Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno Curious

[Joe Bernard]

Campy Record triple cranks and derailer, Paul tensioner and brakes. That's 
a little bonkers! 

On Wednesday, April 23, 2025 at 10:10:21 AM UTC-7 philip@gmail.com 
wrote:

> There’s a really great 54 full build available at Allez LA right now:
>
>
> [image: 483475717_18054229910325894_995369891600204910_n.jpg]
>
> Allez LA! on Instagram: "This @rivbike Roaduno was completely built around 
> receiving a new pair of the @paulcomponent Short-Reach Canti-Levers! 
> #sorrynotsorry Who said the Triple was dead? Hahaha… This could be your 
> #allezLAnewbikeday !!! Just let us know!!!" 
> 
> instagram.com 
> 
> 
>
> Kyle pretty much copied my build for himself, but I love him so it’s fine!
>
> I know it’s available for sale. Only ridden on a couple of short local 
> rides to test out the concept.
>
> P. W.
> ~
> (917) 514-2207
> ~
>
>
>
>
> On Apr 23, 2025, at 9:25 AM, Doug H.  wrote:
>
> I appreciate all of the feedback. So, if anyone has a 54.5 Silver or 
> Mustard they would like to sell, let's talk.
>
> Doug
>
> On Saturday, March 22, 2025 at 9:40:22 PM UTC-4 Ellis S wrote:
>
>> I purchased a 58cm Roaduno complete last summer and have been really 
>> enjoying it. This is my first bike from Riv and I'm glad that I pulled the 
>> trigger on getting it. I find myself regularly opting for the Roaduno on 
>> the majority of my commutes around the city (I live in Los Angeles), and 
>> I've found that it has a good balance of speed and comfort. After riding it 
>> for a few months with the stock gearing, I threw on a rear derailleur and 
>> downtube shifter and have been enjoying the 2x1 setup, which gets me up the 
>> occasional climb and helps when I'm hauling groceries. With an 87cm PBH, I 
>> was torn between the 54.5 and the 58, but after test riding both demo bikes 
>> at the shop, I'm glad I settled on the 58cm, which just seemed to fit and 
>> ride better. Good luck!
>>
>> Ellis
>> Los Angeles, CA
>>
>> On Thursday, 20 March 2025 at 14:44:22 UTC-7 nlerner wrote:
>>
>>> Doug, as far as sizing, mine is a 54.5cm, and the fit is good. I've 
>>> never measured my PBH, but typically the top of my saddle measures 73cm 
>>> from the center of my cranks, and I have my bars level-ish with my saddle. 
>>> The extended head tube of the RoadUno meant that I didn't need to use a 
>>> Technomic stem or the like to get the bars up, which I was pleased with.
>>>
>>> Neal Lerner
>>> Brookline MA
>>>
>>> On Thursday, March 20, 2025 at 3:43:35 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:
>>>
 Neal and Tio,
 Thank you for the feedback and the photos. Both bikes look so good! I 
 am considering a mustard color one in size 54.5. I am just barely big 
 enough for that bike per the Riv recommendation listed. I would definitely 
 need to use a swept back bar. I just really like the idea of a 2x1 bike so 
 I could have a low gear on steep hills. I'm a big fan of single speed 
 riding but my area is kind of hilly.
 Doug

 On Thursday, March 20, 2025 at 2:45:07 PM UTC-4 nlerner wrote:

> I set my RoadUno up as a two-speed with drop bars and currently 38mm 
> tires and fenders. It’s a fun bike, a nice departure from the many-geared 
> bikes in the fleet and takes wider tires than my Milwaukee single-speed. 
> Next mod is to fit it with a Nitto front rack and a small bag. Pic from 
> last weekend.
>
> Neal Lerner
> Brookline MA
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, March 18, 2025 at 9:30:50 AM UTC-4 rdo...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I've barely touched my Platypus since getting my Roaduno last 
>> September. My 47.5cm Roaduno is set up as a singlespeed with a 69" gear 
>> and 
>> that's been perfect for getting around NYC. Originally, I had only the 
>> front rack with a basket, but after adding a rear rack for the Philly 
>> trip 
>> last week, I’ve kept it on since commuting with a pannier is much nicer 
>> than wearing a backpack in the warmer temps. The extra rack added some 
>> weight, and did make it a little tricky to carry up stairs, but the bike 
>> still feels quick and lively. I commute daily, so I’ve also been 
>> considering adding fenders. 
>>
>> Mine is sporting Ahearne+MAP handlebars (610mm) and a 60mm Nitto 
>> 90-190 stem:
>>
>> [image: IMG_2853.jpg]
>> I'm fully convinced this is my ideal bicycle :) 
>>
>> -tio "*you only need one*" ryan 
>>
>> On Monday, March 17, 2025 at 8:21:28 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:
>>
>>> Very nice Bill. I remember seeing that setup in Will's email but 
>>> didn't realize it was yours. I like the idea of the second wheelset 
>>> with 
>>> additional gearing. The beauty of the Roaduno to me is the versatility 
>>> in 
>>> addition to it being a 

Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno Curious

[P W]

There’s a really great 54 full build available at Allez LA right now:Allez LA! on Instagram: "This @rivbike Roaduno was completely built around receiving a new pair of the @paulcomponent Short-Reach Canti-Levers! #sorrynotsorry Who said the Triple was dead? Hahaha… This could be your #allezLAnewbikeday !!! Just let us know!!!"instagram.comKyle pretty much copied my build for himself, but I love him so it’s fine!I know it’s available for sale. Only ridden on a couple of short local rides to test out the concept.P. W.~(917) 514-2207~On Apr 23, 2025, at 9:25 AM, Doug H.  wrote:I appreciate all of the feedback. So, if anyone has a 54.5 Silver or Mustard they would like to sell, let's talk.DougOn Saturday, March 22, 2025 at 9:40:22 PM UTC-4 Ellis S wrote:I purchased a 58cm Roaduno complete last summer and have been really enjoying it. This is my first bike from Riv and I'm glad that I pulled the trigger on getting it. I find myself regularly opting for the Roaduno on the majority of my commutes around the city (I live in Los Angeles), and I've found that it has a good balance of speed and comfort. After riding it for a few months with the stock gearing, I threw on a rear derailleur and downtube shifter and have been enjoying the 2x1 setup, which gets me up the occasional climb and helps when I'm hauling groceries. With an 87cm PBH, I was torn between the 54.5 and the 58, but after test riding both demo bikes at the shop, I'm glad I settled on the 58cm, which just seemed to fit and ride better. Good luck!EllisLos Angeles, CAOn Thursday, 20 March 2025 at 14:44:22 UTC-7 nlerner wrote:Doug, as far as sizing, mine is a 54.5cm, and the fit is good. I've never measured my PBH, but typically the top of my saddle measures 73cm from the center of my cranks, and I have my bars level-ish with my saddle. The extended head tube of the RoadUno meant that I didn't need to use a Technomic stem or the like to get the bars up, which I was pleased with.Neal LernerBrookline MAOn Thursday, March 20, 2025 at 3:43:35 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:Neal and Tio,Thank you for the feedback and the photos. Both bikes look so good! I am considering a mustard color one in size 54.5. I am just barely big enough for that bike per the Riv recommendation listed. I would definitely need to use a swept back bar. I just really like the idea of a 2x1 bike so I could have a low gear on steep hills. I'm a big fan of single speed riding but my area is kind of hilly.DougOn Thursday, March 20, 2025 at 2:45:07 PM UTC-4 nlerner wrote:I set my RoadUno up as a two-speed with drop bars and currently 38mm tires and fenders. It’s a fun bike, a nice departure from the many-geared bikes in the fleet and takes wider tires than my Milwaukee single-speed. Next mod is to fit it with a Nitto front rack and a small bag. Pic from last weekend.Neal LernerBrookline MAOn Tuesday, March 18, 2025 at 9:30:50 AM UTC-4 rdo...@gmail.com wrote:I've barely touched my Platypus since getting my Roaduno last September. My 47.5cm Roaduno is set up as a singlespeed with a 69" gear and that's been perfect for getting around NYC. Originally, I had only the front rack with a basket, but after adding a rear rack for the Philly trip last week, I’ve kept it on since commuting with a pannier is much nicer than wearing a backpack in the warmer temps. The extra rack added some weight, and did make it a little tricky to carry up stairs, but the bike still feels quick and lively. I commute daily, so I’ve also been considering adding fenders. Mine is sporting Ahearne+MAP handlebars (610mm) and a 60mm Nitto 90-190 stem:I'm fully convinced this is my ideal bicycle :) -tio "you only need one" ryan On Monday, March 17, 2025 at 8:21:28 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:Very nice Bill. I remember seeing that setup in Will's email but didn't realize it was yours. I like the idea of the second wheelset with additional gearing. The beauty of the Roaduno to me is the versatility in addition to it being a Grant designed Rivendell.DougOn Monday, March 17, 2025 at 8:00:33 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:I bought a RoadUno complete and I like it very much.  I have the stock gearing, and I installed a front derailleur and tensioner to use the stock gearing.  My longest ride on it was roughly 40 miles up and down Mount Diablo.  I have mine set up with front and rear racks.  I have a second wheelset which includes a Dynamo front hub and a 7 speed cassette for a rear derailleur set up.  It was shown in one of Will's email newsletter. Bill LindsayEl Cerrito, CAOn Monday, March 17, 2025 at 4:25:52 PM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:I'm interested in hearing (or reading) how folks are liking their Roadunos. How have you set up the gearing? Are you taking it on longish rides? Do you have yours set up with racks? Dynamo? I've been tempted by this model since it was first announced but have not bought one as of yet.Doug



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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno Curious

[Doug H.]

I saw that one on IG and it is really nice! I'm looking for a less pricey 
build though. 
Doug

On Wednesday, April 23, 2025 at 1:10:21 PM UTC-4 philip@gmail.com wrote:

> There’s a really great 54 full build available at Allez LA right now:
>
>
> [image: 483475717_18054229910325894_995369891600204910_n.jpg]
>
> Allez LA! on Instagram: "This @rivbike Roaduno was completely built around 
> receiving a new pair of the @paulcomponent Short-Reach Canti-Levers! 
> #sorrynotsorry Who said the Triple was dead? Hahaha… This could be your 
> #allezLAnewbikeday !!! Just let us know!!!" 
> 
> instagram.com 
> 
> 
>
> Kyle pretty much copied my build for himself, but I love him so it’s fine!
>
> I know it’s available for sale. Only ridden on a couple of short local 
> rides to test out the concept.
>
> P. W.
> ~
> (917) 514-2207
> ~
>
>
>
>
> On Apr 23, 2025, at 9:25 AM, Doug H.  wrote:
>
> I appreciate all of the feedback. So, if anyone has a 54.5 Silver or 
> Mustard they would like to sell, let's talk.
>
> Doug
>
> On Saturday, March 22, 2025 at 9:40:22 PM UTC-4 Ellis S wrote:
>
>> I purchased a 58cm Roaduno complete last summer and have been really 
>> enjoying it. This is my first bike from Riv and I'm glad that I pulled the 
>> trigger on getting it. I find myself regularly opting for the Roaduno on 
>> the majority of my commutes around the city (I live in Los Angeles), and 
>> I've found that it has a good balance of speed and comfort. After riding it 
>> for a few months with the stock gearing, I threw on a rear derailleur and 
>> downtube shifter and have been enjoying the 2x1 setup, which gets me up the 
>> occasional climb and helps when I'm hauling groceries. With an 87cm PBH, I 
>> was torn between the 54.5 and the 58, but after test riding both demo bikes 
>> at the shop, I'm glad I settled on the 58cm, which just seemed to fit and 
>> ride better. Good luck!
>>
>> Ellis
>> Los Angeles, CA
>>
>> On Thursday, 20 March 2025 at 14:44:22 UTC-7 nlerner wrote:
>>
>>> Doug, as far as sizing, mine is a 54.5cm, and the fit is good. I've 
>>> never measured my PBH, but typically the top of my saddle measures 73cm 
>>> from the center of my cranks, and I have my bars level-ish with my saddle. 
>>> The extended head tube of the RoadUno meant that I didn't need to use a 
>>> Technomic stem or the like to get the bars up, which I was pleased with.
>>>
>>> Neal Lerner
>>> Brookline MA
>>>
>>> On Thursday, March 20, 2025 at 3:43:35 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:
>>>
 Neal and Tio,
 Thank you for the feedback and the photos. Both bikes look so good! I 
 am considering a mustard color one in size 54.5. I am just barely big 
 enough for that bike per the Riv recommendation listed. I would definitely 
 need to use a swept back bar. I just really like the idea of a 2x1 bike so 
 I could have a low gear on steep hills. I'm a big fan of single speed 
 riding but my area is kind of hilly.
 Doug

 On Thursday, March 20, 2025 at 2:45:07 PM UTC-4 nlerner wrote:

> I set my RoadUno up as a two-speed with drop bars and currently 38mm 
> tires and fenders. It’s a fun bike, a nice departure from the many-geared 
> bikes in the fleet and takes wider tires than my Milwaukee single-speed. 
> Next mod is to fit it with a Nitto front rack and a small bag. Pic from 
> last weekend.
>
> Neal Lerner
> Brookline MA
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, March 18, 2025 at 9:30:50 AM UTC-4 rdo...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I've barely touched my Platypus since getting my Roaduno last 
>> September. My 47.5cm Roaduno is set up as a singlespeed with a 69" gear 
>> and 
>> that's been perfect for getting around NYC. Originally, I had only the 
>> front rack with a basket, but after adding a rear rack for the Philly 
>> trip 
>> last week, I’ve kept it on since commuting with a pannier is much nicer 
>> than wearing a backpack in the warmer temps. The extra rack added some 
>> weight, and did make it a little tricky to carry up stairs, but the bike 
>> still feels quick and lively. I commute daily, so I’ve also been 
>> considering adding fenders. 
>>
>> Mine is sporting Ahearne+MAP handlebars (610mm) and a 60mm Nitto 
>> 90-190 stem:
>>
>> [image: IMG_2853.jpg]
>> I'm fully convinced this is my ideal bicycle :) 
>>
>> -tio "*you only need one*" ryan 
>>
>> On Monday, March 17, 2025 at 8:21:28 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:
>>
>>> Very nice Bill. I remember seeing that setup in Will's email but 
>>> didn't realize it was yours. I like the idea of the second wheelset 
>>> with 
>>> additional gearing. The beauty of the Roaduno to me is the versatility 
>>> in 
>>> addition to it being a Gr

Re: [RBW] Re: RoadUno 'Flat' Bars

[P W]

Alexis,Good eye! ;) Some of my favorite grips ever. I also have a set of the WTB-modded ones, with the cut down flange, so they work better with shifters.Those I’m saving for a Phoenix rebuild I’ve had in the works for a longtime now.This version was being saved for a single speed build someday, the Uno being close enough!I wish you’d looked at that Bruce, too! I’m lucky enough to have both a Rock n Road and Chinook. Sometimes even my own luck astounds me!P. W.~(917) 514-2207~On Mar 21, 2025, at 11:12 PM, R. Alexis  wrote:P.W.,Nice Magura (pre Wilderness Trail Bikes modified) grips! Nice bars also. You been holding onto those for something special like this? I have a set of WTB modified ones on my Rivendell Mountain. Got them when a shop closed in the early 90's, probably about 1993 or so along with some other stuff. Wish I would have looked at the Bruce Gordon they had there. Thanks,Reginald AlexisOn Thursday, March 20, 2025 at 9:24:48 AM UTC-5 P W wrote:Wavies, with bar extensions, on mine.It’ll get the new Goldilocks bar, eventually, I’m sure. P. W.~(917) 514-2207~On Mar 20, 2025, at 7:08 AM, tío ryan  wrote:I've got Ahearne+MAP handlebars on my Roaduno and love 'em. They feel a lot better than the choco bars did on this bike—chocos were too chill and work better on my Platypus. I reckon wavies would be nice on a Roaduno, they seem similar to the map bars. -tío On Thursday, March 20, 2025 at 9:27:17 AM UTC-4 chefd...@gmail.com wrote:Some folks I know have recommended the Nitto Jitensha Bar...On Wednesday, March 19, 2025 at 3:10:28 PM UTC-7 harry...@gmail.com wrote:I've been riding singlespeed with 44cm Noodle Bars, but I'd like to try some flattish bars with a bit of rise.I've been looking at the Bull and Wavie on the Riv Site, the SimWorks Fun3 and Getarounds, and some Velo Orange bendy bars. Have you tried these with the RoadUno, or with any Riv set-up singlespeed? What bars did you go with, and how has the ride been?Cheers



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Re: [RBW] Re: RoadUno 'Flat' Bars

[R. Alexis]

P.W.,

Nice Magura (pre Wilderness Trail Bikes modified) grips! Nice bars also. 
You been holding onto those for something special like this? I have a set 
of WTB modified ones on my Rivendell Mountain. Got them when a shop closed 
in the early 90's, probably about 1993 or so along with some other stuff. 
Wish I would have looked at the Bruce Gordon they had there. 

Thanks,

Reginald Alexis

On Thursday, March 20, 2025 at 9:24:48 AM UTC-5 P W wrote:

> Wavies, with bar extensions, on mine.
>
> It’ll get the new Goldilocks bar, eventually, I’m sure. 
>
> [image: image0.jpeg][image: image1.jpeg][image: image2.jpeg][image: 
> image3.jpeg][image: image4.jpeg][image: image5.jpeg][image: image6.jpeg]
>
> P. W.
> ~
> (917) 514-2207
> ~
>
>
>
>
> On Mar 20, 2025, at 7:08 AM, tío ryan  wrote:
>
> I've got Ahearne+MAP handlebars 
>  on my Roaduno 
> and love 'em. They feel a lot better than the choco bars did on this 
> bike—chocos were too chill and work better on my Platypus. 
>
>
> I reckon wavies would be nice on a Roaduno, they seem similar to the map 
> bars. 
>
> -tío 
> On Thursday, March 20, 2025 at 9:27:17 AM UTC-4 chefd...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Some folks I know have recommended the Nitto Jitensha Bar...
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 19, 2025 at 3:10:28 PM UTC-7 harry...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I've been riding singlespeed with 44cm Noodle Bars, but I'd like to try 
>>> some flattish bars with a bit of rise.
>>>
>>> I've been looking at the Bull and Wavie on the Riv Site, the SimWorks 
>>> Fun3 and Getarounds, and some Velo Orange bendy bars. Have you tried these 
>>> with the RoadUno, or with any Riv set-up singlespeed? What bars did you go 
>>> with, and how has the ride been?
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: RoadUno 'Flat' Bars

[Jason Fuller]

Two bars that I've been really liking and fit the Riv aesthetic perfectly 
are the Crumbworks KT bar and the B802, both Nitto heat treated aluminum.  
The B802 has about 25 degrees of sweep while the Crumbworks is close to 
40.  Both 25.4mm and 720mm wide, with room to cut down as well 

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Re: [RBW] Re: RoadUno 'Flat' Bars

[Otto Frey]

Great pics Philip. That looks like just the kind of shape I had in mind. 
The Ahearne Map bars look good as well. I'm going to try some VO Curvy bars 
that I found on ebay. I'm sure Wavies or the in-the-works new bar would 
have nicer finishes and make, but the shape of the VO's should be about the 
same.

Thanks for the recommendations all

On Thursday, March 20, 2025 at 6:49:27 PM UTC-4 lconley wrote:

> I have VO Klunkers on mine, kind of like a wavie with extra rise. 
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 20, 2025 at 10:24 AM P W  wrote:
>
>> Wavies, with bar extensions, on mine.
>>
>> It’ll get the new Goldilocks bar, eventually, I’m sure. 
>>
>> [image: image0.jpeg][image: image1.jpeg][image: image2.jpeg][image: 
>> image3.jpeg][image: image4.jpeg][image: image5.jpeg][image: image6.jpeg]
>>
>> P. W.
>> ~
>> (917) 514-2207
>> ~
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mar 20, 2025, at 7:08 AM, tío ryan  wrote:
>>
>> I've got Ahearne+MAP handlebars 
>>  on my Roaduno 
>> and love 'em. They feel a lot better than the choco bars did on this 
>> bike—chocos were too chill and work better on my Platypus. 
>>
>>
>> I reckon wavies would be nice on a Roaduno, they seem similar to the map 
>> bars. 
>>
>> -tío 
>> On Thursday, March 20, 2025 at 9:27:17 AM UTC-4 chefd...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Some folks I know have recommended the Nitto Jitensha Bar...
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, March 19, 2025 at 3:10:28 PM UTC-7 harry...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I've been riding singlespeed with 44cm Noodle Bars, but I'd like to try 
 some flattish bars with a bit of rise.

 I've been looking at the Bull and Wavie on the Riv Site, the SimWorks 
 Fun3 and Getarounds, and some Velo Orange bendy bars. Have you tried these 
 with the RoadUno, or with any Riv set-up singlespeed? What bars did you go 
 with, and how has the ride been?

 Cheers

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno - Are you buying one?

[Minh]

I love this color coordination, but as someone that also trys to keep color 
coordinated, know that these tires are limited run!  so stock up if you 
want to keep it going.  I think I saw someone on the radavist marketplace 
selling 6 purple tires (so 3 pair) because they switched from a purple them 
to red!  

On Friday, December 13, 2024 at 10:03:01 AM UTC-5 isp...@gmail.com wrote:

> Purple grips look great on it. Purple tires… the recipe is getting quite 
> rich!
>
> I’m eager to hear how that Paul Racer works out on the front with such a 
> long cable drop from the hanger. Any issues with vibration, or any qualms 
> generally? I have a Roadini coming in a matter of weeks and I’m literally 
> second guessing every day whether to do Racers or trad sidepull calipers. I 
> can afford the sexy racers, but hear remarks about how a long 
> centerpull/canti cable is less than ideal. Thanks for any feedback.
>
>
> On Friday, December 13, 2024 at 7:46:59 AM UTC-7 Paul Richardson wrote:
>
> i initially thought i was going to offset the color of the frame with 
> maybe some orange or even pink grips, and never once did i think i'd mount 
> up tires that aren't *black*.in the end, though, the pull of the 
> purple was just too strong!!!  
>
> am i the first to try, mark?!
>
> paul
> takoma park, md.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno - Are you buying one?

[Steven Sweedler]

consider a fork mounted brake stop, it eliminates fork judder.

Steven Sweedler
Plymouth, New Hampshire


On Fri, Dec 13, 2024 at 7:03 AM J-D Bamford  wrote:

> Purple grips look great on it. Purple tires… the recipe is getting quite
> rich!
>
> I’m eager to hear how that Paul Racer works out on the front with such a
> long cable drop from the hanger. Any issues with vibration, or any qualms
> generally? I have a Roadini coming in a matter of weeks and I’m literally
> second guessing every day whether to do Racers or trad sidepull calipers. I
> can afford the sexy racers, but hear remarks about how a long
> centerpull/canti cable is less than ideal. Thanks for any feedback.
>
> On Friday, December 13, 2024 at 7:46:59 AM UTC-7 Paul Richardson wrote:
>
> i initially thought i was going to offset the color of the frame with
> maybe some orange or even pink grips, and never once did i think i'd mount
> up tires that aren't *black*.in the end, though, the pull of the
> purple was just too strong!!!
>
> am i the first to try, mark?!
>
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> takoma park, md.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno - Are you buying one?

[J-D Bamford]

Purple grips look great on it. Purple tires… the recipe is getting quite 
rich!

I’m eager to hear how that Paul Racer works out on the front with such a 
long cable drop from the hanger. Any issues with vibration, or any qualms 
generally? I have a Roadini coming in a matter of weeks and I’m literally 
second guessing every day whether to do Racers or trad sidepull calipers. I 
can afford the sexy racers, but hear remarks about how a long 
centerpull/canti cable is less than ideal. Thanks for any feedback.

On Friday, December 13, 2024 at 7:46:59 AM UTC-7 Paul Richardson wrote:

i initially thought i was going to offset the color of the frame with maybe 
some orange or even pink grips, and never once did i think i'd mount up 
tires that aren't *black*.in the end, though, the pull of the purple 
was just too strong!!!  

am i the first to try, mark?!

paul
takoma park, md.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno - Are you buying one?

[esoterica etc]

As it seems the Gravelking is the default tire for the Roaduno, I think it would be the bee's knees for someone with the silver frame to mount some purple Gravelkings on their ride. Heck, I think they'd even look good on a purple frame. Who's gonna be the first to try?~MarkKailua, HIOn Oct 10, 2024, at 16:38, Danny  wrote:I've been hoping someone would post some photos of a 64cm, thanks Paul!On Thu, Oct 10, 2024 at 9:29 AM Paul Richardson  wrote:she's hardly ready for a photoshoot, but the 64cm dunos are grossly underrepresented, so here's mine in its liminal state.  feels goood to be riding fixed again!paultakoma park, md.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno - Are you buying one?

[Danny]

I've been hoping someone would post some photos of a 64cm, thanks Paul!

On Thu, Oct 10, 2024 at 9:29 AM Paul Richardson 
wrote:

> she's hardly ready for a photoshoot, but the 64cm dunos are grossly
> underrepresented, so here's mine in its liminal state.  feels goood to
> be riding fixed again!
>
> paul
> takoma park, md.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno - Are you buying one?

[tio ryan]

Not sure if my photo was working on my first post, so trying again. 

Obsessed with my 47.5 after bumping the gear ratio to 42/16 (acs paws fw) 

Recently added purple newbaums to the bars & kickstand. Got my first flat 
last week -- a pleasant experience patching it, and I still made it to work 
early :) 

This is *the* perfect bike for me. Here's a photo from my commute yesterday:
 
soma rack with a racer basket. bit colorful -- wouldn't mind a 
black/reflective bungee 

-tio 

On Thursday, October 10, 2024 at 12:35:03 AM UTC-4 J Schwartz wrote:

> [image: IMG_4589.jpg]
>
> On Wednesday, October 9, 2024 at 8:56:50 PM UTC-4 tio ryan wrote:
>
>> Obsessed with my 47.5 after bumping the gear ratio to 42/16 (acs paws fw) 
>>
>> Recently added purple newbaums to the bars & kickstand. Got my first flat 
>> last week -- a pleasant experience patching it, and I still made it to work 
>> early :) 
>>
>> This is *the* perfect bike for me. Here's a photo from my commute 
>> earlier:
>>  
>> soma rack with a racer basket. bit colorful -- wouldn't mind a 
>> black/reflective bungee 
>>
>> -tio 
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 9, 2024 at 6:04:09 PM UTC-4 Igor wrote:
>>
>>> Basic, boring photo- swapped for a long Tallux (unfortunately 26.0mm 
>>> clamp so need to use a shim, no big deal, just a bit fiddly..), Grip 
>>> Monarch pedals, Dia Compe SS-6 levers and some cork grips. Turbo saddle 
>>> from parts bin, but probably will also swap this for something else soon
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/ohys1yraoxs4qn16iwgsp/Photo-Oct-09-2024-5-57-55-PM.jpg?rlkey=23cjig7s2uk6rw04sp8ooh167&st=o4576kha&dl=0
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, October 9, 2024 at 5:10:45 PM UTC-4 Igor wrote:
>>>
 I got my 54.5 silver today. I have swapped the brake levers for some 
 SS6, and I will be getting rid of the stem it came with and going with a 
 longer/lower Nitto tallux
 On Wednesday, October 9, 2024 at 3:33:54 PM UTC-4 DavidP wrote:

> Previously in this thread I said I was not planning on buying a 
> Roaduno. In another thread I said that if I was to get one I'd lean 
> towards 
> the 58. I was wrong on both counts and have a 54.5 silver frame on the 
> way. 
> NBD post to follow (at some point).
>
> So far I've seen Roadunos from Bill L, Edwin W, Laing C, Mark V, Neal 
> L, and Philip W. Did I miss any? 
>
> -Dave



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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno - Are you buying one?

[tio ryan]

Obsessed with my 47.5 after bumping the gear ratio to 42/16 (acs paws fw) 

Recently added purple newbaums to the bars & kickstand. Got my first flat 
last week -- a pleasant experience patching it, and I still made it to work 
early :) 

This is *the* perfect bike for me. Here's a photo from my commute earlier:
 
soma rack with a racer basket. bit colorful -- wouldn't mind a 
black/reflective bungee 

-tio 

On Wednesday, October 9, 2024 at 6:04:09 PM UTC-4 Igor wrote:

> Basic, boring photo- swapped for a long Tallux (unfortunately 26.0mm clamp 
> so need to use a shim, no big deal, just a bit fiddly..), Grip Monarch 
> pedals, Dia Compe SS-6 levers and some cork grips. Turbo saddle from parts 
> bin, but probably will also swap this for something else soon
>
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/ohys1yraoxs4qn16iwgsp/Photo-Oct-09-2024-5-57-55-PM.jpg?rlkey=23cjig7s2uk6rw04sp8ooh167&st=o4576kha&dl=0
>
> On Wednesday, October 9, 2024 at 5:10:45 PM UTC-4 Igor wrote:
>
>> I got my 54.5 silver today. I have swapped the brake levers for some SS6, 
>> and I will be getting rid of the stem it came with and going with a 
>> longer/lower Nitto tallux
>> On Wednesday, October 9, 2024 at 3:33:54 PM UTC-4 DavidP wrote:
>>
>>> Previously in this thread I said I was not planning on buying a Roaduno. 
>>> In another thread I said that if I was to get one I'd lean towards the 58. 
>>> I was wrong on both counts and have a 54.5 silver frame on the way. NBD 
>>> post to follow (at some point).
>>>
>>> So far I've seen Roadunos from Bill L, Edwin W, Laing C, Mark V, Neal L, 
>>> and Philip W. Did I miss any? 
>>>
>>> -Dave
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno - Are you buying one?

