Re: [RBW] Re: Stan's to Paris-Roubaixs on Ram

2013-08-07 Thread Ron Mc 
sorry, that is, the second shot of Stans got me one last ride - got 6 weeks 
out of the first charge.  

On Wednesday, August 7, 2013 10:46:32 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> had to give up on my tubular - about 650 mi on the tire.  It went down 
> again after the last ride and I could hear it leaking like a sieve all over 
> the tube - I think the dried Stans pulled it apart.  Of course Challenge 
> tire with latex tube.  Mounting a new one today.  So with these tires at 
> least, Stans will get me just more rides.  Again, I think storing the bike 
> in the garage was not the right choice for drying out the Stans.  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Stan's to Paris-Roubaixs on Ram

2013-08-07 Thread Ron Mc 
had to give up on my tubular - about 650 mi on the tire.  It went down 
again after the last ride and I could hear it leaking like a sieve all over 
the tube - I think the dried Stans pulled it apart.  Of course Challenge 
tire with latex tube.  Mounting a new one today.  So with these tires at 
least, Stans will get me just more rides.  Again, I think storing the bike 
in the garage was not the right choice for drying out the Stans.  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Stan's to Paris-Roubaixs on Ram

2013-08-05 Thread Patrick Moore 
Great stuff, innit? About non-removable Presta cores: it's not hard, just a
 bit more inconvenient, to remove them, and you ought to have all of your
equipment near at hand: Stan's with nozzle, pliers, rag.

Hod the tube with secondary hand pinching tube just below valve core.
Unscrew the locknut as far as possible. Use pliers to force nut off post.
Let core drop into tube, catching and holding it with secondary hand.
Insert nozze of Stan's dispenser over stem, add sealant, wipe as needed,
then use both hands to coax core back up the stem -- I push the stem down
over the core and then carefully invert stem to let core fall back into
place. Push locknut back onto post and use pliers to force back onto
threads. Voila.

On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 7:32 AM, Steven Frederick  wrote:

> I'm pretty sold on the stuff.  After a couple of recent experiences even
> more so.  I went to fix a slow leak in a Hetre-shod tube, and once I found
> the hole, I realized my tube glue was dried out.  Again.  Then I noticed
> that the tube had a removable core so I removed said core, added a jigger
> of Stan's, pumped up the bare tube enough to roughly triple it's size
> shook/spun it for a moment, and the hole sealed right up.  I then deflated
> and installed it, and promptly added Stan's to all the tubes I could (that
> had removable cores).
>
> A few days later, riding my new Stag with Stan-tubed PariMotos, I heard a
> juicy hissing sound when riding through a rough, gravely road construction
> area.  It stopped after a few revolutions and I pressed on.  Then I heard
> it again.  It again quickly stopped and on I went.  When I stopped at a
> park a mile or two later I spun the wheel and found a notable cut in the
> casing.  The tire was still damp around it but it was holding air fine.  On
> I went.
>
> I've had similar experiences with my tubeless mountain bike tires as well.
>
> Q-tubes brand tubes (QBP?) all seem to have removable cores.  I won't buy
> any that don't feature them from now on!  Like these:
>
>
> http://www.ebikestop.com/q_tubes_650b_x_35_43mm_32mm_presta_valve_tube_584mm_etrto-TU6870.php
>
> You can kind of tell when Stan's needs refreshing by putting your ear by
> the bottom of the tire (in a repair stand or whatever) and spinning it.  If
> you hear a liquid running sound, you're good.  If you hear more of a
> rolling debris sort of sound, it could probably use an ounce or two.  When
> in doubt, if it's been hot or you haven't topped it off in a couple of
> months, it can't hurt to dump in a little.  Add a little if you get a bad
> puncture, too--you always lose some before it seals.
>
> Steve
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 11:41 AM, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Thanks. That is the one problem, so far, with Stan's -- having to monitor
>> the drying. I use it in tubes, so at worst it will mean replacing a pair
>> every 3 months or so, but at the rate I was getting flats before Stan's,
>> that is considerably less than the cost in patches that I was using.
>>
>> FWIW, a search for "correct amount of Stan's" led to a quote from a
>> Stan's rep who said, in effect, "2 oz for every tire". I put just 1 oz in
>> my 30 mm P-R, and the full 2 in 55 mm Exiwolfs.
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 11:50 AM, Ron Mc  wrote:
>>
>>> I usually pump my tires every 3 to 4 days - latex tubes go down by
>>> definition.  It went flat a few hours after I pumped it, and it had been
>>> two weeks since I rode it.  Another charge of Stans, pumped it up and spun
>>> the wheel for awhile.  After 3 days it's holding solid.  Seems unlikely
>>> it's a new hole since I didn't ride the bike, so I assumed the old one
>>> dried out.  All is good for now.
>>>
>>> How did you discover that it had dried? Flats? Or no spray from the
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Re: [RBW] Re: Stan's to Paris-Roubaixs on Ram

