Re: [RBW] Re: Tire Recommendations (largest diameter)

[Bob Walicki]

Thanks! Nice rec. I'll try to be good perhaps and see if I can sell my
700x44 Snowqualmies before committing to these ones as the Kendas are
rolling nice. But, those look like they'd ride great.

On Mon, Dec 2, 2024 at 3:19 PM John Williams 
wrote:

> LOOKING FOR 55-IS TIRES? IMHO, YOU CANNOT BEAT THE
> https://www.renehersecycles.com/shop/components/tires/700c/700cx55-antelope-hill-tc/
>
> Rolling perfection...get the ultra lights and run about 27psi for the ride
> of your life!
>
> Happy Trails,
> JRW
>
> On Sunday, December 1, 2024 at 5:49:38 PM UTC-5 robtw...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> To close this chapter. My LBS had a bunch of tires on discount and I
>> grabbed a pair of 29x2.2 Kendas for $30 total - Saber Pros. I decided to
>> give them a try.
>>
>> I've been running them tubeless for a couple of weeks and they are
>> fantastic. I've not embiggened the front cog yet, but at my comfortable
>> cadence I'm over 17MPH. Mission Accomplished!
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 17, 2024 at 2:35 PM dane...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> If you want an even higher gear e13 9t cassettes are an option also.
>>>
>>> -Dan
>>> On Wednesday, November 13, 2024 at 11:30:48 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 You definitely can make your highest gear higher by using bigger tires,
 BUT the differences are small.  Let's look at the numbers objectively:

 Running a 32x11 as your highest gear on a bike with 700x44 wheels, you
 are talking about a top gear that is roughly 81 gear inches.  Pedaling at
 60RPM you'll be going 14.5MPH.  Pedaling at 110RPM, you'll be going
 26.6MPH.  81 gear inches is not that high a top gear.

 Many cyclists complain that they spin out at 81 gear inches, and those
 people self identify as mashers.  They like to push hard at low RPM.  They
 don't want to pedal at 110RPM, but they want to go faster at lower
 cadence.  That's cool.  Get higher gears to do it.

 Going from a 32 to a 34 increases that top gear by about 6% to about
 86.5 gear inches.  Pedaling slowly at 60RPM, you'll be going about 1 mile
 per hour faster, 15.5MPH.  That's a small improvement

 Going from 44mm tires to 55mm tires increases the wheel diameter by
 20mm.  That's about a 3% increase in diameter, so it increases the gear
 inches by about 3% to about 89 gear inches.  It's about HALF the benefit
 you got from switching the chainring.  Now mashing at 60RPM will make you
 go another half a mile per hour faster, to something like 16MPH.

 Hypothetically if you could switch to a SRAM Eagle cassette which is
 10-52, then your top gear would jump up by ~10%.  In other words, switching
 from an 11T to a 10T cog would make more of a difference than changing both
 the chain ring and the tires.  That's simple, but it's expensive.

 If you made all of the above changes, we're talking about an 18%
 increase.  Hypothetically if you could train yourself to pedal 20% faster,
 then you'd make more of an impact and do it for free.  Pedaling faster is
 free if you are able to do it.  Many claim that spinning is more efficient
 also.  Many claim that they are far more able to spin when running shorter
 cranks.  If you are already a spinner and already maxing out at 26MPH or
 faster and need to go still faster, then higher gearing is the way to go.
 Best of luck on all of it.

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA
 On Tuesday, November 12, 2024 at 12:41:26 PM UTC-8 robtw...@gmail.com
 wrote:

