Re: [RBW] Re: Supernova E3 tail light opinions
http://thelazyrando.wordpress.com/2011/03/24/the-safety-myth/ This ^ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/ED3lMAcpYnQJ. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Supernova E3 tail light opinions
Dmit: forgot the URL: http://thelazyrando.wordpress.com/2011/03/24/the-safety-myth/ On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 1:57 PM, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > Ryan: note that the standard roadwork barrier warning light is an amber > blinkie (tho' I am old enough to remember the hand-bomb-shaped flaming > flares used until the '60s or so). Of course, the fact that guvmint uses it > is no proof of its reasonableness. > > Me, I use: one blinkie; one steady; and reflectors on person (Sam Browne > or waist triangle, ankle reflectors) and bike (cranks; fender; sometimes > rim, triangle if not on person). > > I think it's foolish to sweat this question too much -- as they say, it's > not rocket science. Have a good headlight with backup; have a good blinkie > with backup; have reflective gear on you and your bike; and ride with > reasonable caution. > > This blog post is wordy and somewhat confused, but the essential message > -- "don't ride stupidly and cycling is not that dangerous" -- is worth > reconsidering. > > I personally discount the "moth effect" warnings and the "annoying to > motorists" warnings; I want motorists to be alarmed if that's what it takes > to be visible -- let them scrape the left curb in their panic if that means > they see me (I refer to the idiots who feel they must give a cyclist 25 > feet of clearance by passing entirely in the oncoming lane; tho' these are > better than the brain-dead type who drive with right wheels 2' across the > bike lane line). Of course, courtesy would dictate care in selecting your > rear lights when riding with other cyclists. > > Patrick "cut my cycling teeth in New Delhi urban traffic and survived six > years of *extremely* stupid adolescent ego-motivated cycling on the deadly > streets of greater Nairobi, Kenya" Moore > > On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 1:40 PM, Ryan Ray wrote: > >> This has been an extremely informative thread. I now feel completely >> unprepared for night riding and I'm completely torn between blinking and >> not blinking. >> >> - Ryan >> >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/o0uEusKfMRMJ. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. >> > > > > -- > Patrick Moore > Albuquerque, NM > For professional resumes, contact > Patrick Moore, ACRW > http://resumespecialties.com/index.html > > > > -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Supernova E3 tail light opinions
Ryan: note that the standard roadwork barrier warning light is an amber blinkie (tho' I am old enough to remember the hand-bomb-shaped flaming flares used until the '60s or so). Of course, the fact that guvmint uses it is no proof of its reasonableness. Me, I use: one blinkie; one steady; and reflectors on person (Sam Browne or waist triangle, ankle reflectors) and bike (cranks; fender; sometimes rim, triangle if not on person). I think it's foolish to sweat this question too much -- as they say, it's not rocket science. Have a good headlight with backup; have a good blinkie with backup; have reflective gear on you and your bike; and ride with reasonable caution. This blog post is wordy and somewhat confused, but the essential message -- "don't ride stupidly and cycling is not that dangerous" -- is worth reconsidering. I personally discount the "moth effect" warnings and the "annoying to motorists" warnings; I want motorists to be alarmed if that's what it takes to be visible -- let them scrape the left curb in their panic if that means they see me (I refer to the idiots who feel they must give a cyclist 25 feet of clearance by passing entirely in the oncoming lane; tho' these are better than the brain-dead type who drive with right wheels 2' across the bike lane line). Of course, courtesy would dictate care in selecting your rear lights when riding with other cyclists. Patrick "cut my cycling teeth in New Delhi urban traffic and survived six years of *extremely* stupid adolescent ego-motivated cycling on the deadly streets of greater Nairobi, Kenya" Moore On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 1:40 PM, Ryan Ray wrote: > This has been an extremely informative thread. I now feel completely > unprepared for night riding and I'm completely torn between blinking and > not blinking. > > - Ryan > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/o0uEusKfMRMJ. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
RE: [RBW] Re: Supernova E3 tail light opinions
Yup. Comforting that there's obviously no wrong answer. From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ryan Ray Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 3:41 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [RBW] Re: Supernova E3 tail light opinions This has been an extremely informative thread. I now feel completely unprepared for night riding and I'm completely torn between blinking and not blinking. - Ryan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/o0uEusKfMRMJ. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- To ensure compliance with Treasury Department regulations, we advise you that, unless otherwise expressly indicated, any federal tax advice contained in this message was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (i) avoiding tax-related penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or applicable state or local tax law provisions or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any tax-related matters addressed herein. This email (and any attachments thereto) is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (and any attachments thereto) is strictly prohibited. If you receive this email in error please immediately notify me at (212) 735-3000 and permanently delete the original email (and any copy of any email) and any printout thereof. Further information about the firm, a list of the Partners and their professional qualifications will be provided upon request. == -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Supernova E3 tail light opinions