[P W]

It’s actually my trade secret…They’re just Wavies with bar extensions.P. W.~(917) 514-2207~On Oct 9, 2024, at 3:50 PM, Jeremy Till  wrote:Philip, Can I ask what bars those are? They look like Wavies but with a longer grip area?Thanks!Jeremy TillSacramento, CAOn Monday, September 30, 2024 at 4:11:50 PM UTC-7 P W wrote:Good eye Bill!(I’d expect no less).Rack is placed there ONLY while we wait for the eyelet tap from Will! For some reason a bunch of the production frames came without that eyelet threaded on the NDS.The brake caliper was a tiny bit wonky, you’re right, and was immediately corrected after the first ride, which was after these photos were taken.Kyle didn’t want me getting any dirt on the frame before he’d shot it!As for how I like it……I love it!P. W.~(917) 514-2207~On Sep 30, 2024, at 3:38 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:Cute.  Very nice selection of parts.  -BUT- I'd change two things:1. I think that front rack is the best possible front rack.  Install it in the lower tabs behind the axle and you'll be able to get it a little closer to level.  2. The photo of the front brake setup makes it look pretty wonky.  Like the center pull yoke is all tilted and then you adjusted the spring tension around that tilted yoke.  I'd give that a good look and re-do that setup.  Enthusiastic APPROVE.  Do you like it?Bill LindsayEl Cerrito, CAOn Monday, September 30, 2024 at 3:31:23 PM UTC-7 P W wrote:A couple of the photos attached for anyone, like me, that’s not on Instagram!P. W.~(917) 514-2207~On Sep 30, 2024, at 3:27 PM, P W  wrote:I finished mine up last week and Kyle from Allez just took a few very nice photos, if anyone is interested in seeing the direction I went:Allez LA! on Instagram: "OK! Here it is, a look at the first DEEP custom @rivbike Roaduno to come out of the shop!!! This one is everyone’s favorite intern UK Phil a.k.a Old Man Grav!!! There is literally too much going on here to even talk about, so we’ll let the photos do the talking. IYKYK"instagram.comP. W.~(917) 514-2207~On Aug 3, 2024, at 2:07 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:"just in time for your September summit of Mount Diablo"bet on it.  The question is: will my Roaduno be a 2-speed, a 4-speed, a 6-speed, or maybe even a 14-speed?  BL in ECOn Saturday, August 3, 2024 at 2:04:43 PM UTC-7 Ryan wrote:just in time for your September summit of Mount DiabloOn Saturday, August 3, 2024 at 3:46:05 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:...and now the Roadunos are in Oakland!  (according to Will's email)Bill LindsayEl Cerrito, CAOn Friday, August 2, 2024 at 5:32:41 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:Those are two very cool bikes.  I currently own one of each.  The Roaduno is definitely a much different bike than either of those two, which is why I'm getting one.  Enjoy them!  Bill LindsayEl Cerrito, CAOn Thursday, August 1, 2024 at 6:44:32 PM UTC-7 velomann wrote:Well, it's been an exciting couple weeks for me. New Bike Day x2! - and peripherally Roaduno related.As I've stated elsewhere, I was psyched a couple years ago about what I thought was the original vision for the Roaduno. I was looking forward to a purpose-built Rivendell single-speed with 120 rear spacing, 650b wheels, cantilever brakes, and spacing for wide-ish tires. I was saving money and collecting parts. But we all know how the design morphed, and while the Roaduno is an interesting bike for sure, it's no longer the bike I want.I started looking towards the Crust Lightning Bolt single speed, and the Crust Florida Man, and was even thinking about getting both.Then a couple weeks ago, someone on the ibob list posted a Black Mountain Cycles rim-brake Monstercross frame/fork/headset in my size for a great price, and while it's not a singlespeed, it could easily be one and shares a lot of similarities with the Florida Man (but in 700c). Plus, I have a Black Mountain rim-brake road (no longer in production) and last year sold my Black Mountain Road+ when I built up my Ritchey Outback Breakaway, because I knew I'd probably never ride it with the Ritchey in the stable. I've communicated a lot with Mike Varley, am a fan of the bikes and his aesthetic, and have a couple friends who own a Monstercross. AND the frame was the same color, and has the same Pacenti fork crown, as my wrecked Ocean Air Cycles Rambler - the bike I've put the most miles on and with which I've had my most epic adventures. So, I bought it, I built it up, and it is an absolute blast to ride. I built it up with pretty much all parts I already had. Currently set up as a 1 x 10 with Microshift Sword, but I plan to create a second cockpit with brake cables I can swap out with a Separate wheelset to run it Singlespeed.And last week someone else posted on the ibob list that they had a Quickbeam in my size (!) that they were planning on selling as F/F/H, but were putting out feelers to see if anyone was interested in the complete bike. Not willing to ship, but if interested party was in northern 

Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno - Are you buying one?

[Jeremy Till]

Philip, 

Can I ask what bars those are? They look like Wavies but with a longer grip 
area?

Thanks!
Jeremy Till
Sacramento, CA

On Monday, September 30, 2024 at 4:11:50 PM UTC-7 P W wrote:

> Good eye Bill!
>
> (I’d expect no less).
>
> Rack is placed there ONLY while we wait for the eyelet tap from Will! For 
> some reason a bunch of the production frames came without that eyelet 
> threaded on the NDS.
>
> The brake caliper was a tiny bit wonky, you’re right, and was immediately 
> corrected after the first ride, which was after these photos were taken.
>
> Kyle didn’t want me getting any dirt on the frame before he’d shot it!
>
> As for how I like it…
>
> …I love it!
>
> [image: image0.jpeg][image: image1.jpeg][image: image2.jpeg][image: 
> image3.jpeg]
>
> P. W.
> ~
> (917) 514-2207
> ~
>
>
>
>
> On Sep 30, 2024, at 3:38 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
> Cute.  Very nice selection of parts.  -BUT- I'd change two things:
>
>
> 1. I think that front rack is the best possible front rack.  Install it in 
> the lower tabs behind the axle and you'll be able to get it a little closer 
> to level.  
> 2. The photo of the front brake setup makes it look pretty wonky.  Like 
> the center pull yoke is all tilted and then you adjusted the spring tension 
> around that tilted yoke.  I'd give that a good look and re-do that setup.  
>
> Enthusiastic APPROVE.  Do you like it?
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
> On Monday, September 30, 2024 at 3:31:23 PM UTC-7 P W wrote:
>
>> A couple of the photos attached for anyone, like me, that’s not on 
>> Instagram!
>>
>> [image: image0.jpeg][image: image1.jpeg][image: image2.jpeg][image: 
>> image3.jpeg][image: image4.jpeg][image: image5.jpeg][image: 
>> image6.jpeg][image: 
>> image7.jpeg]
>>
>> P. W.
>> ~
>> (917) 514-2207
>> ~
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sep 30, 2024, at 3:27 PM, P W  wrote:
>>
>> I finished mine up last week and Kyle from Allez just took a few very 
>> nice photos, if anyone is interested in seeing the direction I went:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Allez LA! on Instagram: "OK! Here it is, a look at the first DEEP custom 
>> @rivbike Roaduno to come out of the shop!!! This one is everyone’s favorite 
>> intern UK Phil a.k.a Old Man Grav!!! There is literally too much going on 
>> here to even talk about, so we’ll let the photos do the talking. IYKYK" 
>> 
>> instagram.com 
>> 
>> 
>>
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>
>>
>> P. W.
>> ~
>> (917) 514-2207
>> ~
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 3, 2024, at 2:07 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>
>> "just in time for your September summit of Mount Diablo"
>>
>> bet on it.  The question is: will my Roaduno be a 2-speed, a 4-speed, a 
>> 6-speed, or maybe even a 14-speed?  
>>
>> BL in EC
>>
>> On Saturday, August 3, 2024 at 2:04:43 PM UTC-7 Ryan wrote:
>>
>>> just in time for your September summit of Mount Diablo
>>>
>>> On Saturday, August 3, 2024 at 3:46:05 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 ...and now the Roadunos are in Oakland!  (according to Will's email)

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

 On Friday, August 2, 2024 at 5:32:41 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Those are two very cool bikes.  I currently own one of each.  The 
> Roaduno is definitely a much different bike than either of those two, 
> which 
> is why I'm getting one.  Enjoy them!  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
> On Thursday, August 1, 2024 at 6:44:32 PM UTC-7 velomann wrote:
>
>> Well, it's been an exciting couple weeks for me. New Bike Day x2! - 
>> and peripherally Roaduno related.
>>
>> As I've stated elsewhere, I was psyched a couple years ago about what 
>> I thought was the original vision for the Roaduno. I was looking forward 
>> to 
>> a purpose-built Rivendell single-speed with 120 rear spacing, 650b 
>> wheels, 
>> cantilever brakes, and spacing for wide-ish tires. I was saving money 
>> and 
>> collecting parts.
>>  But we all know how the design morphed, and while the Roaduno is an 
>> interesting bike for sure, it's no longer the bike I want.
>>
>> I started looking towards the Crust Lightning Bolt single speed, and 
>> the Crust Florida Man, and was even thinking about getting both.
>>
>> Then a couple weeks ago, someone on the ibob list posted a Black 
>> Mountain Cycles rim-brake Monstercross frame/fork/headset in my size for 
>> a 
>> great price, and while it's not a singlespeed, it could easily be one 
>> and 
>> shares a lot of similarities with the Florida Man (but in 700c). Plus, I 
>> have a Black Mountain rim-brake road (no longer in production) a

Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno - Are you buying one?

[Igor]

Basic, boring photo- swapped for a long Tallux (unfortunately 26.0mm clamp 
so need to use a shim, no big deal, just a bit fiddly..), Grip Monarch 
pedals, Dia Compe SS-6 levers and some cork grips. Turbo saddle from parts 
bin, but probably will also swap this for something else soon

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/ohys1yraoxs4qn16iwgsp/Photo-Oct-09-2024-5-57-55-PM.jpg?rlkey=23cjig7s2uk6rw04sp8ooh167&st=o4576kha&dl=0

On Wednesday, October 9, 2024 at 5:10:45 PM UTC-4 Igor wrote:

> I got my 54.5 silver today. I have swapped the brake levers for some SS6, 
> and I will be getting rid of the stem it came with and going with a 
> longer/lower Nitto tallux
> On Wednesday, October 9, 2024 at 3:33:54 PM UTC-4 DavidP wrote:
>
>> Previously in this thread I said I was not planning on buying a Roaduno. 
>> In another thread I said that if I was to get one I'd lean towards the 58. 
>> I was wrong on both counts and have a 54.5 silver frame on the way. NBD 
>> post to follow (at some point).
>>
>> So far I've seen Roadunos from Bill L, Edwin W, Laing C, Mark V, Neal L, 
>> and Philip W. Did I miss any? 
>>
>> -Dave
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno - Are you buying one?

[Igor]

I got my 54.5 silver today. I have swapped the brake levers for some SS6, 
and I will be getting rid of the stem it came with and going with a 
longer/lower Nitto tallux
On Wednesday, October 9, 2024 at 3:33:54 PM UTC-4 DavidP wrote:

> Previously in this thread I said I was not planning on buying a Roaduno. 
> In another thread I said that if I was to get one I'd lean towards the 58. 
> I was wrong on both counts and have a 54.5 silver frame on the way. NBD 
> post to follow (at some point).
>
> So far I've seen Roadunos from Bill L, Edwin W, Laing C, Mark V, Neal L, 
> and Philip W. Did I miss any? 
>
> -Dave

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno - Are you buying one?

[DavidP]

Previously in this thread I said I was not planning on buying a Roaduno. In 
another thread I said that if I was to get one I'd lean towards the 58. I 
was wrong on both counts and have a 54.5 silver frame on the way. NBD post 
to follow (at some point).

So far I've seen Roadunos from Bill L, Edwin W, Laing C, Mark V, Neal L, 
and Philip W. Did I miss any? 

-Dave

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno v.1

[DavidP]

The Roaduno has 120mm rear spacing. Bill L used an obscure cassette hub, 
modified it to have a 120mm OLD,  and assembled his own cassette to fit 
it (see details in this Riv newsletter 
). 


Another option is to use a 120mm freewheel hub with a 5 speed freewheel. 
You could probably spread the stays to fit a 126mm hub without much 
effort/risk, but it's also pretty simple to respace most 126mm freewheel 
hubs to 120mm.

-Dave

On Wednesday, October 2, 2024 at 9:06:46 AM UTC-4 fmri...@gmail.com wrote:

> This looks incredible and has me quite tempted. Initially I wanted to wait 
> for a homer or roadini but seeing these (and the price point) has me 
> considering! I've seen a few set up with cassettes as traditional road 
> bike. How are folks pulling that off?
>
> On Tuesday, October 1, 2024 at 6:16:20 PM UTC-4 nlerner wrote:
>
>> Okay, time for Roaduno v. 2! This configuration is a 2 x 1 with a 
>> Stronglight 99 crankset with 44/28t rings, a DuraAce rear derailleur as a 
>> chain tensioner, a SunTour Cyclone front derailleur, an SRAM 8-speed chain, 
>> and a Shimano 105 shifter. I was very glad to see the hole under the bottom 
>> bracket was drilled for a bolt-on cable guide. Took it for a brief test 
>> ride, and all was quiet and smooth. Hopefully, I'll get out for a longer 
>> ride later this week.
>>
>> [image: IMG_4595.HEIC.jpg][image: IMG_4596.HEIC.jpg][image: 
>> IMG_4597.HEIC.jpg][image: IMG_4598.HEIC.jpg]
>>
>> Neal Lerner
>> Brookline MA
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno v.1

[franco rinaldi]

This looks incredible and has me quite tempted. Initially I wanted to wait 
for a homer or roadini but seeing these (and the price point) has me 
considering! I've seen a few set up with cassettes as traditional road 
bike. How are folks pulling that off?

On Tuesday, October 1, 2024 at 6:16:20 PM UTC-4 nlerner wrote:

> Okay, time for Roaduno v. 2! This configuration is a 2 x 1 with a 
> Stronglight 99 crankset with 44/28t rings, a DuraAce rear derailleur as a 
> chain tensioner, a SunTour Cyclone front derailleur, an SRAM 8-speed chain, 
> and a Shimano 105 shifter. I was very glad to see the hole under the bottom 
> bracket was drilled for a bolt-on cable guide. Took it for a brief test 
> ride, and all was quiet and smooth. Hopefully, I'll get out for a longer 
> ride later this week.
>
> [image: IMG_4595.HEIC.jpg][image: IMG_4596.HEIC.jpg][image: 
> IMG_4597.HEIC.jpg][image: IMG_4598.HEIC.jpg]
>
> Neal Lerner
> Brookline MA
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno - Are you buying one?

[Chris Halasz]

Philip

Spectacular (and what Bill said)! 

Still trying to convince myself that I need a Roaduno, your build and 
Bill's are compelling! 

On Monday, September 30, 2024 at 3:38:05 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Cute.  Very nice selection of parts.  -BUT- I'd change two things:
>
> 1. I think that front rack is the best possible front rack.  Install it in 
> the lower tabs behind the axle and you'll be able to get it a little closer 
> to level.  
> 2. The photo of the front brake setup makes it look pretty wonky.  Like 
> the center pull yoke is all tilted and then you adjusted the spring tension 
> around that tilted yoke.  I'd give that a good look and re-do that setup.  
>
> Enthusiastic APPROVE.  Do you like it?
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
> On Monday, September 30, 2024 at 3:31:23 PM UTC-7 P W wrote:
>
>> A couple of the photos attached for anyone, like me, that’s not on 
>> Instagram!
>>
>> [image: image0.jpeg][image: image1.jpeg][image: image2.jpeg][image: 
>> image3.jpeg][image: image4.jpeg][image: image5.jpeg][image: 
>> image6.jpeg][image: 
>> image7.jpeg]
>>
>> P. W.
>> ~
>> (917) 514-2207
>> ~
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sep 30, 2024, at 3:27 PM, P W  wrote:
>>
>> I finished mine up last week and Kyle from Allez just took a few very 
>> nice photos, if anyone is interested in seeing the direction I went:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Allez LA! on Instagram: "OK! Here it is, a look at the first DEEP custom 
>> @rivbike Roaduno to come out of the shop!!! This one is everyone’s favorite 
>> intern UK Phil a.k.a Old Man Grav!!! There is literally too much going on 
>> here to even talk about, so we’ll let the photos do the talking. IYKYK" 
>> 
>> instagram.com 
>> 
>> 
>>
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>
>>
>> P. W.
>> ~
>> (917) 514-2207
>> ~
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 3, 2024, at 2:07 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>
>> "just in time for your September summit of Mount Diablo"
>>
>> bet on it.  The question is: will my Roaduno be a 2-speed, a 4-speed, a 
>> 6-speed, or maybe even a 14-speed?  
>>
>> BL in EC
>>
>> On Saturday, August 3, 2024 at 2:04:43 PM UTC-7 Ryan wrote:
>>
>>> just in time for your September summit of Mount Diablo
>>>
>>> On Saturday, August 3, 2024 at 3:46:05 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 ...and now the Roadunos are in Oakland!  (according to Will's email)

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

 On Friday, August 2, 2024 at 5:32:41 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Those are two very cool bikes.  I currently own one of each.  The 
> Roaduno is definitely a much different bike than either of those two, 
> which 
> is why I'm getting one.  Enjoy them!  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
> On Thursday, August 1, 2024 at 6:44:32 PM UTC-7 velomann wrote:
>
>> Well, it's been an exciting couple weeks for me. New Bike Day x2! - 
>> and peripherally Roaduno related.
>>
>> As I've stated elsewhere, I was psyched a couple years ago about what 
>> I thought was the original vision for the Roaduno. I was looking forward 
>> to 
>> a purpose-built Rivendell single-speed with 120 rear spacing, 650b 
>> wheels, 
>> cantilever brakes, and spacing for wide-ish tires. I was saving money 
>> and 
>> collecting parts.
>>  But we all know how the design morphed, and while the Roaduno is an 
>> interesting bike for sure, it's no longer the bike I want.
>>
>> I started looking towards the Crust Lightning Bolt single speed, and 
>> the Crust Florida Man, and was even thinking about getting both.
>>
>> Then a couple weeks ago, someone on the ibob list posted a Black 
>> Mountain Cycles rim-brake Monstercross frame/fork/headset in my size for 
>> a 
>> great price, and while it's not a singlespeed, it could easily be one 
>> and 
>> shares a lot of similarities with the Florida Man (but in 700c). Plus, I 
>> have a Black Mountain rim-brake road (no longer in production) and last 
>> year sold my Black Mountain Road+ when I built up my Ritchey Outback 
>> Breakaway, because I knew I'd probably never ride it with the Ritchey in 
>> the stable. I've communicated a lot with Mike Varley, am a fan of the 
>> bikes 
>> and his aesthetic, and have a couple friends who own a Monstercross. AND 
>> the frame was the same color, and has the same Pacenti fork crown, as my 
>> wrecked Ocean Air Cycles Rambler - the bike I've put the most miles on 
>> and 
>> with which I've had my most epic adventures. So, I bought it, I built it 
>> up, and it is an absolute blast to ride. I built it up wit

Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno - Are you buying one?

[Bill Lindsay]

Cute.  Very nice selection of parts.  -BUT- I'd change two things:

1. I think that front rack is the best possible front rack.  Install it in 
the lower tabs behind the axle and you'll be able to get it a little closer 
to level.  
2. The photo of the front brake setup makes it look pretty wonky.  Like the 
center pull yoke is all tilted and then you adjusted the spring tension 
around that tilted yoke.  I'd give that a good look and re-do that setup.  

Enthusiastic APPROVE.  Do you like it?

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA
On Monday, September 30, 2024 at 3:31:23 PM UTC-7 P W wrote:

> A couple of the photos attached for anyone, like me, that’s not on 
> Instagram!
>
> [image: image0.jpeg][image: image1.jpeg][image: image2.jpeg][image: 
> image3.jpeg][image: image4.jpeg][image: image5.jpeg][image: 
> image6.jpeg][image: 
> image7.jpeg]
>
> P. W.
> ~
> (917) 514-2207
> ~
>
>
>
>
> On Sep 30, 2024, at 3:27 PM, P W  wrote:
>
> I finished mine up last week and Kyle from Allez just took a few very 
> nice photos, if anyone is interested in seeing the direction I went:
>
> 
>
> Allez LA! on Instagram: "OK! Here it is, a look at the first DEEP custom 
> @rivbike Roaduno to come out of the shop!!! This one is everyone’s favorite 
> intern UK Phil a.k.a Old Man Grav!!! There is literally too much going on 
> here to even talk about, so we’ll let the photos do the talking. IYKYK" 
> 
> instagram.com 
> 
> 
>
> 
>  
> 
>
>
> P. W.
> ~
> (917) 514-2207
> ~
>
>
>
>
> On Aug 3, 2024, at 2:07 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
> "just in time for your September summit of Mount Diablo"
>
> bet on it.  The question is: will my Roaduno be a 2-speed, a 4-speed, a 
> 6-speed, or maybe even a 14-speed?  
>
> BL in EC
>
> On Saturday, August 3, 2024 at 2:04:43 PM UTC-7 Ryan wrote:
>
>> just in time for your September summit of Mount Diablo
>>
>> On Saturday, August 3, 2024 at 3:46:05 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> ...and now the Roadunos are in Oakland!  (according to Will's email)
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Friday, August 2, 2024 at 5:32:41 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 Those are two very cool bikes.  I currently own one of each.  The 
 Roaduno is definitely a much different bike than either of those two, 
 which 
 is why I'm getting one.  Enjoy them!  

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA
 On Thursday, August 1, 2024 at 6:44:32 PM UTC-7 velomann wrote:

> Well, it's been an exciting couple weeks for me. New Bike Day x2! - 
> and peripherally Roaduno related.
>
> As I've stated elsewhere, I was psyched a couple years ago about what 
> I thought was the original vision for the Roaduno. I was looking forward 
> to 
> a purpose-built Rivendell single-speed with 120 rear spacing, 650b 
> wheels, 
> cantilever brakes, and spacing for wide-ish tires. I was saving money and 
> collecting parts.
>  But we all know how the design morphed, and while the Roaduno is an 
> interesting bike for sure, it's no longer the bike I want.
>
> I started looking towards the Crust Lightning Bolt single speed, and 
> the Crust Florida Man, and was even thinking about getting both.
>
> Then a couple weeks ago, someone on the ibob list posted a Black 
> Mountain Cycles rim-brake Monstercross frame/fork/headset in my size for 
> a 
> great price, and while it's not a singlespeed, it could easily be one and 
> shares a lot of similarities with the Florida Man (but in 700c). Plus, I 
> have a Black Mountain rim-brake road (no longer in production) and last 
> year sold my Black Mountain Road+ when I built up my Ritchey Outback 
> Breakaway, because I knew I'd probably never ride it with the Ritchey in 
> the stable. I've communicated a lot with Mike Varley, am a fan of the 
> bikes 
> and his aesthetic, and have a couple friends who own a Monstercross. AND 
> the frame was the same color, and has the same Pacenti fork crown, as my 
> wrecked Ocean Air Cycles Rambler - the bike I've put the most miles on 
> and 
> with which I've had my most epic adventures. So, I bought it, I built it 
> up, and it is an absolute blast to ride. I built it up with pretty much 
> all 
> parts I already had. Currently set up as a 1 x 10 with Microshift Sword, 
> but I plan to create a second cockpit with brake cables I can swap out 
> with 
> a Separate wheelset to run it Singlespeed.
>
> And last week someone else posted on the ibob list that they had a 
> Quickbeam in my size (!) that 

Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno - Are you buying one?

[P W]

I finished mine up last week and Kyle from Allez just took a few very nice photos, if anyone is interested in seeing the direction I went:Allez LA! on Instagram: "OK! Here it is, a look at the first DEEP custom @rivbike Roaduno to come out of the shop!!! This one is everyone’s favorite intern UK Phil a.k.a Old Man Grav!!! There is literally too much going on here to even talk about, so we’ll let the photos do the talking. IYKYK"instagram.comP. W.~(917) 514-2207~On Aug 3, 2024, at 2:07 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:"just in time for your September summit of Mount Diablo"bet on it.  The question is: will my Roaduno be a 2-speed, a 4-speed, a 6-speed, or maybe even a 14-speed?  BL in ECOn Saturday, August 3, 2024 at 2:04:43 PM UTC-7 Ryan wrote:just in time for your September summit of Mount DiabloOn Saturday, August 3, 2024 at 3:46:05 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:...and now the Roadunos are in Oakland!  (according to Will's email)Bill LindsayEl Cerrito, CAOn Friday, August 2, 2024 at 5:32:41 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:Those are two very cool bikes.  I currently own one of each.  The Roaduno is definitely a much different bike than either of those two, which is why I'm getting one.  Enjoy them!  Bill LindsayEl Cerrito, CAOn Thursday, August 1, 2024 at 6:44:32 PM UTC-7 velomann wrote:Well, it's been an exciting couple weeks for me. New Bike Day x2! - and peripherally Roaduno related.As I've stated elsewhere, I was psyched a couple years ago about what I thought was the original vision for the Roaduno. I was looking forward to a purpose-built Rivendell single-speed with 120 rear spacing, 650b wheels, cantilever brakes, and spacing for wide-ish tires. I was saving money and collecting parts. But we all know how the design morphed, and while the Roaduno is an interesting bike for sure, it's no longer the bike I want.I started looking towards the Crust Lightning Bolt single speed, and the Crust Florida Man, and was even thinking about getting both.Then a couple weeks ago, someone on the ibob list posted a Black Mountain Cycles rim-brake Monstercross frame/fork/headset in my size for a great price, and while it's not a singlespeed, it could easily be one and shares a lot of similarities with the Florida Man (but in 700c). Plus, I have a Black Mountain rim-brake road (no longer in production) and last year sold my Black Mountain Road+ when I built up my Ritchey Outback Breakaway, because I knew I'd probably never ride it with the Ritchey in the stable. I've communicated a lot with Mike Varley, am a fan of the bikes and his aesthetic, and have a couple friends who own a Monstercross. AND the frame was the same color, and has the same Pacenti fork crown, as my wrecked Ocean Air Cycles Rambler - the bike I've put the most miles on and with which I've had my most epic adventures. So, I bought it, I built it up, and it is an absolute blast to ride. I built it up with pretty much all parts I already had. Currently set up as a 1 x 10 with Microshift Sword, but I plan to create a second cockpit with brake cables I can swap out with a Separate wheelset to run it Singlespeed.And last week someone else posted on the ibob list that they had a Quickbeam in my size (!) that they were planning on selling as F/F/H, but were putting out feelers to see if anyone was interested in the complete bike. Not willing to ship, but if interested party was in northern Oregon, could make arrangements. Turns out the owner lives 2 miles from me. Only asking $200 more for complete bike, including Sugino crankset, Paul canti brakes, Compass tires, Maes Parallel bars, and White Industries Dos Uno freewheel, and Nitto 32F front rack. My test ride lasted about one wide-grinned minute before we completed the transaction. What a fun bike!Pics of both below.Mike MOn Sunday, June 23, 2024 at 1:59:43 PM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:The Roaduno sale begins Thursday June 27th noon Pacific time. Who is planning to buy one? Will you buy a frameset to build up or a complete? Color preference?I'm curious as to the demand for this bike. It's not JUST a single speed which I think is cool. And, cool is good in my lingo. What do you all think of the stock components?Let's talk Roaduno!!Doug



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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno v.1

[Edwin W]

Coming along step by step: a few more pictures here, showing clearance with 
gravel king 38s
https://flickr.com/photos/90785999@N06/albums/72177720319888300/

Edwin

On Saturday, August 31, 2024 at 1:19:10 AM UTC-5 nlerner wrote:

> Thanks for the comments, all.
>
> @shoji, I think there’s ample room for fenders. However, those Mavic rims 
> are fairly narrow; I haven’t measured the tires, but I’d guess they’re a 
> bit short of 44mm wide.
>
> @ryan, current gearing is 45/18, which is largely a flatland gear for me. 
> I’ll likely go with 44/28 x 20t freewheel when I convert it to 2 x 1.
>
> I have some hankering to take this bike to ride Cino in Montana next 
> month, but then I’d need to go with 3 x 1 gearing with a serious climbing 
> gear.
>
> Neal Lerner
> Brookline MA
> On Thursday, August 29, 2024 at 2:18:54 PM UTC-4 Edwin W wrote:
>
>> Mine is a 61.5, saddle height is not set finally, but is not far off my 
>> goal of 80-81cm
>> On Thursday, August 29, 2024 at 12:50:42 PM UTC-5 Richard Rose wrote:
>>
>>> I assume this one is a 58? What is the saddle height on yours?
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Aug 29, 2024, at 12:23 PM, Edwin W  wrote:
>>>
>>> I am just starting my build.. as usual learning a lot along the way 
>>> even though this is the simplest build I could possibly do!
>>>
>>>
>>> I will add as I proceed to this album: https://flic.kr/s/aHBqjBFggA
>>>
>>> Edwin
>>>
>>> On Thursday, August 29, 2024 at 7:11:50 AM UTC-5 nlerner wrote:
>>>
 [image: IMG_4524.jpeg]Finished building up my 54.5 cm Roaduno 
 yesterday and took it for a short test ride. Very smooth! Slack seat tube 
 angle! Amazingly tall stack height! In terms of the last, I’m concerned 
 that the stem I’m using is too short and that the wedge is tightening 
 against the threaded part of the steerer; I need to measure. Size-wise, 
 I’m 
 very pleased. For reference, my saddle height is 73cm from center of crank 
 to top of saddle.

 I have it set up as a single speed now, but will likely go for a 2 x 1 
 configuration once I’ve finished building a set of wheels (vintage Phil 
 Wood hubs and Sun M13 polished rims). Current bolt-on wheels are from my 
 Milwaukee single speed, which can only run max 30mm tires without fenders. 
 As shown the Roaduno is set up with 700 x 44 RH tires, and there’s ample 
 clearance. I’m very happy about that.

 One pic attached; others here: 
 https://www.flickr.com/gp/8858391@N04/Ctp08nZo74

 Neal Lerner
 Brookline MA

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno v.1

[nlerner]

Thanks for the comments, all.

@shoji, I think there’s ample room for fenders. However, those Mavic rims 
are fairly narrow; I haven’t measured the tires, but I’d guess they’re a 
bit short of 44mm wide.

@ryan, current gearing is 45/18, which is largely a flatland gear for me. 
I’ll likely go with 44/28 x 20t freewheel when I convert it to 2 x 1.

I have some hankering to take this bike to ride Cino in Montana next month, 
but then I’d need to go with 3 x 1 gearing with a serious climbing gear.

Neal Lerner
Brookline MA
On Thursday, August 29, 2024 at 2:18:54 PM UTC-4 Edwin W wrote:

> Mine is a 61.5, saddle height is not set finally, but is not far off my 
> goal of 80-81cm
> On Thursday, August 29, 2024 at 12:50:42 PM UTC-5 Richard Rose wrote:
>
>> I assume this one is a 58? What is the saddle height on yours?
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Aug 29, 2024, at 12:23 PM, Edwin W  wrote:
>>
>> I am just starting my build.. as usual learning a lot along the way even 
>> though this is the simplest build I could possibly do!
>>
>>
>> I will add as I proceed to this album: https://flic.kr/s/aHBqjBFggA
>>
>> Edwin
>>
>> On Thursday, August 29, 2024 at 7:11:50 AM UTC-5 nlerner wrote:
>>
>>> [image: IMG_4524.jpeg]Finished building up my 54.5 cm Roaduno yesterday 
>>> and took it for a short test ride. Very smooth! Slack seat tube angle! 
>>> Amazingly tall stack height! In terms of the last, I’m concerned that the 
>>> stem I’m using is too short and that the wedge is tightening against the 
>>> threaded part of the steerer; I need to measure. Size-wise, I’m very 
>>> pleased. For reference, my saddle height is 73cm from center of crank to 
>>> top of saddle.
>>>
>>> I have it set up as a single speed now, but will likely go for a 2 x 1 
>>> configuration once I’ve finished building a set of wheels (vintage Phil 
>>> Wood hubs and Sun M13 polished rims). Current bolt-on wheels are from my 
>>> Milwaukee single speed, which can only run max 30mm tires without fenders. 
>>> As shown the Roaduno is set up with 700 x 44 RH tires, and there’s ample 
>>> clearance. I’m very happy about that.
>>>
>>> One pic attached; others here: 
>>> https://www.flickr.com/gp/8858391@N04/Ctp08nZo74
>>>
>>> Neal Lerner
>>> Brookline MA
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno v.1

[Edwin W]

Mine is a 61.5, saddle height is not set finally, but is not far off my 
goal of 80-81cm
On Thursday, August 29, 2024 at 12:50:42 PM UTC-5 Richard Rose wrote:

> I assume this one is a 58? What is the saddle height on yours?
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 29, 2024, at 12:23 PM, Edwin W  wrote:
>
> I am just starting my build.. as usual learning a lot along the way even 
> though this is the simplest build I could possibly do!
>
>
> I will add as I proceed to this album: https://flic.kr/s/aHBqjBFggA
>
> Edwin
>
> On Thursday, August 29, 2024 at 7:11:50 AM UTC-5 nlerner wrote:
>
>> [image: IMG_4524.jpeg]Finished building up my 54.5 cm Roaduno yesterday 
>> and took it for a short test ride. Very smooth! Slack seat tube angle! 
>> Amazingly tall stack height! In terms of the last, I’m concerned that the 
>> stem I’m using is too short and that the wedge is tightening against the 
>> threaded part of the steerer; I need to measure. Size-wise, I’m very 
>> pleased. For reference, my saddle height is 73cm from center of crank to 
>> top of saddle.
>>
>> I have it set up as a single speed now, but will likely go for a 2 x 1 
>> configuration once I’ve finished building a set of wheels (vintage Phil 
>> Wood hubs and Sun M13 polished rims). Current bolt-on wheels are from my 
>> Milwaukee single speed, which can only run max 30mm tires without fenders. 
>> As shown the Roaduno is set up with 700 x 44 RH tires, and there’s ample 
>> clearance. I’m very happy about that.
>>
>> One pic attached; others here: 
>> https://www.flickr.com/gp/8858391@N04/Ctp08nZo74
>>
>> Neal Lerner
>> Brookline MA
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno v.1

[Richard Rose]

I assume this one is a 58? What is the saddle height on yours?Sent from my iPhoneOn Aug 29, 2024, at 12:23 PM, Edwin W  wrote:I am just starting my build.. as usual learning a lot along the way even though this is the simplest build I could possibly do!I will add as I proceed to this album: https://flic.kr/s/aHBqjBFggAEdwinOn Thursday, August 29, 2024 at 7:11:50 AM UTC-5 nlerner wrote:Finished building up my 54.5 cm Roaduno yesterday and took it for a short test ride. Very smooth! Slack seat tube angle! Amazingly tall stack height! In terms of the last, I’m concerned that the stem I’m using is too short and that the wedge is tightening against the threaded part of the steerer; I need to measure. Size-wise, I’m very pleased. For reference, my saddle height is 73cm from center of crank to top of saddle.I have it set up as a single speed now, but will likely go for a 2 x 1 configuration once I’ve finished building a set of wheels (vintage Phil Wood hubs and Sun M13 polished rims). Current bolt-on wheels are from my Milwaukee single speed, which can only run max 30mm tires without fenders. As shown the Roaduno is set up with 700 x 44 RH tires, and there’s ample clearance. I’m very happy about that.One pic attached; others here: https://www.flickr.com/gp/8858391@N04/Ctp08nZo74Neal LernerBrookline MA



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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno v.1

[tio ryan]

Nice build, Neal! 