> Thanks. Oh, the bigger chainring up front is definitely happening.
>
> I'm running 44s and can go a bit wider, but I guess I was asking
> specifically for tires that people know are "taller" as well, that is that
> increase the overall diameter of the wheel. I appreciate the skepticism
> regarding the suggestion, but this is a VERY well known and trusted LBS,
> with excellent staff, who think about these things a lot in a variety of
> setups (not just Rivendell, Waterford, etc., though they do that too).
>
> On Thu, Nov 7, 2024 at 6:30 PM Drew Saunders 
> wrote:
>
>> You can use this handy tool to test. Here, I’m assuming a 11-36
>> cassette, and comparing a 32 vs 34 with 42-622 tires. Oddly, there’s no
>> option for 44-622, but RH tires run a bit smaller than labeled.
>> http://www.gear-calculator.com/?GR=DERS&KB=34&RZ=11,13,15,17,19,21,24,28,32,36&UF=2230&TF=90&SL=2.6&UN=MPH&DV=gearInches&GR2=DERS&KB2=32&RZ2=11,13,15,17,19,21,24,28,32,36&UF2=2230
>>
>> Here, I keep the 32, but change to a 54-622 tire:
>>
>> http://www.gear-calculator.com/?GR=DERS&KB=32&RZ=11,13,15,17,19,21,24,28,32,36&UF=2295&TF=90&SL=2.6&UN=MPH&DV=gearInches&GR2=DERS&KB2=32&RZ2=11,13,15,17,19,21,24,28,32,36&UF2=2230
>>
>> Get the bigger chainring!
>>
>> On Thursday, November 7, 2024 at 8:29:50 AM UTC-8 wboe...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It's ha

Re: [RBW] Re: Tire Recommendations (largest diameter)

[John Williams]

LOOKING FOR 55-IS TIRES? IMHO, YOU CANNOT BEAT 
THE 
https://www.renehersecycles.com/shop/components/tires/700c/700cx55-antelope-hill-tc/

Rolling perfection...get the ultra lights and run about 27psi for the ride 
of your life!

Happy Trails, 
JRW

On Sunday, December 1, 2024 at 5:49:38 PM UTC-5 robtw...@gmail.com wrote:

> To close this chapter. My LBS had a bunch of tires on discount and I 
> grabbed a pair of 29x2.2 Kendas for $30 total - Saber Pros. I decided to 
> give them a try.
>
> I've been running them tubeless for a couple of weeks and they are 
> fantastic. I've not embiggened the front cog yet, but at my comfortable 
> cadence I'm over 17MPH. Mission Accomplished!
>
> On Sun, Nov 17, 2024 at 2:35 PM dane...@gmail.com  
> wrote:
>
>> If you want an even higher gear e13 9t cassettes are an option also. 
>>
>> -Dan
>> On Wednesday, November 13, 2024 at 11:30:48 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> You definitely can make your highest gear higher by using bigger tires, 
>>> BUT the differences are small.  Let's look at the numbers objectively:
>>>
>>> Running a 32x11 as your highest gear on a bike with 700x44 wheels, you 
>>> are talking about a top gear that is roughly 81 gear inches.  Pedaling at 
>>> 60RPM you'll be going 14.5MPH.  Pedaling at 110RPM, you'll be going 
>>> 26.6MPH.  81 gear inches is not that high a top gear.  
>>>
>>> Many cyclists complain that they spin out at 81 gear inches, and those 
>>> people self identify as mashers.  They like to push hard at low RPM.  They 
>>> don't want to pedal at 110RPM, but they want to go faster at lower 
>>> cadence.  That's cool.  Get higher gears to do it.  
>>>
>>> Going from a 32 to a 34 increases that top gear by about 6% to about 
>>> 86.5 gear inches.  Pedaling slowly at 60RPM, you'll be going about 1 mile 
>>> per hour faster, 15.5MPH.  That's a small improvement
>>>
>>> Going from 44mm tires to 55mm tires increases the wheel diameter by 
>>> 20mm.  That's about a 3% increase in diameter, so it increases the gear 
>>> inches by about 3% to about 89 gear inches.  It's about HALF the benefit 
>>> you got from switching the chainring.  Now mashing at 60RPM will make you 
>>> go another half a mile per hour faster, to something like 16MPH.  
>>>
>>> Hypothetically if you could switch to a SRAM Eagle cassette which is 
>>> 10-52, then your top gear would jump up by ~10%.  In other words, switching 
>>> from an 11T to a 10T cog would make more of a difference than changing both 
>>> the chain ring and the tires.  That's simple, but it's expensive.  
>>>
>>> If you made all of the above changes, we're talking about an 18% 
>>> increase.  Hypothetically if you could train yourself to pedal 20% faster, 
>>> then you'd make more of an impact and do it for free.  Pedaling faster is 
>>> free if you are able to do it.  Many claim that spinning is more efficient 
>>> also.  Many claim that they are far more able to spin when running shorter 
>>> cranks.  If you are already a spinner and already maxing out at 26MPH or 
>>> faster and need to go still faster, then higher gearing is the way to go.  
>>> Best of luck on all of it. 
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>> On Tuesday, November 12, 2024 at 12:41:26 PM UTC-8 robtw...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Thanks. Oh, the bigger chainring up front is definitely happening.

