Re: [RBW] Re: Suggestions on changes to Joe Appaloosa.

2025-04-24 Thread Jim Willis 
Amazing. Thank you!On Apr 23, 2025, at 6:08 PM, Jason Fuller  wrote:You can also get support struts for the Bagman which should do exactly what you need!  I only recently discovered these, I think they're pretty new. https://www.kissingcrowsoutpost.com/products/carradice-bagman-support-struts



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Re: [RBW] Re: Suggestions on changes to Joe Appaloosa.

2025-04-23 Thread Jason Fuller 
You can also get support struts for the Bagman which should do exactly what 
you need!  I only recently discovered these, I think they're pretty new. 
https://www.kissingcrowsoutpost.com/products/carradice-bagman-support-struts


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Re: [RBW] Re: Suggestions on changes to Joe Appaloosa.

2025-04-05 Thread Garth 
I see your RD is a Microshift R10 Jim. It's total capacity is 39 teeth. 
With your current setup of an 11-36 cassette and 34/46 rings the RD is 
already at near capacity, 37 teeth. So you'd need a mtb RD with more 
capacity to get a lower range, plus a 110/74 BCD crankset. Say even a 
24/34/46 crank and your current 11-36 cassette comes to 45 total tooth 
capacity, which is the limit for many long cage RD's. I see Microshift has 
a 10sp XLE RD that has 47 tooth capacity, nice !  It looks awful in all 
black, but yeah well at least it's behind you when you ride  ;-).

I suppose you must have a silver crank ? If not the Dimension Cross Crank 
arms are easily a best buy @ $59. Despite the name they are 110/74 BCD. If 
your LHT is an older one with the no name silver cranks, those are the same 
cranks. They are made by Andel, model RSC6, stamped on the inside. The 
tread is a little wider than Sugino/Clippers @170mm w/115m BB, but the 
crank arms are thicker and notably superior in stiffness to those. I 
currently use them on my Bomba, I formerly used XD's. If you need rings 
though a complete crank is likely more suitable for you, if they come with 
the rings you want, however. 

In nutshell you'd need a new crank and RD to get a lower gear range and 
more capacity. Even if you got a pie plate cassette and used a hanger 
extender you'd need a higher tooth capacity RD. Those pie plates are 
(over)priced rather high though, so keeping your current cassette and 
getting a tripe crank and a RD like the XLE would work well. 





On Sunday, March 23, 2025 at 12:45:35 PM UTC-4 Andy Beichler wrote:

>
> Did you check to see if the crank is already drilled for a triple?  
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Suggestions on changes to Joe Appaloosa.

2025-03-25 Thread Shannon Menkveld 
On Sunday, March 23, 2025 at 6:00:26 PM UTC-7 sjwi... wrote:

I think I have an old XT MTB RD in my parts bin so just need to find a 
nice looking (silver!) 110/74 BCD crankset on eBay and that will hopefully 
sort me out.   


I'm a big fan of the Shimano Deore FC-MT60 crank. Light, pretty, & strong, 
plus millions of them were made, so they're plentiful and cheap. Heck, most 
co-ops should have at least one in the bin-o-cranks. 

Other plusses:
110x74, so the widest variety of chainrings of any non-TA-type crankset, 
(every even-numbered ring from 24 to 52, plus 39, 45, and 53, and 47s 
aren't hard to find,) and they'll be available until the heat death of the 
Universe. Low Q for a triple: 150 mm with a 122.5 mm bottom bracket. I've 
got one on my '85 League Fuji, with a 68x118.5 BB, so Q should be around 
145.

The only downside to them is that the anodizing seems to be particularly 
prone to heel scuffs.

--Shannon

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Re: [RBW] Re: Suggestions on changes to Joe Appaloosa.

2025-03-25 Thread John Johnson 
I have a clipper triple I'm not using, that might interest you. 
I'll send you a PM.