2013-08-05 Thread Steven Frederick 
I'm pretty sold on the stuff.  After a couple of recent experiences even
more so.  I went to fix a slow leak in a Hetre-shod tube, and once I found
the hole, I realized my tube glue was dried out.  Again.  Then I noticed
that the tube had a removable core so I removed said core, added a jigger
of Stan's, pumped up the bare tube enough to roughly triple it's size
shook/spun it for a moment, and the hole sealed right up.  I then deflated
and installed it, and promptly added Stan's to all the tubes I could (that
had removable cores).

A few days later, riding my new Stag with Stan-tubed PariMotos, I heard a
juicy hissing sound when riding through a rough, gravely road construction
area.  It stopped after a few revolutions and I pressed on.  Then I heard
it again.  It again quickly stopped and on I went.  When I stopped at a
park a mile or two later I spun the wheel and found a notable cut in the
casing.  The tire was still damp around it but it was holding air fine.  On
I went.

I've had similar experiences with my tubeless mountain bike tires as well.

Q-tubes brand tubes (QBP?) all seem to have removable cores.  I won't buy
any that don't feature them from now on!  Like these:

http://www.ebikestop.com/q_tubes_650b_x_35_43mm_32mm_presta_valve_tube_584mm_etrto-TU6870.php

You can kind of tell when Stan's needs refreshing by putting your ear by
the bottom of the tire (in a repair stand or whatever) and spinning it.  If
you hear a liquid running sound, you're good.  If you hear more of a
rolling debris sort of sound, it could probably use an ounce or two.  When
in doubt, if it's been hot or you haven't topped it off in a couple of
months, it can't hurt to dump in a little.  Add a little if you get a bad
puncture, too--you always lose some before it seals.

Steve


On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 11:41 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Thanks. That is the one problem, so far, with Stan's -- having to monitor
> the drying. I use it in tubes, so at worst it will mean replacing a pair
> every 3 months or so, but at the rate I was getting flats before Stan's,
> that is considerably less than the cost in patches that I was using.
>
> FWIW, a search for "correct amount of Stan's" led to a quote from a Stan's
> rep who said, in effect, "2 oz for every tire". I put just 1 oz in my 30 mm
> P-R, and the full 2 in 55 mm Exiwolfs.
>
> On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 11:50 AM, Ron Mc  wrote:
>
>> I usually pump my tires every 3 to 4 days - latex tubes go down by
>> definition.  It went flat a few hours after I pumped it, and it had been
>> two weeks since I rode it.  Another charge of Stans, pumped it up and spun
>> the wheel for awhile.  After 3 days it's holding solid.  Seems unlikely
>> it's a new hole since I didn't ride the bike, so I assumed the old one
>> dried out.  All is good for now.
>>
>> How did you discover that it had dried? Flats? Or no spray from the valve?
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Re: [RBW] Re: Stan's to Paris-Roubaixs on Ram

2013-08-03 Thread Patrick Moore 
Thanks. That is the one problem, so far, with Stan's -- having to monitor
the drying. I use it in tubes, so at worst it will mean replacing a pair
every 3 months or so, but at the rate I was getting flats before Stan's,
that is considerably less than the cost in patches that I was using.

FWIW, a search for "correct amount of Stan's" led to a quote from a Stan's
rep who said, in effect, "2 oz for every tire". I put just 1 oz in my 30 mm
P-R, and the full 2 in 55 mm Exiwolfs.

