Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis special disc edition

2024-01-22 Thread Patrick Moore 
I went as far as needed.

On Mon, Jan 22, 2024 at 12:54 PM George Schick  wrote:

> Thanks, Patrick.  But you went a wee bit further than I had intended for
> the definition.  All's OK though!
>
>
> On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 1:49:45 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Can't resist. Sandburg's literary style is an analogue of the painting
>> style of Grant Wood.
>>
>> Chicago
>> BY CARL SANDBURG
>> Hog Butcher for the World,
>>Tool Maker, Stacker of Wheat,
>>Player with Railroads and the Nation's Freight Handler;
>>Stormy, husky, brawling,
>>City of the Big Shoulders:
>>
>> They tell me you are wicked and I believe them, for I have seen your
>> painted women under the gas lamps luring the farm boys.
>> And they tell me you are crooked and I answer: Yes, it is true I have
>> seen the gunman kill and go free to kill again.
>> And they tell me you are brutal and my reply is: On the faces of women
>> and children I have seen the marks of wanton hunger.
>> And having answered so I turn once more to those who sneer at this my
>> city, and I give them back the sneer and say to them:
>> Come and show me another city with lifted head singing so proud to be
>> alive and coarse and strong and cunning.
>> Flinging magnetic curses amid the toil of piling job on job, here is a
>> tall bold slugger set vivid against the little soft cities;
>> Fierce as a dog with tongue lapping for action, cunning as a savage
>> pitted against the wilderness,
>>Bareheaded,
>>Shoveling,
>>Wrecking,
>>Planning,
>>Building, breaking, rebuilding,
>> Under the smoke, dust all over his mouth, laughing with white teeth,
>> Under the terrible burden of destiny laughing as a young man laughs,
>> Laughing even as an ignorant fighter laughs who has never lost a battle,
>> Bragging and laughing that under his wrist is the pulse, and under his
>> ribs the heart of the people,
>>Laughing!
>> Laughing the stormy, husky, brawling laughter of Youth, half-naked,
>> sweating, proud to be Hog Butcher, Tool Maker, Stacker of Wheat, Player
>> with Railroads and Freight Handler to the Nation.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 22, 2024 at 12:46 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>>> Answer that and you'll understand "bleed like a stuck pig" and "high on
>>> the hog." Also apparently "kick the bucket."
>>>
>>> "Hog butcher for the world ..."
>>>
>>> Patrick "Yes I looked it up but I had a suspicion" Moore, who has read
>>> Carl Sandburg.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 22, 2024 at 11:08 AM George Schick  wrote:
>>>
 Ah, well do you know what that expression actually means?


 On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 12:01:03 PM UTC-6 [email protected] wrote:

> On Mon, Jan 22, 2024 at 9:39 AM George Schick 
> wrote:
>
>> Piaw, what part of the country are you from?  The expression,
>> "...squeal like a stuck pig..." is something I rarely hear outside of the
>> Midwest where I live (well, maybe the South or even the Plain states, not
>> sure).  Seems to me like most folk out there on the West Coast wouldn't
>> know what you meant by that and would just give you a funny look.
>>
>
> I grew up in Singapore, nowhere near the USA. I think it was an
> expression I either picked up from reading or from co-workers. Certainly
> the sounds of disc brakes squealing are common here in the mountain bike
> parks. I will say that not just disc brakes are guilty of said squealing.
> Cantilvers and V-brakes are also known to squeal. Sidepulls by contrast do
> not.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis special disc edition

2024-01-22 Thread George Schick 
Thanks, Patrick.  But you went a wee bit further than I had intended for 
the definition.  All's OK though!