John
On Tuesday, March 25, 2025 at 2:29:06 AM UTC+1 Jason Fuller wrote:

> I'm largely overlapping with all the sound advice you've already received, 
> but my votes: 
>
> Tires: Continental Race King 2.2" - fast enough on pavement you won't be 
> bothered, grippy enough on trails for any "XC" type of riding.  I also 
> really like the Rene Herse knobbies, if you want tan wall that's my vote.  
> I have ridden all sorts of terrain on the RH knobbies and have never had to 
> think about my tires - even on blue MTB trails.
>
> Drivetrain: Big fan of 1990s 110/74 triples here - they are cheap and 
> plentiful, basically Silver cranks for a fraction of the cost and usually 
> lighter. So many gearing options; I run 38/24 on my Bombadil and that works 
> great - I use the top gears, but never need more. And I like to pair them 
> with a matching era front derailleur, LX or XT typically, which are dime a 
> dozen in 28.6mm clamp.  The only downside of this route is that 90% of the 
> used market are 175mm cranks, so if you want shorter they become harder to 
> find.  I find 170mm comes up regularly enough, though.  
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Suggestions on changes to Joe Appaloosa.

2025-03-24 Thread Steven Sweedler 
Another way to lower your gears without the large cassettes is to use a
94-58 bcd crankset from the early 90’s mtbs. with a 20-34 you have a 15”
gear.   XT 737  cranksets are not hard to find at reasonable prices.

Steven Sweedler
Plymouth, New Hampshire


On Sun, Mar 23, 2025 at 5:01 PM Steve  wrote:

> Jim, you might try an 11-42 10 speed cassette. 11-46s are also available.
> Of course, depending on the capacity of your rear derailleur, you could
> wind up needing to replace it.  But having said that, I have found that
> Shimano RDs are often able to function well beyond their published specs by
> backing out the B screw.
> On Sunday, March 23, 2025 at 11:26:03 AM UTC-4 [email protected]
> wrote:
>
>> The current small chainring is *34 *not 36, sorry. couldn't figure out
>> how to edit message. In any case, a 34 is clearly not low enough for me.
>>
>> On Sunday, March 23, 2025 at 10:53:25 AM UTC-4 Jim Willis wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all, I am new to this group. Picked up a Joe A several weeks ago and
>>> have been mostly lurking here but after yesterday’s ride, am hoping to get
>>> some guidance from this group’s experience.
>>>
>>> I live in NJ and usually do 1 of 2 kinds of ride:
>>> 1.) 10-15miles, strictly pavement, super flat, out to the beach and
>>> back. I do this ride almost daily just for my mental health, sometimes solo
>>> sometimes with friends, never fast.
>>> 2.) 15-25 miles: a combination of pavement, fire roads/gravel, single
>>> track with some roots 1,000-1,500 feet of climbing, some of it pretty steep.
>>>
>>> I did ride #2 for the 3rd time this season on the Joe and think I need
>>> to make some changes to my build.
>>>
>>> Tires:
>>> When I picked up the Joe A, i put some gravel king SKs on it (48) hoping
>>> that these would be a nice middle of the road. I find they are OK on the
>>> road and OK on the gravel but I really think that something with a bit more
>>> volume that I could run at a slightly lower pressure would be better for
>>> the minimal though bone-jarring sections of trails with exposed roots, etc.
>>> Would love suggestions.
>>>
>>> Gearing:
>>> The crankset (
>>> https://www.somafabshop.com/shop/new-albion-crankset-xdd-46-34-10-sp-2200)
>>> is (i think) the “clipper double” from the Rivendell website. I think the
>>> small chainring is a 36. (My 10sp rear cassette’s lowest gear is a 36t). I
>>> need a smaller front chainring for the climbs and I’m not sure: 1.) a 34t
>>> would be small enough 2.) if not, do i need to get another crankset to do
>>> more of a compact double with a 28t or similar without breaking the bank
>>> ($100-150). Would love feedback thoughts!
>>>
>>> In short, despite having a few other bikes (Surly LHT, Surly Midnight
>>> Special, 1986 Team Miyata) that each does one thing really well (rides to
>>> the beach, all terrain rides and fun/fast rides respectively), I love the
>>> way my Riv rides so much that I’m trying to sort of make it do the rides to
>>> beach/all terrain rides bike.
>>>
>>> Thanks all, have really enjoyed the discussions on here and hope to be
>>> able contribute something useful! Including photos so you can see current
>>> build and a non-rooty section of the single track on my routes.
>>> (I couldn’t resize photos to post so including link here)
>>> https://share.icloud.com/photos/0f4Y0ThIZCUFRZWjrqQBBqvLg
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Suggestions on changes to Joe Appaloosa.