On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 11:50 AM, Ron Mc  wrote:

> I usually pump my tires every 3 to 4 days - latex tubes go down by
> definition.  It went flat a few hours after I pumped it, and it had been
> two weeks since I rode it.  Another charge of Stans, pumped it up and spun
> the wheel for awhile.  After 3 days it's holding solid.  Seems unlikely
> it's a new hole since I didn't ride the bike, so I assumed the old one
> dried out.  All is good for now.
>
> How did you discover that it had dried? Flats? Or no spray from the valve?
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Re: [RBW] Re: Stan's to Paris-Roubaixs on Ram

2013-08-02 Thread Ron Mc 
I usually pump my tires every 3 to 4 days - latex tubes go down by 
definition.  It went flat a few hours after I pumped it, and it had been 
two weeks since I rode it.  Another charge of Stans, pumped it up and spun 
the wheel for awhile.  After 3 days it's holding solid.  Seems unlikely 
it's a new hole since I didn't ride the bike, so I assumed the old one 
dried out.  All is good for now.  

How did you discover that it had dried? Flats? Or no spray from the valve?
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Stan's to Paris-Roubaixs on Ram

2013-08-02 Thread Patrick Moore 
Thanks for the update info. That's odd; I put in Stan's almost two months
ago and no punctures; perhaps it has dried up and I've just been lucky? At
any rate, I've got my calendar tickled to check it in a month or so.

How did you discover that it had dried? Flats? Or no spray from the valve?

I keep the Ram in a hot garage, too, though for the last month it has been
a lot cooler and more humid because of our rains.

On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 8:56 AM, Ron Mc  wrote:

> Patrick, finally had to add more Stans, and after only 6 weeks.  I was
> keeping the bike in the garage and I think it dried out in the heat.  So I
> moved it back indoors to the room I keep closed from the cat.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Stan's to Paris-Roubaixs on Ram

2013-07-15 Thread Ron Mc 
Michael, Stan's is liquid latex - no other filler.  I have a yard full of 
prickly pear and a lawn tractor that had a flat on the big rear, tubeless. 
 A 2-oz. Stan's solved it completely.  You can also use Stan's to go 
tubeless on your bike wheels.  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Stan's to Paris-Roubaixs on Ram

2013-07-15 Thread Ron Mc 
tag loop, that is - and it holds the blinkie rock solid.  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Stan's to Paris-Roubaixs on Ram

2013-07-15 Thread Ron Mc 
Look at this Patrick
properly folded glued tubular


  

  

Freaking Acorn Bag



The contents include the folded tubular, glue, lab gloves, acid brush, a 
roll of Tufo tape, flat kit including Zap-A-Gap, 2 oz. Stans and valve 
stems, and a full tool kit.  There's still room for for my keys, and wallet 
or camera and credit card.  Ron added a tat loop to clip my rear blinkie.  



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Re: [RBW] Re: Stan's to Paris-Roubaixs on Ram

2013-07-15 Thread Patrick Moore 
You really must know about Stan's. It is a foaming sealant that was
developed for tubeless tires, and differs from the Slime type of sealant in
requiring far less and on the principle by which it works (don't know what
that principle is, but it ain't small clogging particles in a mass of,
well, slime. I also understand that Slime has updated its formula to more
closely match the performance of rivals like True Goo. Still!)

You add about 1 fluid oz to a road tube -- compared to about a heckofalot
more of the Slime type sealant. All the LBS tubular (roadie) and tubeless
(MTB) users say it has "solved the goathead issue". For me, at any rate,
while I was getting a flat every 10-15 miles on the Parigi Roubaix
pre-Stan's, it's been almost 200 miles sans flat, post-Stan's.

You can buy it in small, 2 oz bottles for about $3, or buy a pint for much
less per unit. The little bottles are easy to carry with your repair kit.

Stan's is meant to be put in tubes with removable valve cores, but I've
added it to non-rem-core Prestas by simply forcing the locknut off and
holding the core at the top of the tube when it drops out of the valve
stem. (Force the locknut back on with a pair of pliers.)

The downside, I hear tell, is that it slowly dries up into dessicated
little rubber balls or, as someone else posted, "octopuses". They tell me
that I should expect to have to add more in about 3 months. So, worst case
-- if you don't want little rubber marbles or octopuses in your tube -- you
toss your tube and replace with a new one with new Stan's every few months.
Me, I'll add another oz proactively in about a month or so.