What gear ratio are you running on there? 

On Thursday, August 29, 2024 at 10:13:25 AM UTC-4 thomas.all...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> That looks wonderful.
>
> On Thursday, August 29, 2024 at 9:52:10 AM UTC-4 philip@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Looks great!
>>
>> Going with the same tires on my silver one, too.
>>
>> I believe the frameset I ordered has now arrived at my local shop.
>>
>> So build should commence shortly!
>>
>> P. W.
>> ~
>> (917) 514-2207
>> ~
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 29, 2024, at 6:33 AM, Shoji Takahashi  
>> wrote:
>>
>> That looks fun!
>>
>>
>> Do you think you can fit fenders with the 44s? Is there room with the 
>> brakes? 
>>
>> Thanks
>> Shoji 
>> Arlington MA
>>
>> On Thursday, August 29, 2024 at 8:11:50 AM UTC-4 nlerner wrote:
>>
>>> [image: IMG_4524.jpeg]Finished building up my 54.5 cm Roaduno yesterday 
>>> and took it for a short test ride. Very smooth! Slack seat tube angle! 
>>> Amazingly tall stack height! In terms of the last, I’m concerned that the 
>>> stem I’m using is too short and that the wedge is tightening against the 
>>> threaded part of the steerer; I need to measure. Size-wise, I’m very 
>>> pleased. For reference, my saddle height is 73cm from center of crank to 
>>> top of saddle.
>>>
>>> I have it set up as a single speed now, but will likely go for a 2 x 1 
>>> configuration once I’ve finished building a set of wheels (vintage Phil 
>>> Wood hubs and Sun M13 polished rims). Current bolt-on wheels are from my 
>>> Milwaukee single speed, which can only run max 30mm tires without fenders. 
>>> As shown the Roaduno is set up with 700 x 44 RH tires, and there’s ample 
>>> clearance. I’m very happy about that.
>>>
>>> One pic attached; others here: 
>>> https://www.flickr.com/gp/8858391@N04/Ctp08nZo74
>>>
>>> Neal Lerner
>>> Brookline MA
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno v.1

[Tom Allingham]

That looks wonderful.

On Thursday, August 29, 2024 at 9:52:10 AM UTC-4 philip@gmail.com wrote:

> Looks great!
>
> Going with the same tires on my silver one, too.
>
> I believe the frameset I ordered has now arrived at my local shop.
>
> So build should commence shortly!
>
> P. W.
> ~
> (917) 514-2207
> ~
>
>
>
>
> On Aug 29, 2024, at 6:33 AM, Shoji Takahashi  wrote:
>
> That looks fun!
>
>
> Do you think you can fit fenders with the 44s? Is there room with the 
> brakes? 
>
> Thanks
> Shoji 
> Arlington MA
>
> On Thursday, August 29, 2024 at 8:11:50 AM UTC-4 nlerner wrote:
>
>> [image: IMG_4524.jpeg]Finished building up my 54.5 cm Roaduno yesterday 
>> and took it for a short test ride. Very smooth! Slack seat tube angle! 
>> Amazingly tall stack height! In terms of the last, I’m concerned that the 
>> stem I’m using is too short and that the wedge is tightening against the 
>> threaded part of the steerer; I need to measure. Size-wise, I’m very 
>> pleased. For reference, my saddle height is 73cm from center of crank to 
>> top of saddle.
>>
>> I have it set up as a single speed now, but will likely go for a 2 x 1 
>> configuration once I’ve finished building a set of wheels (vintage Phil 
>> Wood hubs and Sun M13 polished rims). Current bolt-on wheels are from my 
>> Milwaukee single speed, which can only run max 30mm tires without fenders. 
>> As shown the Roaduno is set up with 700 x 44 RH tires, and there’s ample 
>> clearance. I’m very happy about that.
>>
>> One pic attached; others here: 
>> https://www.flickr.com/gp/8858391@N04/Ctp08nZo74
>>
>> Neal Lerner
>> Brookline MA
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno v.1

[P W]

Looks great!Going with the same tires on my silver one, too.I believe the frameset I ordered has now arrived at my local shop.So build should commence shortly!P. W.~(917) 514-2207~On Aug 29, 2024, at 6:33 AM, Shoji Takahashi  wrote:That looks fun!Do you think you can fit fenders with the 44s? Is there room with the brakes? ThanksShoji Arlington MAOn Thursday, August 29, 2024 at 8:11:50 AM UTC-4 nlerner wrote:Finished building up my 54.5 cm Roaduno yesterday and took it for a short test ride. Very smooth! Slack seat tube angle! Amazingly tall stack height! In terms of the last, I’m concerned that the stem I’m using is too short and that the wedge is tightening against the threaded part of the steerer; I need to measure. Size-wise, I’m very pleased. For reference, my saddle height is 73cm from center of crank to top of saddle.I have it set up as a single speed now, but will likely go for a 2 x 1 configuration once I’ve finished building a set of wheels (vintage Phil Wood hubs and Sun M13 polished rims). Current bolt-on wheels are from my Milwaukee single speed, which can only run max 30mm tires without fenders. As shown the Roaduno is set up with 700 x 44 RH tires, and there’s ample clearance. I’m very happy about that.One pic attached; others here: https://www.flickr.com/gp/8858391@N04/Ctp08nZo74Neal LernerBrookline MA



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Re: [RBW] Re: RoadUno build anticipation

[Jeffery S]

@Ryan pretty sure that's a Rohloff chain tensioner

On Friday, August 16, 2024 at 5:50:08 AM UTC-6 Ryan wrote:

> I'd second that! I always appreciate Mr. Lindsay's creative and elegant 
> builds and the thought processes behind them.
>
> Not in bike acquisition mode right now, but if I was I'd be all over the 
> Roaduno...which in flat Winnipeg , I would just leave as a singlespeed. For 
> now I will just live vicariously through y'all.
>
> No doubt you've seen Blue Lug's build party with a SS purple and 2 or 4 
> speed mustard. The 2 young guys doing the builds seem to be having a lot of 
> fun building them and , most importantly, riding them. I really like the 
> minimalist purple. The tensioner on the mustard sure looks like a 
> deraiileur to me. What is it?
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADPaX6T-BO4
>  
> On Thursday, August 15, 2024 at 10:34:18 PM UTC-5 Nick A. wrote:
>
>> I'd like to posit for consideration Mr. Lindsay in our space as our own 
>> resident ""genius maniac". All of the approves and kudos. I'm always happy 
>> and inspired by your ideas and updates. 
>>
>> Nick in FC VA
>>
>> On Thursday, August 15, 2024 at 10:11:48 PM UTC-4 Danny wrote:
>>
>>> Bill, that build sounds freaky in the best of ways, can't wait to see 
>>> the finished project! Worthy of a Riv newsletter feature no doubt!
>>>
>>> Danny
>>> Madison, WI
>>>
>>> On Thursday, August 15, 2024 at 8:51:24 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 I probably won't sneak any more oil slick bits on there.  I'm pretty 
 normcore when it comes to that stuff.  

 The way I'll let my freak flag fly will be in the drivetrain setup.  
 I've built my own 120mm O.L.D. cassette hubs, upcycled from an obsolete 
 model of Shimano hub intended for small-wheel bikes (like folders, 
 miniVelos and some recumbents).  That hub takes regular cassette cogs, 
 just 
 less of them.  My multigear or touring configuration will have a 6 speed 
 cassette on that cassette hub.  There will be a front derailleur with a 
 downtube shifter.  The rear derailleur will be actuated by a Silver 
 Shifter 
 on a Paul Thumbie clamped to the seat tube.  The Paul Thumbie is 31.8mm 
 and 
 so I'll use the same plastic shims that one uses to mount a 31.8mm front 
 derailleur onto a 28.6 seat tube.  The housing guides will be two P-clips 
 down the drive side seatstay bolted to the two rack/fender eyelets.  That 
 touring wheelset already exists and is running on my Quickbeam today and 
 features a SON Dynamo up front.  That's why Will was counting on me to be 
 "at Least one Maniac".  

 Because both shifters will be ergonomically hidden, I'll still ride it 
 like it's a single speed.  I won't be shifting like crazy like the 
 "1-tooth 
 jump" brifter-crowd.  But when I get to a steep hill, there will be 
 another 
 "single speed" that's lower.  

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

 On Thursday, August 15, 2024 at 6:14:01 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding 
 Ding! wrote:

> Wilding and oil slick. It’s what we’re doing now. 
>
> Can’t wait to see the rest of the bike. Hope you sneak a few extra oil 
> slick bits in there. 
> Leah
>
> On Aug 15, 2024, at 10:36 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
> Leah
>
>
> I will not be going wild in that way.  I will, however, brace myself 
> for a forthcoming scolding for the cultural references implied when using 
> the phrase "to go wild". :-)
>
> "Did you get this inspiration from the My Little Platy?"  I was on 
> oil-slick much earlier, and your Platy did not put me off the oil slick. 
>  It started with the wrench.  One of the local bike shops that I 
> sometimes 
> visit is The Pedaler in El Sobrante.  They have a pretty nice BMX and 
> fixie 
> case of things, and the compact "Affinity" brand 15mm ratchet caught my 
> eye.  The guy said they got the oil slick treatment special from 
> Affinity, 
> and he had it in black also.  I sprung for the oil slick because it was 
> cool.  
>
> In parallel, I've been waiting for an opportunity to use Vans grips. 
>  I grew up in Orange County and I am of a sufficient age that my grade 
> school used to tour the Vans Factory there in the city of Orange.  Back 
> then, a pair of Vans was $20, and for an extra $1 they would build your 
> Vans in whatever custom combination of their colors that you could think 
> up.  You'd just walk into the Vans store and pick your color way.  
>
> Then, when curating the color way for my forthcoming RoadUno build I 
> was looking at various purple grips, and discovered that one of the 
> numerous grips available in Purple is the Vans offering, and that grip 
> featured the oil slick treatment on the clamp.  So, I decided the grip 
> matching the wrench was just meant to be.  While I ordered t

Re: [RBW] Re: RoadUno build anticipation

[Ryan]

I'd second that! I always appreciate Mr. Lindsay's creative and elegant 
builds and the thought processes behind them.

Not in bike acquisition mode right now, but if I was I'd be all over the 
Roaduno...which in flat Winnipeg , I would just leave as a singlespeed. For 
now I will just live vicariously through y'all.

No doubt you've seen Blue Lug's build party with a SS purple and 2 or 4 
speed mustard. The 2 young guys doing the builds seem to be having a lot of 
fun building them and , most importantly, riding them. I really like the 
minimalist purple. The tensioner on the mustard sure looks like a 
deraiileur to me. What is it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADPaX6T-BO4
 
On Thursday, August 15, 2024 at 10:34:18 PM UTC-5 Nick A. wrote:

> I'd like to posit for consideration Mr. Lindsay in our space as our own 
> resident ""genius maniac". All of the approves and kudos. I'm always happy 
> and inspired by your ideas and updates. 
>
> Nick in FC VA
>
> On Thursday, August 15, 2024 at 10:11:48 PM UTC-4 Danny wrote:
>
>> Bill, that build sounds freaky in the best of ways, can't wait to see the 
>> finished project! Worthy of a Riv newsletter feature no doubt!
>>
>> Danny
>> Madison, WI
>>
>> On Thursday, August 15, 2024 at 8:51:24 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> I probably won't sneak any more oil slick bits on there.  I'm pretty 
>>> normcore when it comes to that stuff.  
>>>
>>> The way I'll let my freak flag fly will be in the drivetrain setup.  
>>> I've built my own 120mm O.L.D. cassette hubs, upcycled from an obsolete 
>>> model of Shimano hub intended for small-wheel bikes (like folders, 
>>> miniVelos and some recumbents).  That hub takes regular cassette cogs, just 
>>> less of them.  My multigear or touring configuration will have a 6 speed 
>>> cassette on that cassette hub.  There will be a front derailleur with a 
>>> downtube shifter.  The rear derailleur will be actuated by a Silver Shifter 
>>> on a Paul Thumbie clamped to the seat tube.  The Paul Thumbie is 31.8mm and 
>>> so I'll use the same plastic shims that one uses to mount a 31.8mm front 
>>> derailleur onto a 28.6 seat tube.  The housing guides will be two P-clips 
>>> down the drive side seatstay bolted to the two rack/fender eyelets.  That 
>>> touring wheelset already exists and is running on my Quickbeam today and 
>>> features a SON Dynamo up front.  That's why Will was counting on me to be 
>>> "at Least one Maniac".  
>>>
>>> Because both shifters will be ergonomically hidden, I'll still ride it 
>>> like it's a single speed.  I won't be shifting like crazy like the "1-tooth 
>>> jump" brifter-crowd.  But when I get to a steep hill, there will be another 
>>> "single speed" that's lower.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Thursday, August 15, 2024 at 6:14:01 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
 Wilding and oil slick. It’s what we’re doing now. 

 Can’t wait to see the rest of the bike. Hope you sneak a few extra oil 
 slick bits in there. 
 Leah

 On Aug 15, 2024, at 10:36 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:

 Leah


 I will not be going wild in that way.  I will, however, brace myself 
 for a forthcoming scolding for the cultural references implied when using 
 the phrase "to go wild". :-)

 "Did you get this inspiration from the My Little Platy?"  I was on 
 oil-slick much earlier, and your Platy did not put me off the oil slick. 
  It started with the wrench.  One of the local bike shops that I sometimes 
 visit is The Pedaler in El Sobrante.  They have a pretty nice BMX and 
 fixie 
 case of things, and the compact "Affinity" brand 15mm ratchet caught my 
 eye.  The guy said they got the oil slick treatment special from Affinity, 
 and he had it in black also.  I sprung for the oil slick because it was 
 cool.  

 In parallel, I've been waiting for an opportunity to use Vans grips.  I 
 grew up in Orange County and I am of a sufficient age that my grade school 
 used to tour the Vans Factory there in the city of Orange.  Back then, a 
 pair of Vans was $20, and for an extra $1 they would build your Vans in 
 whatever custom combination of their colors that you could think up.  
 You'd 
 just walk into the Vans store and pick your color way.  

 Then, when curating the color way for my forthcoming RoadUno build I 
 was looking at various purple grips, and discovered that one of the 
 numerous grips available in Purple is the Vans offering, and that grip 
 featured the oil slick treatment on the clamp.  So, I decided the grip 
 matching the wrench was just meant to be.  While I ordered the Purple ones 
 I also got a set of the traditional gum color also, so they really look 
 like the Vans soles that I wore throughout my youth.  

 In my communications with Will, I did confirm that his crack "at least 
 one maniac will..." w

Re: [RBW] Re: RoadUno build anticipation

[Nick A.]

I'd like to posit for consideration Mr. Lindsay in our space as our own 
resident ""genius maniac". All of the approves and kudos. I'm always happy 
and inspired by your ideas and updates. 

Nick in FC VA

On Thursday, August 15, 2024 at 10:11:48 PM UTC-4 Danny wrote:

> Bill, that build sounds freaky in the best of ways, can't wait to see the 
> finished project! Worthy of a Riv newsletter feature no doubt!
>
> Danny
> Madison, WI
>
> On Thursday, August 15, 2024 at 8:51:24 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> I probably won't sneak any more oil slick bits on there.  I'm pretty 
>> normcore when it comes to that stuff.  
>>
>> The way I'll let my freak flag fly will be in the drivetrain setup.  I've 
>> built my own 120mm O.L.D. cassette hubs, upcycled from an obsolete model of 
>> Shimano hub intended for small-wheel bikes (like folders, miniVelos and 
>> some recumbents).  That hub takes regular cassette cogs, just less of 
>> them.  My multigear or touring configuration will have a 6 speed cassette 
>> on that cassette hub.  There will be a front derailleur with a downtube 
>> shifter.  The rear derailleur will be actuated by a Silver Shifter on a 
>> Paul Thumbie clamped to the seat tube.  The Paul Thumbie is 31.8mm and so 
>> I'll use the same plastic shims that one uses to mount a 31.8mm front 
>> derailleur onto a 28.6 seat tube.  The housing guides will be two P-clips 
>> down the drive side seatstay bolted to the two rack/fender eyelets.  That 
>> touring wheelset already exists and is running on my Quickbeam today and 
>> features a SON Dynamo up front.  That's why Will was counting on me to be 
>> "at Least one Maniac".  
>>
>> Because both shifters will be ergonomically hidden, I'll still ride it 
>> like it's a single speed.  I won't be shifting like crazy like the "1-tooth 
>> jump" brifter-crowd.  But when I get to a steep hill, there will be another 
>> "single speed" that's lower.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Thursday, August 15, 2024 at 6:14:01 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Wilding and oil slick. It’s what we’re doing now. 
>>>
>>> Can’t wait to see the rest of the bike. Hope you sneak a few extra oil 
>>> slick bits in there. 
>>> Leah
>>>
>>> On Aug 15, 2024, at 10:36 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>>
>>> Leah
>>>
>>>
>>> I will not be going wild in that way.  I will, however, brace myself for 
>>> a forthcoming scolding for the cultural references implied when using the 
>>> phrase "to go wild". :-)
>>>
>>> "Did you get this inspiration from the My Little Platy?"  I was on 
>>> oil-slick much earlier, and your Platy did not put me off the oil slick. 
>>>  It started with the wrench.  One of the local bike shops that I sometimes 
>>> visit is The Pedaler in El Sobrante.  They have a pretty nice BMX and fixie 
>>> case of things, and the compact "Affinity" brand 15mm ratchet caught my 
>>> eye.  The guy said they got the oil slick treatment special from Affinity, 
>>> and he had it in black also.  I sprung for the oil slick because it was 
>>> cool.  
>>>
>>> In parallel, I've been waiting for an opportunity to use Vans grips.  I 
>>> grew up in Orange County and I am of a sufficient age that my grade school 
>>> used to tour the Vans Factory there in the city of Orange.  Back then, a 
>>> pair of Vans was $20, and for an extra $1 they would build your Vans in 
>>> whatever custom combination of their colors that you could think up.  You'd 
>>> just walk into the Vans store and pick your color way.  
>>>
>>> Then, when curating the color way for my forthcoming RoadUno build I was 
>>> looking at various purple grips, and discovered that one of the numerous 
>>> grips available in Purple is the Vans offering, and that grip featured the 
>>> oil slick treatment on the clamp.  So, I decided the grip matching the 
>>> wrench was just meant to be.  While I ordered the Purple ones I also got a 
>>> set of the traditional gum color also, so they really look like the Vans 
>>> soles that I wore throughout my youth.  
>>>
>>> In my communications with Will, I did confirm that his crack "at least 
>>> one maniac will..." was aimed at me.  So as to not let him down, I've got a 
>>> unique drivetrain configuration in store that will earn the title and freak 
>>> out the traditionalists.  I even went on Custom Ink and designed this 
>>> T-Shirt.  I haven't ordered it yet:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.customink.com/designs/alom/mzf0-00cw-2gh6/rsdfu/?utm_content=lsdimg&utm_source=RSDFU%20%28SNB%29&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=rsdfu_savers_day21%20%28NbhxDx%29&_kx=NXF_6Lml056J_AH2BzBbymb1-qXdxA063E_tUUQ9xu1TNQ5y-8PreOKuIj_8jDWG.Q4AcEH
>>>
>>> I'm counting on having it set up for a September Diablo Summit
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Thursday, August 15, 2024 at 4:45:32 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
 Oil slick! Did you get this inspiration from the My Little Platy?! If 
 you really want to go wild, I will send you all the li

Re: [RBW] Re: RoadUno build anticipation

[Danny]

Bill, that build sounds freaky in the best of ways, can't wait to see the 
finished project! Worthy of a Riv newsletter feature no doubt!

Danny
Madison, WI

On Thursday, August 15, 2024 at 8:51:24 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I probably won't sneak any more oil slick bits on there.  I'm pretty 
> normcore when it comes to that stuff.  
>
> The way I'll let my freak flag fly will be in the drivetrain setup.  I've 
> built my own 120mm O.L.D. cassette hubs, upcycled from an obsolete model of 
> Shimano hub intended for small-wheel bikes (like folders, miniVelos and 
> some recumbents).  That hub takes regular cassette cogs, just less of 
> them.  My multigear or touring configuration will have a 6 speed cassette 
> on that cassette hub.  There will be a front derailleur with a downtube 
> shifter.  The rear derailleur will be actuated by a Silver Shifter on a 
> Paul Thumbie clamped to the seat tube.  The Paul Thumbie is 31.8mm and so 
> I'll use the same plastic shims that one uses to mount a 31.8mm front 
> derailleur onto a 28.6 seat tube.  The housing guides will be two P-clips 
> down the drive side seatstay bolted to the two rack/fender eyelets.  That 
> touring wheelset already exists and is running on my Quickbeam today and 
> features a SON Dynamo up front.  That's why Will was counting on me to be 
> "at Least one Maniac".  
>
> Because both shifters will be ergonomically hidden, I'll still ride it 
> like it's a single speed.  I won't be shifting like crazy like the "1-tooth 
> jump" brifter-crowd.  But when I get to a steep hill, there will be another 
> "single speed" that's lower.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Thursday, August 15, 2024 at 6:14:01 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Wilding and oil slick. It’s what we’re doing now. 
>>
>> Can’t wait to see the rest of the bike. Hope you sneak a few extra oil 
>> slick bits in there. 
>> Leah
>>
>> On Aug 15, 2024, at 10:36 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>
>> Leah
>>
>>
>> I will not be going wild in that way.  I will, however, brace myself for 
>> a forthcoming scolding for the cultural references implied when using the 
>> phrase "to go wild". :-)
>>
>> "Did you get this inspiration from the My Little Platy?"  I was on 
>> oil-slick much earlier, and your Platy did not put me off the oil slick. 
>>  It started with the wrench.  One of the local bike shops that I sometimes 
>> visit is The Pedaler in El Sobrante.  They have a pretty nice BMX and fixie 
>> case of things, and the compact "Affinity" brand 15mm ratchet caught my 
>> eye.  The guy said they got the oil slick treatment special from Affinity, 
>> and he had it in black also.  I sprung for the oil slick because it was 
>> cool.  
>>
>> In parallel, I've been waiting for an opportunity to use Vans grips.  I 
>> grew up in Orange County and I am of a sufficient age that my grade school 
>> used to tour the Vans Factory there in the city of Orange.  Back then, a 
>> pair of Vans was $20, and for an extra $1 they would build your Vans in 
>> whatever custom combination of their colors that you could think up.  You'd 
>> just walk into the Vans store and pick your color way.  
>>
>> Then, when curating the color way for my forthcoming RoadUno build I was 
>> looking at various purple grips, and discovered that one of the numerous 
>> grips available in Purple is the Vans offering, and that grip featured the 
>> oil slick treatment on the clamp.  So, I decided the grip matching the 
>> wrench was just meant to be.  While I ordered the Purple ones I also got a 
>> set of the traditional gum color also, so they really look like the Vans 
>> soles that I wore throughout my youth.  
>>
>> In my communications with Will, I did confirm that his crack "at least 
>> one maniac will..." was aimed at me.  So as to not let him down, I've got a 
>> unique drivetrain configuration in store that will earn the title and freak 
>> out the traditionalists.  I even went on Custom Ink and designed this 
>> T-Shirt.  I haven't ordered it yet:
>>
>>
>> https://www.customink.com/designs/alom/mzf0-00cw-2gh6/rsdfu/?utm_content=lsdimg&utm_source=RSDFU%20%28SNB%29&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=rsdfu_savers_day21%20%28NbhxDx%29&_kx=NXF_6Lml056J_AH2BzBbymb1-qXdxA063E_tUUQ9xu1TNQ5y-8PreOKuIj_8jDWG.Q4AcEH
>>
>> I'm counting on having it set up for a September Diablo Summit
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Thursday, August 15, 2024 at 4:45:32 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Oil slick! Did you get this inspiration from the My Little Platy?! If 
>>> you really want to go wild, I will send you all the links for all the oil 
>>> slick you can handle. They even sell oil slick bolts for the bottle cage 
>>> mounts/rack mounts on Amazon… I do love eggplant and silver. This will be 
>>> great. APPROVE.
>>> Leah
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, August 14, 2024 at 7:58:37 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 I'm eagerly waiting for the container to get to Walnut Creek.  Today my 
>>>

Re: [RBW] Re: RoadUno build anticipation

[Bill Lindsay]

I probably won't sneak any more oil slick bits on there.  I'm pretty 
normcore when it comes to that stuff.  

The way I'll let my freak flag fly will be in the drivetrain setup.  I've 
built my own 120mm O.L.D. cassette hubs, upcycled from an obsolete model of 
Shimano hub intended for small-wheel bikes (like folders, miniVelos and 
some recumbents).  That hub takes regular cassette cogs, just less of 
them.  My multigear or touring configuration will have a 6 speed cassette 
on that cassette hub.  There will be a front derailleur with a downtube 
shifter.  The rear derailleur will be actuated by a Silver Shifter on a 
Paul Thumbie clamped to the seat tube.  The Paul Thumbie is 31.8mm and so 
I'll use the same plastic shims that one uses to mount a 31.8mm front 
derailleur onto a 28.6 seat tube.  The housing guides will be two P-clips 
down the drive side seatstay bolted to the two rack/fender eyelets.  That 
touring wheelset already exists and is running on my Quickbeam today and 
features a SON Dynamo up front.  That's why Will was counting on me to be 
"at Least one Maniac".  

Because both shifters will be ergonomically hidden, I'll still ride it like 
it's a single speed.  I won't be shifting like crazy like the "1-tooth 
jump" brifter-crowd.  But when I get to a steep hill, there will be another 
"single speed" that's lower.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Thursday, August 15, 2024 at 6:14:01 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Wilding and oil slick. It’s what we’re doing now. 
>
> Can’t wait to see the rest of the bike. Hope you sneak a few extra oil 
> slick bits in there. 
> Leah
>
> On Aug 15, 2024, at 10:36 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
> Leah
>
>
> I will not be going wild in that way.  I will, however, brace myself for a 
> forthcoming scolding for the cultural references implied when using the 
> phrase "to go wild". :-)
>
> "Did you get this inspiration from the My Little Platy?"  I was on 
> oil-slick much earlier, and your Platy did not put me off the oil slick. 
>  It started with the wrench.  One of the local bike shops that I sometimes 
> visit is The Pedaler in El Sobrante.  They have a pretty nice BMX and fixie 
> case of things, and the compact "Affinity" brand 15mm ratchet caught my 
> eye.  The guy said they got the oil slick treatment special from Affinity, 
> and he had it in black also.  I sprung for the oil slick because it was 
> cool.  
>
> In parallel, I've been waiting for an opportunity to use Vans grips.  I 
> grew up in Orange County and I am of a sufficient age that my grade school 
> used to tour the Vans Factory there in the city of Orange.  Back then, a 
> pair of Vans was $20, and for an extra $1 they would build your Vans in 
> whatever custom combination of their colors that you could think up.  You'd 
> just walk into the Vans store and pick your color way.  
>
> Then, when curating the color way for my forthcoming RoadUno build I was 
> looking at various purple grips, and discovered that one of the numerous 
> grips available in Purple is the Vans offering, and that grip featured the 
> oil slick treatment on the clamp.  So, I decided the grip matching the 
> wrench was just meant to be.  While I ordered the Purple ones I also got a 
> set of the traditional gum color also, so they really look like the Vans 
> soles that I wore throughout my youth.  
>
> In my communications with Will, I did confirm that his crack "at least one 
> maniac will..." was aimed at me.  So as to not let him down, I've got a 
> unique drivetrain configuration in store that will earn the title and freak 
> out the traditionalists.  I even went on Custom Ink and designed this 
> T-Shirt.  I haven't ordered it yet:
>
>
> https://www.customink.com/designs/alom/mzf0-00cw-2gh6/rsdfu/?utm_content=lsdimg&utm_source=RSDFU%20%28SNB%29&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=rsdfu_savers_day21%20%28NbhxDx%29&_kx=NXF_6Lml056J_AH2BzBbymb1-qXdxA063E_tUUQ9xu1TNQ5y-8PreOKuIj_8jDWG.Q4AcEH
>
> I'm counting on having it set up for a September Diablo Summit
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Thursday, August 15, 2024 at 4:45:32 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Oil slick! Did you get this inspiration from the My Little Platy?! If you 
>> really want to go wild, I will send you all the links for all the oil slick 
>> you can handle. They even sell oil slick bolts for the bottle cage 
>> mounts/rack mounts on Amazon… I do love eggplant and silver. This will be 
>> great. APPROVE.
>> Leah
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 14, 2024 at 7:58:37 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> I'm eagerly waiting for the container to get to Walnut Creek.  Today my 
>>> grips came in.  I'm going with a Silver RoadUno, which features purples in 
>>> the graphics.  I bought purple Vans Lock on grips, whose clamps match a 
>>> very cool oil slick purple Affinity 15mm mini ratchet wrench that I already 
>>> had.  In front of the brake levers I'll run eggplant Newbaums, which I'll 
>>> wrap over a layer of ESI sili

Re: [RBW] Re: RoadUno build anticipation

[Leah Peterson]

Wilding and oil slick. It’s what we’re doing now. Can’t wait to see the rest of the bike. Hope you sneak a few extra oil slick bits in there. LeahOn Aug 15, 2024, at 10:36 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:LeahI will not be going wild in that way.  I will, however, brace myself for a forthcoming scolding for the cultural references implied when using the phrase "to go wild". :-)"Did you get this inspiration from the My Little Platy?"  I was on oil-slick much earlier, and your Platy did not put me off the oil slick.  It started with the wrench.  One of the local bike shops that I sometimes visit is The Pedaler in El Sobrante.  They have a pretty nice BMX and fixie case of things, and the compact "Affinity" brand 15mm ratchet caught my eye.  The guy said they got the oil slick treatment special from Affinity, and he had it in black also.  I sprung for the oil slick because it was cool.  In parallel, I've been waiting for an opportunity to use Vans grips.  I grew up in Orange County and I am of a sufficient age that my grade school used to tour the Vans Factory there in the city of Orange.  Back then, a pair of Vans was $20, and for an extra $1 they would build your Vans in whatever custom combination of their colors that you could think up.  You'd just walk into the Vans store and pick your color way.  Then, when curating the color way for my forthcoming RoadUno build I was looking at various purple grips, and discovered that one of the numerous grips available in Purple is the Vans offering, and that grip featured the oil slick treatment on the clamp.  So, I decided the grip matching the wrench was just meant to be.  While I ordered the Purple ones I also got a set of the traditional gum color also, so they really look like the Vans soles that I wore throughout my youth.  In my communications with Will, I did confirm that his crack "at least one maniac will..." was aimed at me.  So as to not let him down, I've got a unique drivetrain configuration in store that will earn the title and freak out the traditionalists.  I even went on Custom Ink and designed this T-Shirt.  I haven't ordered it yet:https://www.customink.com/designs/alom/mzf0-00cw-2gh6/rsdfu/?utm_content=lsdimg&utm_source=RSDFU%20%28SNB%29&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=rsdfu_savers_day21%20%28NbhxDx%29&_kx=NXF_6Lml056J_AH2BzBbymb1-qXdxA063E_tUUQ9xu1TNQ5y-8PreOKuIj_8jDWG.Q4AcEHI'm counting on having it set up for a September Diablo SummitBill LindsayEl Cerrito, CAOn Thursday, August 15, 2024 at 4:45:32 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:Oil slick! Did you get this inspiration from the My Little Platy?! If you really want to go wild, I will send you all the links for all the oil slick you can handle. They even sell oil slick bolts for the bottle cage mounts/rack mounts on Amazon… I do love eggplant and silver. This will be great. APPROVE.LeahOn Wednesday, August 14, 2024 at 7:58:37 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:I'm eagerly waiting for the container to get to Walnut Creek.  Today my grips came in.  I'm going with a Silver RoadUno, which features purples in the graphics.  I bought purple Vans Lock on grips, whose clamps match a very cool oil slick purple Affinity 15mm mini ratchet wrench that I already had.  In front of the brake levers I'll run eggplant Newbaums, which I'll wrap over a layer of ESI silicon tape.   A pic proves it:  https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53923848393/in/album-72177720319534027I've started an album to capture the build.  Bill LindsayEl Cerrito, CA



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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno - Are you buying one?