2025-03-24 Thread Jason Fuller 
I'm largely overlapping with all the sound advice you've already received, 
but my votes: 

Tires: Continental Race King 2.2" - fast enough on pavement you won't be 
bothered, grippy enough on trails for any "XC" type of riding.  I also 
really like the Rene Herse knobbies, if you want tan wall that's my vote.  
I have ridden all sorts of terrain on the RH knobbies and have never had to 
think about my tires - even on blue MTB trails.

Drivetrain: Big fan of 1990s 110/74 triples here - they are cheap and 
plentiful, basically Silver cranks for a fraction of the cost and usually 
lighter. So many gearing options; I run 38/24 on my Bombadil and that works 
great - I use the top gears, but never need more. And I like to pair them 
with a matching era front derailleur, LX or XT typically, which are dime a 
dozen in 28.6mm clamp.  The only downside of this route is that 90% of the 
used market are 175mm cranks, so if you want shorter they become harder to 
find.  I find 170mm comes up regularly enough, though.  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Suggestions on changes to Joe Appaloosa.

2025-03-24 Thread Garth 
Hey JIm, what length arms do you need ?



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Re: [RBW] Re: Suggestions on changes to Joe Appaloosa.

2025-03-24 Thread James McGregor 
Nice - I may hit you up!  My usual gravel routes are in 
Hunterdon/Warren/Sussex - I was up there on Friday riding some great 
doubletrack in Stokes State Forest.

On the triple setup - I'll send you some more details when I'm home 
tomorrow.  I thought I had exact info in a Google spreadsheet, but it seems 
to be on my home computer.

James

On Monday, March 24, 2025 at 10:37:34 AM UTC-4 [email protected] wrote:

> @James that Shimano triple option looks great (and possibly affordable), 
> thanks. Also, if you're not familiar with the gravel/county parks in the 
> Navesink/Highlands areas, feel free to reach out for some route 
> suggestions. 
>
> Jim
>
> On Monday, March 24, 2025 at 9:59:18 AM UTC-4 [email protected] wrote:
>
>> Hey, fellow New Jerseyan - my riding mix sounds pretty similar to yours.  
>> Here's what I did on my Hunqapillar: 26/36 on an old Shimano MTB triple, 
>> with the outer ring replaced with a bash guard from BBG.
>>
>> James in South Orange
>>
>> [image: IMG_20230213_151137419.jpg]
>>
>> On Monday, March 24, 2025 at 9:30:27 AM UTC-4 [email protected] 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> @nick: I'd be interested in seeing what a triple looks like just leaving 
>>> off the large chainring. I presume it really depends on the triple but I'd 
>>> love to find something that looks passable, as it's tricky to find a silver 
>>> compact double that doesn't break the bank. The 2 chainrings on a triple 
>>> seems like a tenable solution though I still haven't had a chance to 
>>> measure the BB to see if swapping a double to triple is feasible or if I'd 
>>> need a new BB as well, at which point this whole thing is getting a bit 
>>> pricey, I'll just do more squats :-)
>>>
>>> @Andy, unfortunately, no it's not already drilled for triple. 
>>>
>>> On Monday, March 24, 2025 at 6:54:48 AM UTC-4 Nick Payne wrote:
>>>
 My Appaloosa is running 36-24 chainrings on a 110/74BCD crank with an 
 11-40 cassette. RD is a Shimano GRX 810, only rated by Shimano for a 34t 
 cassette, but with the B screw most of the way in it copes with the 40t 
 cog 
 no problem. I generally buy my 110/74 cranks as bare crankarms from Spa 
 Cycles in the UK - they charge STG30 for the arms, plus whatever postage 
 would be.

 Nick Payne

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Suggestions on changes to Joe Appaloosa.

2025-03-24 Thread Jim Willis 
@James that Shimano triple option looks great (and possibly affordable), 
thanks. Also, if you're not familiar with the gravel/county parks in the 
Navesink/Highlands areas, feel free to reach out for some route 
suggestions. 