FWIW, I ride my Kojaks -- nice road tires, if not as nice as the P-Rs --
without Stans and without Tire Savers, and they don't flat more than once
every 50-100 miles or so. (Ditto, oddly, with the Michelin Pro Race 3s on
the gofast.) But the P-R were deadly for goathead flats.

On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 2:55 PM, Michael Hechmer  wrote:

> Pardon my ignorance, but I have just read this thread and don't know what
> Stan's is.  I am hoping to ride in NM, next April, so need to know this
> stuff.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Stan's to Paris-Roubaixs on Ram

2013-07-15 Thread Michael Hechmer 
Pardon my ignorance, but I have just read this thread and don't know what 
Stan's is.  I am hoping to ride in NM, next April, so need to know this 
stuff.

Michael

On Monday, July 15, 2013 4:05:36 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I forgot to mention that there is, so I've been told, nothing to keep you 
> from adding more Stan's at regular intervals when the old stuff goes solid. 
> On a high end, high mileage tire, I'd guess you would wear out the tread 
> before you filled the tube with excess of sealant. LBS staff tell me that 
> it dries up in ~3 months depending on ambient conditions.
>
> On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 1:53 PM, Patrick Moore 
> > wrote:
>
>> Two months, roughly, with Stan's in my P-R clinchers and it seems to be 
>> still liquid. 
>>
>> The good thing about clinchers, in this regard at least, is that when the 
>> Stan's dries up (I hear it turns into little rubber octopuses) you can junk 
>> the tube and replace it for $5.
>>
>> So far, no flats on the P-R, tho' (1) I am using Tire Savers, too and (2) 
>> it's only been 200 miles or so, since I've also been riding the fixed Rivs 
>> and the Fargo.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Ron Mc 
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Patrick, I finally had to break down and add 20g of Stans to my rear 
>>> Parigi tubular.  Developed a very slow leak after the weekend ride.  Over 
>>> 600 miles without it.  Have a spare tire if I need it...  
>>> What I'm hoping, though, is I can ride this one until the Stans dries 
>>> out.  
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, May 21, 2013 8:22:32 AM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:

 You learn to live with them and of course that requires some compromise 
 or another. Mine is to fix a lot of flats; others prefer protected tire 
 systems -- "systems" intentionally, since some involve two casings, some 
 thorn-proof tubes + one or more of liners, sealant, and belted tires. The 
 internal casing (beads cut off an old tire) is a local racer thing.

 I am hoping that Stan's adds another weight to the rider side of the 
 equation. So far, so good.

 On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 5:27 AM, Michael Hechmer wrote:

> Patrick, I find this thread a little scary!  Since I retired, and 
> stopped commuting into Burlington, I almost never get flats. Did have one 
> on the tandem this week though.  I am planning on attending a conference 
> in 
> Santa Fe next pril and was hoping to go to Albuquerque before hand and do 
> some early season riding, but you make it sound like I should leave my 
> tires at home and just ride on the rims!
>
> I have never ridden through goat heads but have camped with them in NM 
> & Az so do have some idea how penetrating they are. I remember dreading 
> putting my hand down on the ground to get out of the tent at canyon de 
> Chez 
> (Sp??).  Ouch.
>
> Michael 
>
> On Saturday, May 18, 2013 12:44:17 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> I finally got fed up and just installed Stan's (about 1 oz each tube) 
>> in Ram's tubes. We'll see how it does. I've also got Tire Savers 
>> installed. 
>> If the rate of flats (about one a ride) doesn't go down, it's back to 
>> the 
>> Kojaks.
>>
>> I think you have to check the Stan's after three months or so and 
>> replenish if it has dried up?
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Re: [RBW] Re: Stan's to Paris-Roubaixs on Ram

2013-07-15 Thread Patrick Moore 
I forgot to mention that there is, so I've been told, nothing to keep you
from adding more Stan's at regular intervals when the old stuff goes solid.
On a high end, high mileage tire, I'd guess you would wear out the tread
before you filled the tube with excess of sealant. LBS staff tell me that
it dries up in ~3 months depending on ambient conditions.

