt
> > fantastic.  Lots more here:
> >
> > http://veloflaneur.wordpress.com/2010/07/20/when-driving-500-miles-is...
> >
> > Photos here:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/25671...@n02/sets/72157624403568465/
> >
> > Tired, but happy I made the trip,
> > Esteban
> > San Diego, Calif.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Ride report and photos from much-discussed SFR 115K Populaire

[nathan spindel]

Looks like a wonderful ride, Esteban! Thanks for the photos and the writeup.

I ended up having a doozy of a couple days beforehand, sleep & bike
repair wise, and ended up not being able to make it. My new rule is to
not do any bike repair the night before an event. :) Luckily I was
able to still take the RB-1 for a nice 50 mile Marin jaunt in the
afternoon.

Who is in for the SFR Winters 200k in October? It looks like an
interesting route. I haven't done any riding out there before.

-nathan

On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 1:04 PM, Esteban  wrote:
> You should have seen my eyes roll every time I asked for a receipt :)
>
> This was such a great event for SFR and riders in the Bay Area - so
> many different styles and new riders.
>
> On Jul 20, 12:22 pm, William  wrote:
>> Excellent write up, Esteban.  Even though your pictures don't confirm
>> your presence, I saw you in other riders photostreams.  I really
>> wanted to do that ride, but the life wasn't allowing it.
>>
>> Curious, did you feel your freedom and individuality unacceptably
>> repressed by the regimentation of the cards, controls, and rules?
>> Doesn't seem like it, but maybe you are just a follower by nature.
>> (tongue in cheek) :)
>>
>> On Jul 20, 11:33 am, Esteban  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > The spirit of this ride was just fantastic.  Lots of first time rando
>> > riders, and lots, LOTS, of beautiful bikes, with plenty of Rivs (if
>> > not Riv riders, including Gino, Franklyn, Clayton... and some other
>> > folks from here).
>>
>> > I had a great time on the Protovelo.  The bike had been up at my
>> > mother-in-law's near Walnut Creek since April.  I put on Nitto 135
>> > Rando bars and an 8mm stem to shorten the reach (60mm tt).  It felt
>> > fantastic.  Lots more here:
>>
>> >http://veloflaneur.wordpress.com/2010/07/20/when-driving-500-miles-is...
>>
>> > Photos 
>> > here:http://www.flickr.com/photos/25671...@n02/sets/72157624403568465/
>>
>> > Tired, but happy I made the trip,
>> > Esteban
>> > San Diego, Calif.
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RE: [RBW] Re: Ride Report Cache Valley Utah

[Frederick, Steve]

I shouldn't think he was referring to the Bridgestone Atlantis--pretty sure it 
was a Japan/home only product.  

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So this guy may have been more savvy than I thought.  Always kinda
wondered about that "2".

dougP

On Jun 28, 1:44 pm, Seth Vidal  wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 4:29 PM, doug peterson  wrote:
> > A guys was checking out my Atlantis one day & commented he hadn't seen
> > an Atlantis in many years.  His age suggested he'd been around bikes
> > for a while.  Perhaps Riv isn't the first one to use the name
> > Atlantis?  Or in the dim mists of time there was a manufacturer by
> > that name?  Most likely the guy was just assuming it was a nice old
> > bike.  It's sorta fun to tell people, yea, it's old; 7 years old this
> > year.
>
> bridgestone made an atlantis.. That's why the riv atlantises are atlantis2.
>
> -sv

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RE: [RBW] Re: Ride Report Cache Valley Utah

[Frederick, Steve]

juarez wrote, in part:
...While I understand that a Riv owner might experience some
consternation that their expensive bike might be mistaken for a less
expensive older model, I don't think one can really fault a casual
observer. After all, Rivendells do look like older bikes in many ways
-- it's hard to deny that.


Deny it?  Heck, that's what I like about them!  B-)

Steve

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Re: [RBW] Re: Ride Report Cache Valley Utah

[PATRICK MOORE]

I get a similar reaction when people ask, about one of my Rivs, the commuter
with hammered Honjos, "How *old* is that bike!!??" and I reply, "Hmm,
lessee, 2003?"

On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 3:43 PM, CycloFiend wrote:

> on 6/28/10 1:29 PM, juarez at juarez@gmail.com wrote:
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> > While I understand that a Riv owner might experience some
> > consternation that their expensive bike might be mistaken for a less
> > expensive older model, I don't think one can really fault a casual
> > observer. After all, Rivendells do look like older bikes in many ways
> > -- it's hard to deny that.
>
> I think that's part of the fun of owning one. I find it funny that folks
> who
> see barend shifters and round-tubed-frames assume an older bicycle.  Always
> feel like I have the opportunity to broaden someone's awareness when they
> say that.
>
> But, I'm not sure I agree with your point about the price tag being the
> issue. That didn't seem to be implied or implicit in the OP's comment.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Ride Report Cache Valley Utah

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on 6/28/10 6:11 PM, doug peterson at dougpn...@cox.net wrote:

> So this guy may have been more savvy than I thought.  Always kinda
> wondered about that "2".

Dunno... I don't think there were ever a lot of the original Atlantii
around. Maybe he was thrown off by the not-quite-celeste color scheme.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Ride Report Cache Valley Utah

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on 6/28/10 1:29 PM, juarez at juarez@gmail.com wrote:

> While I understand that a Riv owner might experience some
> consternation that their expensive bike might be mistaken for a less
> expensive older model, I don't think one can really fault a casual
> observer. After all, Rivendells do look like older bikes in many ways
> -- it's hard to deny that.

I think that's part of the fun of owning one. I find it funny that folks who
see barend shifters and round-tubed-frames assume an older bicycle.  Always
feel like I have the opportunity to broaden someone's awareness when they
say that.

But, I'm not sure I agree with your point about the price tag being the
issue. That didn't seem to be implied or implicit in the OP's comment.

- Jim

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Re: [RBW] Re: Ride Report Cache Valley Utah

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on 6/28/10 1:29 PM, doug peterson at dougpn...@cox.net wrote:

> A guys was checking out my Atlantis one day & commented he hadn't seen
> an Atlantis in many years.  His age suggested he'd been around bikes
> for a while.  Perhaps Riv isn't the first one to use the name
> Atlantis?  Or in the dim mists of time there was a manufacturer by
> that name?  Most likely the guy was just assuming it was a nice old
> bike.  It's sorta fun to tell people, yea, it's old; 7 years old this
> year.

Thanks to Gino, I now tell 'em "...it's an aught-six" on the Quickbeam, or
"aught-eight" on the Hilsen.  You can literally watch the gears resetting on
their brains while they ponder the variables in that statement.

Of course, always said with a smile... ;^)

On Sunday's loop, while wading through swoopy carbon frames, passing through
the Nicasio store for some fluids, someone said my bike (QB) looked ready
for L'Eroica.  

I think he gets extra points for context.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Ride Report Cache Valley Utah

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On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 4:29 PM, doug peterson  wrote:
> A guys was checking out my Atlantis one day & commented he hadn't seen
> an Atlantis in many years.  His age suggested he'd been around bikes
> for a while.  Perhaps Riv isn't the first one to use the name
> Atlantis?  Or in the dim mists of time there was a manufacturer by
> that name?  Most likely the guy was just assuming it was a nice old
> bike.  It's sorta fun to tell people, yea, it's old; 7 years old this
> year.
>

bridgestone made an atlantis.. That's why the riv atlantises are atlantis2.

-sv

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