On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 1:49:45 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Can't resist. Sandburg's literary style is an analogue of the painting 
> style of Grant Wood. 
>
> Chicago
> BY CARL SANDBURG
> Hog Butcher for the World,
>Tool Maker, Stacker of Wheat,
>Player with Railroads and the Nation's Freight Handler;
>Stormy, husky, brawling,
>City of the Big Shoulders:
>
> They tell me you are wicked and I believe them, for I have seen your 
> painted women under the gas lamps luring the farm boys.
> And they tell me you are crooked and I answer: Yes, it is true I have seen 
> the gunman kill and go free to kill again.
> And they tell me you are brutal and my reply is: On the faces of women and 
> children I have seen the marks of wanton hunger.
> And having answered so I turn once more to those who sneer at this my 
> city, and I give them back the sneer and say to them:
> Come and show me another city with lifted head singing so proud to be 
> alive and coarse and strong and cunning.
> Flinging magnetic curses amid the toil of piling job on job, here is a 
> tall bold slugger set vivid against the little soft cities;
> Fierce as a dog with tongue lapping for action, cunning as a savage pitted 
> against the wilderness,
>Bareheaded,
>Shoveling,
>Wrecking,
>Planning,
>Building, breaking, rebuilding,
> Under the smoke, dust all over his mouth, laughing with white teeth,
> Under the terrible burden of destiny laughing as a young man laughs,
> Laughing even as an ignorant fighter laughs who has never lost a battle,
> Bragging and laughing that under his wrist is the pulse, and under his 
> ribs the heart of the people,
>Laughing!
> Laughing the stormy, husky, brawling laughter of Youth, half-naked, 
> sweating, proud to be Hog Butcher, Tool Maker, Stacker of Wheat, Player 
> with Railroads and Freight Handler to the Nation.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 22, 2024 at 12:46 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> Answer that and you'll understand "bleed like a stuck pig" and "high on 
>> the hog." Also apparently "kick the bucket."
>>
>> "Hog butcher for the world ..."
>>
>> Patrick "Yes I looked it up but I had a suspicion" Moore, who has read 
>> Carl Sandburg.
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 22, 2024 at 11:08 AM George Schick  wrote:
>>
>>> Ah, well do you know what that expression actually means?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 12:01:03 PM UTC-6 [email protected] wrote:
>>>
 On Mon, Jan 22, 2024 at 9:39 AM George Schick  wrote:

> Piaw, what part of the country are you from?  The expression, 
> "...squeal like a stuck pig..." is something I rarely hear outside of the 
> Midwest where I live (well, maybe the South or even the Plain states, not 
> sure).  Seems to me like most folk out there on the West Coast wouldn't 
> know what you meant by that and would just give you a funny look.
>

 I grew up in Singapore, nowhere near the USA. I think it was an 
 expression I either picked up from reading or from co-workers. Certainly 
 the sounds of disc brakes squealing are common here in the mountain bike 
 parks. I will say that not just disc brakes are guilty of said squealing. 
 Cantilvers and V-brakes are also known to squeal. Sidepulls by contrast do 
 not.

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>>
>>
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>>
>> ---
>>
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>>
>> ---
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>> *When thou didst not, savage, k**now thine own meaning,*
>>
>> *But wouldst gabble like a** thing most brutish,*
>>
>> *I endowed thy purposes w**ith words that made them known.*
>>
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis special disc edition

2024-01-22 Thread Patrick Moore 
Can't resist. Sandburg's literary style is an analogue of the painting
style of Grant Wood.

Chicago
BY CARL SANDBURG
Hog Butcher for the World,
   Tool Maker, Stacker of Wheat,
   Player with Railroads and the Nation's Freight Handler;
   Stormy, husky, brawling,
   City of the Big Shoulders:

They tell me you are wicked and I believe them, for I have seen your
painted women under the gas lamps luring the farm boys.
And they tell me you are crooked and I answer: Yes, it is true I have seen
the gunman kill and go free to kill again.
And they tell me you are brutal and my reply is: On the faces of women and
children I have seen the marks of wanton hunger.
And having answered so I turn once more to those who sneer at this my city,
and I give them back the sneer and say to them:
Come and show me another city with lifted head singing so proud to be alive
and coarse and strong and cunning.
Flinging magnetic curses amid the toil of piling job on job, here is a tall
bold slugger set vivid against the little soft cities;
Fierce as a dog with tongue lapping for action, cunning as a savage pitted
against the wilderness,
   Bareheaded,
   Shoveling,
   Wrecking,
   Planning,
   Building, breaking, rebuilding,
Under the smoke, dust all over his mouth, laughing with white teeth,
Under the terrible burden of destiny laughing as a young man laughs,
Laughing even as an ignorant fighter laughs who has never lost a battle,
Bragging and laughing that under his wrist is the pulse, and under his ribs
the heart of the people,
   Laughing!
Laughing the stormy, husky, brawling laughter of Youth, half-naked,
sweating, proud to be Hog Butcher, Tool Maker, Stacker of Wheat, Player
with Railroads and Freight Handler to the Nation.