On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 1:53 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Two months, roughly, with Stan's in my P-R clinchers and it seems to be
> still liquid.
>
> The good thing about clinchers, in this regard at least, is that when the
> Stan's dries up (I hear it turns into little rubber octopuses) you can junk
> the tube and replace it for $5.
>
> So far, no flats on the P-R, tho' (1) I am using Tire Savers, too and (2)
> it's only been 200 miles or so, since I've also been riding the fixed Rivs
> and the Fargo.
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Ron Mc  wrote:
>
>> Hey Patrick, I finally had to break down and add 20g of Stans to my rear
>> Parigi tubular.  Developed a very slow leak after the weekend ride.  Over
>> 600 miles without it.  Have a spare tire if I need it...
>> What I'm hoping, though, is I can ride this one until the Stans dries
>> out.
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 21, 2013 8:22:32 AM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>> You learn to live with them and of course that requires some compromise
>>> or another. Mine is to fix a lot of flats; others prefer protected tire
>>> systems -- "systems" intentionally, since some involve two casings, some
>>> thorn-proof tubes + one or more of liners, sealant, and belted tires. The
>>> internal casing (beads cut off an old tire) is a local racer thing.
>>>
>>> I am hoping that Stan's adds another weight to the rider side of the
>>> equation. So far, so good.
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 5:27 AM, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>>>
 Patrick, I find this thread a little scary!  Since I retired, and
 stopped commuting into Burlington, I almost never get flats. Did have one
 on the tandem this week though.  I am planning on attending a conference in
 Santa Fe next pril and was hoping to go to Albuquerque before hand and do
 some early season riding, but you make it sound like I should leave my
 tires at home and just ride on the rims!

 I have never ridden through goat heads but have camped with them in NM
 & Az so do have some idea how penetrating they are. I remember dreading
 putting my hand down on the ground to get out of the tent at canyon de Chez
 (Sp??).  Ouch.

 Michael

 On Saturday, May 18, 2013 12:44:17 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I finally got fed up and just installed Stan's (about 1 oz each tube)
> in Ram's tubes. We'll see how it does. I've also got Tire Savers 
> installed.
> If the rate of flats (about one a ride) doesn't go down, it's back to the
> Kojaks.
>
> I think you have to check the Stan's after three months or so and
> replenish if it has dried up?
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Stan's to Paris-Roubaixs on Ram

2013-07-15 Thread Patrick Moore 
Two months, roughly, with Stan's in my P-R clinchers and it seems to be
still liquid.

The good thing about clinchers, in this regard at least, is that when the
Stan's dries up (I hear it turns into little rubber octopuses) you can junk
the tube and replace it for $5.

So far, no flats on the P-R, tho' (1) I am using Tire Savers, too and (2)
it's only been 200 miles or so, since I've also been riding the fixed Rivs
and the Fargo.

On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Ron Mc  wrote:

> Hey Patrick, I finally had to break down and add 20g of Stans to my rear
> Parigi tubular.  Developed a very slow leak after the weekend ride.  Over
> 600 miles without it.  Have a spare tire if I need it...
> What I'm hoping, though, is I can ride this one until the Stans dries out.
>
>
> On Tuesday, May 21, 2013 8:22:32 AM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> You learn to live with them and of course that requires some compromise
>> or another. Mine is to fix a lot of flats; others prefer protected tire
>> systems -- "systems" intentionally, since some involve two casings, some
>> thorn-proof tubes + one or more of liners, sealant, and belted tires. The
>> internal casing (beads cut off an old tire) is a local racer thing.
>>
>> I am hoping that Stan's adds another weight to the rider side of the
>> equation. So far, so good.
>>
>> On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 5:27 AM, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>>
>>> Patrick, I find this thread a little scary!  Since I retired, and
>>> stopped commuting into Burlington, I almost never get flats. Did have one
>>> on the tandem this week though.  I am planning on attending a conference in
>>> Santa Fe next pril and was hoping to go to Albuquerque before hand and do
>>> some early season riding, but you make it sound like I should leave my
>>> tires at home and just ride on the rims!
>>>
>>> I have never ridden through goat heads but have camped with them in NM &
>>> Az so do have some idea how penetrating they are. I remember dreading
>>> putting my hand down on the ground to get out of the tent at canyon de Chez
>>> (Sp??).  Ouch.
>>>
>>> Michael
>>>
>>> On Saturday, May 18, 2013 12:44:17 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:

 I finally got fed up and just installed Stan's (about 1 oz each tube)
 in Ram's tubes. We'll see how it does. I've also got Tire Savers installed.
 If the rate of flats (about one a ride) doesn't go down, it's back to the
 Kojaks.