[nlerner]

Ah, excellent. Thanks, Bill.

On Sunday, July 14, 2024 at 1:48:13 AM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> "What I haven’t been able to figure out is the possible ship date of 
> frames/bikes. Anyone have an idea?"
>
> Well...I asked Will, and he said the boat is on the water and that August 
> 10 is a good guess.  Pick up the phone and give him a call if you want to 
> hear it from him/them.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Friday, July 12, 2024 at 10:23:34 AM UTC-7 nlerner wrote:
>
>> In a moment of list-inspired weakness, I went for a Roaduno frameset, 
>> potentially to replace my Milwaukee Cycles single-speed that’ll fit a 30mm 
>> tire max without fenders (I really like riding single speed and wouldn’t 
>> mind doing it in the rain!). What I haven’t been able to figure out is the 
>> possible ship date of frames/bikes. Anyone have an idea?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Neal Lerner
>> Brookline MA
>>
>> On Friday, July 12, 2024 at 11:40:14 AM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> Two weeks ago I offered money and labor in exchange for all the parts 
>>> from a complete Large Roaduno so that you could get the frame set for 
>>> below-retail.  Nobody took me up on that, and I'm now withdrawing the 
>>> offerbecause I went ahead and bought a 58 Complete.  So, I've got the 
>>> parts kit I was looking for, and it comes with a frame set.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>> On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 5:06:56 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 New Email Newsletter all about the Roaduno is out.  So, based on my 
 above "offer", if you plan to buy a 58 or a 61.5 frame set, think about 
 getting the complete instead and letting me in on the parts.  The price 
 delta is $650.  My offer is $700 plus my personal expert labor in helping 
 you pull your complete together.  You'll get the frame a hair cheaper.  I 
 only want to do this if it's local, so we don't have to ship things 
 around. 
  

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

 On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 3:54:00 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> The down tube graphics are exceptional.  I agree the purple "1" on the 
> silver pops.  I'm hooked on the Saint Jump stickers.  
>
> I bought two different R05C0 8U883 bikes because of the rocket 
> headbadge.  The Rosco Bubbe Road that I owned is available from CMR right 
> now, and I endorse it.  
>
> I half want to convince one of you frame set buyers to get a complete 
> instead so I can grab the parts kit.  I want a set of the svelte new 
> Silver 
> cranks (in 173) and the Saint Jump wheels are great too.  If you are in 
> the 
> East Bay hand-off range and want to do something, let me know.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 3:19:26 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Question to the group; anyone ever bought a bike solely for the 
>> downtube graphics? Riv nailed it with this Roaduno at least in my book. 
>> I 
>> do particularly like it on the silver but all three look good to me.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jun 26, 2024, at 5:50 PM, Marty Gierke, Stewartstown PA <
>> martin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> And I agree about the missing canti option. With the upcoming 
>> V-brake I would have bit the bullet on a silver one myself. 
>>
>> Marty
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno - Are you buying one?

[Bill Lindsay]

"What I haven’t been able to figure out is the possible ship date of 
frames/bikes. Anyone have an idea?"

Well...I asked Will, and he said the boat is on the water and that August 
10 is a good guess.  Pick up the phone and give him a call if you want to 
hear it from him/them.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Friday, July 12, 2024 at 10:23:34 AM UTC-7 nlerner wrote:

> In a moment of list-inspired weakness, I went for a Roaduno frameset, 
> potentially to replace my Milwaukee Cycles single-speed that’ll fit a 30mm 
> tire max without fenders (I really like riding single speed and wouldn’t 
> mind doing it in the rain!). What I haven’t been able to figure out is the 
> possible ship date of frames/bikes. Anyone have an idea?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Neal Lerner
> Brookline MA
>
> On Friday, July 12, 2024 at 11:40:14 AM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Two weeks ago I offered money and labor in exchange for all the parts 
>> from a complete Large Roaduno so that you could get the frame set for 
>> below-retail.  Nobody took me up on that, and I'm now withdrawing the 
>> offerbecause I went ahead and bought a 58 Complete.  So, I've got the 
>> parts kit I was looking for, and it comes with a frame set.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>> On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 5:06:56 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> New Email Newsletter all about the Roaduno is out.  So, based on my 
>>> above "offer", if you plan to buy a 58 or a 61.5 frame set, think about 
>>> getting the complete instead and letting me in on the parts.  The price 
>>> delta is $650.  My offer is $700 plus my personal expert labor in helping 
>>> you pull your complete together.  You'll get the frame a hair cheaper.  I 
>>> only want to do this if it's local, so we don't have to ship things around. 
>>>  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 3:54:00 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 The down tube graphics are exceptional.  I agree the purple "1" on the 
 silver pops.  I'm hooked on the Saint Jump stickers.  

 I bought two different R05C0 8U883 bikes because of the rocket 
 headbadge.  The Rosco Bubbe Road that I owned is available from CMR right 
 now, and I endorse it.  

 I half want to convince one of you frame set buyers to get a complete 
 instead so I can grab the parts kit.  I want a set of the svelte new 
 Silver 
 cranks (in 173) and the Saint Jump wheels are great too.  If you are in 
 the 
 East Bay hand-off range and want to do something, let me know.  

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

 On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 3:19:26 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Question to the group; anyone ever bought a bike solely for the 
> downtube graphics? Riv nailed it with this Roaduno at least in my book. I 
> do particularly like it on the silver but all three look good to me.
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 26, 2024, at 5:50 PM, Marty Gierke, Stewartstown PA <
> martin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> And I agree about the missing canti option. With the upcoming V-brake 
> I would have bit the bullet on a silver one myself. 
>
> Marty
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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno - Are you buying one?

[P W]

Hahaha. Well, that’s what happens when you pull out everything black that you like from the parts bins for options!Silver cages in case the silver hubs feel lonely on their own.Skewers went elsewhere!Paul brakes and tires were included in a prior post.No clue what I’m thinking pulling the Hite-Rite but I guess you never know!I never know for sure until I sling everything on…P. W.~(917) 514-2207~On Jul 12, 2024, at 6:59 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:Lots of either/ors in that picture.  Two cranksetsTwo seat postsTwo saddlesFour bottle cagesMismatched skewers and bolt on wheels Sidepull brakes shown and Paul brakes promisedYou really should buy two!BL in ECOn Friday, July 12, 2024 at 5:40:35 PM UTC-7 P W wrote:Well, if we’re all talking builds now…Plus Rene Herse black walls, Paul Racers, and some kind of basket/rack setup.A few either/or and gearing decisions still to make, but otherwise: a “murdered out” early 90s MTB-inspired double-speed road bike.P. W.~(917) 514-2207~On Jul 12, 2024, at 3:56 PM, lconley  wrote:I was going to buy a frame and ended up with a complete bike - purple 54.5. I like the crank and the wheels (slotted high flange hubs).I am going to make a no shift two speed. Was it the Riv Simpleone that had a similar setup? I have a WI 16-19 rear freewheel and an MCS 35 tooth chainring. I will remove the 26 and the chainguard from the crank, move the 38 to the outer position and install the 35 at the inner position. That gives me two gears that use the same chain length so the wheel/brake position should be the same after manually loosening the rear hub and repositioning the chain. Two South Florida gears -> 38-16 (66") for riding with the wind and 35-19 (51") for riding against the wind, preserving the simple appearance of a single speed.I have Grip Monarch pedals with wings (and pins) - Panda - silver body with black outers (I do have some purple Deity TMACs though). Saddle will be a Brooks B68 (black or honey). The green accent levers will exchanged for the all silver Tektro Mountain levers on my green Rosco Bubbe V1 (green and purple just seems weird to me). The headset will be replaced with a NeedL BlastR as I do on almost all of my bikes. Bars will initially be VO Klunkers (nickel plated) on either the original or 135mm Nitto Faceplater stem (short legs, long torso). OGK finger groove grips. Seatpost will be replaced with a Nitto S83.I do have some yellow brake housing hanging on the wallLaing ConleyDelray Beach FLOn Friday, July 12, 2024 at 2:26:28 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:I chose the Silver.  I'm sold on the entire build concept, so mine will have a stock silhouette.  I am on the tall end of the PBH range for a 54.5 and on the short end of the PBH range for the 58, so I chose the 58 and I'll keep the stock choco bars.  I'll slam the faceplater stem, and if that's still too high I'll run something else.  Slammed is always a cool look.  I will run eggplant Newbaums on the reach part of the bars, and likely some thin purple MTB grips, like Wolf Tooth Karv, or maybe a lock-on variant.  I recently picked up a used Fizik Arione saddle in metallic silver, so I'll throw that on to start.  I have a black B-17 that could go on there instead.  I'll keep the stock chainrings on the new Silver cranks, and I'll pick a front derailleur from my box, with a DT shifter from my shifter holdings.  I'll probably start out with the stock 16T freewheel, and will use my already modified Suntour XC Pro Short cage rear Der as the tensioner.  It's already modified to support a DOS/ENO freewheel: I turn the barrel adjuster and it moves to the other cog.  If I use that feature I'll have my choice between a 16/19 or a 20/22 that I have on-hand.  I've got a few different flat pedals on-hand but will probably snatch the Crust/MKS Sylvan Gordito off another bike in the stable.  I'll run a Nitto Campee 27F rack + basket assembly.  My teal Swift Sugarloaf bag will clash, so that will be the required bit of WABISABI.  Add a couple King Cages and I'm all set.  If the complete comes with a kickstand I'll run it.  I already have the stubby version of the Affinity ratcheting 15mm wrench, so I'm set there.  I will endeavor to be the first Riv Customer to ride their RoadUno to the summit of Mount Diablo.  Bill LindsayEl Cerrito, CAOn Friday, July 12, 2024 at 10:26:45 AM UTC-7 Ryan wrote:I'm curious to see what Bill will do with itwhat color?On Friday, July 12, 2024 at 12:21:10 PM UTC-5 jaredwilson wrote:Here we go! Can't wait to see Bill's take on the 'Uno.jared in SC, CAOn Friday, July 12, 2024 at 8:40:14 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:Two weeks ago I offered money and labor in exchange for all the parts from a complete Large Roaduno so that you could get the frame set for below-retail.  Nobody took me up on that, and I'm now withdrawing the offerbecause I went ahead and bought a 58 Complete.  So, I've got the parts kit I was looking for, and it comes with a frame set.  Bill LindsayEl Cerrito, CAOn 

Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno - Are you buying one?

[Bill Lindsay]

Lots of either/ors in that picture.  

Two cranksets
Two seat posts
Two saddles
Four bottle cages
Mismatched skewers and bolt on wheels 
Sidepull brakes shown and Paul brakes promised

You really should buy two!

BL in EC

On Friday, July 12, 2024 at 5:40:35 PM UTC-7 P W wrote:

> Well, if we’re all talking builds now…
>
> [image: image0.jpeg]
>
> Plus Rene Herse black walls, Paul Racers, and some kind of basket/rack 
> setup.
>
> A few either/or and gearing decisions still to make, but otherwise: a 
> “murdered out” early 90s MTB-inspired double-speed road bike.
>
> P. W.
> ~
> (917) 514-2207
> ~
>
>
>
>
> On Jul 12, 2024, at 3:56 PM, lconley  wrote:
>
> I was going to buy a frame and ended up with a complete bike - purple 
> 54.5. I like the crank and the wheels (slotted high flange hubs).
>
>
> I am going to make a no shift two speed. Was it the Riv Simpleone that had 
> a similar setup? I have a WI 16-19 rear freewheel and an MCS 35 tooth 
> chainring. I will remove the 26 and the chainguard from the crank, move the 
> 38 to the outer position and install the 35 at the inner position. That 
> gives me two gears that use the same chain length so the wheel/brake 
> position should be the same after manually loosening the rear hub and 
> repositioning the chain. Two South Florida gears -> 38-16 (66") for riding 
> with the wind and 35-19 (51") for riding against the wind, preserving the 
> simple appearance of a single speed.
>
> I have Grip Monarch pedals with wings (and pins) - Panda - silver body 
> with black outers (I do have some purple Deity TMACs though). Saddle will 
> be a Brooks B68 (black or honey). The green accent levers will exchanged 
> for the all silver Tektro Mountain levers on my green Rosco Bubbe V1 (green 
> and purple just seems weird to me). The headset will be replaced with a 
> NeedL BlastR as I do on almost all of my bikes. Bars will initially be VO 
> Klunkers (nickel plated) on either the original or 135mm Nitto Faceplater 
> stem (short legs, long torso). OGK finger groove grips. Seatpost will be 
> replaced with a Nitto S83.
>
> I do have some yellow brake housing hanging on the wall
>
> Laing Conley
> Delray Beach FL
>
>
>
> On Friday, July 12, 2024 at 2:26:28 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> I chose the Silver.  
>>
>> I'm sold on the entire build concept, so mine will have a stock 
>> silhouette.  I am on the tall end of the PBH range for a 54.5 and on the 
>> short end of the PBH range for the 58, so I chose the 58 and I'll keep the 
>> stock choco bars.  I'll slam the faceplater stem, and if that's still too 
>> high I'll run something else.  Slammed is always a cool look.  I will run 
>> eggplant Newbaums on the reach part of the bars, and likely some thin 
>> purple MTB grips, like Wolf Tooth Karv, or maybe a lock-on variant.  I 
>> recently picked up a used Fizik Arione saddle in metallic silver, so I'll 
>> throw that on to start.  I have a black B-17 that could go on there 
>> instead.  
>>
>> I'll keep the stock chainrings on the new Silver cranks, and I'll pick a 
>> front derailleur from my box, with a DT shifter from my shifter holdings. 
>>  I'll probably start out with the stock 16T freewheel, and will use my 
>> already modified Suntour XC Pro Short cage rear Der as the tensioner.  It's 
>> already modified to support a DOS/ENO freewheel: I turn the barrel adjuster 
>> and it moves to the other cog.  If I use that feature I'll have my choice 
>> between a 16/19 or a 20/22 that I have on-hand.  
>>
>> I've got a few different flat pedals on-hand but will probably snatch the 
>> Crust/MKS Sylvan Gordito off another bike in the stable.  I'll run a Nitto 
>> Campee 27F rack + basket assembly.  My teal Swift Sugarloaf bag will clash, 
>> so that will be the required bit of WABISABI.  Add a couple King Cages and 
>> I'm all set.  If the complete comes with a kickstand I'll run it.  I 
>> already have the stubby version of the Affinity ratcheting 15mm wrench, so 
>> I'm set there.  
>>
>> I will endeavor to be the first Riv Customer to ride their RoadUno to the 
>> summit of Mount Diablo.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Friday, July 12, 2024 at 10:26:45 AM UTC-7 Ryan wrote:
>>
>>> I'm curious to see what Bill will do with itwhat color?
>>>
>>> On Friday, July 12, 2024 at 12:21:10 PM UTC-5 jaredwilson wrote:
>>>
 Here we go! Can't wait to see Bill's take on the 'Uno.

 jared in SC, CA
 On Friday, July 12, 2024 at 8:40:14 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Two weeks ago I offered money and labor in exchange for all the parts 
> from a complete Large Roaduno so that you could get the frame set for 
> below-retail.  Nobody took me up on that, and I'm now withdrawing the 
> offerbecause I went ahead and bought a 58 Complete.  So, I've got the 
> parts kit I was looking for, and it comes with a frame set.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
> On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 5:06:56 PM UTC-7

Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno - Are you buying one?

[lconley]

I was going to buy a frame and ended up with a complete bike - purple 54.5. 
I like the crank and the wheels (slotted high flange hubs).

I am going to make a no shift two speed. Was it the Riv Simpleone that had 
a similar setup? I have a WI 16-19 rear freewheel and an MCS 35 tooth 
chainring. I will remove the 26 and the chainguard from the crank, move the 
38 to the outer position and install the 35 at the inner position. That 
gives me two gears that use the same chain length so the wheel/brake 
position should be the same after manually loosening the rear hub and 
repositioning the chain. Two South Florida gears -> 38-16 (66") for riding 
with the wind and 35-19 (51") for riding against the wind, preserving the 
simple appearance of a single speed.

I have Grip Monarch pedals with wings (and pins) - Panda - silver body with 
black outers (I do have some purple Deity TMACs though). Saddle will be a 
Brooks B68 (black or honey). The green accent levers will exchanged for the 
all silver Tektro Mountain levers on my green Rosco Bubbe V1 (green and 
purple just seems weird to me). The headset will be replaced with a NeedL 
BlastR as I do on almost all of my bikes. Bars will initially be VO 
Klunkers (nickel plated) on either the original or 135mm Nitto Faceplater 
stem (short legs, long torso). OGK finger groove grips. Seatpost will be 
replaced with a Nitto S83.

I do have some yellow brake housing hanging on the wall

Laing Conley
Delray Beach FL



On Friday, July 12, 2024 at 2:26:28 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I chose the Silver.  
>
> I'm sold on the entire build concept, so mine will have a stock 
> silhouette.  I am on the tall end of the PBH range for a 54.5 and on the 
> short end of the PBH range for the 58, so I chose the 58 and I'll keep the 
> stock choco bars.  I'll slam the faceplater stem, and if that's still too 
> high I'll run something else.  Slammed is always a cool look.  I will run 
> eggplant Newbaums on the reach part of the bars, and likely some thin 
> purple MTB grips, like Wolf Tooth Karv, or maybe a lock-on variant.  I 
> recently picked up a used Fizik Arione saddle in metallic silver, so I'll 
> throw that on to start.  I have a black B-17 that could go on there 
> instead.  
>
> I'll keep the stock chainrings on the new Silver cranks, and I'll pick a 
> front derailleur from my box, with a DT shifter from my shifter holdings. 
>  I'll probably start out with the stock 16T freewheel, and will use my 
> already modified Suntour XC Pro Short cage rear Der as the tensioner.  It's 
> already modified to support a DOS/ENO freewheel: I turn the barrel adjuster 
> and it moves to the other cog.  If I use that feature I'll have my choice 
> between a 16/19 or a 20/22 that I have on-hand.  
>
> I've got a few different flat pedals on-hand but will probably snatch the 
> Crust/MKS Sylvan Gordito off another bike in the stable.  I'll run a Nitto 
> Campee 27F rack + basket assembly.  My teal Swift Sugarloaf bag will clash, 
> so that will be the required bit of WABISABI.  Add a couple King Cages and 
> I'm all set.  If the complete comes with a kickstand I'll run it.  I 
> already have the stubby version of the Affinity ratcheting 15mm wrench, so 
> I'm set there.  
>
> I will endeavor to be the first Riv Customer to ride their RoadUno to the 
> summit of Mount Diablo.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Friday, July 12, 2024 at 10:26:45 AM UTC-7 Ryan wrote:
>
>> I'm curious to see what Bill will do with itwhat color?
>>
>> On Friday, July 12, 2024 at 12:21:10 PM UTC-5 jaredwilson wrote:
>>
>>> Here we go! Can't wait to see Bill's take on the 'Uno.
>>>
>>> jared in SC, CA
>>> On Friday, July 12, 2024 at 8:40:14 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 Two weeks ago I offered money and labor in exchange for all the parts 
 from a complete Large Roaduno so that you could get the frame set for 
 below-retail.  Nobody took me up on that, and I'm now withdrawing the 
 offerbecause I went ahead and bought a 58 Complete.  So, I've got the 
 parts kit I was looking for, and it comes with a frame set.  

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA
 On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 5:06:56 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> New Email Newsletter all about the Roaduno is out.  So, based on my 
> above "offer", if you plan to buy a 58 or a 61.5 frame set, think about 
> getting the complete instead and letting me in on the parts.  The price 
> delta is $650.  My offer is $700 plus my personal expert labor in helping 
> you pull your complete together.  You'll get the frame a hair cheaper.  I 
> only want to do this if it's local, so we don't have to ship things 
> around. 
>  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 3:54:00 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> The down tube graphics are exceptional.  I agree the purple "1" on 
>> the silver pops.  I'm hooked on the Saint J

Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno - Are you buying one?

[Bill Lindsay]

I chose the Silver.  

I'm sold on the entire build concept, so mine will have a stock silhouette. 
 I am on the tall end of the PBH range for a 54.5 and on the short end of 
the PBH range for the 58, so I chose the 58 and I'll keep the stock choco 
bars.  I'll slam the faceplater stem, and if that's still too high I'll run 
something else.  Slammed is always a cool look.  I will run eggplant 
Newbaums on the reach part of the bars, and likely some thin purple MTB 
grips, like Wolf Tooth Karv, or maybe a lock-on variant.  I recently picked 
up a used Fizik Arione saddle in metallic silver, so I'll throw that on to 
start.  I have a black B-17 that could go on there instead.  

I'll keep the stock chainrings on the new Silver cranks, and I'll pick a 
front derailleur from my box, with a DT shifter from my shifter holdings. 
 I'll probably start out with the stock 16T freewheel, and will use my 
already modified Suntour XC Pro Short cage rear Der as the tensioner.  It's 
already modified to support a DOS/ENO freewheel: I turn the barrel adjuster 
and it moves to the other cog.  If I use that feature I'll have my choice 
between a 16/19 or a 20/22 that I have on-hand.  

I've got a few different flat pedals on-hand but will probably snatch the 
Crust/MKS Sylvan Gordito off another bike in the stable.  I'll run a Nitto 
Campee 27F rack + basket assembly.  My teal Swift Sugarloaf bag will clash, 
so that will be the required bit of WABISABI.  Add a couple King Cages and 
I'm all set.  If the complete comes with a kickstand I'll run it.  I 
already have the stubby version of the Affinity ratcheting 15mm wrench, so 
I'm set there.  

I will endeavor to be the first Riv Customer to ride their RoadUno to the 
summit of Mount Diablo.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Friday, July 12, 2024 at 10:26:45 AM UTC-7 Ryan wrote:

> I'm curious to see what Bill will do with itwhat color?
>
> On Friday, July 12, 2024 at 12:21:10 PM UTC-5 jaredwilson wrote:
>
>> Here we go! Can't wait to see Bill's take on the 'Uno.
>>
>> jared in SC, CA
>> On Friday, July 12, 2024 at 8:40:14 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> Two weeks ago I offered money and labor in exchange for all the parts 
>>> from a complete Large Roaduno so that you could get the frame set for 
>>> below-retail.  Nobody took me up on that, and I'm now withdrawing the 
>>> offerbecause I went ahead and bought a 58 Complete.  So, I've got the 
>>> parts kit I was looking for, and it comes with a frame set.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>> On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 5:06:56 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 New Email Newsletter all about the Roaduno is out.  So, based on my 
 above "offer", if you plan to buy a 58 or a 61.5 frame set, think about 
 getting the complete instead and letting me in on the parts.  The price 
 delta is $650.  My offer is $700 plus my personal expert labor in helping 
 you pull your complete together.  You'll get the frame a hair cheaper.  I 
 only want to do this if it's local, so we don't have to ship things 
 around. 
  

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

 On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 3:54:00 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> The down tube graphics are exceptional.  I agree the purple "1" on the 
> silver pops.  I'm hooked on the Saint Jump stickers.  
>
> I bought two different R05C0 8U883 bikes because of the rocket 
> headbadge.  The Rosco Bubbe Road that I owned is available from CMR right 
> now, and I endorse it.  
>
> I half want to convince one of you frame set buyers to get a complete 
> instead so I can grab the parts kit.  I want a set of the svelte new 
> Silver 
> cranks (in 173) and the Saint Jump wheels are great too.  If you are in 
> the 
> East Bay hand-off range and want to do something, let me know.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 3:19:26 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Question to the group; anyone ever bought a bike solely for the 
>> downtube graphics? Riv nailed it with this Roaduno at least in my book. 
>> I 
>> do particularly like it on the silver but all three look good to me.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jun 26, 2024, at 5:50 PM, Marty Gierke, Stewartstown PA <
>> martin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> And I agree about the missing canti option. With the upcoming 
>> V-brake I would have bit the bullet on a silver one myself. 
>>
>> Marty
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno - Are you buying one?

[Ryan]

I'm curious to see what Bill will do with itwhat color?

On Friday, July 12, 2024 at 12:21:10 PM UTC-5 jaredwilson wrote:

> Here we go! Can't wait to see Bill's take on the 'Uno.
>
> jared in SC, CA
> On Friday, July 12, 2024 at 8:40:14 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Two weeks ago I offered money and labor in exchange for all the parts 
>> from a complete Large Roaduno so that you could get the frame set for 
>> below-retail.  Nobody took me up on that, and I'm now withdrawing the 
>> offerbecause I went ahead and bought a 58 Complete.  So, I've got the 
>> parts kit I was looking for, and it comes with a frame set.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>> On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 5:06:56 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> New Email Newsletter all about the Roaduno is out.  So, based on my 
>>> above "offer", if you plan to buy a 58 or a 61.5 frame set, think about 
>>> getting the complete instead and letting me in on the parts.  The price 
>>> delta is $650.  My offer is $700 plus my personal expert labor in helping 
>>> you pull your complete together.  You'll get the frame a hair cheaper.  I 
>>> only want to do this if it's local, so we don't have to ship things around. 
>>>  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 3:54:00 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 The down tube graphics are exceptional.  I agree the purple "1" on the 
 silver pops.  I'm hooked on the Saint Jump stickers.  

 I bought two different R05C0 8U883 bikes because of the rocket 
 headbadge.  The Rosco Bubbe Road that I owned is available from CMR right 
 now, and I endorse it.  

 I half want to convince one of you frame set buyers to get a complete 
 instead so I can grab the parts kit.  I want a set of the svelte new 
 Silver 
 cranks (in 173) and the Saint Jump wheels are great too.  If you are in 
 the 
 East Bay hand-off range and want to do something, let me know.  

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

 On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 3:19:26 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Question to the group; anyone ever bought a bike solely for the 
> downtube graphics? Riv nailed it with this Roaduno at least in my book. I 
> do particularly like it on the silver but all three look good to me.
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 26, 2024, at 5:50 PM, Marty Gierke, Stewartstown PA <
> martin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> And I agree about the missing canti option. With the upcoming V-brake 
> I would have bit the bullet on a silver one myself. 
>
> Marty
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno - Are you buying one?

[nlerner]

In a moment of list-inspired weakness, I went for a Roaduno frameset, 
potentially to replace my Milwaukee Cycles single-speed that’ll fit a 30mm 
tire max without fenders (I really like riding single speed and wouldn’t 
mind doing it in the rain!). What I haven’t been able to figure out is the 
possible ship date of frames/bikes. Anyone have an idea?

Thanks,

Neal Lerner
Brookline MA

On Friday, July 12, 2024 at 11:40:14 AM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Two weeks ago I offered money and labor in exchange for all the parts from 
> a complete Large Roaduno so that you could get the frame set for 
> below-retail.  Nobody took me up on that, and I'm now withdrawing the 
> offerbecause I went ahead and bought a 58 Complete.  So, I've got the 
> parts kit I was looking for, and it comes with a frame set.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
> On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 5:06:56 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> New Email Newsletter all about the Roaduno is out.  So, based on my above 
>> "offer", if you plan to buy a 58 or a 61.5 frame set, think about getting 
>> the complete instead and letting me in on the parts.  The price delta is 
>> $650.  My offer is $700 plus my personal expert labor in helping you pull 
>> your complete together.  You'll get the frame a hair cheaper.  I only want 
>> to do this if it's local, so we don't have to ship things around.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 3:54:00 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> The down tube graphics are exceptional.  I agree the purple "1" on the 
>>> silver pops.  I'm hooked on the Saint Jump stickers.  
>>>
>>> I bought two different R05C0 8U883 bikes because of the rocket 
>>> headbadge.  The Rosco Bubbe Road that I owned is available from CMR right 
>>> now, and I endorse it.  
>>>
>>> I half want to convince one of you frame set buyers to get a complete 
>>> instead so I can grab the parts kit.  I want a set of the svelte new Silver 
>>> cranks (in 173) and the Saint Jump wheels are great too.  If you are in the 
>>> East Bay hand-off range and want to do something, let me know.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 3:19:26 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Question to the group; anyone ever bought a bike solely for the 
 downtube graphics? Riv nailed it with this Roaduno at least in my book. I 
 do particularly like it on the silver but all three look good to me.
 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jun 26, 2024, at 5:50 PM, Marty Gierke, Stewartstown PA <
 martin...@gmail.com> wrote:

 And I agree about the missing canti option. With the upcoming V-brake 
 I would have bit the bullet on a silver one myself. 

 Marty

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno - Are you buying one?