One more idea: a big reflective triangle attached to your bag, or a reflective vest (personally dislike these -- too much of a hassle to get on and off over all the other winter kit), Sam Browne or -- my favorite -- a reflective triangle attached to a reflective belt. One more idea yet: Lightman strobe when you want to attach a blinkie to a bag that, unlike a frame or seatpost or rack mounting, does not hold the light in one position. The strobe does not suffer from the off-axis decline in visibility that LED blinkies seem to do. OTOH, the Lightman that I have runs only 2 hours on 2 alkaline or NMH AAs. https://picasaweb.google.com/BERTIN753/BIKESMISCELLANEA#5663812088636007938 Don't try this with your two-wheeler: https://picasaweb.google.com/BERTIN753/BIKESMISCELLANEA#5695750139888167026 On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 1:00 PM, EricP wrote: > Good comments patrick and Liesl. Might cut some reflective tape for > the crankarms. Already have MKS sneaker pedals with reflectors. And > a foot or so silver reflective tape on the rear fender. Should maybe > hunt down my reflective triangle and install it on the Country Bag. > > Thanks for all the suggestions so far. Looks like the ugly cable will > be sticking around. Unless I redo it down below the bike. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Supernova E3 tail light opinions
Lee Mitchell, a local bike person who has been driving sag support for literally hundreds of events here in NorCal, recommends reflective ankle bands as the most valuable piece of nighttime safety equipment. As Liesl notes, the movement instantly identifies you as a cyclist, and helps the motorist gauge speed and distance based on that knowledge. --Eric N Sent from my iPad2 On Jan 23, 2012, at 11:22 AM, Liesl wrote: > Hi Eric, > > I commute on Summit Avenue on the way home, and I find that when I > come up on other bikes, one of the great things that identifies it as > a bicycle is pedal reflectors. Their movement immediately says "bike" > and I'm surprised how well/far away they can be seen. Certainly > further than bad lights. On the flashing front, I do like the planet > bike blinky. I've seen one as I was crossing the Marshall Ave bridge > and the bike was up the hill just about at Cretin and it was a little > foggy that day. Really impressive. And ditto on the reflector vests > and triangles, etc. I think the best approach is to do whatever you > can that identifies you as a bicycle; e.g. pedal reflectors. > > liesl > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Supernova E3 tail light opinions
Or adding reflective tape to your cranks as I do when my pedals don't accept reflectors. I agree that the "bobbing up and down" or flashing (if the tape is installed at the bb axle junction) appearance signals "bike". Of course, you can always use ankle reflectors too. On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 12:22 PM, Liesl wrote: > Hi Eric, > > I commute on Summit Avenue on the way home, and I find that when I > come up on other bikes, one of the great things that identifies it as > a bicycle is pedal reflectors. Their movement immediately says "bike" > and I'm surprised how well/far away they can be seen. Certainly > further than bad lights. On the flashing front, I do like the planet > bike blinky. I've seen one as I was crossing the Marshall Ave bridge > and the bike was up the hill just about at Cretin and it was a little > foggy that day. Really impressive. And ditto on the reflector vests > and triangles, etc. I think the best approach is to do whatever you > can that identifies you as a bicycle; e.g. pedal reflectors. > > liesl > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Supernova E3 tail light opinions
On Mon, 2012-01-23 at 09:44 -0800, Way Rebb wrote: > You can also add a few more lights in back. I ride in the dark quite a > bit and I have three tail lights, all battery powered A friend of mine has 5 or 6 on his brevet bike: a generator powered steady light, a DiNotte, a blinking Planet Bike Superflash on each seat stay, some kind of bright flasher and a tiny little red lantern hanging off the seat bag. I can't ride behind him with all of that going. It's absolutely unbearable. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Supernova E3 tail light opinions
If you do junk the (pricey) system and switch to B&M, I have loved my Toplight line plus in the rear. Really the best I have seen. I am sure you can sell the E3 for not a huge loss. As for flashing vs steady, didn't we just have a super long thread on that?? Edwin "livin' the dyno dream" Williamson -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/F72XtU2a5e4J. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Supernova E3 tail light opinions
On Jan 22, 2012, at 7:28 PM, Ginz wrote: > I don't rely on my Supernova tailight alone but since I am already > pushing the Dyno hub I like to take advantage of the battery-free > taillight. > > I always carry an extra battery-powered blinkie. The trouble is that > I don't have a place to put it. The fender-mounted Spinnegas don't > flash. My chainstays are blocked by the rack and fender so my > Princeton Tec Swerve is a no-go. Normally I clip a traditional square > light to the back of my pants or belt and put it on flash mode. > > I must figure out another place to mount a light. This is a matter of some debate in some quarters, but I never use a light in flashing mode. In some places, for one thing, it is actually illegal as flashing lights are reserved for emergency vehicles and the like, except for turn signals. Another issue is that flashing lights just annoy me. A third is that if a flashing light is all that another road users has to go on in order to visually locate you and to estimate your direction and speed, a flashing light is harder for them to track. I set all my lights in non-flashing mode and this has always worked well. I have never been run into at night because of it. IMHO we are often harder to see in broad daylight than at night. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Supernova E3 tail light opinions
I've been thinking about lights, and I bet a fairly simple switch (lightweight examples found on motorcycle switchgear) could be affixed to the rear cable housing stop that would activate when the brake is applied, and then power a bright red LED. It could work in conjunction with a steady-on or blinky light, but it would give me a greater degree of control in my communications with too-close cagers who might be crowding me. - Andrew, Berkeley -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