 I think you have to check the Stan's after three months or so and
 replenish if it has dried up?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Stan's to Paris-Roubaixs on Ram

2013-07-15 Thread Ron Mc 
Hey Patrick, I finally had to break down and add 20g of Stans to my rear 
Parigi tubular.  Developed a very slow leak after the weekend ride.  Over 
600 miles without it.  Have a spare tire if I need it...  
What I'm hoping, though, is I can ride this one until the Stans dries out.  

On Tuesday, May 21, 2013 8:22:32 AM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> You learn to live with them and of course that requires some compromise or 
> another. Mine is to fix a lot of flats; others prefer protected tire 
> systems -- "systems" intentionally, since some involve two casings, some 
> thorn-proof tubes + one or more of liners, sealant, and belted tires. The 
> internal casing (beads cut off an old tire) is a local racer thing.
>
> I am hoping that Stan's adds another weight to the rider side of the 
> equation. So far, so good.
>
> On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 5:27 AM, Michael Hechmer 
> 
> > wrote:
>
>> Patrick, I find this thread a little scary!  Since I retired, and stopped 
>> commuting into Burlington, I almost never get flats. Did have one on the 
>> tandem this week though.  I am planning on attending a conference in Santa 
>> Fe next pril and was hoping to go to Albuquerque before hand and do some 
>> early season riding, but you make it sound like I should leave my tires at 
>> home and just ride on the rims!
>>
>> I have never ridden through goat heads but have camped with them in NM & 
>> Az so do have some idea how penetrating they are. I remember dreading 
>> putting my hand down on the ground to get out of the tent at canyon de Chez 
>> (Sp??).  Ouch.
>>
>> Michael 
>>
>> On Saturday, May 18, 2013 12:44:17 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>> I finally got fed up and just installed Stan's (about 1 oz each tube) in 
>>> Ram's tubes. We'll see how it does. I've also got Tire Savers installed. If 
>>> the rate of flats (about one a ride) doesn't go down, it's back to the 
>>> Kojaks.
>>>
>>> I think you have to check the Stan's after three months or so and 
>>> replenish if it has dried up?
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Stan's to Paris-Roubaixs on Ram

2013-05-21 Thread PATRICK MOORE 
You learn to live with them and of course that requires some compromise or
another. Mine is to fix a lot of flats; others prefer protected tire
systems -- "systems" intentionally, since some involve two casings, some
thorn-proof tubes + one or more of liners, sealant, and belted tires. The
internal casing (beads cut off an old tire) is a local racer thing.

I am hoping that Stan's adds another weight to the rider side of the
equation. So far, so good.

On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 5:27 AM, Michael Hechmer  wrote:

> Patrick, I find this thread a little scary!  Since I retired, and stopped
> commuting into Burlington, I almost never get flats. Did have one on the
> tandem this week though.  I am planning on attending a conference in Santa
> Fe next pril and was hoping to go to Albuquerque before hand and do some
> early season riding, but you make it sound like I should leave my tires at
> home and just ride on the rims!
>
> I have never ridden through goat heads but have camped with them in NM &
> Az so do have some idea how penetrating they are. I remember dreading
> putting my hand down on the ground to get out of the tent at canyon de Chez
> (Sp??).  Ouch.
>
> Michael
>
> On Saturday, May 18, 2013 12:44:17 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> I finally got fed up and just installed Stan's (about 1 oz each tube) in
>> Ram's tubes. We'll see how it does. I've also got Tire Savers installed. If
>> the rate of flats (about one a ride) doesn't go down, it's back to the
>> Kojaks.
>>
>> I think you have to check the Stan's after three months or so and
>> replenish if it has dried up?
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Re: [RBW] Re: Stan's to Paris-Roubaixs on Ram

2013-05-18 Thread PATRICK MOORE 
Good to know -- I remember now that Steve = approx. 1.43 of me.

We'll see how the Stan's does.