[jaredwilson]

Here we go! Can't wait to see Bill's take on the 'Uno.

jared in SC, CA
On Friday, July 12, 2024 at 8:40:14 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Two weeks ago I offered money and labor in exchange for all the parts from 
> a complete Large Roaduno so that you could get the frame set for 
> below-retail.  Nobody took me up on that, and I'm now withdrawing the 
> offerbecause I went ahead and bought a 58 Complete.  So, I've got the 
> parts kit I was looking for, and it comes with a frame set.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
> On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 5:06:56 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> New Email Newsletter all about the Roaduno is out.  So, based on my above 
>> "offer", if you plan to buy a 58 or a 61.5 frame set, think about getting 
>> the complete instead and letting me in on the parts.  The price delta is 
>> $650.  My offer is $700 plus my personal expert labor in helping you pull 
>> your complete together.  You'll get the frame a hair cheaper.  I only want 
>> to do this if it's local, so we don't have to ship things around.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 3:54:00 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> The down tube graphics are exceptional.  I agree the purple "1" on the 
>>> silver pops.  I'm hooked on the Saint Jump stickers.  
>>>
>>> I bought two different R05C0 8U883 bikes because of the rocket 
>>> headbadge.  The Rosco Bubbe Road that I owned is available from CMR right 
>>> now, and I endorse it.  
>>>
>>> I half want to convince one of you frame set buyers to get a complete 
>>> instead so I can grab the parts kit.  I want a set of the svelte new Silver 
>>> cranks (in 173) and the Saint Jump wheels are great too.  If you are in the 
>>> East Bay hand-off range and want to do something, let me know.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 3:19:26 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Question to the group; anyone ever bought a bike solely for the 
 downtube graphics? Riv nailed it with this Roaduno at least in my book. I 
 do particularly like it on the silver but all three look good to me.
 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jun 26, 2024, at 5:50 PM, Marty Gierke, Stewartstown PA <
 martin...@gmail.com> wrote:

 And I agree about the missing canti option. With the upcoming V-brake 
 I would have bit the bullet on a silver one myself. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno - Are you buying one?

[Bill Lindsay]

Two weeks ago I offered money and labor in exchange for all the parts from 
a complete Large Roaduno so that you could get the frame set for 
below-retail.  Nobody took me up on that, and I'm now withdrawing the 
offerbecause I went ahead and bought a 58 Complete.  So, I've got the 
parts kit I was looking for, and it comes with a frame set.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA
On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 5:06:56 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> New Email Newsletter all about the Roaduno is out.  So, based on my above 
> "offer", if you plan to buy a 58 or a 61.5 frame set, think about getting 
> the complete instead and letting me in on the parts.  The price delta is 
> $650.  My offer is $700 plus my personal expert labor in helping you pull 
> your complete together.  You'll get the frame a hair cheaper.  I only want 
> to do this if it's local, so we don't have to ship things around.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 3:54:00 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> The down tube graphics are exceptional.  I agree the purple "1" on the 
>> silver pops.  I'm hooked on the Saint Jump stickers.  
>>
>> I bought two different R05C0 8U883 bikes because of the rocket headbadge. 
>>  The Rosco Bubbe Road that I owned is available from CMR right now, and I 
>> endorse it.  
>>
>> I half want to convince one of you frame set buyers to get a complete 
>> instead so I can grab the parts kit.  I want a set of the svelte new Silver 
>> cranks (in 173) and the Saint Jump wheels are great too.  If you are in the 
>> East Bay hand-off range and want to do something, let me know.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 3:19:26 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Question to the group; anyone ever bought a bike solely for the downtube 
>>> graphics? Riv nailed it with this Roaduno at least in my book. I do 
>>> particularly like it on the silver but all three look good to me.
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jun 26, 2024, at 5:50 PM, Marty Gierke, Stewartstown PA <
>>> martin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> And I agree about the missing canti option. With the upcoming V-brake I 
>>> would have bit the bullet on a silver one myself. 
>>>
>>> Marty
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno - Are you buying one?

[J Schwartz]

Does anyone know if the Roaduno (completes) have a plastic cable guide 
installed under the bottom bracket?

On Sunday, June 30, 2024 at 12:56:22 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> The risk is pedal strike.  The RoadUno has a low BB height.  Riding fixed 
> forces the rider to pedal through corners, so the risk of pedal strike is 
> real.  A optiomized fixed city bike might have a higher BB.  If you know 
> how to steer at speed without leaning, you can mitigate that risk.  Go for 
> it if you are into it.  It's a manageable risk.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
> On Sunday, June 30, 2024 at 9:41:48 AM UTC-7 dane...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Why the recommendation to not ride it fixed by Grant? "Too risky." lol.
>>
>> -Dan
>>
>> On Saturday, June 29, 2024 at 5:57:24 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> The OP anticipated a buying frenzy, but that clearly hasn't happened in 
>>> week 1 of the pre-sale.  I hope that turns out to be a good thing, and 
>>> gives people the chance to really think about it and decide calmly rather 
>>> than panic-buying with a huge fear of missing out.  Now that the real 
>>> Geo-Chart is out, the 54.5 Roaduno looks a lot better to me than the 54.5 
>>> Hilsen had looked.  Still, if you wanted to give me one for free, the one 
>>> I'd pick would probably be a Silver 58 Complete.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Thursday, June 27, 2024 at 5:05:40 AM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>>>
 As much as I enjoy single speed riding I don't plan to buy a Roaduno 
 today. I think the Silver with all black components would be so nice. Good 
 luck to all who plan to buy! Keep your fingers on your keyboard.
 Doug

 On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 8:06:56 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> New Email Newsletter all about the Roaduno is out.  So, based on my 
> above "offer", if you plan to buy a 58 or a 61.5 frame set, think about 
> getting the complete instead and letting me in on the parts.  The price 
> delta is $650.  My offer is $700 plus my personal expert labor in helping 
> you pull your complete together.  You'll get the frame a hair cheaper.  I 
> only want to do this if it's local, so we don't have to ship things 
> around. 
>  


> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 3:54:00 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
 The down tube graphics are exceptional.  I agree the purple "1" on the 
>> silver pops.  I'm hooked on the Saint Jump stickers.  
>>
>> I bought two different R05C0 8U883 bikes because of the rocket 
>> headbadge.  The Rosco Bubbe Road that I owned is available from CMR 
>> right 
>> now, and I endorse it.  
>>
>> I half want to convince one of you frame set buyers to get a complete 
>> instead so I can grab the parts kit.  I want a set of the svelte new 
>> Silver 
>> cranks (in 173) and the Saint Jump wheels are great too.  If you are in 
>> the 
>> East Bay hand-off range and want to do something, let me know.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 3:19:26 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
> Question to the group; anyone ever bought a bike solely for the 
>>> downtube graphics? Riv nailed it with this Roaduno at least in my book. 
>>> I 
>>> do particularly like it on the silver but all three look good to me.
>>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>
>>> On Jun 26, 2024, at 5:50 PM, Marty Gierke, Stewartstown PA <
>>> martin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> And I agree about the missing canti option. With the upcoming 
>>> V-brake I would have bit the bullet on a silver one myself. 
>>>
>>> Marty
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno - Are you buying one?

[Bill Lindsay]

The risk is pedal strike.  The RoadUno has a low BB height.  Riding fixed 
forces the rider to pedal through corners, so the risk of pedal strike is 
real.  A optiomized fixed city bike might have a higher BB.  If you know 
how to steer at speed without leaning, you can mitigate that risk.  Go for 
it if you are into it.  It's a manageable risk.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA
On Sunday, June 30, 2024 at 9:41:48 AM UTC-7 dane...@gmail.com wrote:

> Why the recommendation to not ride it fixed by Grant? "Too risky." lol.
>
> -Dan
>
> On Saturday, June 29, 2024 at 5:57:24 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> The OP anticipated a buying frenzy, but that clearly hasn't happened in 
>> week 1 of the pre-sale.  I hope that turns out to be a good thing, and 
>> gives people the chance to really think about it and decide calmly rather 
>> than panic-buying with a huge fear of missing out.  Now that the real 
>> Geo-Chart is out, the 54.5 Roaduno looks a lot better to me than the 54.5 
>> Hilsen had looked.  Still, if you wanted to give me one for free, the one 
>> I'd pick would probably be a Silver 58 Complete.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Thursday, June 27, 2024 at 5:05:40 AM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>>
>>> As much as I enjoy single speed riding I don't plan to buy a Roaduno 
>>> today. I think the Silver with all black components would be so nice. Good 
>>> luck to all who plan to buy! Keep your fingers on your keyboard.
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 8:06:56 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 New Email Newsletter all about the Roaduno is out.  So, based on my 
 above "offer", if you plan to buy a 58 or a 61.5 frame set, think about 
 getting the complete instead and letting me in on the parts.  The price 
 delta is $650.  My offer is $700 plus my personal expert labor in helping 
 you pull your complete together.  You'll get the frame a hair cheaper.  I 
 only want to do this if it's local, so we don't have to ship things 
 around. 
  
>>>
>>>
 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

 On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 3:54:00 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

>>> The down tube graphics are exceptional.  I agree the purple "1" on the 
> silver pops.  I'm hooked on the Saint Jump stickers.  
>
> I bought two different R05C0 8U883 bikes because of the rocket 
> headbadge.  The Rosco Bubbe Road that I owned is available from CMR right 
> now, and I endorse it.  
>
> I half want to convince one of you frame set buyers to get a complete 
> instead so I can grab the parts kit.  I want a set of the svelte new 
> Silver 
> cranks (in 173) and the Saint Jump wheels are great too.  If you are in 
> the 
> East Bay hand-off range and want to do something, let me know.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 3:19:26 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
 Question to the group; anyone ever bought a bike solely for the 
>> downtube graphics? Riv nailed it with this Roaduno at least in my book. 
>> I 
>> do particularly like it on the silver but all three look good to me.
>>
> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>
>> On Jun 26, 2024, at 5:50 PM, Marty Gierke, Stewartstown PA <
>> martin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> And I agree about the missing canti option. With the upcoming 
>> V-brake I would have bit the bullet on a silver one myself. 
>>
>> Marty
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno - Are you buying one?

[dane...@gmail.com]

Why the recommendation to not ride it fixed by Grant? "Too risky." lol.

-Dan

On Saturday, June 29, 2024 at 5:57:24 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> The OP anticipated a buying frenzy, but that clearly hasn't happened in 
> week 1 of the pre-sale.  I hope that turns out to be a good thing, and 
> gives people the chance to really think about it and decide calmly rather 
> than panic-buying with a huge fear of missing out.  Now that the real 
> Geo-Chart is out, the 54.5 Roaduno looks a lot better to me than the 54.5 
> Hilsen had looked.  Still, if you wanted to give me one for free, the one 
> I'd pick would probably be a Silver 58 Complete.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Thursday, June 27, 2024 at 5:05:40 AM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> As much as I enjoy single speed riding I don't plan to buy a Roaduno 
>> today. I think the Silver with all black components would be so nice. Good 
>> luck to all who plan to buy! Keep your fingers on your keyboard.
>> Doug
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 8:06:56 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> New Email Newsletter all about the Roaduno is out.  So, based on my 
>>> above "offer", if you plan to buy a 58 or a 61.5 frame set, think about 
>>> getting the complete instead and letting me in on the parts.  The price 
>>> delta is $650.  My offer is $700 plus my personal expert labor in helping 
>>> you pull your complete together.  You'll get the frame a hair cheaper.  I 
>>> only want to do this if it's local, so we don't have to ship things around. 
>>>  
>>
>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 3:54:00 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>> The down tube graphics are exceptional.  I agree the purple "1" on the 
 silver pops.  I'm hooked on the Saint Jump stickers.  

 I bought two different R05C0 8U883 bikes because of the rocket 
 headbadge.  The Rosco Bubbe Road that I owned is available from CMR right 
 now, and I endorse it.  

 I half want to convince one of you frame set buyers to get a complete 
 instead so I can grab the parts kit.  I want a set of the svelte new 
 Silver 
 cranks (in 173) and the Saint Jump wheels are great too.  If you are in 
 the 
 East Bay hand-off range and want to do something, let me know.  

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

 On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 3:19:26 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

>>> Question to the group; anyone ever bought a bike solely for the downtube 
> graphics? Riv nailed it with this Roaduno at least in my book. I do 
> particularly like it on the silver but all three look good to me.
>
 Sent from my iPhone
>

> On Jun 26, 2024, at 5:50 PM, Marty Gierke, Stewartstown PA <
> martin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> And I agree about the missing canti option. With the upcoming V-brake 
> I would have bit the bullet on a silver one myself. 
>
> Marty
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno - Are you buying one?

[Bill Lindsay]

The OP anticipated a buying frenzy, but that clearly hasn't happened in 
week 1 of the pre-sale.  I hope that turns out to be a good thing, and 
gives people the chance to really think about it and decide calmly rather 
than panic-buying with a huge fear of missing out.  Now that the real 
Geo-Chart is out, the 54.5 Roaduno looks a lot better to me than the 54.5 
Hilsen had looked.  Still, if you wanted to give me one for free, the one 
I'd pick would probably be a Silver 58 Complete.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Thursday, June 27, 2024 at 5:05:40 AM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:

> As much as I enjoy single speed riding I don't plan to buy a Roaduno 
> today. I think the Silver with all black components would be so nice. Good 
> luck to all who plan to buy! Keep your fingers on your keyboard.
> Doug
>
> On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 8:06:56 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> New Email Newsletter all about the Roaduno is out.  So, based on my above 
>> "offer", if you plan to buy a 58 or a 61.5 frame set, think about getting 
>> the complete instead and letting me in on the parts.  The price delta is 
>> $650.  My offer is $700 plus my personal expert labor in helping you pull 
>> your complete together.  You'll get the frame a hair cheaper.  I only want 
>> to do this if it's local, so we don't have to ship things around.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 3:54:00 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> The down tube graphics are exceptional.  I agree the purple "1" on the 
>>> silver pops.  I'm hooked on the Saint Jump stickers.  
>>>
>>> I bought two different R05C0 8U883 bikes because of the rocket 
>>> headbadge.  The Rosco Bubbe Road that I owned is available from CMR right 
>>> now, and I endorse it.  
>>>
>>> I half want to convince one of you frame set buyers to get a complete 
>>> instead so I can grab the parts kit.  I want a set of the svelte new Silver 
>>> cranks (in 173) and the Saint Jump wheels are great too.  If you are in the 
>>> East Bay hand-off range and want to do something, let me know.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 3:19:26 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Question to the group; anyone ever bought a bike solely for the 
 downtube graphics? Riv nailed it with this Roaduno at least in my book. I 
 do particularly like it on the silver but all three look good to me.
 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jun 26, 2024, at 5:50 PM, Marty Gierke, Stewartstown PA <
 martin...@gmail.com> wrote:

 And I agree about the missing canti option. With the upcoming V-brake 
 I would have bit the bullet on a silver one myself. 

 Marty

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno - Are for you buying one?

[Richard Rose]

Oh this is going to be good!Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 28, 2024, at 11:01 AM, P W  wrote:Oh, it definitely is!And was one of my very first (and easy) decisions when I began planning and collecting for my build.Admittedly, they work best when direct mounted, but I’ve never felt they lacked for braking power running as center mounts instead. Especially not on road.They’re also one of the suggestions Riv makes for brake options on the Uno frame set page.I do understand how they might be a financial concern for people tho - they’re not exactly cheap!Although they do tend to come up on the secondhand market often.P. W.~(917) 514-2207~On Jun 28, 2024, at 6:56 AM, dane...@gmail.com  wrote:Hmm... I live somewhere hilly (Vermont) and ride my roadini on everything granted the pads on the 559s on the roadini are high in the slot nd i swapped out for Kool Stops.  Not arguing that they are the most powerful brakes ever but they seem to do the job.-DanOn Friday, June 28, 2024 at 9:51:24 AM UTC-4 DavidP wrote:A Paul Racer (or other centerpull) could be used on a RoadUno (or Homer, Roadini, etc.), you'd just need to add cable hangers at the headset/stem and seat binder bolt.My primary road bike is a Malocchio with 559s and fenders. I also have a Pescadero with maxed out GC610 centerpulls. I've had these bikes setup with the same fenders, wheels, and tires (moved most of the parts from the Pescadero to the Malocchio frame when I got it). Breaking performance between the two setups seems about the same to me and has been perfectly adequate even when caught in a downpour on the 559s, but (1) I'm fairly light and live in an area with rolling hills and (2) the 559s are not maxed out on the front of the Malocchio.Riv says the RoadUno takes 46mm without a fender and 43mm with - maybe they haven't actually set one up with 43s and 559s but that doesn't sound problematic to me and my experience with 559s and fenders hasn't been problematic.I like the RoadUno and am looking forward to seeing the builds, but am not planning on getting one. My RoadUno proxy is a Handsome Devil with 38s, fenders, and cantilevers, built up this spring and soon to be converted to 3x1. It also brakes fine.-DaveOn Friday, June 28, 2024 at 9:37:02 AM UTC-4 Richard Rose wrote:Is the Paul Racer not an option on these bikes?Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 28, 2024, at 8:57 AM, Mathias Steiner  wrote:I'm going to write it down to see if I'm the only one who thinks the following:(i) I'm glad the Tektro 559s are available. Even with the pads all the way down, they allow "OK" braking even with the factory pads. I'm not sure I'd be happy if I lived where it's hilly.(ii) Fenders are problematic because the 559s provide obstacles much lower than the brake bridge/fork crown. Notably, there's a spring sticking down; the silver Roaduno pictures show that clearly.(iii) Braking is better with Cantis, much better with V brakes. Overall I prefer cantilever, for the versatility. On Friday, June 28, 2024 at 7:14:51 AM UTC-4 saxt...@gmail.com wrote:For sure, I was in the hunq camp, but I get why a slightly lighter weight option makes sense.  I would have been happy with a SS Hillborne as canti’s would have allowed for just a little bit more tire/fender clearance, I was still tempted when I saw that 650b was the wheel size for my size frame as that’d be different than what I have, but the LR brakes kill it for me. On Thursday, June 27, 2024 at 9:51:07 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:It's clear lots of people wanted a single speed Appaloosa or a single speed Hunqapillar.  It's natural for those people to be sad that Rivendell offered a single speed A. Homer Hilsen instead. Those who wanted a single speed A Homer Hilsen are presumably pleased.  Bill LindsayEl Cerrito, CAOn Thursday, June 27, 2024 at 6:13:07 PM UTC-7 brendonoid wrote:Another Riv that excited me until the inexplicable change to sidepulls.I think I know why Riv has done this twice now but damn it is annoying.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno - Are for you buying one?

[tio ryan]

I woke up this morning thinking about gear ratios -- crunching numbers on 
BikeCalc and referencing the previous single-speeds I've enjoyed throughout 
the years. Things of note about the 'uno: 

   - An in-the-box COMPLETE comes with a 38t big ring and a 26t small ring 
   and a 16t cog on a flip-flop hub

The stock gear ratio on a 43mm tire equates to 62 gear inches, since mine 
will have 650b wheels. That's going to be too small, since I'm used to 69 
gear inches on my Kuwahara  and I pedaled 
73 gear inches for many years on my IRO  (it's 
not very hilly here). I'm also not into the chainguard aesthetic and the 
stock rings are not the best-looking on their own. I want my drivetrain to 
look clean, that's something I appreciate about a singlespeed bicycle. 

Here's where I'm at currently. I'm in possession of a 18t eno fw with wear 
(from my iro) and stock is 16t. If the math is correct and I'm seeking a 
ratio in the 69-73 zone:

with stock freewheel (16t)
42t = 69
43t = 71
44t = 72 

with my freewheel (18t)
47t = 69
48t = 70
49t = 72

Searching eBay, there aren't a lot of options for good looking 110bcd 
rings. I currently have my eye on a 42t salsa and a 48t sugino ring. I 
don't know much about em, but the willow chainrings look *really* sweet. 
What's the story on those? I'd love one for my roaduno, in the off-chance 
someone on the list has a 110bcd willow chainring in 42/43t or 47/48t in 
their parts bin. 

As I'm writing this, I'm realizing the stock chain will likely be too short 
once I get a bigger ring :\ 

-tio "one is all you need" ryan 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno - Are for you buying one?

[Adam in Indiana]

I’ve been riding 559’s for years on a roady single speed, and have never 
had problems or complaints with them. Anecdotal, I know, but just thought 
I’d throw in a few words in their favor. I would have been happy with 
cantis on the Roaduno as well, but not if it meant an Appaloosa or Hunqua 
frame…I wanted the lighter “every-road” frame.

On Friday, June 28, 2024 at 2:52:49 PM UTC-4 mrg...@gmail.com wrote:

> The brakes on the completes are not exactly Tektro 559. From 
> https://www.rivbike.com/products/roaduno-complete :
>
> *Brakes:* Sidepulls, long reach. Brand is Yokuzuna. They're cold-forged 
> and excellent, and are nearly identical to Tektro 559 (57-73mm brake reach)
>
> Mike
>
>
> On Friday, June 28, 2024 at 10:56:31 AM UTC-5 mwill...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Tektro 559”s clear SKS 50mm fenders just fine.
>> [image: image0.png]
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jun 28, 2024, at 11:42 AM, J Schwartz  wrote:
>>
>> Did RBW say if they were upgrading the stock pads on those Yokozuna 
>> brakes?
>>
>> The 559's with decent pads have worked totally fine for me.
>>
>> On Friday, June 28, 2024 at 11:01:28 AM UTC-4 philip@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> [image: image0.jpeg]
>>>
>>> Oh, it definitely is!
>>>
>>> And was one of my very first (and easy) decisions when I began planning 
>>> and collecting for my build.
>>>
>>> Admittedly, they work best when direct mounted, but I’ve never felt they 
>>> lacked for braking power running as center mounts instead. Especially not 
>>> on road.
>>>
>>> They’re also one of the suggestions Riv makes for brake options on the 
>>> Uno frame set page.
>>>
>>> I do understand how they might be a financial concern for people tho - 
>>> they’re not exactly cheap!
>>>
>>> Although they do tend to come up on the secondhand market often.
>>>
>>> P. W.
>>> ~
>>> (917) 514-2207
>>> ~
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jun 28, 2024, at 6:56 AM, dane...@gmail.com  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hmm... I live somewhere hilly (Vermont) and ride my roadini on 
>>> everything granted the pads on the 559s on the roadini are high in the slot 
>>> nd i swapped out for Kool Stops.  Not arguing that they are the most 
>>> powerful brakes ever but they seem to do the job.
>>>
>>>
>>> -Dan
>>>
>>> On Friday, June 28, 2024 at 9:51:24 AM UTC-4 DavidP wrote:
>>>
 A Paul Racer (or other centerpull) could be used on a RoadUno (or 
 Homer, Roadini, etc.), you'd just need to add cable hangers at the 
 headset/stem and seat binder bolt.

 My primary road bike is a Malocchio with 559s and fenders. I also have 
 a Pescadero with maxed out GC610 centerpulls. I've had these bikes setup 
 with the same fenders, wheels, and tires (moved most of the parts from the 
 Pescadero to the Malocchio frame when I got it). Breaking performance 
 between the two setups seems about the same to me and has been perfectly 
 adequate even when caught in a downpour on the 559s, but (1) I'm fairly 
 light and live in an area with rolling hills and (2) the 559s are not 
 maxed 
 out on the front of the Malocchio.

 Riv says the RoadUno takes 46mm without a fender and 43mm with - maybe 
 they haven't actually set one up with 43s and 559s but that doesn't sound 
 problematic to me and my experience with 559s and fenders hasn't been 
 problematic.

 I like the RoadUno and am looking forward to seeing the builds, but am 
 not planning on getting one. My RoadUno proxy is a Handsome Devil with 
 38s, 
 fenders, and cantilevers, built up this spring and soon to be converted to 
 3x1. It also brakes fine.

 -Dave

 On Friday, June 28, 2024 at 9:37:02 AM UTC-4 Richard Rose wrote:

> Is the Paul Racer not an option on these bikes?
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 28, 2024, at 8:57 AM, Mathias Steiner  
> wrote:
>
> I'm going to write it down to see if I'm the only one who thinks the 
> following:
>
>
>
> (i) I'm glad the Tektro 559s are available. Even with the pads all the 
> way down, they allow "OK" braking even with the factory pads. I'm not 
> sure 
> I'd be happy if I lived where it's hilly.
>
> (ii) Fenders are problematic because the 559s provide obstacles much 
> lower than the brake bridge/fork crown. 
> Notably, there's a spring sticking down; the silver Roaduno pictures 
> show that clearly.
>
> (iii) Braking is better with Cantis, much better with V brakes. 
> Overall I prefer cantilever, for the versatility. 
>
> On Friday, June 28, 2024 at 7:14:51 AM UTC-4 saxt...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> For sure, I was in the hunq camp, but I get why a slightly lighter 
>> weight option makes sense.  I would have been happy with a SS Hillborne 
>> as 
>> canti’s would have allowed for just a little bit more tire/fender 
>> clearance, I was still tempted when I saw that 650b was the wheel size 
>> for 
>> my size frame 

Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno - Are for you buying one?

[Mike Packard]

The brakes on the completes are not exactly Tektro 559. From 
https://www.rivbike.com/products/roaduno-complete :

*Brakes:* Sidepulls, long reach. Brand is Yokuzuna. They're cold-forged and 
excellent, and are nearly identical to Tektro 559 (57-73mm brake reach)

Mike


On Friday, June 28, 2024 at 10:56:31 AM UTC-5 mwill...@gmail.com wrote:

> Tektro 559”s clear SKS 50mm fenders just fine.
> [image: image0.png]
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 28, 2024, at 11:42 AM, J Schwartz  wrote:
>
> Did RBW say if they were upgrading the stock pads on those Yokozuna 
> brakes?
>
> The 559's with decent pads have worked totally fine for me.
>
> On Friday, June 28, 2024 at 11:01:28 AM UTC-4 philip@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> [image: image0.jpeg]
>>
>> Oh, it definitely is!
>>
>> And was one of my very first (and easy) decisions when I began planning 
>> and collecting for my build.
>>
>> Admittedly, they work best when direct mounted, but I’ve never felt they 
>> lacked for braking power running as center mounts instead. Especially not 
>> on road.
>>
>> They’re also one of the suggestions Riv makes for brake options on the 
>> Uno frame set page.
>>
>> I do understand how they might be a financial concern for people tho - 
>> they’re not exactly cheap!
>>
>> Although they do tend to come up on the secondhand market often.
>>
>> P. W.
>> ~
>> (917) 514-2207
>> ~
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jun 28, 2024, at 6:56 AM, dane...@gmail.com  wrote:
>>
>> Hmm... I live somewhere hilly (Vermont) and ride my roadini on 
>> everything granted the pads on the 559s on the roadini are high in the slot 
>> nd i swapped out for Kool Stops.  Not arguing that they are the most 
>> powerful brakes ever but they seem to do the job.
>>
>>
>> -Dan
>>
>> On Friday, June 28, 2024 at 9:51:24 AM UTC-4 DavidP wrote:
>>
>>> A Paul Racer (or other centerpull) could be used on a RoadUno (or Homer, 
>>> Roadini, etc.), you'd just need to add cable hangers at the headset/stem 
>>> and seat binder bolt.
>>>
>>> My primary road bike is a Malocchio with 559s and fenders. I also have a 
>>> Pescadero with maxed out GC610 centerpulls. I've had these bikes setup with 
>>> the same fenders, wheels, and tires (moved most of the parts from the 
>>> Pescadero to the Malocchio frame when I got it). Breaking performance 
>>> between the two setups seems about the same to me and has been perfectly 
>>> adequate even when caught in a downpour on the 559s, but (1) I'm fairly 
>>> light and live in an area with rolling hills and (2) the 559s are not maxed 
>>> out on the front of the Malocchio.
>>>
>>> Riv says the RoadUno takes 46mm without a fender and 43mm with - maybe 
>>> they haven't actually set one up with 43s and 559s but that doesn't sound 
>>> problematic to me and my experience with 559s and fenders hasn't been 
>>> problematic.
>>>
>>> I like the RoadUno and am looking forward to seeing the builds, but am 
>>> not planning on getting one. My RoadUno proxy is a Handsome Devil with 38s, 
>>> fenders, and cantilevers, built up this spring and soon to be converted to 
>>> 3x1. It also brakes fine.
>>>
>>> -Dave
>>>
>>> On Friday, June 28, 2024 at 9:37:02 AM UTC-4 Richard Rose wrote:
>>>
 Is the Paul Racer not an option on these bikes?
 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jun 28, 2024, at 8:57 AM, Mathias Steiner  
 wrote:

 I'm going to write it down to see if I'm the only one who thinks the 
 following:



 (i) I'm glad the Tektro 559s are available. Even with the pads all the 
 way down, they allow "OK" braking even with the factory pads. I'm not sure 
 I'd be happy if I lived where it's hilly.

 (ii) Fenders are problematic because the 559s provide obstacles much 
 lower than the brake bridge/fork crown. 
 Notably, there's a spring sticking down; the silver Roaduno pictures 
 show that clearly.

 (iii) Braking is better with Cantis, much better with V brakes. Overall 
 I prefer cantilever, for the versatility. 

 On Friday, June 28, 2024 at 7:14:51 AM UTC-4 saxt...@gmail.com wrote:

> For sure, I was in the hunq camp, but I get why a slightly lighter 
> weight option makes sense.  I would have been happy with a SS Hillborne 
> as 
> canti’s would have allowed for just a little bit more tire/fender 
> clearance, I was still tempted when I saw that 650b was the wheel size 
> for 
> my size frame as that’d be different than what I have, but the LR brakes 
> kill it for me. 
>
> On Thursday, June 27, 2024 at 9:51:07 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> It's clear lots of people wanted a single speed Appaloosa or a single 
>> speed Hunqapillar.  It's natural for those people to be sad that 
>> Rivendell 
>> offered a single speed A. Homer Hilsen instead. Those who wanted a 
>> single 
>> speed A Homer Hilsen are presumably pleased.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thur

Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno - Are for you buying one?

[J Schwartz]

Did RBW say if they were upgrading the stock pads on those Yokozuna brakes?
The 559's with decent pads have worked totally fine for me.