On Mon, Jan 22, 2024 at 12:46 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Answer that and you'll understand "bleed like a stuck pig" and "high on
> the hog." Also apparently "kick the bucket."
>
> "Hog butcher for the world ..."
>
> Patrick "Yes I looked it up but I had a suspicion" Moore, who has read
> Carl Sandburg.
>
> On Mon, Jan 22, 2024 at 11:08 AM George Schick  wrote:
>
>> Ah, well do you know what that expression actually means?
>>
>>
>> On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 12:01:03 PM UTC-6 [email protected] wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 22, 2024 at 9:39 AM George Schick  wrote:
>>>
 Piaw, what part of the country are you from?  The expression,
 "...squeal like a stuck pig..." is something I rarely hear outside of the
 Midwest where I live (well, maybe the South or even the Plain states, not
 sure).  Seems to me like most folk out there on the West Coast wouldn't
 know what you meant by that and would just give you a funny look.

>>>
>>> I grew up in Singapore, nowhere near the USA. I think it was an
>>> expression I either picked up from reading or from co-workers. Certainly
>>> the sounds of disc brakes squealing are common here in the mountain bike
>>> parks. I will say that not just disc brakes are guilty of said squealing.
>>> Cantilvers and V-brakes are also known to squeal. Sidepulls by contrast do
>>> not.
>>>
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>
>
> --
>
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>
> ---
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>
>
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> *When thou didst not, savage, k**now thine own meaning,*
>
> *But wouldst gabble like a** thing most brutish,*
>
> *I endowed thy purposes w**ith words that made them known.*
>


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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis special disc edition

2024-01-22 Thread Patrick Moore 
Answer that and you'll understand "bleed like a stuck pig" and "high on the
hog." Also apparently "kick the bucket."

"Hog butcher for the world ..."

Patrick "Yes I looked it up but I had a suspicion" Moore, who has read Carl
Sandburg.

On Mon, Jan 22, 2024 at 11:08 AM George Schick  wrote:

> Ah, well do you know what that expression actually means?
>
>
> On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 12:01:03 PM UTC-6 [email protected] wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Jan 22, 2024 at 9:39 AM George Schick  wrote:
>>
>>> Piaw, what part of the country are you from?  The expression, "...squeal
>>> like a stuck pig..." is something I rarely hear outside of the Midwest
>>> where I live (well, maybe the South or even the Plain states, not sure).
>>> Seems to me like most folk out there on the West Coast wouldn't know what
>>> you meant by that and would just give you a funny look.
>>>
>>
>> I grew up in Singapore, nowhere near the USA. I think it was an
>> expression I either picked up from reading or from co-workers. Certainly
>> the sounds of disc brakes squealing are common here in the mountain bike
>> parks. I will say that not just disc brakes are guilty of said squealing.
>> Cantilvers and V-brakes are also known to squeal. Sidepulls by contrast do
>> not.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis special disc edition

2024-01-22 Thread Patrick Moore 
Calipers can squeal too. I had a pair of to quality -- forged -- single
pivots of which the front squealed only in cold weather -- this with good
condition salmon pads. The same brake and pads had not squealed on an
earlier bike.

On Mon, Jan 22, 2024 at 11:01 AM Piaw Na(藍俊彪)  wrote:

>
>
> On Mon, Jan 22, 2024 at 9:39 AM George Schick  wrote:
>
>> ... I will say that not just disc brakes are guilty of said squealing.
>> Cantilvers and V-brakes are also known to squeal. Sidepulls by contrast do
>> not.
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis special disc edition

2024-01-22 Thread George Schick 
Ah, well do you know what that expression actually means?