On Sat, May 18, 2013 at 2:23 PM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:

> On Sat, 2013-05-18 at 13:57 -0600, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
> > Well, no flat on the 16.5 mile rt grocery/PO run today -- return half
> > carrying 42 lb in the rear.
> >
> >
> > Question: I figger that the rider weight equivalent of a 42 lb
> > addition to the rear rack is equivalent, assuming a 60/40 r/f weight
> > distribution, to a 245 lb rider. Would a 245 lb rider be chancing
> > things by riding 30 mm Parigi Roubaix's?
>
> Only if they're running them too soft, or they're riding in GOATHEAD
> COUNTRY, where no man is safe from the Devil's Weed.
>
>
> > I am careful to post over the more egregious bumps like our always
> > present and very annoying (and up to 6" wide, tho' generally more like
> > 4") expansion cracks.
> >
> >
> > I mean: I expect more tread wear with more weight; but does this sort
> > of Clydesdale equivalent risk busting the sidewalls or delaminating
> > the tread on such a light, supple, delicate tire?
> >
>
> I do not think so.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Stan's to Paris-Roubaixs on Ram

2013-05-18 Thread PATRICK MOORE 
Excellent, many thanks. I'll archive this for future reference.

The photo of the Stan's Monster scared and upset me. I calmed and reassured
myself by looking at the St. Stefanus photo.



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> Sorry...wasnt sure if it would link. I stuck it on 
> flickr.
>
> As for knowing when...you'll get a flat and it will refuse to seal. I'll
> remove thorns etc, shake the wheel around to coat the tube and try airing
> it up...if it deflates, I replace with my spare and hope to make it back. I
> can't think of any way to check. I suppose you could remove the tube and
> feel around to see if the sealant has started clumping, but if my tubes are
> holding air, I dont mess with them. The sealant works by plugging the hole
> and drying so my guess is taking a tube out could potentially "unclog" some
> of the holes. Total speculation that. I do know that by the time I pull the
> plug on a tube, it's got hundreds of punctures. I've removed 50+ goatheads
> in one sitting, so if the stans sealed it for 6 months...I consider that a
> job well done and retirement is earned.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Stan's to Paris-Roubaixs on Ram

2013-05-18 Thread jinxed 
Sorry...wasnt sure if it would link. I stuck it on 
flickr.

As for knowing when...you'll get a flat and it will refuse to seal. I'll 
remove thorns etc, shake the wheel around to coat the tube and try airing 
it up...if it deflates, I replace with my spare and hope to make it back. I 
can't think of any way to check. I suppose you could remove the tube and 
feel around to see if the sealant has started clumping, but if my tubes are 
holding air, I dont mess with them. The sealant works by plugging the hole 
and drying so my guess is taking a tube out could potentially "unclog" some 
of the holes. Total speculation that. I do know that by the time I pull the 
plug on a tube, it's got hundreds of punctures. I've removed 50+ goatheads 
in one sitting, so if the stans sealed it for 6 months...I consider that a 
job well done and retirement is earned.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Stan's to Paris-Roubaixs on Ram

2013-05-18 Thread PATRICK MOORE 
[Don't know your name]: your link requires registration. Can you attach the
photo, or give a non-restricted link? I'd like to see what Stan's looks
like after 6 mos.

Also: how do you know when it is time to replace the tube/Stan's? Do you go
only by time?

Thanks!

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> I run stans in all my tubes here in CO for the same goathead nemesis.
>
> My experience has been that I will get about 6-8 months out of each tube
> before they stop sealing. At that point the little latex bits have clumped
> together into a space-spore looking thing and will either just tumble
> around in the tube, or be big enough that it's stuck in place. Even though
> you can still hear liquid sloshing around, the sealing bits have quit their
> job. When this happens, the tube is basically toast. I tried adding more
> sealant, but the spore was so big it was either impeding the flow or gather
> up the latex. When I remove tubes in this condition they look like snakes
> with a belly full of mouse.
>
> For me replacing both tubes even twice a year is faster, more economical,
> and less hassle than dealing with the constant flats.
>
> Here's a picture of a stans monster I cut out of a 
> tube.For 
> reference, this came out of a tube run in a 700x32 cross tire.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Stan's to Paris-Roubaixs on Ram

2013-05-18 Thread Steve Palincsar 
On Sat, 2013-05-18 at 11:16 -0600, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
> 
> How *does* one discover if the sealant has dried -- besides getting
> more flats? I'd like to be pro-active. 