Jim

On Monday, March 24, 2025 at 9:59:18 AM UTC-4 [email protected] wrote:

> Hey, fellow New Jerseyan - my riding mix sounds pretty similar to yours.  
> Here's what I did on my Hunqapillar: 26/36 on an old Shimano MTB triple, 
> with the outer ring replaced with a bash guard from BBG.
>
> James in South Orange
>
> [image: IMG_20230213_151137419.jpg]
>
> On Monday, March 24, 2025 at 9:30:27 AM UTC-4 [email protected] 
> wrote:
>
>> @nick: I'd be interested in seeing what a triple looks like just leaving 
>> off the large chainring. I presume it really depends on the triple but I'd 
>> love to find something that looks passable, as it's tricky to find a silver 
>> compact double that doesn't break the bank. The 2 chainrings on a triple 
>> seems like a tenable solution though I still haven't had a chance to 
>> measure the BB to see if swapping a double to triple is feasible or if I'd 
>> need a new BB as well, at which point this whole thing is getting a bit 
>> pricey, I'll just do more squats :-)
>>
>> @Andy, unfortunately, no it's not already drilled for triple. 
>>
>> On Monday, March 24, 2025 at 6:54:48 AM UTC-4 Nick Payne wrote:
>>
>>> My Appaloosa is running 36-24 chainrings on a 110/74BCD crank with an 
>>> 11-40 cassette. RD is a Shimano GRX 810, only rated by Shimano for a 34t 
>>> cassette, but with the B screw most of the way in it copes with the 40t cog 
>>> no problem. I generally buy my 110/74 cranks as bare crankarms from Spa 
>>> Cycles in the UK - they charge STG30 for the arms, plus whatever postage 
>>> would be.
>>>
>>> Nick Payne
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Suggestions on changes to Joe Appaloosa.

2025-03-24 Thread Jim Willis 
@nick: I'd be interested in seeing what a triple looks like just leaving 
off the large chainring. I presume it really depends on the triple but I'd 
love to find something that looks passable, as it's tricky to find a silver 
compact double that doesn't break the bank. The 2 chainrings on a triple 
seems like a tenable solution though I still haven't had a chance to 
measure the BB to see if swapping a double to triple is feasible or if I'd 
need a new BB as well, at which point this whole thing is getting a bit 
pricey, I'll just do more squats :-)

@Andy, unfortunately, no it's not already drilled for triple. 

On Monday, March 24, 2025 at 6:54:48 AM UTC-4 Nick Payne wrote:

> My Appaloosa is running 36-24 chainrings on a 110/74BCD crank with an 
> 11-40 cassette. RD is a Shimano GRX 810, only rated by Shimano for a 34t 
> cassette, but with the B screw most of the way in it copes with the 40t cog 
> no problem. I generally buy my 110/74 cranks as bare crankarms from Spa 
> Cycles in the UK - they charge STG30 for the arms, plus whatever postage 
> would be.
>
> Nick Payne
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Suggestions on changes to Joe Appaloosa.

2025-03-24 Thread iamkeith 
You've got good advice and direction on gearing.  I think the Appaloosa 
sounds like the perfect bike for the riding you do.  Thought I'd chime in 
on tires:

Most of my riding sounds similar to yours, with the exception of the mix 
leaning slightly more toward off-pavement in rockier (rocky mountain) 
soil.  I come from a mountain biker background, but have seen the light:  
High volume, supple sidewalls and a good rubber compound are the key for 
almost everything, and I think that basically all types of knobby treads 
are overkill the vast majority of the time.  (Unless you're drifting 
through high-speed, banked turns at a mountain bike park, or smashing 
through jagged rock gardens, big knobs are mostly about magazine hype and 
testosterone.  But similarly, unless you're racing in a peloton and leaning 
hard into corners on loose gravel, even "gravel" treads are mostly overkill 
too.)

Additionally, without knobs, you can fit a bigger-volume casing.  Depending 
on the vintage of your Appaloosa and rim width, you may be able to fit a 
2.3 or 2.4 or 2.5 inch tire.

Schwalbe's G-one tires are perfect.  They were originally developed for 
mixed-surface racing with beaches and sand floatation being part of it.  On 
asphalt though, they feel fast like a road tire.  I can't keep up with the 
regular tech updates and proprietay names for their different compounds 
they offer, so you might need to do some research.  FWIW

https://www.schwalbetires.com/G-One-Speed-11654585

On Monday, March 24, 2025 at 4:54:48 AM UTC-6 Nick Payne wrote:

> My Appaloosa is running 36-24 chainrings on a 110/74BCD crank with an 
> 11-40 cassette. RD is a Shimano GRX 810, only rated by Shimano for a 34t 
> cassette, but with the B screw most of the way in it copes with the 40t cog 
> no problem. I generally buy my 110/74 cranks as bare crankarms from Spa 
> Cycles in the UK - they charge STG30 for the arms, plus whatever postage 
> would be.
>
> Nick Payne
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Suggestions on changes to Joe Appaloosa.