On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 12:01:03 PM UTC-6 [email protected] wrote:

> On Mon, Jan 22, 2024 at 9:39 AM George Schick  wrote:
>
>> Piaw, what part of the country are you from?  The expression, "...squeal 
>> like a stuck pig..." is something I rarely hear outside of the Midwest 
>> where I live (well, maybe the South or even the Plain states, not sure).  
>> Seems to me like most folk out there on the West Coast wouldn't know what 
>> you meant by that and would just give you a funny look.
>>
>
> I grew up in Singapore, nowhere near the USA. I think it was an expression 
> I either picked up from reading or from co-workers. Certainly the sounds of 
> disc brakes squealing are common here in the mountain bike parks. I will 
> say that not just disc brakes are guilty of said squealing. Cantilvers and 
> V-brakes are also known to squeal. Sidepulls by contrast do not.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis special disc edition

2024-01-22 Thread 藍俊彪 
On Mon, Jan 22, 2024 at 9:39 AM George Schick  wrote:

> Piaw, what part of the country are you from?  The expression, "...squeal
> like a stuck pig..." is something I rarely hear outside of the Midwest
> where I live (well, maybe the South or even the Plain states, not sure).
> Seems to me like most folk out there on the West Coast wouldn't know what
> you meant by that and would just give you a funny look.
>

I grew up in Singapore, nowhere near the USA. I think it was an expression
I either picked up from reading or from co-workers. Certainly the sounds of
disc brakes squealing are common here in the mountain bike parks. I will
say that not just disc brakes are guilty of said squealing. Cantilvers and
V-brakes are also known to squeal. Sidepulls by contrast do not.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis special disc edition

2024-01-22 Thread George Schick 
Piaw, what part of the country are you from?  The expression, "...squeal 
like a stuck pig..." is something I rarely hear outside of the Midwest 
where I live (well, maybe the South or even the Plain states, not sure).  
Seems to me like most folk out there on the West Coast wouldn't know what 
you meant by that and would just give you a funny look.

On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 11:20:26 AM UTC-6 [email protected] wrote:

> On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 1:14:10 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> George: I daresay Grant would balk at this conversion. And I can 
> understand his allegiance to rim brakes; of all the kinds of brakes, as far 
> as I can tell, rim brakes give the biggest return in effectiveness 
> (strength, modulation, time between fettling) with the greatest simplicity 
> and ease of setup. And I can understand someone choosing a hybrid front 
> disc/rear rim brake system.
>
>
> Grant's approval shouldn't matter. What I'm curious about is how the bike 
> performs under hard braking. My understanding is that disc brakes demand 
> much beefier dropouts and forks, and whether the disc brake won't cause 
> problems with super skinny fork blades that Rivendell uses because the 
> assumption is that you'll be using rim brakes. Any approval or "street 
> creds" should always be secondary to safety concerns.
>
> I use rim brakes because I never found disc brakes that didn't squeal like 
> a stuck pig under hard braking conditions. Despite all my attempts I've 
> only managed to wear out rims from braking in muddy conditions exactly 
> once, and that was on a 1993 Bridgestone MB-3 that was treated like a 
> submersible (the bike shop used that as an excuse not to warranty the BB 
> after just 3 months of use) and ridden through knee deep rivers --- even 
> then it took me a good 10 years to do so! Granted I live in California, but 
> I also deliberately make it a point to ride my Roadini off road whenever I 
> can in the winter season --- when it's cold and rainy the slowness of a 
> gravel bike no longer bothers me. 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis special disc edition

2024-01-22 Thread Piaw Na 


On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 1:14:10 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

George: I daresay Grant would balk at this conversion. And I can understand 
his allegiance to rim brakes; of all the kinds of brakes, as far as I can 
tell, rim brakes give the biggest return in effectiveness (strength, 
modulation, time between fettling) with the greatest simplicity and ease of 
setup. And I can understand someone choosing a hybrid front disc/rear rim 
brake system.


Grant's approval shouldn't matter. What I'm curious about is how the bike 
performs under hard braking. My understanding is that disc brakes demand 
much beefier dropouts and forks, and whether the disc brake won't cause 
problems with super skinny fork blades that Rivendell uses because the 
assumption is that you'll be using rim brakes. Any approval or "street 
creds" should always be secondary to safety concerns.

I use rim brakes because I never found disc brakes that didn't squeal like 
a stuck pig under hard braking conditions. Despite all my attempts I've 
only managed to wear out rims from braking in muddy conditions exactly 
once, and that was on a 1993 Bridgestone MB-3 that was treated like a 
submersible (the bike shop used that as an excuse not to warranty the BB 
after just 3 months of use) and ridden through knee deep rivers --- even 
then it took me a good 10 years to do so! Granted I live in California, but 
I also deliberately make it a point to ride my Roadini off road whenever I 
can in the winter season --- when it's cold and rainy the slowness of a 
gravel bike no longer bothers me. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis special disc edition

2024-01-21 Thread Todd G 
Disc brakes on this era of Atlantis make me very happy! So good!