Do you actually have to go out of your way to pro-actively encourage
flats on the Parigi-Roubaix tires?  If so, you might try flash cards
with pictures of broken glass.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Stan's to Paris-Roubaixs on Ram

2013-05-18 Thread Steve Palincsar 
On Sat, 2013-05-18 at 13:57 -0600, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
> Well, no flat on the 16.5 mile rt grocery/PO run today -- return half
> carrying 42 lb in the rear.  
> 
> 
> Question: I figger that the rider weight equivalent of a 42 lb
> addition to the rear rack is equivalent, assuming a 60/40 r/f weight
> distribution, to a 245 lb rider. Would a 245 lb rider be chancing
> things by riding 30 mm Parigi Roubaix's? 

Only if they're running them too soft, or they're riding in GOATHEAD
COUNTRY, where no man is safe from the Devil's Weed.


> I am careful to post over the more egregious bumps like our always
> present and very annoying (and up to 6" wide, tho' generally more like
> 4") expansion cracks.
> 
> 
> I mean: I expect more tread wear with more weight; but does this sort
> of Clydesdale equivalent risk busting the sidewalls or delaminating
> the tread on such a light, supple, delicate tire?
> 

I do not think so.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Stan's to Paris-Roubaixs on Ram

2013-05-18 Thread jinxed 
I run stans in all my tubes here in CO for the same goathead nemesis.

My experience has been that I will get about 6-8 months out of each tube 
before they stop sealing. At that point the little latex bits have clumped 
together into a space-spore looking thing and will either just tumble 
around in the tube, or be big enough that it's stuck in place. Even though 
you can still hear liquid sloshing around, the sealing bits have quit their 
job. When this happens, the tube is basically toast. I tried adding more 
sealant, but the spore was so big it was either impeding the flow or gather 
up the latex. When I remove tubes in this condition they look like snakes 
with a belly full of mouse.

For me replacing both tubes even twice a year is faster, more economical, 
and less hassle than dealing with the constant flats.

Here's a picture of a stans monster I cut out of a 
tube.For 
reference, this came out of a tube run in a 700x32 cross tire.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Stan's to Paris-Roubaixs on Ram

2013-05-18 Thread PATRICK MOORE 
Well, no flat on the 16.5 mile rt grocery/PO run today -- return half
carrying 42 lb in the rear.

Question: I figger that the rider weight equivalent of a 42 lb addition to
the rear rack is equivalent, assuming a 60/40 r/f weight distribution, to a
245 lb rider. Would a 245 lb rider be chancing things by riding 30 mm
Parigi Roubaix's? I am careful to post over the more egregious bumps like
our always present and very annoying (and up to 6" wide, tho' generally
more like 4") expansion cracks.

I mean: I expect more tread wear with more weight; but does this sort of
Clydesdale equivalent risk busting the sidewalls or delaminating the tread
on such a light, supple, delicate tire?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Stan's to Paris-Roubaixs on Ram

2013-05-18 Thread PATRICK MOORE 
The instructions say 2-7 months depending on climate, which I take to mean
that where it's very dry it dries up faster. I'll keep an eye on them.

How *does* one discover if the sealant has dried -- besides getting more
flats? I'd like to be pro-active.

Also, Jim: when yours dries up, do you add more to the tube or use a new
tube with new sealant?

"Nother question: If I were to use it in 700X60C tires, 2"-plus tubes, how
much should I insert? Tho' so far the Big Apples have done pretty darn well
at resisting the evil thorn.

I had enough bad experiences with Slime and True Goo -- to wit, larger
flats where the sealant didn't seal but instead simply leaked into the
casing, leaving a puddle of slimy mess. I am hoping that Stan's proves to
be a more effective remedy.

On Sat, May 18, 2013 at 11:11 AM, Jim M.  wrote:

> On Saturday, May 18, 2013 9:44:17 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>
>> I think you have to check the Stan's after three months or so and
>> replenish if it has dried up?
>>
>> Probably not a bad idea. In tubeless applications, I generally get at
> least 6 months before I add more, but I don't have as many goatheads as you.
>
> jim m
> wc ca
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