On Friday, June 28, 2024 at 11:01:28 AM UTC-4 philip@gmail.com wrote:

> [image: image0.jpeg]
>
> Oh, it definitely is!
>
> And was one of my very first (and easy) decisions when I began planning 
> and collecting for my build.
>
> Admittedly, they work best when direct mounted, but I’ve never felt they 
> lacked for braking power running as center mounts instead. Especially not 
> on road.
>
> They’re also one of the suggestions Riv makes for brake options on the Uno 
> frame set page.
>
> I do understand how they might be a financial concern for people tho - 
> they’re not exactly cheap!
>
> Although they do tend to come up on the secondhand market often.
>
> P. W.
> ~
> (917) 514-2207
> ~
>
>
>
>
> On Jun 28, 2024, at 6:56 AM, dane...@gmail.com  wrote:
>
> Hmm... I live somewhere hilly (Vermont) and ride my roadini on everything 
> granted the pads on the 559s on the roadini are high in the slot nd i 
> swapped out for Kool Stops.  Not arguing that they are the most powerful 
> brakes ever but they seem to do the job.
>
>
> -Dan
>
> On Friday, June 28, 2024 at 9:51:24 AM UTC-4 DavidP wrote:
>
>> A Paul Racer (or other centerpull) could be used on a RoadUno (or Homer, 
>> Roadini, etc.), you'd just need to add cable hangers at the headset/stem 
>> and seat binder bolt.
>>
>> My primary road bike is a Malocchio with 559s and fenders. I also have a 
>> Pescadero with maxed out GC610 centerpulls. I've had these bikes setup with 
>> the same fenders, wheels, and tires (moved most of the parts from the 
>> Pescadero to the Malocchio frame when I got it). Breaking performance 
>> between the two setups seems about the same to me and has been perfectly 
>> adequate even when caught in a downpour on the 559s, but (1) I'm fairly 
>> light and live in an area with rolling hills and (2) the 559s are not maxed 
>> out on the front of the Malocchio.
>>
>> Riv says the RoadUno takes 46mm without a fender and 43mm with - maybe 
>> they haven't actually set one up with 43s and 559s but that doesn't sound 
>> problematic to me and my experience with 559s and fenders hasn't been 
>> problematic.
>>
>> I like the RoadUno and am looking forward to seeing the builds, but am 
>> not planning on getting one. My RoadUno proxy is a Handsome Devil with 38s, 
>> fenders, and cantilevers, built up this spring and soon to be converted to 
>> 3x1. It also brakes fine.
>>
>> -Dave
>>
>> On Friday, June 28, 2024 at 9:37:02 AM UTC-4 Richard Rose wrote:
>>
>>> Is the Paul Racer not an option on these bikes?
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jun 28, 2024, at 8:57 AM, Mathias Steiner  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm going to write it down to see if I'm the only one who thinks the 
>>> following:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> (i) I'm glad the Tektro 559s are available. Even with the pads all the 
>>> way down, they allow "OK" braking even with the factory pads. I'm not sure 
>>> I'd be happy if I lived where it's hilly.
>>>
>>> (ii) Fenders are problematic because the 559s provide obstacles much 
>>> lower than the brake bridge/fork crown. 
>>> Notably, there's a spring sticking down; the silver Roaduno pictures 
>>> show that clearly.
>>>
>>> (iii) Braking is better with Cantis, much better with V brakes. Overall 
>>> I prefer cantilever, for the versatility. 
>>>
>>> On Friday, June 28, 2024 at 7:14:51 AM UTC-4 saxt...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 For sure, I was in the hunq camp, but I get why a slightly lighter 
 weight option makes sense.  I would have been happy with a SS Hillborne as 
 canti’s would have allowed for just a little bit more tire/fender 
 clearance, I was still tempted when I saw that 650b was the wheel size for 
 my size frame as that’d be different than what I have, but the LR brakes 
 kill it for me. 

 On Thursday, June 27, 2024 at 9:51:07 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> It's clear lots of people wanted a single speed Appaloosa or a single 
> speed Hunqapillar.  It's natural for those people to be sad that 
> Rivendell 
> offered a single speed A. Homer Hilsen instead. Those who wanted a single 
> speed A Homer Hilsen are presumably pleased.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
>
>
> On Thursday, June 27, 2024 at 6:13:07 PM UTC-7 brendonoid wrote:
>
>> Another Riv that excited me until the inexplicable change to 
>> sidepulls.
>>
>> I think I know why Riv has done this twice now but damn it is 
>> annoying.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno - Are for you buying one?

[P W]

Oh, it definitely is!And was one of my very first (and easy) decisions when I began planning and collecting for my build.Admittedly, they work best when direct mounted, but I’ve never felt they lacked for braking power running as center mounts instead. Especially not on road.They’re also one of the suggestions Riv makes for brake options on the Uno frame set page.I do understand how they might be a financial concern for people tho - they’re not exactly cheap!Although they do tend to come up on the secondhand market often.P. W.~(917) 514-2207~On Jun 28, 2024, at 6:56 AM, dane...@gmail.com  wrote:Hmm... I live somewhere hilly (Vermont) and ride my roadini on everything granted the pads on the 559s on the roadini are high in the slot nd i swapped out for Kool Stops.  Not arguing that they are the most powerful brakes ever but they seem to do the job.-DanOn Friday, June 28, 2024 at 9:51:24 AM UTC-4 DavidP wrote:A Paul Racer (or other centerpull) could be used on a RoadUno (or Homer, Roadini, etc.), you'd just need to add cable hangers at the headset/stem and seat binder bolt.My primary road bike is a Malocchio with 559s and fenders. I also have a Pescadero with maxed out GC610 centerpulls. I've had these bikes setup with the same fenders, wheels, and tires (moved most of the parts from the Pescadero to the Malocchio frame when I got it). Breaking performance between the two setups seems about the same to me and has been perfectly adequate even when caught in a downpour on the 559s, but (1) I'm fairly light and live in an area with rolling hills and (2) the 559s are not maxed out on the front of the Malocchio.Riv says the RoadUno takes 46mm without a fender and 43mm with - maybe they haven't actually set one up with 43s and 559s but that doesn't sound problematic to me and my experience with 559s and fenders hasn't been problematic.I like the RoadUno and am looking forward to seeing the builds, but am not planning on getting one. My RoadUno proxy is a Handsome Devil with 38s, fenders, and cantilevers, built up this spring and soon to be converted to 3x1. It also brakes fine.-DaveOn Friday, June 28, 2024 at 9:37:02 AM UTC-4 Richard Rose wrote:Is the Paul Racer not an option on these bikes?Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 28, 2024, at 8:57 AM, Mathias Steiner  wrote:I'm going to write it down to see if I'm the only one who thinks the following:(i) I'm glad the Tektro 559s are available. Even with the pads all the way down, they allow "OK" braking even with the factory pads. I'm not sure I'd be happy if I lived where it's hilly.(ii) Fenders are problematic because the 559s provide obstacles much lower than the brake bridge/fork crown. Notably, there's a spring sticking down; the silver Roaduno pictures show that clearly.(iii) Braking is better with Cantis, much better with V brakes. Overall I prefer cantilever, for the versatility. On Friday, June 28, 2024 at 7:14:51 AM UTC-4 saxt...@gmail.com wrote:For sure, I was in the hunq camp, but I get why a slightly lighter weight option makes sense.  I would have been happy with a SS Hillborne as canti’s would have allowed for just a little bit more tire/fender clearance, I was still tempted when I saw that 650b was the wheel size for my size frame as that’d be different than what I have, but the LR brakes kill it for me. On Thursday, June 27, 2024 at 9:51:07 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:It's clear lots of people wanted a single speed Appaloosa or a single speed Hunqapillar.  It's natural for those people to be sad that Rivendell offered a single speed A. Homer Hilsen instead. Those who wanted a single speed A Homer Hilsen are presumably pleased.  Bill LindsayEl Cerrito, CAOn Thursday, June 27, 2024 at 6:13:07 PM UTC-7 brendonoid wrote:Another Riv that excited me until the inexplicable change to sidepulls.I think I know why Riv has done this twice now but damn it is annoying.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno - Are for you buying one?

[dane...@gmail.com]

Hmm... I live somewhere hilly (Vermont) and ride my roadini on everything 
granted the pads on the 559s on the roadini are high in the slot nd i 
swapped out for Kool Stops.  Not arguing that they are the most powerful 
brakes ever but they seem to do the job.

-Dan

On Friday, June 28, 2024 at 9:51:24 AM UTC-4 DavidP wrote:

> A Paul Racer (or other centerpull) could be used on a RoadUno (or Homer, 
> Roadini, etc.), you'd just need to add cable hangers at the headset/stem 
> and seat binder bolt.
>
> My primary road bike is a Malocchio with 559s and fenders. I also have a 
> Pescadero with maxed out GC610 centerpulls. I've had these bikes setup with 
> the same fenders, wheels, and tires (moved most of the parts from the 
> Pescadero to the Malocchio frame when I got it). Breaking performance 
> between the two setups seems about the same to me and has been perfectly 
> adequate even when caught in a downpour on the 559s, but (1) I'm fairly 
> light and live in an area with rolling hills and (2) the 559s are not maxed 
> out on the front of the Malocchio.
>
> Riv says the RoadUno takes 46mm without a fender and 43mm with - maybe 
> they haven't actually set one up with 43s and 559s but that doesn't sound 
> problematic to me and my experience with 559s and fenders hasn't been 
> problematic.
>
> I like the RoadUno and am looking forward to seeing the builds, but am not 
> planning on getting one. My RoadUno proxy is a Handsome Devil with 38s, 
> fenders, and cantilevers, built up this spring and soon to be converted to 
> 3x1. It also brakes fine.
>
> -Dave
>
> On Friday, June 28, 2024 at 9:37:02 AM UTC-4 Richard Rose wrote:
>
>> Is the Paul Racer not an option on these bikes?
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jun 28, 2024, at 8:57 AM, Mathias Steiner  
>> wrote:
>>
>> I'm going to write it down to see if I'm the only one who thinks the 
>> following:
>>
>>
>>
>> (i) I'm glad the Tektro 559s are available. Even with the pads all the 
>> way down, they allow "OK" braking even with the factory pads. I'm not sure 
>> I'd be happy if I lived where it's hilly.
>>
>> (ii) Fenders are problematic because the 559s provide obstacles much 
>> lower than the brake bridge/fork crown. 
>> Notably, there's a spring sticking down; the silver Roaduno pictures show 
>> that clearly.
>>
>> (iii) Braking is better with Cantis, much better with V brakes. Overall I 
>> prefer cantilever, for the versatility. 
>>
>> On Friday, June 28, 2024 at 7:14:51 AM UTC-4 saxt...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> For sure, I was in the hunq camp, but I get why a slightly lighter 
>>> weight option makes sense.  I would have been happy with a SS Hillborne as 
>>> canti’s would have allowed for just a little bit more tire/fender 
>>> clearance, I was still tempted when I saw that 650b was the wheel size for 
>>> my size frame as that’d be different than what I have, but the LR brakes 
>>> kill it for me. 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, June 27, 2024 at 9:51:07 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 It's clear lots of people wanted a single speed Appaloosa or a single 
 speed Hunqapillar.  It's natural for those people to be sad that Rivendell 
 offered a single speed A. Homer Hilsen instead. Those who wanted a single 
 speed A Homer Hilsen are presumably pleased.  

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA



 On Thursday, June 27, 2024 at 6:13:07 PM UTC-7 brendonoid wrote:

> Another Riv that excited me until the inexplicable change to sidepulls.
>
> I think I know why Riv has done this twice now but damn it is annoying.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno - Are for you buying one?

[DavidP]

A Paul Racer (or other centerpull) could be used on a RoadUno (or Homer, 
Roadini, etc.), you'd just need to add cable hangers at the headset/stem 
and seat binder bolt.

My primary road bike is a Malocchio with 559s and fenders. I also have a 
Pescadero with maxed out GC610 centerpulls. I've had these bikes setup with 
the same fenders, wheels, and tires (moved most of the parts from the 
Pescadero to the Malocchio frame when I got it). Breaking performance 
between the two setups seems about the same to me and has been perfectly 
adequate even when caught in a downpour on the 559s, but (1) I'm fairly 
light and live in an area with rolling hills and (2) the 559s are not maxed 
out on the front of the Malocchio.

Riv says the RoadUno takes 46mm without a fender and 43mm with - maybe they 
haven't actually set one up with 43s and 559s but that doesn't sound 
problematic to me and my experience with 559s and fenders hasn't been 
problematic.

I like the RoadUno and am looking forward to seeing the builds, but am not 
planning on getting one. My RoadUno proxy is a Handsome Devil with 38s, 
fenders, and cantilevers, built up this spring and soon to be converted to 
3x1. It also brakes fine.

-Dave

On Friday, June 28, 2024 at 9:37:02 AM UTC-4 Richard Rose wrote:

> Is the Paul Racer not an option on these bikes?
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 28, 2024, at 8:57 AM, Mathias Steiner  
> wrote:
>
> I'm going to write it down to see if I'm the only one who thinks the 
> following:
>
>
>
> (i) I'm glad the Tektro 559s are available. Even with the pads all the way 
> down, they allow "OK" braking even with the factory pads. I'm not sure I'd 
> be happy if I lived where it's hilly.
>
> (ii) Fenders are problematic because the 559s provide obstacles much lower 
> than the brake bridge/fork crown. 
> Notably, there's a spring sticking down; the silver Roaduno pictures show 
> that clearly.
>
> (iii) Braking is better with Cantis, much better with V brakes. Overall I 
> prefer cantilever, for the versatility. 
>
> On Friday, June 28, 2024 at 7:14:51 AM UTC-4 saxt...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> For sure, I was in the hunq camp, but I get why a slightly lighter weight 
>> option makes sense.  I would have been happy with a SS Hillborne as canti’s 
>> would have allowed for just a little bit more tire/fender clearance, I was 
>> still tempted when I saw that 650b was the wheel size for my size frame as 
>> that’d be different than what I have, but the LR brakes kill it for me. 
>>
>> On Thursday, June 27, 2024 at 9:51:07 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> It's clear lots of people wanted a single speed Appaloosa or a single 
>>> speed Hunqapillar.  It's natural for those people to be sad that Rivendell 
>>> offered a single speed A. Homer Hilsen instead. Those who wanted a single 
>>> speed A Homer Hilsen are presumably pleased.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, June 27, 2024 at 6:13:07 PM UTC-7 brendonoid wrote:
>>>
 Another Riv that excited me until the inexplicable change to sidepulls.

 I think I know why Riv has done this twice now but damn it is annoying.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno - Are for you buying one?

[Richard Rose]

Is the Paul Racer not an option on these bikes?Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 28, 2024, at 8:57 AM, Mathias Steiner  wrote:I'm going to write it down to see if I'm the only one who thinks the following:(i) I'm glad the Tektro 559s are available. Even with the pads all the way down, they allow "OK" braking even with the factory pads. I'm not sure I'd be happy if I lived where it's hilly.(ii) Fenders are problematic because the 559s provide obstacles much lower than the brake bridge/fork crown. Notably, there's a spring sticking down; the silver Roaduno pictures show that clearly.(iii) Braking is better with Cantis, much better with V brakes. Overall I prefer cantilever, for the versatility. On Friday, June 28, 2024 at 7:14:51 AM UTC-4 saxt...@gmail.com wrote:For sure, I was in the hunq camp, but I get why a slightly lighter weight option makes sense.  I would have been happy with a SS Hillborne as canti’s would have allowed for just a little bit more tire/fender clearance, I was still tempted when I saw that 650b was the wheel size for my size frame as that’d be different than what I have, but the LR brakes kill it for me. On Thursday, June 27, 2024 at 9:51:07 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:It's clear lots of people wanted a single speed Appaloosa or a single speed Hunqapillar.  It's natural for those people to be sad that Rivendell offered a single speed A. Homer Hilsen instead. Those who wanted a single speed A Homer Hilsen are presumably pleased.  Bill LindsayEl Cerrito, CAOn Thursday, June 27, 2024 at 6:13:07 PM UTC-7 brendonoid wrote:Another Riv that excited me until the inexplicable change to sidepulls.I think I know why Riv has done this twice now but damn it is annoying.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno - Are for you buying one?

[Mathias Steiner]

I'm going to write it down to see if I'm the only one who thinks the 
following:

(i) I'm glad the Tektro 559s are available. Even with the pads all the way 
down, they allow "OK" braking even with the factory pads. I'm not sure I'd 
be happy if I lived where it's hilly.

(ii) Fenders are problematic because the 559s provide obstacles much lower 
than the brake bridge/fork crown. 
Notably, there's a spring sticking down; the silver Roaduno pictures show 
that clearly.

(iii) Braking is better with Cantis, much better with V brakes. Overall I 
prefer cantilever, for the versatility. 

On Friday, June 28, 2024 at 7:14:51 AM UTC-4 saxt...@gmail.com wrote:

> For sure, I was in the hunq camp, but I get why a slightly lighter weight 
> option makes sense.  I would have been happy with a SS Hillborne as canti’s 
> would have allowed for just a little bit more tire/fender clearance, I was 
> still tempted when I saw that 650b was the wheel size for my size frame as 
> that’d be different than what I have, but the LR brakes kill it for me. 
>
> On Thursday, June 27, 2024 at 9:51:07 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> It's clear lots of people wanted a single speed Appaloosa or a single 
>> speed Hunqapillar.  It's natural for those people to be sad that Rivendell 
>> offered a single speed A. Homer Hilsen instead. Those who wanted a single 
>> speed A Homer Hilsen are presumably pleased.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, June 27, 2024 at 6:13:07 PM UTC-7 brendonoid wrote:
>>
>>> Another Riv that excited me until the inexplicable change to sidepulls.
>>>
>>> I think I know why Riv has done this twice now but damn it is annoying.
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno - Are for you buying one?

[T s]

For sure, I was in the hunq camp, but I get why a slightly lighter weight 
option makes sense.  I would have been happy with a SS Hillborne as canti’s 
would have allowed for just a little bit more tire/fender clearance, I was 
still tempted when I saw that 650b was the wheel size for my size frame as 
that’d be different than what I have, but the LR brakes kill it for me. 

On Thursday, June 27, 2024 at 9:51:07 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> It's clear lots of people wanted a single speed Appaloosa or a single 
> speed Hunqapillar.  It's natural for those people to be sad that Rivendell 
> offered a single speed A. Homer Hilsen instead. Those who wanted a single 
> speed A Homer Hilsen are presumably pleased.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
>
>
> On Thursday, June 27, 2024 at 6:13:07 PM UTC-7 brendonoid wrote:
>
>> Another Riv that excited me until the inexplicable change to sidepulls.
>>
>> I think I know why Riv has done this twice now but damn it is annoying.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno - Are you buying one?

[Bill Lindsay]

It's clear lots of people wanted a single speed Appaloosa or a single speed 
Hunqapillar.  It's natural for those people to be sad that Rivendell 
offered a single speed A. Homer Hilsen instead. Those who wanted a single 
speed A Homer Hilsen are presumably pleased.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA



On Thursday, June 27, 2024 at 6:13:07 PM UTC-7 brendonoid wrote:

> Another Riv that excited me until the inexplicable change to sidepulls.
>
> I think I know why Riv has done this twice now but damn it is annoying.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno - Are you buying one?

[brendonoid]

Another Riv that excited me until the inexplicable change to sidepulls.

I think I know why Riv has done this twice now but damn it is annoying.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno - Are you buying one?

[Eric Daume]

I agree on this. I love single speeds, and the 3x1 flexibility looks fun,
and the 61.5m profile looks just right for me, but those long reach brakes
are a deal breaker for me. I've built bikes with them in the past, and
their stopping power in the wet is inadequate for me. Maybe the Riv guys
never ride across a section of wet grass and then need to stop for a road
crossing, but I have, and had some scares with these brakes.

Eric
in Plain City, OH, wondering how they use those brakes in hills

On Wed, Jun 26, 2024 at 5:50 PM Marty Gierke, Stewartstown PA <
martinpgie...@gmail.com> wrote:

> And I agree about the missing canti option. With the upcoming V-brake I
> would have bit the bullet on a silver one myself.
>
> Marty
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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno - Are you buying one?

[Richard Rose]

Curious about the numbers too. I know vendors are all different but remember reading about Black Mountain difficulties due to minimum orders - something like 30 of each size / color? It put him - Black Mountain - in jeopardy. They made it work with single frame colors & fewer sizes.Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 27, 2024, at 5:02 PM, Edwin W  wrote:I wonder how many they ordered of each iteration - with three colors and 5 sizes of frames and five sizes of completes, that could be up to something like 150 bikes (frames and completes) if they got 5 of each iteration listed, or 300 if they got 10. Or something in between if they mixed and matched.I hope they sell a lot and fill up their coffers!61.5 purple frame,EdwinOn Thursday, June 27, 2024 at 3:25:35 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:They appear to be moving, but it's not a total frenzy like some other releases in the past.  Bill LindsayEl Cerrito, CAOn Thursday, June 27, 2024 at 12:13:50 PM UTC-7 lconley wrote:One 54.5 in Ana Purple complete ordered. I decided that I like the high flange hubs on the wheelset and the new crankset so I ordered a complete instead of a frameset.LaingDelray Beach FLOn Sunday, June 23, 2024 at 4:59:43 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:The Roaduno sale begins Thursday June 27th noon Pacific time. Who is planning to buy one? Will you buy a frameset to build up or a complete? Color preference?I'm curious as to the demand for this bike. It's not JUST a single speed which I think is cool. And, cool is good in my lingo. What do you all think of the stock components?Let's talk Roaduno!!Doug



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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno - Are you buying one?

[Jon Dukeman]

Go to the riv info page click on dealers.
One of those dealers might have what you are looking for or have one being
delivered .

On Thu, Jun 27, 2024, 2:41 PM tio ryan  wrote:

> Didn't realize until placing my order (47.5 silver complete) that there
> weren't any 47.5 frames available.
>
> 47.5 complete in silver was sold out immediately after I got my order in.
>
> -tio
> On Thursday, June 27, 2024 at 4:25:35 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> They appear to be moving, but it's not a total frenzy like some other
>> releases in the past.
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Thursday, June 27, 2024 at 12:13:50 PM UTC-7 lconley wrote:
>>
>>> One 54.5 in Ana Purple complete ordered. I decided that I like the high
>>> flange hubs on the wheelset and the new crankset so I ordered a complete
>>> instead of a frameset.
>>>
>>> Laing
>>> Delray Beach FL
>>>
>>> On Sunday, June 23, 2024 at 4:59:43 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:
>>>
 The Roaduno sale begins Thursday June 27th noon Pacific time. Who is
 planning to buy one? Will you buy a frameset to build up or a complete?
 Color preference?

 I'm curious as to the demand for this bike. It's not JUST a single
 speed which I think is cool. And, cool is good in my lingo. What do you all
 think of the stock components?

 Let's talk Roaduno!!

 Doug

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno - Are you buying one?

[tio ryan]

I blocked off 30 mins on my work calendar "*Busy, 3pm*". 

-tio "*you only need one*" ryan 


On Thursday, June 27, 2024 at 9:39:50 AM UTC-4 philip@gmail.com wrote:

> I don’t think I’d have been upset if I’d had to get the  Purple one tho.
>
> The complete in that colour that Riv posted looks really nice, I think.
>
> Might just be because it’s my size!
>
> Good luck today anyone that’s going for one!
>
> P. W.
> ~
> (917) 514-2207
> ~
>
>
>
>
> On Jun 27, 2024, at 6:36 AM, Richard Rose  wrote:
>
> I have thought I’d like all three color options - and I do. But dang that 
> silver kills.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 26, 2024, at 6:54 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
> The down tube graphics are exceptional.  I agree the purple "1" on the 
> silver pops.  I'm hooked on the Saint Jump stickers.  
>
> I bought two different R05C0 8U883 bikes because of the rocket headbadge. 
>  The Rosco Bubbe Road that I owned is available from CMR right now, and I 
> endorse it.  
>
> I half want to convince one of you frame set buyers to get a complete 
> instead so I can grab the parts kit.  I want a set of the svelte new Silver 
> cranks (in 173) and the Saint Jump wheels are great too.  If you are in the 
> East Bay hand-off range and want to do something, let me know.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 3:19:26 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Question to the group; anyone ever bought a bike solely for the downtube 
>> graphics? Riv nailed it with this Roaduno at least in my book. I do 
>> particularly like it on the silver but all three look good to me.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jun 26, 2024, at 5:50 PM, Marty Gierke, Stewartstown PA <
>> martin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> And I agree about the missing canti option. With the upcoming V-brake I 
>> would have bit the bullet on a silver one myself. 
>>
>> Marty
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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno - Are you buying one?

[P W]

I don’t think I’d have been upset if I’d had to get the  Purple one tho.The complete in that colour that Riv posted looks really nice, I think.Might just be because it’s my size!Good luck today anyone that’s going for one!P. W.~(917) 514-2207~On Jun 27, 2024, at 6:36 AM, Richard Rose  wrote:I have thought I’d like all three color options - and I do. But dang that silver kills.Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 26, 2024, at 6:54 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:The down tube graphics are exceptional.  I agree the purple "1" on the silver pops.  I'm hooked on the Saint Jump stickers.  I bought two different R05C0 8U883 bikes because of the rocket headbadge.  The Rosco Bubbe Road that I owned is available from CMR right now, and I endorse it.  I half want to convince one of you frame set buyers to get a complete instead so I can grab the parts kit.  I want a set of the svelte new Silver cranks (in 173) and the Saint Jump wheels are great too.  If you are in the East Bay hand-off range and want to do something, let me know.  Bill LindsayEl Cerrito, CAOn Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 3:19:26 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:Question to the group; anyone ever bought a bike solely for the downtube graphics? Riv nailed it with this Roaduno at least in my book. I do particularly like it on the silver but all three look good to me.Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 26, 2024, at 5:50 PM, Marty Gierke, Stewartstown PA  wrote:And I agree about the missing canti option. With the upcoming V-brake I would have bit the bullet on a silver one myself. Marty



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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno - Are you buying one?

[Richard Rose]

I have thought I’d like all three color options - and I do. But dang that silver kills.Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 26, 2024, at 6:54 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:The down tube graphics are exceptional.  I agree the purple "1" on the silver pops.  I'm hooked on the Saint Jump stickers.  I bought two different R05C0 8U883 bikes because of the rocket headbadge.  The Rosco Bubbe Road that I owned is available from CMR right now, and I endorse it.  I half want to convince one of you frame set buyers to get a complete instead so I can grab the parts kit.  I want a set of the svelte new Silver cranks (in 173) and the Saint Jump wheels are great too.  If you are in the East Bay hand-off range and want to do something, let me know.  Bill LindsayEl Cerrito, CAOn Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 3:19:26 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:Question to the group; anyone ever bought a bike solely for the downtube graphics? Riv nailed it with this Roaduno at least in my book. I do particularly like it on the silver but all three look good to me.Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 26, 2024, at 5:50 PM, Marty Gierke, Stewartstown PA  wrote:And I agree about the missing canti option. With the upcoming V-brake I would have bit the bullet on a silver one myself. Marty



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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno - Are you buying one?

[Edwin W]

Bill,

That is an awesome offer! I wish I still lived in Berkeley... I would love 
to do that.

Sadly (for this reason) in Nashville,

Edwin

On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 7:06:56 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> New Email Newsletter all about the Roaduno is out.  So, based on my above 
> "offer", if you plan to buy a 58 or a 61.5 frame set, think about getting 
> the complete instead and letting me in on the parts.  The price delta is 
> $650.  My offer is $700 plus my personal expert labor in helping you pull 
> your complete together.  You'll get the frame a hair cheaper.  I only want 
> to do this if it's local, so we don't have to ship things around.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 3:54:00 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> The down tube graphics are exceptional.  I agree the purple "1" on the 
>> silver pops.  I'm hooked on the Saint Jump stickers.  
>>
>> I bought two different R05C0 8U883 bikes because of the rocket headbadge. 
>>  The Rosco Bubbe Road that I owned is available from CMR right now, and I 
>> endorse it.  
>>
>> I half want to convince one of you frame set buyers to get a complete 
>> instead so I can grab the parts kit.  I want a set of the svelte new Silver 
>> cranks (in 173) and the Saint Jump wheels are great too.  If you are in the 
>> East Bay hand-off range and want to do something, let me know.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 3:19:26 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Question to the group; anyone ever bought a bike solely for the downtube 
>>> graphics? Riv nailed it with this Roaduno at least in my book. I do 
>>> particularly like it on the silver but all three look good to me.
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jun 26, 2024, at 5:50 PM, Marty Gierke, Stewartstown PA <
>>> martin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> And I agree about the missing canti option. With the upcoming V-brake I 
>>> would have bit the bullet on a silver one myself. 
>>>
>>> Marty
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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno - Are you buying one?

[Doug H.]

As much as I enjoy single speed riding I don't plan to buy a Roaduno today. 
I think the Silver with all black components would be so nice. Good luck to 
all who plan to buy! Keep your fingers on your keyboard.
Doug

On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 8:06:56 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> New Email Newsletter all about the Roaduno is out.  So, based on my above 
> "offer", if you plan to buy a 58 or a 61.5 frame set, think about getting 
> the complete instead and letting me in on the parts.  The price delta is 
> $650.  My offer is $700 plus my personal expert labor in helping you pull 
> your complete together.  You'll get the frame a hair cheaper.  I only want 
> to do this if it's local, so we don't have to ship things around.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 3:54:00 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> The down tube graphics are exceptional.  I agree the purple "1" on the 
>> silver pops.  I'm hooked on the Saint Jump stickers.  
>>
>> I bought two different R05C0 8U883 bikes because of the rocket headbadge. 
>>  The Rosco Bubbe Road that I owned is available from CMR right now, and I 
>> endorse it.  
>>
>> I half want to convince one of you frame set buyers to get a complete 
>> instead so I can grab the parts kit.  I want a set of the svelte new Silver 
>> cranks (in 173) and the Saint Jump wheels are great too.  If you are in the 
>> East Bay hand-off range and want to do something, let me know.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 3:19:26 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Question to the group; anyone ever bought a bike solely for the downtube 
>>> graphics? Riv nailed it with this Roaduno at least in my book. I do 
>>> particularly like it on the silver but all three look good to me.
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jun 26, 2024, at 5:50 PM, Marty Gierke, Stewartstown PA <
>>> martin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> And I agree about the missing canti option. With the upcoming V-brake I 
>>> would have bit the bullet on a silver one myself. 
>>>
>>> Marty
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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno - Are you buying one?

[Bill Lindsay]

New Email Newsletter all about the Roaduno is out.  So, based on my above 
"offer", if you plan to buy a 58 or a 61.5 frame set, think about getting 
the complete instead and letting me in on the parts.  The price delta is 
$650.  My offer is $700 plus my personal expert labor in helping you pull 
your complete together.  You'll get the frame a hair cheaper.  I only want 
to do this if it's local, so we don't have to ship things around.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 3:54:00 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> The down tube graphics are exceptional.  I agree the purple "1" on the 
> silver pops.  I'm hooked on the Saint Jump stickers.  
>
> I bought two different R05C0 8U883 bikes because of the rocket headbadge. 
>  The Rosco Bubbe Road that I owned is available from CMR right now, and I 
> endorse it.  
>
> I half want to convince one of you frame set buyers to get a complete 
> instead so I can grab the parts kit.  I want a set of the svelte new Silver 
> cranks (in 173) and the Saint Jump wheels are great too.  If you are in the 
> East Bay hand-off range and want to do something, let me know.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 3:19:26 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Question to the group; anyone ever bought a bike solely for the downtube 
>> graphics? Riv nailed it with this Roaduno at least in my book. I do 
>> particularly like it on the silver but all three look good to me.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jun 26, 2024, at 5:50 PM, Marty Gierke, Stewartstown PA <
>> martin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> And I agree about the missing canti option. With the upcoming V-brake I 
>> would have bit the bullet on a silver one myself. 
>>
>> Marty
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno - Are you buying one?

[Bill Lindsay]

The down tube graphics are exceptional.  I agree the purple "1" on the 
silver pops.  I'm hooked on the Saint Jump stickers.  

I bought two different R05C0 8U883 bikes because of the rocket headbadge. 
 The Rosco Bubbe Road that I owned is available from CMR right now, and I 
endorse it.  

I half want to convince one of you frame set buyers to get a complete 
instead so I can grab the parts kit.  I want a set of the svelte new Silver 
cranks (in 173) and the Saint Jump wheels are great too.  If you are in the 
East Bay hand-off range and want to do something, let me know.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 3:19:26 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Question to the group; anyone ever bought a bike solely for the downtube 
> graphics? Riv nailed it with this Roaduno at least in my book. I do 
> particularly like it on the silver but all three look good to me.
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 26, 2024, at 5:50 PM, Marty Gierke, Stewartstown PA <
> martin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> And I agree about the missing canti option. With the upcoming V-brake I 
> would have bit the bullet on a silver one myself. 
>
> Marty
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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno - Are you buying one?