 I'm running 44s and can go a bit wider, but I guess I was asking 
 specifically for tires that people know are "taller" as well, that is that 
 increase the overall diameter of the wheel. I appreciate the skepticism 
 regarding the suggestion, but this is a VERY well known and trusted LBS, 
 with excellent staff, who think about these things a lot in a variety of 
 setups (not just Rivendell, Waterford, etc., though they do that too).

 On Thu, Nov 7, 2024 at 6:30 PM Drew Saunders  
 wrote:

> You can use this handy tool to test. Here, I’m assuming a 11-36 
> cassette, and comparing a 32 vs 34 with 42-622 tires. Oddly, there’s no 
> option for 44-622, but RH tires run a bit smaller than labeled. 
> http://www.gear-calculator.com/?GR=DERS&KB=34&RZ=11,13,15,17,19,21,24,28,32,36&UF=2230&TF=90&SL=2.6&UN=MPH&DV=gearInches&GR2=DERS&KB2=32&RZ2=11,13,15,17,19,21,24,28,32,36&UF2=2230
>
> Here, I keep the 32, but change to a 54-622 tire:
>
> http://www.gear-calculator.com/?GR=DERS&KB=32&RZ=11,13,15,17,19,21,24,28,32,36&UF=2295&TF=90&SL=2.6&UN=MPH&DV=gearInches&GR2=DERS&KB2=32&RZ2=11,13,15,17,19,21,24,28,32,36&UF2=2230
>
> Get the bigger chainring!
>
> On Thursday, November 7, 2024 at 8:29:50 AM UTC-8 wboe...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> It's hard for me to imagine that increasing your tire size is going 
>> to have much (any?) actual effect on speed.  Which I assume is what 
>> we're 
>> targeting here?  In my stable, once I get beyond 38mm, I take for 
>> granted 
>> that those bikes will be slower.  I'm not sure I c

Re: [RBW] Re: Tire Recommendations (largest diameter)

[Bob Walicki]

To close this chapter. My LBS had a bunch of tires on discount and I
grabbed a pair of 29x2.2 Kendas for $30 total - Saber Pros. I decided to
give them a try.

I've been running them tubeless for a couple of weeks and they are
fantastic. I've not embiggened the front cog yet, but at my comfortable
cadence I'm over 17MPH. Mission Accomplished!

On Sun, Nov 17, 2024 at 2:35 PM dane...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> If you want an even higher gear e13 9t cassettes are an option also.
>
> -Dan
> On Wednesday, November 13, 2024 at 11:30:48 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> You definitely can make your highest gear higher by using bigger tires,
>> BUT the differences are small.  Let's look at the numbers objectively:
>>
>> Running a 32x11 as your highest gear on a bike with 700x44 wheels, you
>> are talking about a top gear that is roughly 81 gear inches.  Pedaling at
>> 60RPM you'll be going 14.5MPH.  Pedaling at 110RPM, you'll be going
>> 26.6MPH.  81 gear inches is not that high a top gear.
>>
>> Many cyclists complain that they spin out at 81 gear inches, and those
>> people self identify as mashers.  They like to push hard at low RPM.  They
>> don't want to pedal at 110RPM, but they want to go faster at lower
>> cadence.  That's cool.  Get higher gears to do it.
>>
>> Going from a 32 to a 34 increases that top gear by about 6% to about 86.5
>> gear inches.  Pedaling slowly at 60RPM, you'll be going about 1 mile per
>> hour faster, 15.5MPH.  That's a small improvement
>>
>> Going from 44mm tires to 55mm tires increases the wheel diameter by
>> 20mm.  That's about a 3% increase in diameter, so it increases the gear
>> inches by about 3% to about 89 gear inches.  It's about HALF the benefit
>> you got from switching the chainring.  Now mashing at 60RPM will make you
>> go another half a mile per hour faster, to something like 16MPH.
>>
>> Hypothetically if you could switch to a SRAM Eagle cassette which is
>> 10-52, then your top gear would jump up by ~10%.  In other words, switching
>> from an 11T to a 10T cog would make more of a difference than changing both
>> the chain ring and the tires.  That's simple, but it's expensive.
>>
>> If you made all of the above changes, we're talking about an 18%
>> increase.  Hypothetically if you could train yourself to pedal 20% faster,
>> then you'd make more of an impact and do it for free.  Pedaling faster is
>> free if you are able to do it.  Many claim that spinning is more efficient
>> also.  Many claim that they are far more able to spin when running shorter
>> cranks.  If you are already a spinner and already maxing out at 26MPH or
>> faster and need to go still faster, then higher gearing is the way to go.
>> Best of luck on all of it.
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>> On Tuesday, November 12, 2024 at 12:41:26 PM UTC-8 robtw...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks. Oh, the bigger chainring up front is definitely happening.
>>>
>>> I'm running 44s and can go a bit wider, but I guess I was asking
>>> specifically for tires that people know are "taller" as well, that is that
>>> increase the overall diameter of the wheel. I appreciate the skepticism
>>> regarding the suggestion, but this is a VERY well known and trusted LBS,
>>> with excellent staff, who think about these things a lot in a variety of
>>> setups (not just Rivendell, Waterford, etc., though they do that too).
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 7, 2024 at 6:30 PM Drew Saunders 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 You can use this handy tool to test. Here, I’m assuming a 11-36
 cassette, and comparing a 32 vs 34 with 42-622 tires. Oddly, there’s no
 option for 44-622, but RH tires run a bit smaller than labeled.
 http://www.gear-calculator.com/?GR=DERS&KB=34&RZ=11,13,15,17,19,21,24,28,32,36&UF=2230&TF=90&SL=2.6&UN=MPH&DV=gearInches&GR2=DERS&KB2=32&RZ2=11,13,15,17,19,21,24,28,32,36&UF2=2230