On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 2:19:56 PM UTC-8 frank_a wrote:

>
> I used to own this bike. It was a demo that I bought complete from 
> Rivendell. I sold it to a  forum member and he’s the one who added   the 
> disc mounts. He listed it for sale not long after that as I remember. I 
> still have the original unadulterated fork.
>   - Frank 
> On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 4:50:28 PM UTC-5 [email protected] wrote:
>
>> Patrick, tires are Soma Cazadero 700x50mm. They’re an underrated gravel 
>> tire I think. Fast, very light, supple, perform pretty well in a variety of 
>> conditions and terrains, dry and wet. 
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 3:15 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>>> Or, "baulk."
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 2:13 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>>
 George: I daresay Grant would balk at this conversion. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis special disc edition

2024-01-21 Thread 'frank_a' via RBW Owners Bunch 

I used to own this bike. It was a demo that I bought complete from 
Rivendell. I sold it to a  forum member and he’s the one who added   the 
disc mounts. He listed it for sale not long after that as I remember. I 
still have the original unadulterated fork.
  - Frank 
On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 4:50:28 PM UTC-5 [email protected] wrote:

> Patrick, tires are Soma Cazadero 700x50mm. They’re an underrated gravel 
> tire I think. Fast, very light, supple, perform pretty well in a variety of 
> conditions and terrains, dry and wet. 
>
> On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 3:15 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
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>> Or, "baulk."
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 2:13 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis special disc edition

2024-01-21 Thread Patrick Moore 
Thanks; yes, I've heard of these; my brother who has ridden them
extensively thinks very highly of them.

I will add them to my short list of tires for a 2nd dirt-surface wheelset
to complement the Soma Supple Vitesse SLs that ride and handle so nicely on
pavement.

On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 2:50 PM Miles Payton  wrote:

> Patrick, tires are Soma Cazadero 700x50mm. They’re an underrated gravel
> tire I think. Fast, very light, supple, perform pretty well in a variety of
> conditions and terrains, dry and wet.
>
> On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 3:15 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
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>> Or, "baulk."
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 2:13 PM Patrick Moore 
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>>> George: I daresay Grant would balk at this conversion.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis special disc edition

2024-01-21 Thread Miles Payton 
Patrick, tires are Soma Cazadero 700x50mm. They’re an underrated gravel
tire I think. Fast, very light, supple, perform pretty well in a variety of
conditions and terrains, dry and wet.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis special disc edition

2024-01-21 Thread Patrick Moore 
Or, "baulk."

On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 2:13 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis special disc edition

2024-01-21 Thread Patrick Moore 
George: I daresay Grant would balk at this conversion. And I can understand
his allegiance to rim brakes; of all the kinds of brakes, as far as I can
tell, rim brakes give the biggest return in effectiveness (strength,
modulation, time between fettling) with the greatest simplicity and ease of
setup. And I can understand someone choosing a hybrid front disc/rear rim
brake system.

But I have to say, that disc's Atlantis is really nice!

On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 2:05 PM George Schick  wrote:

> Patrick - I don't think Grant would approve.  But everyone has their own
> preference.  I have a Surly 1x1 with a disc on the front fork and a linear
> pull on the rear.  The reason for that is because when I first bought it
> and had it set up like that it had a fixed/SS flip-flop hub on the rear
> which would have made a disc option impossible.  My experience with fixed
> was short lived, however, and now I just run a single speed sprocket.  I'm
> not sorry that it worked out that way, though, and I like it the way it is.
>
>
> On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 2:51:37 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> I think that the custom adaptation is just right; after all, it is an
>> Atlantis. Also, practically, one reason for disc brakes is that they
>> eliminate rim scouring -- recall a 20 mile ride on my Joe Starck custom Riv
>> Road gofast where I got caught in the rain on the return; even ~10 miles
>> was enough for at least light scouring on the front (single front caliper
>> brake) rim as grit in water splashed onto the rims. (Discs also allow very
>> light rims to be used if that's of interest.)
>>
>> But if I were to customize an Atlantis with discs, I'd want it done
>> symmetrically and right.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 1:46 PM Brenton Eastman 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> [I'm curious why you didn't just replace the fork with a disc mount
>>> option and leave the rear a canti/linear pull brake?]
>>>
>>> While an exploratory project like this might not be the quickest or most
>>> logical route, it results in a very unique ride!
>>>
>>> There are probably lugged frame+forks out there with Atlantis geometry
>>> available to buy+build, but where's the fun in that?
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis special disc edition