2025-03-24 Thread der_amerikanische_freund 

Regarding tire choices, you could stick with the Gravelkings SK but in 
their widest size, 2.1". I think this is a new offering that didn't use to 
exist. Also by Panaracer although branded Ultradynamico are their 29x2.2 
offerings 
(https://ultradynamico.com/collections/tires/products/mars-jff?variant=39763280920661)

Otherwise, Teravail Sparwoods in 29x2.2 are fairly similar 
(https://www.teravail.com/products/sparwood-tire?srsltid=AfmBOoqAzbtwtsL0zcgDkUtm66VyksBkJXgk0g-LR7w4OXWVQD_aKjCX)

Regards


El lunes, 24 de marzo de 2025 a las 11:54:48 UTC+1, Nick Payne escribió:

> My Appaloosa is running 36-24 chainrings on a 110/74BCD crank with an 
> 11-40 cassette. RD is a Shimano GRX 810, only rated by Shimano for a 34t 
> cassette, but with the B screw most of the way in it copes with the 40t cog 
> no problem. I generally buy my 110/74 cranks as bare crankarms from Spa 
> Cycles in the UK - they charge STG30 for the arms, plus whatever postage 
> would be.
>
> Nick Payne
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Suggestions on changes to Joe Appaloosa.

2025-03-24 Thread Nick Payne 
My Appaloosa is running 36-24 chainrings on a 110/74BCD crank with an 11-40 
cassette. RD is a Shimano GRX 810, only rated by Shimano for a 34t 
cassette, but with the B screw most of the way in it copes with the 40t cog 
no problem. I generally buy my 110/74 cranks as bare crankarms from Spa 
Cycles in the UK - they charge STG30 for the arms, plus whatever postage 
would be.

Nick Payne

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Re: [RBW] Re: Suggestions on changes to Joe Appaloosa.

2025-03-24 Thread Andy Beichler 

Did you check to see if the crank is already drilled for a triple?  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Suggestions on changes to Joe Appaloosa.

2025-03-23 Thread Jim Willis 
all: huge thanks for giving this some thought.Garth: This is the route that I was thinking (yes, I have the Andel triple on my LHT and have never had an issue with them). I think I have an old XT MTB RD in my parts bin so just need to find a nice looking (silver!) 110/74 BCD crankset on eBay and that will hopefully sort me out.  Really appreciate the notes about tooth capacity, i hadn’t run that formula in ages so it was good food for thought. Now, if anyone has any tire suggestions :-)Thanks.On Mar 23, 2025, at 5:16 PM, Garth  wrote:I see your RD is a Microshift R10 Jim. It's total capacity is 39 teeth. With your current setup of an 11-36 cassette and 34/46 rings the RD is already at near capacity, 37 teeth. So you'd need a mtb RD with more capacity to get a lower range, plus a 110/74 BCD crankset. Say even a 24/34/46 crank and your current 11-36 cassette comes to 45 total tooth capacity, which is the limit for many long cage RD's. I see Microshift has a 10sp XLE RD that has 47 tooth capacity, nice !  It looks awful in all black, but yeah well at least it's behind you when you ride  ;-).I suppose you must have a silver crank ? If not the Dimension Cross Crank arms are easily a best buy @ $59. Despite the name they are 110/74 BCD. If your LHT is an older one with the no name silver cranks, those are the same cranks. They are made by Andel, model RSC6, stamped on the inside. The tread is a little wider than Sugino/Clippers @170mm w/115m BB, but the crank arms are thicker and notably superior in stiffness to those. I currently use them on my Bomba, I formerly used XD's. If you need rings though a complete crank is likely more suitable for you, if they come with the rings you want, however. In nutshell you'd need a new crank and RD to get a lower gear range and more capacity. Even if you got a pie plate cassette and used a hanger extender you'd need a higher tooth capacity RD. Those pie plates are (over)priced rather high though, so keeping your current cassette and getting a tripe crank and a RD like the XLE would work well. On Sunday, March 23, 2025 at 12:45:35 PM UTC-4 Andy Beichler wrote:Did you check to see if the crank is already drilled for a triple?  



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