 Here, I keep the 32, but change to a 54-622 tire:

 http://www.gear-calculator.com/?GR=DERS&KB=32&RZ=11,13,15,17,19,21,24,28,32,36&UF=2295&TF=90&SL=2.6&UN=MPH&DV=gearInches&GR2=DERS&KB2=32&RZ2=11,13,15,17,19,21,24,28,32,36&UF2=2230

 Get the bigger chainring!

 On Thursday, November 7, 2024 at 8:29:50 AM UTC-8 wboe...@gmail.com
 wrote:

> It's hard for me to imagine that increasing your tire size is going to
> have much (any?) actual effect on speed.  Which I assume is what we're
> targeting here?  In my stable, once I get beyond 38mm, I take for granted
> that those bikes will be slower.  I'm not sure I can gauge how much slower
> 29x2.2 is than, say 650x48.
>
> I'd stick with swapping out the chainring and see if that makes the
> difference you're looking for.  You could also shrink your cassette some 
> to
> get smaller jumps between gears.
>
> Will
>
> On Thursday, November 7, 2024 at 9:49:42 AM UTC-5 DavidP wrote:
>
>> Generally the way to increase tire diameter for a given wheel size is
>> to increase the tire width. Do you have 

Re: [RBW] Re: Tire Recommendations (largest diameter)

[Bob Walicki]

Thanks Bill. That is helpful.

And it seems pretty definitive. I'm currently running 700x44 and my MPH @
60RPM with a 34x11 would be 15.4.

Running 700x56 my MPH(@60RPM) would be 16.1, which is 99% of the 16.3 you
would get with 36x11 on 44s. So I can get close to a 36T "feel" with 56s.

So, who's got some 55ish tires they love?