[Richard Rose]

Question to the group; anyone ever bought a bike solely for the downtube graphics? Riv nailed it with this Roaduno at least in my book. I do particularly like it on the silver but all three look good to me.Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 26, 2024, at 5:50 PM, Marty Gierke, Stewartstown PA  wrote:And I agree about the missing canti option. With the upcoming V-brake I would have bit the bullet on a silver one myself. Marty



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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno - Are you buying one?

[Marty Gierke, Stewartstown PA]

And I agree about the missing canti option. With the upcoming V-brake I 
would have bit the bullet on a silver one myself. 

Marty

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno - Are you buying one?

[Joe Bernard]

Will says on Instagram that they're building up a silver and posting pics 
today. 

On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 8:58:00 AM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> No pics of the Silver?
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 26, 2024, at 10:03 AM, Dave S  wrote:
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/products/frame-roaduno
>
>
> Page/Photos are up.
>
> On Sunday, June 23, 2024 at 4:59:43 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> The Roaduno sale begins Thursday June 27th noon Pacific time. Who is 
>> planning to buy one? Will you buy a frameset to build up or a complete? 
>> Color preference?
>>
>> I'm curious as to the demand for this bike. It's not JUST a single speed 
>> which I think is cool. And, cool is good in my lingo. What do you all think 
>> of the stock components?
>>
>> Let's talk Roaduno!!
>>
>> Doug
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno - Are you buying one?

[Richard Rose]

No pics of the Silver?Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 26, 2024, at 10:03 AM, Dave S  wrote:https://www.rivbike.com/products/frame-roadunoPage/Photos are up.On Sunday, June 23, 2024 at 4:59:43 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:The Roaduno sale begins Thursday June 27th noon Pacific time. Who is planning to buy one? Will you buy a frameset to build up or a complete? Color preference?I'm curious as to the demand for this bike. It's not JUST a single speed which I think is cool. And, cool is good in my lingo. What do you all think of the stock components?Let's talk Roaduno!!Doug



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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno - Are you buying one?

[Bill Lindsay]

"I’m going very, very black with mine"

The kids call that "murdered out".  I look forward to seeing it.  

BL in EC
On Monday, June 24, 2024 at 9:25:29 AM UTC-7 P W wrote:

> To Bill’s all silver idea: I’m going very, very black with mine.
>
> Originally I wanted all black everything, to make the silver pop and 
> because I figured most people would do a silver-leaning build.
>
> But have had to make some concessions along the way, due to availability 
> and deals too good to ignore.
>
> I’d post the photo I took of the build kit, but don’t want to ruin the 
> reveal before the bike is even in hand!
>
> P. W.
> ~
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>
>
>
> On Jun 24, 2024, at 7:34 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
> I took the 3x1 inspiration to do a 3x1 Rivendell build on a Romulus.  I 
> rode that bike up Mount Diablo this month and it's becoming a favorite bike 
> in my large stable. Here's a photo of the bike at the summit:
>
>
>
> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53778626719/in/album-72177720313832831/
>
> I feel like I'm exactly in between a 54.5 and a 58.  The 58 has the Reach, 
> but very high Stack.  The 54.5 has a more reasonable Stack, but it's short 
> on the Reach.  The build concept would influence the size.  I could run a 
> 54.5 with drops and a long stem.  I could run a 58 with a low stem and low 
> rise flat bars.  
>
> I confess that Will tempted me with the statement "at least one maniac 
> will put a Regina 5-speed freewheel on theirs.  I am a big fan of 
> multi-gear 120mm OLD builds, so now I feel like I've been challenged.  Ha 
> ha.  I'll think on it some more when the product page comes out.  
>
> One of the visual concepts I've got bouncing in my head would be the 
> silver color with absolutely every single thing on the build SILVER.  Light 
> grey grips, tires, saddle.  100% silver components.  Not a single speck of 
> black.  I think grey rubber tires would have tan sidewalls, so that would 
> be the only other color.  That could look really good.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Sunday, June 23, 2024 at 1:59:43 PM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> The Roaduno sale begins Thursday June 27th noon Pacific time. Who is 
>> planning to buy one? Will you buy a frameset to build up or a complete? 
>> Color preference?
>>
>> I'm curious as to the demand for this bike. It's not JUST a single speed 
>> which I think is cool. And, cool is good in my lingo. What do you all think 
>> of the stock components?
>>
>> Let's talk Roaduno!!
>>
>> Doug
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno - Are you buying one?

[Danny]

Richard, this is from Will's latest email about the Roadunos.

It's not on the size chart yet, but the Homer is almost exactly the same
geometry,

-Danny

On Mon, Jun 24, 2024 at 11:43 AM Richard Rose  wrote:

> Bill Lindsay, are you basing the geo numbers on the Homer? Interesting
> that Riv are planning a pre sale in three days without any published photos
> of actual production frames/bikes/colors or geometry.
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 24, 2024, at 10:34 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
> I took the 3x1 inspiration to do a 3x1 Rivendell build on a Romulus.  I
> rode that bike up Mount Diablo this month and it's becoming a favorite bike
> in my large stable. Here's a photo of the bike at the summit:
>
>
> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53778626719/in/album-72177720313832831/
>
> I feel like I'm exactly in between a 54.5 and a 58.  The 58 has the Reach,
> but very high Stack.  The 54.5 has a more reasonable Stack, but it's short
> on the Reach.  The build concept would influence the size.  I could run a
> 54.5 with drops and a long stem.  I could run a 58 with a low stem and low
> rise flat bars.
>
> I confess that Will tempted me with the statement "at least one maniac
> will put a Regina 5-speed freewheel on theirs.  I am a big fan of
> multi-gear 120mm OLD builds, so now I feel like I've been challenged.  Ha
> ha.  I'll think on it some more when the product page comes out.
>
> One of the visual concepts I've got bouncing in my head would be the
> silver color with absolutely every single thing on the build SILVER.  Light
> grey grips, tires, saddle.  100% silver components.  Not a single speck of
> black.  I think grey rubber tires would have tan sidewalls, so that would
> be the only other color.  That could look really good.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Sunday, June 23, 2024 at 1:59:43 PM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> The Roaduno sale begins Thursday June 27th noon Pacific time. Who is
>> planning to buy one? Will you buy a frameset to build up or a complete?
>> Color preference?
>>
>> I'm curious as to the demand for this bike. It's not JUST a single speed
>> which I think is cool. And, cool is good in my lingo. What do you all think
>> of the stock components?
>>
>> Let's talk Roaduno!!
>>
>> Doug
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno - Are you buying one?

[tio ryan]

Adam, it sounds like you may have been unsubscribed from the email list. I 
was too and had to sign up again with an alternate email address to receive 
them. 

The last two newsletters 

 
talk about the Roaduno.


On Monday, June 24, 2024 at 1:10:53 PM UTC-4 Adam in Indiana wrote:

> Was there an email or blog announcement for the Roaduno presale? I didn’t 
> even know it was starting this Thursday, but figured I had just missed the 
> email or accidentally deleted it.
>
> On Monday, June 24, 2024 at 12:43:11 PM UTC-4 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Bill Lindsay, are you basing the geo numbers on the Homer? Interesting 
>> that Riv are planning a pre sale in three days without any published photos 
>> of actual production frames/bikes/colors or geometry.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jun 24, 2024, at 10:34 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>
>> I took the 3x1 inspiration to do a 3x1 Rivendell build on a Romulus.  I 
>> rode that bike up Mount Diablo this month and it's becoming a favorite bike 
>> in my large stable. Here's a photo of the bike at the summit:
>>
>>
>>
>> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53778626719/in/album-72177720313832831/
>>
>> I feel like I'm exactly in between a 54.5 and a 58.  The 58 has the 
>> Reach, but very high Stack.  The 54.5 has a more reasonable Stack, but it's 
>> short on the Reach.  The build concept would influence the size.  I could 
>> run a 54.5 with drops and a long stem.  I could run a 58 with a low stem 
>> and low rise flat bars.  
>>
>> I confess that Will tempted me with the statement "at least one maniac 
>> will put a Regina 5-speed freewheel on theirs.  I am a big fan of 
>> multi-gear 120mm OLD builds, so now I feel like I've been challenged.  Ha 
>> ha.  I'll think on it some more when the product page comes out.  
>>
>> One of the visual concepts I've got bouncing in my head would be the 
>> silver color with absolutely every single thing on the build SILVER.  Light 
>> grey grips, tires, saddle.  100% silver components.  Not a single speck of 
>> black.  I think grey rubber tires would have tan sidewalls, so that would 
>> be the only other color.  That could look really good.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Sunday, June 23, 2024 at 1:59:43 PM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>>
>>> The Roaduno sale begins Thursday June 27th noon Pacific time. Who is 
>>> planning to buy one? Will you buy a frameset to build up or a complete? 
>>> Color preference?
>>>
>>> I'm curious as to the demand for this bike. It's not JUST a single speed 
>>> which I think is cool. And, cool is good in my lingo. What do you all think 
>>> of the stock components?
>>>
>>> Let's talk Roaduno!!
>>>
>>> Doug
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno - Are you buying one?

[Adam in Indiana]

Was there an email or blog announcement for the Roaduno presale? I didn’t 
even know it was starting this Thursday, but figured I had just missed the 
email or accidentally deleted it.

On Monday, June 24, 2024 at 12:43:11 PM UTC-4 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Bill Lindsay, are you basing the geo numbers on the Homer? Interesting 
> that Riv are planning a pre sale in three days without any published photos 
> of actual production frames/bikes/colors or geometry.
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 24, 2024, at 10:34 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
> I took the 3x1 inspiration to do a 3x1 Rivendell build on a Romulus.  I 
> rode that bike up Mount Diablo this month and it's becoming a favorite bike 
> in my large stable. Here's a photo of the bike at the summit:
>
>
>
> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53778626719/in/album-72177720313832831/
>
> I feel like I'm exactly in between a 54.5 and a 58.  The 58 has the Reach, 
> but very high Stack.  The 54.5 has a more reasonable Stack, but it's short 
> on the Reach.  The build concept would influence the size.  I could run a 
> 54.5 with drops and a long stem.  I could run a 58 with a low stem and low 
> rise flat bars.  
>
> I confess that Will tempted me with the statement "at least one maniac 
> will put a Regina 5-speed freewheel on theirs.  I am a big fan of 
> multi-gear 120mm OLD builds, so now I feel like I've been challenged.  Ha 
> ha.  I'll think on it some more when the product page comes out.  
>
> One of the visual concepts I've got bouncing in my head would be the 
> silver color with absolutely every single thing on the build SILVER.  Light 
> grey grips, tires, saddle.  100% silver components.  Not a single speck of 
> black.  I think grey rubber tires would have tan sidewalls, so that would 
> be the only other color.  That could look really good.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Sunday, June 23, 2024 at 1:59:43 PM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> The Roaduno sale begins Thursday June 27th noon Pacific time. Who is 
>> planning to buy one? Will you buy a frameset to build up or a complete? 
>> Color preference?
>>
>> I'm curious as to the demand for this bike. It's not JUST a single speed 
>> which I think is cool. And, cool is good in my lingo. What do you all think 
>> of the stock components?
>>
>> Let's talk Roaduno!!
>>
>> Doug
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno - Are you buying one?

[Richard Rose]

Bill Lindsay, are you basing the geo numbers on the Homer? Interesting that Riv are planning a pre sale in three days without any published photos of actual production frames/bikes/colors or geometry.Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 24, 2024, at 10:34 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:I took the 3x1 inspiration to do a 3x1 Rivendell build on a Romulus.  I rode that bike up Mount Diablo this month and it's becoming a favorite bike in my large stable. Here's a photo of the bike at the summit:https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53778626719/in/album-72177720313832831/I feel like I'm exactly in between a 54.5 and a 58.  The 58 has the Reach, but very high Stack.  The 54.5 has a more reasonable Stack, but it's short on the Reach.  The build concept would influence the size.  I could run a 54.5 with drops and a long stem.  I could run a 58 with a low stem and low rise flat bars.  I confess that Will tempted me with the statement "at least one maniac will put a Regina 5-speed freewheel on theirs.  I am a big fan of multi-gear 120mm OLD builds, so now I feel like I've been challenged.  Ha ha.  I'll think on it some more when the product page comes out.  One of the visual concepts I've got bouncing in my head would be the silver color with absolutely every single thing on the build SILVER.  Light grey grips, tires, saddle.  100% silver components.  Not a single speck of black.  I think grey rubber tires would have tan sidewalls, so that would be the only other color.  That could look really good.  Bill LindsayEl Cerrito, CAOn Sunday, June 23, 2024 at 1:59:43 PM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:The Roaduno sale begins Thursday June 27th noon Pacific time. Who is planning to buy one? Will you buy a frameset to build up or a complete? Color preference?I'm curious as to the demand for this bike. It's not JUST a single speed which I think is cool. And, cool is good in my lingo. What do you all think of the stock components?Let's talk Roaduno!!Doug



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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno - Are you buying one?

[P W]

To Bill’s all silver idea: I’m going very, very black with mine.Originally I wanted all black everything, to make the silver pop and because I figured most people would do a silver-leaning build.But have had to make some concessions along the way, due to availability and deals too good to ignore.I’d post the photo I took of the build kit, but don’t want to ruin the reveal before the bike is even in hand!P. W.~(917) 514-2207~On Jun 24, 2024, at 7:34 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:I took the 3x1 inspiration to do a 3x1 Rivendell build on a Romulus.  I rode that bike up Mount Diablo this month and it's becoming a favorite bike in my large stable. Here's a photo of the bike at the summit:https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53778626719/in/album-72177720313832831/I feel like I'm exactly in between a 54.5 and a 58.  The 58 has the Reach, but very high Stack.  The 54.5 has a more reasonable Stack, but it's short on the Reach.  The build concept would influence the size.  I could run a 54.5 with drops and a long stem.  I could run a 58 with a low stem and low rise flat bars.  I confess that Will tempted me with the statement "at least one maniac will put a Regina 5-speed freewheel on theirs.  I am a big fan of multi-gear 120mm OLD builds, so now I feel like I've been challenged.  Ha ha.  I'll think on it some more when the product page comes out.  One of the visual concepts I've got bouncing in my head would be the silver color with absolutely every single thing on the build SILVER.  Light grey grips, tires, saddle.  100% silver components.  Not a single speck of black.  I think grey rubber tires would have tan sidewalls, so that would be the only other color.  That could look really good.  Bill LindsayEl Cerrito, CAOn Sunday, June 23, 2024 at 1:59:43 PM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:The Roaduno sale begins Thursday June 27th noon Pacific time. Who is planning to buy one? Will you buy a frameset to build up or a complete? Color preference?I'm curious as to the demand for this bike. It's not JUST a single speed which I think is cool. And, cool is good in my lingo. What do you all think of the stock components?Let's talk Roaduno!!Doug



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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno and the state of single speed bikes

[Bill Lindsay]

I'll definitely buy a Silver 3 road crank.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Saturday, March 2, 2024 at 7:10:49 AM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> A couple of interesting(?) Roaduno tidbits in yesterday’s blog. Sounds 
> like a distinct possibility that the complete will come with the new Silver 
> 3 crank. And the bit about the head badge goof has me planning to paint the 
> “window”, should I be lucky enough to get one. Not going to happen if I am 
> unable to sell my Ibis.:(
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 16, 2024, at 8:05 PM, Richard Rose  wrote:
>
> Per today’s e mail update - Roaduno completes due in May, not April. Not 
> sure if that includes the non completes.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 7, 2024, at 1:03 PM, Berkeleyan  wrote:
>
> 
> " I have a threaded through-axle with big heavy 17mm nuts, front and back. 
> And I carry a Park bottle opener with 17mm socket on the end to remove the 
> wheels."
>
> Er, make that 15mm... I was thinking of motorcycle parts at the same time.
>
> - Andrew
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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno and the state of single speed bikes

[Richard Rose]

A couple of interesting(?) Roaduno tidbits in yesterday’s blog. Sounds like a distinct possibility that the complete will come with the new Silver 3 crank. And the bit about the head badge goof has me planning to paint the “window”, should I be lucky enough to get one. Not going to happen if I am unable to sell my Ibis.:(Sent from my iPhoneOn Feb 16, 2024, at 8:05 PM, Richard Rose  wrote:Per today’s e mail update - Roaduno completes due in May, not April. Not sure if that includes the non completes.Sent from my iPhoneOn Feb 7, 2024, at 1:03 PM, Berkeleyan  wrote:"
I have a threaded through-axle with big heavy 17mm nuts, front and back.
 And I carry a Park bottle opener with 17mm socket on the end to remove 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno and the state of single speed bikes

[Richard Rose]

Per today’s e mail update - Roaduno completes due in May, not April. Not sure if that includes the non completes.Sent from my iPhoneOn Feb 7, 2024, at 1:03 PM, Berkeleyan  wrote:"
I have a threaded through-axle with big heavy 17mm nuts, front and back.
 And I carry a Park bottle opener with 17mm socket on the end to remove 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno and the state of single speed bikes

[Berkeleyan]

" I have a threaded through-axle with big heavy 17mm nuts, front and back. 
And I carry a Park bottle opener with 17mm socket on the end to remove the 
wheels."

Er, make that 15mm... I was thinking of motorcycle parts at the same time.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno and the state of single speed bikes

[Berkeleyan]

Patrick asks, "Andrew: Do you use a QR axle on your flip flop hub? I 
switched from 17 and 19 cogs on either side of my Phil to a 17/19 Dingle so 
that with the QR axle it's very, very easy and quick to change cogs."

I have a threaded through-axle with big heavy 17mm nuts, front and back. 
And I carry a Park bottle opener with 17mm socket on the end to remove the 
wheels. It works fine, I don't mind the extra effort. And yes, I enjoy the 
QB's up-angled rear forks (dropouts) which let me keep the brake pads 
"pretty much" aligned with the rim when I flip between 17 and 19, or flop 
over to the fixed 16. For a ride in the flats through traffic, I'm on the 
17. If heading up into the lowland hills, I stop and change to the 19. And 
stand on the pedals a lot, and even then sometimes get off and walk.

- Andrew, Berkeley

On Monday, February 5, 2024 at 6:54:43 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

Two teeth will require adjusting the axle-bb length. The Quickbeam and 
Roaduno have long track ends to hold the axle (or will the Roaduno have 
long forward-facing horizontals?).

With the chain adjusted for the bigger cog you might be able to ride, just, 
with the chain on the smaller cog, using a freewheel, but the chain will 
certainly be very loose. You would *not* want to do that with a 17/19 t 
Surly Dingle cog!

Andrew: Do you use a QR axle on your flip flop hub? I switched from 17 and 
19 cogs on either side of my Phil to a 17/19 Dingle so that with the QR 
axle it's very, very easy and quick to change cogs.

Patrick "76 inches and 68 inches on the same side" Moore [Sometimes I 
wonder if a 17/20 would not have been better: 64"; but then realize that 
for this bike the 76" cruising gear and a 68" headwind and long incline 
gear is just about perfect; *spot-on* perfect would be 76" / 66".]

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno and the state of single speed bikes

[Bill Lindsay]

" I like the idea of a front shifted 2x1 or 3x1 setup. If planning on such 
a setup I'd probably just get a Homer vs the Roaduno because I always end 
up wanting fenders on a bike like this and vertical dropouts make fenders 
so much easier. But I do see that the Roaduno with its 120mm rear spacing 
is a "more pure" implementation of the vision."

I agree with this.  Rather than a RoadUno, a RoadTrio could be a 3x1, with 
a 120mm OLD, vertical dropouts and a tensioner tab with no rear cable stops 
and a single DT shifter boss for a front derailleur.  The RoadUno as 
designed gives some additional flexibility for a pure single speed setup, 
or an NxN single chain length setup, but with vertical dropouts would have 
been super interesting.  

There is at least one really good way to run fenders on horizontal 
dropouts, and that one way I'm thinking about is a rear hub with an allen 
bolt configuration that allows you to remove the bolts entirely and drop 
the wheel straight down.  The Surly hub has axle stubs, so doesn't support 
this method.  The Phil hub does allow a straight-drop wheel removal.  If I 
was setting up a RoadUno, I think that's what I'd do.  I'd run a Phil rear 
hub, slammed forward like Will's email photo, with a triple crank, single 
freewheel, and fenders.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Monday, February 5, 2024 at 11:01:59 AM UTC-8 DavidP wrote:

> A recent Riv newsletter compared the 3x1 to an IGH, saying the 3x1 setup 
> is similar but more mechanically transparent.
>
> If you could setup a rear shifted 1x2 or 1x3 with 8-10t jumps between cogs 
> that might be an interesting comparison. (The largest jump on a megarange 
> freewheel is in this range.)
>
> A question I keep coming back to is whether a 3x1 is more "efficient" than 
> a 1x7/8/9 in terms of drivetrain complexity (mechanically and/or mentally).
>
> Still, I like the idea of a front shifted 2x1 or 3x1 setup. If planning on 
> such a setup I'd probably just get a Homer vs the Roaduno because I always 
> end up wanting fenders on a bike like this and vertical dropouts make 
> fenders so much easier. But I do see that the Roaduno with its 120mm rear 
> spacing is a "more pure" implementation of the vision.
>
> -Dave
>
> On Monday, February 5, 2024 at 12:55:20 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> I've always wondered what advantages a 2X1 has over a 1X2 if you are 
>> going to use derailleurs -- the 2X1 requires a FD and something like a RD 
>> while the 1X2 requires only the rear one -- but for ss sans derailleur some 
>> people say that front shifting is easier than rear shifting. Not for me, 
>> though.
>>
>> Am eagerly awaiting the close ratio Silver Rivendell IGH (with 
>> proprietary wingnuts).
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 10:51 AM Mathias Steiner  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Bill said
>>> >> I think the 2x1 or 3x1 concept around the Roaduno is brilliant. 
>>>
>>> ... A 2x1 would give me all the complexities of a rear derailleur, plus 
>>> the poorer shifting of a front system.
>>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno and the state of single speed bikes

[Patrick Moore]

But, more to the point, this discussion has clarified why someone might
choose a 2X1 or 3X1.

On Tue, Feb 6, 2024 at 9:53 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> All speculative, but speculation precedes action. Probably not my action,
> but who knows where this might lead?
>
> On Tue, Feb 6, 2024 at 8:56 AM Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
>> " That leaves the question how to arrange a 2-speed, 18-26 t cogset"  So
>> when I asked if this 1x2 bicycle existed only in your imagination, it
>> sounds like the answer is "Yes"
>>
>> " 3 speed freewheels are still available [inserts Amazon link]"  Note
>> that those are definitely of the ultra-cheap and presumably crap variety
>> -AND- don't have any interface for a removal tool.  If you ever want to
>> remove it, take off the bearing cover with your pin spanner, disassemble
>> the whole thing, and grab the guts in your bench vise.  Throw it all into
>> metal recycling and install a new one.
>>
>> "The old, pre-indexing Shimano long cage rd shifted the 8 t gap fine."
>> but note, that in that particular use case, your 8 tooth gap was all the
>> way at the inner swing of a rear derailleur, where the pulleys are already
>> farthest away from the cogset.  If you were to set up this hypothetical 18
>> and 26 right in the middle of the cassette for proper chain line, the
>> headroom relative to the pulleys will be necessarily reduced and possibly
>> too small to function.  This was another reason why I asked whether this
>> 1x2 machine actually exists.
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, February 6, 2024 at 7:41:36 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Good point about very large gear gaps, and true that my riding does not
>>> generally involve very steep and very long climbs and that I generally
>>> prefer to torque than to spin.
>>>
>>> We all know that front derailleurs are capable of shifting 12-16 tooth
>>> gaps, my DA 7402 (?) fd shifts between the 44 and 28 just fine. Front
>>> shifts are slow compared to rear shifts but they're relatively foolproof,
>>> at least with friction shifting and with a properly set up fd.
>>>
>>> If you want a ~70" gear with a ~50" gear you could have a 48/34 double
>>> with an 18 t cog and get 72" and 51". (27" wheel.)
>>>
>>> Rear derailleurs will shift an 8t gap just fine; long ago I had a
>>> semi-half-step drivetrain, half-stepping the middle 5 cogs of a
>>> 13-15-17-19-21-24-32 7 sp cogset with the 13 used only with the big ring
>>> for downhills and the 32 with the smaller ring for steep climbs. The old,
>>> pre-indexing Shimano long cage rd shifted the 8 t gap fine.
>>>
>>> So, to get the same 72" and 54" gears with a 1X2 you could use that 48
>>> with an 18 t and a 26 t and get 72" and 50".
>>>
>>> That leaves the question how to arrange a 2-speed, 18-26 t cogset.
>>> Cassette hub with spacers is one option, but I've been told that some
>>> 1-speed BMX freehubs can accept 2 cogs. And 3 speed freewheels are still
>>> available:
>>>
>>> https://www.amazon.com/3-Speed-16-19-22T-Thread-Freewheel/dp/B01M8GJV4O
>>>
>>> I wonder if you could find one or modify one to get an 8 t gap?
>>>
>>> Me, give me a SA TF hub, rarer than hen's teeth, which could give me 72"
>>> and 54" (71.5 and 53.6) with direct and 75% underdrive.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 3:14 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>>
 Patrick Moore claims to have "always" wondered:  "I've always wondered
 what advantages a 2X1 has over a 1X2 if you are going to use derailleurs"

 Can you be more specific about this 1x2 with a rear derailleur that you
 are comparing?  Is this a bike you have?  Have had earlier?  Saw in
 person?  Or are these 1x2 and 2x1 machines just imaginary build concepts?

 Anyway, in my opinion, I think 2x1 would be a lousy choice for Patrick
 Moore.  A Patrick Moore 2-speed is a bike that has two gears that are
 practically the same.  Like a 74 and a 66 or something like that.
 Achieving two gears that are basically the same would be easy with a two
 speed freewheel and a rear derailleur.  A Patrick Moore 2 speed is for 12
 mile grocery runs or chasing down young 'uns on the MUP, or grunting up the
 tramway hill at 30RPM in with a devout and severe mindset of
 self-flagellation.

 The place where a 2x1 gets more interesting, in my opinion, is when you
 want two gears that are not right on top of each other.  For example, a 70+
 inch gear for the flats and a <50 inch gear for actual climbing (or even
 <40).  There's no 2-speed freewheel off the shelf that has like an 18 and a
 26T cog.  Even if you built something, or cobbled something on a cassette
 body, getting a rear derailleur to shift that would be tough.  A Patrick
 Moore two speed in the front would look like a half-step.  Like maybe a 18T
 cog with a 48 and a 45T ring, plus a tensioner.

 Note that NONE of the Riv staff 2x1 or 3x1 builds has the ultra narrow
 spread of a Patrick Mo

Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno and the state of single speed bikes

[Patrick Moore]

All speculative, but speculation precedes action. Probably not my action,
but who knows where this might lead?

On Tue, Feb 6, 2024 at 8:56 AM Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> " That leaves the question how to arrange a 2-speed, 18-26 t cogset"  So
> when I asked if this 1x2 bicycle existed only in your imagination, it
> sounds like the answer is "Yes"
>
> " 3 speed freewheels are still available [inserts Amazon link]"  Note that
> those are definitely of the ultra-cheap and presumably crap variety -AND-
> don't have any interface for a removal tool.  If you ever want to remove
> it, take off the bearing cover with your pin spanner, disassemble the whole
> thing, and grab the guts in your bench vise.  Throw it all into metal
> recycling and install a new one.
>
> "The old, pre-indexing Shimano long cage rd shifted the 8 t gap fine."
> but note, that in that particular use case, your 8 tooth gap was all the
> way at the inner swing of a rear derailleur, where the pulleys are already
> farthest away from the cogset.  If you were to set up this hypothetical 18
> and 26 right in the middle of the cassette for proper chain line, the
> headroom relative to the pulleys will be necessarily reduced and possibly
> too small to function.  This was another reason why I asked whether this
> 1x2 machine actually exists.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
>
> On Tuesday, February 6, 2024 at 7:41:36 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Good point about very large gear gaps, and true that my riding does not
>> generally involve very steep and very long climbs and that I generally
>> prefer to torque than to spin.
>>
>> We all know that front derailleurs are capable of shifting 12-16 tooth
>> gaps, my DA 7402 (?) fd shifts between the 44 and 28 just fine. Front
>> shifts are slow compared to rear shifts but they're relatively foolproof,
>> at least with friction shifting and with a properly set up fd.
>>
>> If you want a ~70" gear with a ~50" gear you could have a 48/34 double
>> with an 18 t cog and get 72" and 51". (27" wheel.)
>>
>> Rear derailleurs will shift an 8t gap just fine; long ago I had a
>> semi-half-step drivetrain, half-stepping the middle 5 cogs of a
>> 13-15-17-19-21-24-32 7 sp cogset with the 13 used only with the big ring
>> for downhills and the 32 with the smaller ring for steep climbs. The old,
>> pre-indexing Shimano long cage rd shifted the 8 t gap fine.
>>
>> So, to get the same 72" and 54" gears with a 1X2 you could use that 48
>> with an 18 t and a 26 t and get 72" and 50".
>>
>> That leaves the question how to arrange a 2-speed, 18-26 t cogset.
>> Cassette hub with spacers is one option, but I've been told that some
>> 1-speed BMX freehubs can accept 2 cogs. And 3 speed freewheels are still
>> available:
>>
>> https://www.amazon.com/3-Speed-16-19-22T-Thread-Freewheel/dp/B01M8GJV4O
>>
>> I wonder if you could find one or modify one to get an 8 t gap?
>>
>> Me, give me a SA TF hub, rarer than hen's teeth, which could give me 72"
>> and 54" (71.5 and 53.6) with direct and 75% underdrive.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 3:14 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>
>>> Patrick Moore claims to have "always" wondered:  "I've always wondered
>>> what advantages a 2X1 has over a 1X2 if you are going to use derailleurs"
>>>
>>> Can you be more specific about this 1x2 with a rear derailleur that you
>>> are comparing?  Is this a bike you have?  Have had earlier?  Saw in
>>> person?  Or are these 1x2 and 2x1 machines just imaginary build concepts?
>>>
>>> Anyway, in my opinion, I think 2x1 would be a lousy choice for Patrick
>>> Moore.  A Patrick Moore 2-speed is a bike that has two gears that are
>>> practically the same.  Like a 74 and a 66 or something like that.
>>> Achieving two gears that are basically the same would be easy with a two
>>> speed freewheel and a rear derailleur.  A Patrick Moore 2 speed is for 12
>>> mile grocery runs or chasing down young 'uns on the MUP, or grunting up the
>>> tramway hill at 30RPM in with a devout and severe mindset of
>>> self-flagellation.
>>>
>>> The place where a 2x1 gets more interesting, in my opinion, is when you
>>> want two gears that are not right on top of each other.  For example, a 70+
>>> inch gear for the flats and a <50 inch gear for actual climbing (or even
>>> <40).  There's no 2-speed freewheel off the shelf that has like an 18 and a
>>> 26T cog.  Even if you built something, or cobbled something on a cassette
>>> body, getting a rear derailleur to shift that would be tough.  A Patrick
>>> Moore two speed in the front would look like a half-step.  Like maybe a 18T
>>> cog with a 48 and a 45T ring, plus a tensioner.
>>>
>>> Note that NONE of the Riv staff 2x1 or 3x1 builds has the ultra narrow
>>> spread of a Patrick Moore bike.  It reminds me of how I would give a
>>> 60-second crash course on shifting at the bike shop when every single bike
>>> was a 3x7 mountain bike:  I would tell them that the terrain should make it
>>> obvious which chainring you are in:  M

Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno and the state of single speed bikes

[Bill Lindsay]

just as an aside to your aside, I recently did some hobbyist lathe work for 
our friend Joe Bunik, who intends to build a two-speed single-speed 
mountain bike.  He had me modify a vintage crankset to yield a single 
52-tooth aluminum chainring that can bolt to the Problem Solvers system of 
cassette spacers.  I forget what his "other" cog size is going to be, but I 
think it may be a mirror, like 52/32 chainrings and 32/52 cogs, so he'll 
have a 52x32 high gear and a 32x52 low gear.  I hope that doesn't spoil his 
reveal.  