2024-01-21 Thread Miles Payton 
You’d have to ask the previous owner who commissioned this custom fork. But
I would have done it the same way. I appreciate the versatility in having
the option to go full canti or v brake somewhere down the line. And this
way it’s symmetrical.


On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 2:10 PM George Schick  wrote:

> I'm curious why you didn't just replace the fork with a disc mount option
> and leave the rear a canti/linear pull brake?
>
>
> On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 12:33:50 PM UTC-6 [email protected]
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>> I picked up this frameset and extras from Bingo a couple months here and
>> wanted to share with y'all the final (ha!) build. Some parts I had laying
>> around or poached from other bikes (the Hunt wheelset, the Woodchipper bars
>> and Gevenalle shifters), though the drivetrain was a pretty specific vision
>> of a '90's friction-friendly wide-range 3x10. And it's a disc-modified
>> frame and aftermarket fork so I had to make it a disc brake build with the
>> TRP Spyres.
>>
>> Yeah it's an odd one. The owner of my LBS said I had one foot in hell
>> building it up. It's smooth as hell at least. I told myself I wouldn't
>> hesitate if the right Atlantis popped up on this group, and lo and behold
>> one did.
>>
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>> San Antonio and they were happy to follow me and my wife for a bit on the
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis special disc edition

2024-01-21 Thread George Schick 
Patrick - I don't think Grant would approve.  But everyone has their own 
preference.  I have a Surly 1x1 with a disc on the front fork and a linear 
pull on the rear.  The reason for that is because when I first bought it 
and had it set up like that it had a fixed/SS flip-flop hub on the rear 
which would have made a disc option impossible.  My experience with fixed 
was short lived, however, and now I just run a single speed sprocket.  I'm 
not sorry that it worked out that way, though, and I like it the way it is.


On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 2:51:37 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I think that the custom adaptation is just right; after all, it is an 
> Atlantis. Also, practically, one reason for disc brakes is that they 
> eliminate rim scouring -- recall a 20 mile ride on my Joe Starck custom Riv 
> Road gofast where I got caught in the rain on the return; even ~10 miles 
> was enough for at least light scouring on the front (single front caliper 
> brake) rim as grit in water splashed onto the rims. (Discs also allow very 
> light rims to be used if that's of interest.)
>
> But if I were to customize an Atlantis with discs, I'd want it done 
> symmetrically and right.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 1:46 PM Brenton Eastman  
> wrote:
>
>> [I'm curious why you didn't just replace the fork with a disc mount 
>> option and leave the rear a canti/linear pull brake?]
>>
>> While an exploratory project like this might not be the quickest or most 
>> logical route, it results in a very unique ride! 
>>
>> There are probably lugged frame+forks out there with Atlantis geometry 
>> available to buy+build, but where's the fun in that?
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis special disc edition

2024-01-21 Thread Patrick Moore 
I think that the custom adaptation is just right; after all, it is an
Atlantis. Also, practically, one reason for disc brakes is that they
eliminate rim scouring -- recall a 20 mile ride on my Joe Starck custom Riv
Road gofast where I got caught in the rain on the return; even ~10 miles
was enough for at least light scouring on the front (single front caliper
brake) rim as grit in water splashed onto the rims. (Discs also allow very
light rims to be used if that's of interest.)

But if I were to customize an Atlantis with discs, I'd want it done
symmetrically and right.



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wrote:

> [I'm curious why you didn't just replace the fork with a disc mount option
> and leave the rear a canti/linear pull brake?]
>
> While an exploratory project like this might not be the quickest or most
> logical route, it results in a very unique ride!
>
> There are probably lugged frame+forks out there with Atlantis geometry
> available to buy+build, but where's the fun in that?
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