BL in EC

On Tuesday, February 6, 2024 at 7:50:54 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Just an aside, but I stumbled across this: a commercially available, 
> modifed single speed fw with *38 teeth. *Also available in a still 
> excessive (for a 1-sp fw) 28 t.
>
>
>
> [image: image.png]
>
> [image: image.png]
>
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/256341921520?_trkparms=amclksrc%3DITM%26aid%3D1110006%26algo%3DHOMESPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D260344%26meid%3Dbe2f385cd1214fbd8f755967177959e8%26pid%3D101875%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D4%26sd%3D296157601832%26itm%3D256341921520%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D0%26pg%3D4429486%26algv%3DSimplAMLv11WebTrimmedV3MskuWithLambda85KnnRecallV1V2V4ItemNrtInQueryAndCassiniVisualRankerAndBertRecallWithVMEV3CPCAuto%26brand%3DUnbranded%252FGeneric&_trksid=p4429486.c101875.m1851&amdata=cksum%3A256341921520be2f385cd1214fbd8f755967177959e8%7Cenc%3AAQAIAAABYObhgc4Nk8%252BdtAwOww4FKLaj%252FQ5qqgDlQCuqZA43WcPFUWDERCUugbbOk7XQv0JXlBfqCg2xKF3WcPghxGMFw2oSlXvfExEaMYr7I7LmrHcP6czY1wIMt0ORyKiCWt95xldincyyBx3g%252BNDW%252B%252FhWUgTaBhK6xAm%252BJIbCOMehu%252BdwuOL9CsgIEdzXJ0407A2KnoQkkxd%252BfE557YZZlNfUYNlNqNAlRc%252FdNRI3MNqF8aELEQJMq%252BnvNt9O1Xa1UKu3RW0CkDa8JQvlXUNZSbLFWuVAeRyYpYRuNbHTVOX6C9zMdNw6RQjeBLo6WJYI3vLjOc%252Ff1jf6B5K3Ncu5DJZnB91jBcLNgLAflW%252Fe7MX6W5n223mlwXEfvtNU4vcjUipmdXEPZsMQ7nnQkiWJFyNmhZiuExvmkowHn0qDXR8G%252FVIXhP%252BoOrfOeIndzkLDZFUbcJ%252Bv8VsYXRbftGaKsqygNRw%253D%7Campid%3APL_CLK%7Cclp%3A4429486
>
> On Tue, Feb 6, 2024 at 8:41 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> Good point about very large gear gaps, and true that my riding does not 
>> generally involve very steep and very long climbs and that I generally 
>> prefer to torque than to spin.
>>
>> We all know that front derailleurs are capable of shifting 12-16 tooth 
>> gaps, my DA 7402 (?) fd shifts between the 44 and 28 just fine. Front 
>> shifts are slow compared to rear shifts but they're relatively foolproof, 
>> at least with friction shifting and with a properly set up fd.
>>
>> If you want a ~70" gear with a ~50" gear you could have a 48/34 double 
>> with an 18 t cog and get 72" and 51". (27" wheel.)
>>
>> Rear derailleurs will shift an 8t gap just fine; long ago I had a 
>> semi-half-step drivetrain, half-stepping the middle 5 cogs of a 
>> 13-15-17-19-21-24-32 7 sp cogset with the 13 used only with the big ring 
>> for downhills and the 32 with the smaller ring for steep climbs. The old, 
>> pre-indexing Shimano long cage rd shifted the 8 t gap fine.
>>
>> So, to get the same 72" and 54" gears with a 1X2 you could use that 48 
>> with an 18 t and a 26 t and get 72" and 50".
>>
>> That leaves the question how to arrange a 2-speed, 18-26 t cogset. 
>> Cassette hub with spacers is one option, but I've been told that some 
>> 1-speed BMX freehubs can accept 2 cogs. And 3 speed freewheels are still 
>> available:
>>
>> https://www.amazon.com/3-Speed-16-19-22T-Thread-Freewheel/dp/B01M8GJV4O
>>
>> I wonder if you could find one or modify one to get an 8 t gap?
>>
>> Me, give me a SA TF hub, rarer than hen's teeth, which could give me 72" 
>> and 54" (71.5 and 53.6) with direct and 75% underdrive.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 3:14 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>
>>> Patrick Moore claims to have "always" wondered:  "I've always wondered 
>>> what advantages a 2X1 has over a 1X2 if you are going to use derailleurs"
>>>
>>> Can you be more specific about this 1x2 with a rear derailleur that you 
>>> are comparing?  Is this a bike you have?  Have had earlier?  Saw in 
>>> person?  Or are these 1x2 and 2x1 machines just imaginary build concepts?  
>>>
>>> Anyway, in my opinion, I think 2x1 would be a lousy choice for Patrick 
>>> Moore.  A Patrick Moore 2-speed is a bike that has two gears that are 
>>> practically the same.  Like a 74 and a 66 or something like that.  
>>> Achieving two gears that are basically the same would be easy with a two 
>>> speed freewheel and a rear derailleur.  A Patrick Moore 2 speed is for 12 
>>> mile grocery runs or chasing down young 'uns on the MUP, or grunting up the 
>>> tramway hill at 30RPM in with a devout and severe mindset of 
>>> self-flagellation.  
>>>
>>> The place where a 2x1 gets more interesting, in my opinion, is when you 
>>> want two gears that are not right on top of each other.  For example, a 70+ 
>>> inch gear for the flats and a <50 inch gear for actual climbing (or even 
>>> <40).  There's no 2-speed freewheel off the shelf that has like an 18 and a 
>>> 26T cog.  Ev

Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno and the state of single speed bikes

[Bill Lindsay]

" That leaves the question how to arrange a 2-speed, 18-26 t cogset"  So 
when I asked if this 1x2 bicycle existed only in your imagination, it 
sounds like the answer is "Yes"

" 3 speed freewheels are still available [inserts Amazon link]"  Note that 
those are definitely of the ultra-cheap and presumably crap variety -AND- 
don't have any interface for a removal tool.  If you ever want to remove 
it, take off the bearing cover with your pin spanner, disassemble the whole 
thing, and grab the guts in your bench vise.  Throw it all into metal 
recycling and install a new one.  

"The old, pre-indexing Shimano long cage rd shifted the 8 t gap fine."  but 
note, that in that particular use case, your 8 tooth gap was all the way at 
the inner swing of a rear derailleur, where the pulleys are already 
farthest away from the cogset.  If you were to set up this hypothetical 18 
and 26 right in the middle of the cassette for proper chain line, the 
headroom relative to the pulleys will be necessarily reduced and possibly 
too small to function.  This was another reason why I asked whether this 
1x2 machine actually exists.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA


On Tuesday, February 6, 2024 at 7:41:36 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Good point about very large gear gaps, and true that my riding does not 
> generally involve very steep and very long climbs and that I generally 
> prefer to torque than to spin.
>
> We all know that front derailleurs are capable of shifting 12-16 tooth 
> gaps, my DA 7402 (?) fd shifts between the 44 and 28 just fine. Front 
> shifts are slow compared to rear shifts but they're relatively foolproof, 
> at least with friction shifting and with a properly set up fd.
>
> If you want a ~70" gear with a ~50" gear you could have a 48/34 double 
> with an 18 t cog and get 72" and 51". (27" wheel.)
>
> Rear derailleurs will shift an 8t gap just fine; long ago I had a 
> semi-half-step drivetrain, half-stepping the middle 5 cogs of a 
> 13-15-17-19-21-24-32 7 sp cogset with the 13 used only with the big ring 
> for downhills and the 32 with the smaller ring for steep climbs. The old, 
> pre-indexing Shimano long cage rd shifted the 8 t gap fine.
>
> So, to get the same 72" and 54" gears with a 1X2 you could use that 48 
> with an 18 t and a 26 t and get 72" and 50".
>
> That leaves the question how to arrange a 2-speed, 18-26 t cogset. 
> Cassette hub with spacers is one option, but I've been told that some 
> 1-speed BMX freehubs can accept 2 cogs. And 3 speed freewheels are still 
> available:
>
> https://www.amazon.com/3-Speed-16-19-22T-Thread-Freewheel/dp/B01M8GJV4O
>
> I wonder if you could find one or modify one to get an 8 t gap?
>
> Me, give me a SA TF hub, rarer than hen's teeth, which could give me 72" 
> and 54" (71.5 and 53.6) with direct and 75% underdrive.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 3:14 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
>> Patrick Moore claims to have "always" wondered:  "I've always wondered 
>> what advantages a 2X1 has over a 1X2 if you are going to use derailleurs"
>>
>> Can you be more specific about this 1x2 with a rear derailleur that you 
>> are comparing?  Is this a bike you have?  Have had earlier?  Saw in 
>> person?  Or are these 1x2 and 2x1 machines just imaginary build concepts?  
>>
>> Anyway, in my opinion, I think 2x1 would be a lousy choice for Patrick 
>> Moore.  A Patrick Moore 2-speed is a bike that has two gears that are 
>> practically the same.  Like a 74 and a 66 or something like that.  
>> Achieving two gears that are basically the same would be easy with a two 
>> speed freewheel and a rear derailleur.  A Patrick Moore 2 speed is for 12 
>> mile grocery runs or chasing down young 'uns on the MUP, or grunting up the 
>> tramway hill at 30RPM in with a devout and severe mindset of 
>> self-flagellation.  
>>
>> The place where a 2x1 gets more interesting, in my opinion, is when you 
>> want two gears that are not right on top of each other.  For example, a 70+ 
>> inch gear for the flats and a <50 inch gear for actual climbing (or even 
>> <40).  There's no 2-speed freewheel off the shelf that has like an 18 and a 
>> 26T cog.  Even if you built something, or cobbled something on a cassette 
>> body, getting a rear derailleur to shift that would be tough.  A Patrick 
>> Moore two speed in the front would look like a half-step.  Like maybe a 18T 
>> cog with a 48 and a 45T ring, plus a tensioner.  
>>
>> Note that NONE of the Riv staff 2x1 or 3x1 builds has the ultra narrow 
>> spread of a Patrick Moore bike.  It reminds me of how I would give a 
>> 60-second crash course on shifting at the bike shop when every single bike 
>> was a 3x7 mountain bike:  I would tell them that the terrain should make it 
>> obvious which chainring you are in:  Middle ring for just noodling around.  
>> Big ring for going fast after you have a good head of steam.  Granny ring 
>> for going up a steep hill.  After that obvious choice, then shift the rear 
>> on feel.  Little ea

Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno and the state of single speed bikes

[Patrick Moore]

On Tue, Feb 6, 2024 at 8:41 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Good point about very large gear gaps, and true that my riding does not
> generally involve very steep and very long climbs and that I generally
> prefer to torque than to spin.
>
> We all know that front derailleurs are capable of shifting 12-16 tooth
> gaps, my DA 7402 (?) fd shifts between the 44 and 28 just fine. Front
> shifts are slow compared to rear shifts but they're relatively foolproof,
> at least with friction shifting and with a properly set up fd.
>
> If you want a ~70" gear with a ~50" gear you could have a 48/34 double
> with an 18 t cog and get 72" and 51". (27" wheel.)
>
> Rear derailleurs will shift an 8t gap just fine; long ago I had a
> semi-half-step drivetrain, half-stepping the middle 5 cogs of a
> 13-15-17-19-21-24-32 7 sp cogset with the 13 used only with the big ring
> for downhills and the 32 with the smaller ring for steep climbs. The old,
> pre-indexing Shimano long cage rd shifted the 8 t gap fine.
>
> So, to get the same 72" and 54" gears with a 1X2 you could use that 48
> with an 18 t and a 26 t and get 72" and 50".
>
> That leaves the question how to arrange a 2-speed, 18-26 t cogset.
> Cassette hub with spacers is one option, but I've been told that some
> 1-speed BMX freehubs can accept 2 cogs. And 3 speed freewheels are still
> available:
>
> https://www.amazon.com/3-Speed-16-19-22T-Thread-Freewheel/dp/B01M8GJV4O
>
> I wonder if you could find one or modify one to get an 8 t gap?
>
> Me, give me a SA TF hub, rarer than hen's teeth, which could give me 72"
> and 54" (71.5 and 53.6) with direct and 75% underdrive.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 3:14 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
>> Patrick Moore claims to have "always" wondered:  "I've always wondered
>> what advantages a 2X1 has over a 1X2 if you are going to use derailleurs"
>>
>> Can you be more specific about this 1x2 with a rear derailleur that you
>> are comparing?  Is this a bike you have?  Have had earlier?  Saw in
>> person?  Or are these 1x2 and 2x1 machines just imaginary build concepts?
>>
>> Anyway, in my opinion, I think 2x1 would be a lousy choice for Patrick
>> Moore.  A Patrick Moore 2-speed is a bike that has two gears that are
>> practically the same.  Like a 74 and a 66 or something like that.
>> Achieving two gears that are basically the same would be easy with a two
>> speed freewheel and a rear derailleur.  A Patrick Moore 2 speed is for 12
>> mile grocery runs or chasing down young 'uns on the MUP, or grunting up the
>> tramway hill at 30RPM in with a devout and severe mindset of
>> self-flagellation.
>>
>> The place where a 2x1 gets more interesting, in my opinion, is when you
>> want two gears that are not right on top of each other.  For example, a 70+
>> inch gear for the flats and a <50 inch gear for actual climbing (or even
>> <40).  There's no 2-speed freewheel off the shelf that has like an 18 and a
>> 26T cog.  Even if you built something, or cobbled something on a cassette
>> body, getting a rear derailleur to shift that would be tough.  A Patrick
>> Moore two speed in the front would look like a half-step.  Like maybe a 18T
>> cog with a 48 and a 45T ring, plus a tensioner.
>>
>> Note that NONE of the Riv staff 2x1 or 3x1 builds has the ultra narrow
>> spread of a Patrick Moore bike.  It reminds me of how I would give a
>> 60-second crash course on shifting at the bike shop when every single bike
>> was a 3x7 mountain bike:  I would tell them that the terrain should make it
>> obvious which chainring you are in:  Middle ring for just noodling around.
>> Big ring for going fast after you have a good head of steam.  Granny ring
>> for going up a steep hill.  After that obvious choice, then shift the rear
>> on feel.  Little easier this way, little harder that way.  A 3x1 is exactly
>> the same, in my view, with no rear derailleur.
>>
>> So, in short, the thing that you've "always wondered" is that a 2x1 or
>> 3x1 has no advantages for the very narrow build type that you tend to
>> feature.  You've got your Patrick Moore build envelope all figured out.
>> That's my opinion anyway.  I'm looking forward to putting my new-to-me 3x1
>> Rivendell through its paces, starting maybe in March.  I have some
>> self-flagellation of my own to get done before that.
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Monday, February 5, 2024 at 9:55:20 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> I've always wondered what advantages a 2X1 has over a 1X2 if you are
>>> going to use derailleurs -- the 2X1 requires a FD and something like a RD
>>> while the 1X2 requires only the rear one -- but for ss sans derailleur some
>>> people say that front shifting is easier than rear shifting. Not for me,
>>> though.
>>>
>>> Am eagerly awaiting the close ratio Silver Rivendell IGH (with
>>> proprietary wingnuts).
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 10:51 AM Mathias Steiner 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Bill said
 >> I think the 2x1 or 3x1 concept around the Roaduno is brilliant.

Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno and the state of single speed bikes

[Patrick Moore]

Good point about very large gear gaps, and true that my riding does not
generally involve very steep and very long climbs and that I generally
prefer to torque than to spin.

We all know that front derailleurs are capable of shifting 12-16 tooth
gaps, my DA 7402 (?) fd shifts between the 44 and 28 just fine. Front
shifts are slow compared to rear shifts but they're relatively foolproof,
at least with friction shifting and with a properly set up fd.

If you want a ~70" gear with a ~50" gear you could have a 48/34 double with
an 18 t cog and get 72" and 51". (27" wheel.)

Rear derailleurs will shift an 8t gap just fine; long ago I had a
semi-half-step drivetrain, half-stepping the middle 5 cogs of a
13-15-17-19-21-24-32 7 sp cogset with the 13 used only with the big ring
for downhills and the 32 with the smaller ring for steep climbs. The old,
pre-indexing Shimano long cage rd shifted the 8 t gap fine.

So, to get the same 72" and 54" gears with a 1X2 you could use that 48 with
an 18 t and a 26 t and get 72" and 50".

That leaves the question how to arrange a 2-speed, 18-26 t cogset. Cassette
hub with spacers is one option, but I've been told that some 1-speed BMX
freehubs can accept 2 cogs. And 3 speed freewheels are still available:

https://www.amazon.com/3-Speed-16-19-22T-Thread-Freewheel/dp/B01M8GJV4O

I wonder if you could find one or modify one to get an 8 t gap?

Me, give me a SA TF hub, rarer than hen's teeth, which could give me 72"
and 54" (71.5 and 53.6) with direct and 75% underdrive.





On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 3:14 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> Patrick Moore claims to have "always" wondered:  "I've always wondered
> what advantages a 2X1 has over a 1X2 if you are going to use derailleurs"
>
> Can you be more specific about this 1x2 with a rear derailleur that you
> are comparing?  Is this a bike you have?  Have had earlier?  Saw in
> person?  Or are these 1x2 and 2x1 machines just imaginary build concepts?
>
> Anyway, in my opinion, I think 2x1 would be a lousy choice for Patrick
> Moore.  A Patrick Moore 2-speed is a bike that has two gears that are
> practically the same.  Like a 74 and a 66 or something like that.
> Achieving two gears that are basically the same would be easy with a two
> speed freewheel and a rear derailleur.  A Patrick Moore 2 speed is for 12
> mile grocery runs or chasing down young 'uns on the MUP, or grunting up the
> tramway hill at 30RPM in with a devout and severe mindset of
> self-flagellation.
>
> The place where a 2x1 gets more interesting, in my opinion, is when you
> want two gears that are not right on top of each other.  For example, a 70+
> inch gear for the flats and a <50 inch gear for actual climbing (or even
> <40).  There's no 2-speed freewheel off the shelf that has like an 18 and a
> 26T cog.  Even if you built something, or cobbled something on a cassette
> body, getting a rear derailleur to shift that would be tough.  A Patrick
> Moore two speed in the front would look like a half-step.  Like maybe a 18T
> cog with a 48 and a 45T ring, plus a tensioner.
>
> Note that NONE of the Riv staff 2x1 or 3x1 builds has the ultra narrow
> spread of a Patrick Moore bike.  It reminds me of how I would give a
> 60-second crash course on shifting at the bike shop when every single bike
> was a 3x7 mountain bike:  I would tell them that the terrain should make it
> obvious which chainring you are in:  Middle ring for just noodling around.
> Big ring for going fast after you have a good head of steam.  Granny ring
> for going up a steep hill.  After that obvious choice, then shift the rear
> on feel.  Little easier this way, little harder that way.  A 3x1 is exactly
> the same, in my view, with no rear derailleur.
>
> So, in short, the thing that you've "always wondered" is that a 2x1 or 3x1
> has no advantages for the very narrow build type that you tend to feature.
> You've got your Patrick Moore build envelope all figured out.  That's my
> opinion anyway.  I'm looking forward to putting my new-to-me 3x1 Rivendell
> through its paces, starting maybe in March.  I have some self-flagellation
> of my own to get done before that.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Monday, February 5, 2024 at 9:55:20 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> I've always wondered what advantages a 2X1 has over a 1X2 if you are
>> going to use derailleurs -- the 2X1 requires a FD and something like a RD
>> while the 1X2 requires only the rear one -- but for ss sans derailleur some
>> people say that front shifting is easier than rear shifting. Not for me,
>> though.
>>
>> Am eagerly awaiting the close ratio Silver Rivendell IGH (with
>> proprietary wingnuts).
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 10:51 AM Mathias Steiner 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Bill said
>>> >> I think the 2x1 or 3x1 concept around the Roaduno is brilliant.
>>>
>>> ... A 2x1 would give me all the complexities of a rear derailleur, plus
>>> the poorer shifting of a front system.
>>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno and the state of single speed bikes

[Bill Lindsay]

Patrick Moore claims to have "always" wondered:  "I've always wondered what 
advantages a 2X1 has over a 1X2 if you are going to use derailleurs"

Can you be more specific about this 1x2 with a rear derailleur that you are 
comparing?  Is this a bike you have?  Have had earlier?  Saw in person?  Or 
are these 1x2 and 2x1 machines just imaginary build concepts?  

Anyway, in my opinion, I think 2x1 would be a lousy choice for Patrick 
Moore.  A Patrick Moore 2-speed is a bike that has two gears that are 
practically the same.  Like a 74 and a 66 or something like that. 
 Achieving two gears that are basically the same would be easy with a two 
speed freewheel and a rear derailleur.  A Patrick Moore 2 speed is for 12 
mile grocery runs or chasing down young 'uns on the MUP, or grunting up the 
tramway hill at 30RPM in with a devout and severe mindset of 
self-flagellation.  

The place where a 2x1 gets more interesting, in my opinion, is when you 
want two gears that are not right on top of each other.  For example, a 70+ 
inch gear for the flats and a <50 inch gear for actual climbing (or even 
<40).  There's no 2-speed freewheel off the shelf that has like an 18 and a 
26T cog.  Even if you built something, or cobbled something on a cassette 
body, getting a rear derailleur to shift that would be tough.  A Patrick 
Moore two speed in the front would look like a half-step.  Like maybe a 18T 
cog with a 48 and a 45T ring, plus a tensioner.  

Note that NONE of the Riv staff 2x1 or 3x1 builds has the ultra narrow 
spread of a Patrick Moore bike.  It reminds me of how I would give a 
60-second crash course on shifting at the bike shop when every single bike 
was a 3x7 mountain bike:  I would tell them that the terrain should make it 
obvious which chainring you are in:  Middle ring for just noodling around. 
 Big ring for going fast after you have a good head of steam.  Granny ring 
for going up a steep hill.  After that obvious choice, then shift the rear 
on feel.  Little easier this way, little harder that way.  A 3x1 is exactly 
the same, in my view, with no rear derailleur.  

So, in short, the thing that you've "always wondered" is that a 2x1 or 3x1 
has no advantages for the very narrow build type that you tend to feature. 
 You've got your Patrick Moore build envelope all figured out.  That's my 
opinion anyway.  I'm looking forward to putting my new-to-me 3x1 Rivendell 
through its paces, starting maybe in March.  I have some self-flagellation 
of my own to get done before that.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Monday, February 5, 2024 at 9:55:20 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I've always wondered what advantages a 2X1 has over a 1X2 if you are going 
> to use derailleurs -- the 2X1 requires a FD and something like a RD while 
> the 1X2 requires only the rear one -- but for ss sans derailleur some 
> people say that front shifting is easier than rear shifting. Not for me, 
> though.
>
> Am eagerly awaiting the close ratio Silver Rivendell IGH (with proprietary 
> wingnuts).
>
> On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 10:51 AM Mathias Steiner  
> wrote:
>
>> Bill said
>> >> I think the 2x1 or 3x1 concept around the Roaduno is brilliant. 
>>
>> ... A 2x1 would give me all the complexities of a rear derailleur, plus 
>> the poorer shifting of a front system.
>>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno and the state of single speed bikes

[Benjamin L. Kelley]

Yes&No
While I don't believe the Surly Ultra New hubs lack of a quoted weight
limit means they are unlimited, I do believe it implies that any reasonable
weights are not a problem.
Whereas the Phil ones have a limit specified.

If a company tells me there is a weight limit, I'm inclined to agree/obey
as that probably exists for a reason.
If a company specifies no weight limit, I'm inclined to think there is a
weight limit, but it's probably not an issue for most use cases.
Especially Surly products that I feel probably get a lot more abuse than
some other companies products.

As a rider that is beyond the combined weight limit of the Phil hubs, I
won't buy them any time soon and will stick with the Surly's.
I should keep an eye on the Phil ones tho as I believe the weight limit use
to be 250lbs and has changed, and possibility in the future could go up I
hope.

I was curious what something like the Surly Big Dummy used for hubs, since
they have a combined bike/cargo/rider rating of 400+lbs.
But it doesn't appear Surly is using Surly hubs on any of their complete
bikes anymore.  I assume this is a WTB assimilation/price/brand degradation
issue.

--ben in KC



On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 11:12 AM Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> Do you interpret the absence of a weight rating on the Surly Ultra New to
> mean it's unlimited, and therefore stronger/more reliable than the Phil?
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Monday, February 5, 2024 at 8:18:47 AM UTC-8 Benjamin Kelley wrote:
>
>> One big difference(at least for me) other than the price between the Phil
>> and the Surly Ultra New Hubs, is the loaded bike+rider weight rating.
>> Phil says 280lb/127kg for their Classic.
>> Surly unspecified weight on all their hubs.
>>
>> I personally prefer the fixing bolt to the QR. Less stuff for people to
>> fiddle with on your bike when its locked up.
>> I've replaced pretty much ever QR skewer with a bolt skewer anyways, and
>> I really appreciate the Surly's being threaded for bolts.
>>
>> --ben in KC
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 9:01 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>>> Per their site (https://surlybikes.com/parts/ultra_new_hubs) Surly
>>> offers their "Ultra New Hub" in 135 mm OL in both rim brake and disc rotor
>>> models, and in 120 mm and 130 mm in a rim brake model.
>>>
>>> I expect that this hub is very like their earlier one -- I bought a
>>> couple, the first 18 years ago and used them well -- and they are very nice
>>> hubs; practically speaking they work as well and last as long as but cost
>>> far less than my Phils.
>>>
>>> Apparently the shells are the same, and here's the difference. I did
>>> have my old ones converted to hollow axles.
>>>
>>> Ultra New hubs use hollow axles of our own design mated to threadin
>>> wheel fixing bolts, as opposed to the nutted axles of our previous hubs.
>>> Hollow axles make conversion to quick release super easy (remove bolts,
>>> insert QR skewer, install wheel into frame or fork, ride). All Ultra New
>>> hubs come with fixing bolts, but all are QR compatible without axle
>>> conversion or any other extra crap. Neato. The axles are made of CroMoly
>>> steel, while the fixing bolts are 10.9 stainless steel (i.e. high grade)
>>> for corrosion resistance, high strength, and good looks, and the bolts
>>> tighten and loosen with a 6mm hex wrench.
>>>
>>> I highly recommend a QR skewer -- strong steal internal cam, of course.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, February 2, 2024 at 2:16:12 PM UTC-8 Edwin W wrote:

> ... BMC Monstercross. 700c wheels and cantilever posts. But that has
> 135mm rear spacing, so not exactly built for single speed.
>
> What else is out there that can take a 38mm (or so) tire with a fender?
>
> Edwin
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno and the state of single speed bikes

[Edwin W]

I love all of this experimentation, and the Rev folks sure do have a lot of 
experience. 

For me, I am in the fixed gear or 1x8 or so camp. 
Fixed gear so pure and direct and connected.
1x8 more flexible, fewer problems on the hills, but not nearly as much 
easier as you would think considering there are eight times as many gears! 
I do have a city bike with IGH which is cleaner, but getting back to a 
derailed bike feels like a much more direct transfer of power. 

I would like a mechanical engineer/bike racer/someone who knows a lot to 
tell me: how much easier/faster is a geared bike than a single speed? With 
the terrain of Middle Tennessee (rolling hills) Is it 5% faster, like in a 
1 hour race the geared bike wins by 3 minutes? 10% faster (wins by 6 
minutes), or more like 1-2% faster (wins by a minute give or take)?

Edwin

On Monday, February 5, 2024 at 1:01:59 PM UTC-6 DavidP wrote:

> A recent Riv newsletter compared the 3x1 to an IGH, saying the 3x1 setup 
> is similar but more mechanically transparent.
>
> If you could setup a rear shifted 1x2 or 1x3 with 8-10t jumps between cogs 
> that might be an interesting comparison. (The largest jump on a megarange 
> freewheel is in this range.)
>
> A question I keep coming back to is whether a 3x1 is more "efficient" than 
> a 1x7/8/9 in terms of drivetrain complexity (mechanically and/or mentally).
>
> Still, I like the idea of a front shifted 2x1 or 3x1 setup. If planning on 
> such a setup I'd probably just get a Homer vs the Roaduno because I always 
> end up wanting fenders on a bike like this and vertical dropouts make 
> fenders so much easier. But I do see that the Roaduno with its 120mm rear 
> spacing is a "more pure" implementation of the vision.
>
> -Dave
>
> On Monday, February 5, 2024 at 12:55:20 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> I've always wondered what advantages a 2X1 has over a 1X2 if you are 
>> going to use derailleurs -- the 2X1 requires a FD and something like a RD 
>> while the 1X2 requires only the rear one -- but for ss sans derailleur some 
>> people say that front shifting is easier than rear shifting. Not for me, 
>> though.
>>
>> Am eagerly awaiting the close ratio Silver Rivendell IGH (with 
>> proprietary wingnuts).
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 10:51 AM Mathias Steiner  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Bill said
>>> >> I think the 2x1 or 3x1 concept around the Roaduno is brilliant. 
>>>
>>> ... A 2x1 would give me all the complexities of a rear derailleur, plus 
>>> the poorer shifting of a front system.
>>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno and the state of single speed bikes

[DavidP]

A recent Riv newsletter compared the 3x1 to an IGH, saying the 3x1 setup is 
similar but more mechanically transparent.

If you could setup a rear shifted 1x2 or 1x3 with 8-10t jumps between cogs 
that might be an interesting comparison. (The largest jump on a megarange 
freewheel is in this range.)

A question I keep coming back to is whether a 3x1 is more "efficient" than 
a 1x7/8/9 in terms of drivetrain complexity (mechanically and/or mentally).

Still, I like the idea of a front shifted 2x1 or 3x1 setup. If planning on 
such a setup I'd probably just get a Homer vs the Roaduno because I always 
end up wanting fenders on a bike like this and vertical dropouts make 
fenders so much easier. But I do see that the Roaduno with its 120mm rear 
spacing is a "more pure" implementation of the vision.

-Dave

On Monday, February 5, 2024 at 12:55:20 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I've always wondered what advantages a 2X1 has over a 1X2 if you are going 
> to use derailleurs -- the 2X1 requires a FD and something like a RD while 
> the 1X2 requires only the rear one -- but for ss sans derailleur some 
> people say that front shifting is easier than rear shifting. Not for me, 
> though.
>
> Am eagerly awaiting the close ratio Silver Rivendell IGH (with proprietary 
> wingnuts).
>
> On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 10:51 AM Mathias Steiner  
> wrote:
>
>> Bill said
>> >> I think the 2x1 or 3x1 concept around the Roaduno is brilliant. 
>>
>> ... A 2x1 would give me all the complexities of a rear derailleur, plus 
>> the poorer shifting of a front system.
>>
>
>

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