On Wed, Nov 13, 2024 at 10:30 AM Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> You definitely can make your highest gear higher by using bigger tires,
> BUT the differences are small.  Let's look at the numbers objectively:
>
> Running a 32x11 as your highest gear on a bike with 700x44 wheels, you are
> talking about a top gear that is roughly 81 gear inches.  Pedaling at 60RPM
> you'll be going 14.5MPH.  Pedaling at 110RPM, you'll be going 26.6MPH.  81
> gear inches is not that high a top gear.
>
> Many cyclists complain that they spin out at 81 gear inches, and those
> people self identify as mashers.  They like to push hard at low RPM.  They
> don't want to pedal at 110RPM, but they want to go faster at lower
> cadence.  That's cool.  Get higher gears to do it.
>
> Going from a 32 to a 34 increases that top gear by about 6% to about 86.5
> gear inches.  Pedaling slowly at 60RPM, you'll be going about 1 mile per
> hour faster, 15.5MPH.  That's a small improvement
>
> Going from 44mm tires to 55mm tires increases the wheel diameter by 20mm.
> That's about a 3% increase in diameter, so it increases the gear inches by
> about 3% to about 89 gear inches.  It's about HALF the benefit you got from
> switching the chainring.  Now mashing at 60RPM will make you go another
> half a mile per hour faster, to something like 16MPH.
>
> Hypothetically if you could switch to a SRAM Eagle cassette which is
> 10-52, then your top gear would jump up by ~10%.  In other words, switching
> from an 11T to a 10T cog would make more of a difference than changing both
> the chain ring and the tires.  That's simple, but it's expensive.
>
> If you made all of the above changes, we're talking about an 18%
> increase.  Hypothetically if you could train yourself to pedal 20% faster,
> then you'd make more of an impact and do it for free.  Pedaling faster is
> free if you are able to do it.  Many claim that spinning is more efficient
> also.  Many claim that they are far more able to spin when running shorter
> cranks.  If you are already a spinner and already maxing out at 26MPH or
> faster and need to go still faster, then higher gearing is the way to go.
> Best of luck on all of it.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
> On Tuesday, November 12, 2024 at 12:41:26 PM UTC-8 robtw...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks. Oh, the bigger chainring up front is definitely happening.
>>
>> I'm running 44s and can go a bit wider, but I guess I was asking
>> specifically for tires that people know are "taller" as well, that is that
>> increase the overall diameter of the wheel. I appreciate the skepticism
>> regarding the suggestion, but this is a VERY well known and trusted LBS,
>> with excellent staff, who think about these things a lot in a variety of
>> setups (not just Rivendell, Waterford, etc., though they do that too).
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 7, 2024 at 6:30 PM Drew Saunders  wrote:
>>
>>> You can use this handy tool to test. Here, I’m assuming a 11-36
>>> cassette, and comparing a 32 vs 34 with 42-622 tires. Oddly, there’s no
>>> option for 44-622, but RH tires run a bit smaller than labeled.
>>> http://www.gear-calculator.com/?GR=DERS&KB=34&RZ=11,13,15,17,19,21,24,28,32,36&UF=2230&TF=90&SL=2.6&UN=MPH&DV=gearInches&GR2=DERS&KB2=32&RZ2=11,13,15,17,19,21,24,28,32,36&UF2=2230
>>>
>>> Here, I keep the 32, but change to a 54-622 tire:
>>>
>>> http://www.gear-calculator.com/?GR=DERS&KB=32&RZ=11,13,15,17,19,21,24,28,32,36&UF=2295&TF=90&SL=2.6&UN=MPH&DV=gearInches&GR2=DERS&KB2=32&RZ2=11,13,15,17,19,21,24,28,32,36&UF2=2230
>>>
>>> Get the bigger chainring!
>>>
>>> On Thursday, November 7, 2024 at 8:29:50 AM UTC-8 wboe...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
 It's hard for me to imagine that increasing your tire size is going to
 have much (any?) actual effect on speed.  Which I assume is what we're
 targeting here?  In my stable, once I get beyond 38mm, I take for granted
 that those bikes will be slower.  I'm not sure I can gauge how much slower
 29x2.2 is than, say 650x48.

 I'd stick with swapping out the chainring and see if that makes the
 difference you're looking for.  You could also shrink your cassette some to
 get smaller jumps between gears.

 Will

 On Thursday, November 7, 2024 at 9:49:42 AM UTC-5 DavidP wrote:

> Generally the way to increase tire diameter for a given wheel size is
> to increase the tire width. Do you have room for wider tires?
>
> It strikes me that using tire diameter to compensate for drivetrain
> gearing seems a bit like the tail wagging the dog. What kind of crank and
> bottom bracket setup does this bike have?
>
> -Dave
>
> On Tuesday

Re: [RBW] Re: Tire Recommendations (largest diameter)

[dane...@gmail.com]

If you want an even higher gear e13 9t cassettes are an option also. 

-Dan
On Wednesday, November 13, 2024 at 11:30:48 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> You definitely can make your highest gear higher by using bigger tires, 
> BUT the differences are small.  Let's look at the numbers objectively:
>
> Running a 32x11 as your highest gear on a bike with 700x44 wheels, you are 
> talking about a top gear that is roughly 81 gear inches.  Pedaling at 60RPM 
> you'll be going 14.5MPH.  Pedaling at 110RPM, you'll be going 26.6MPH.  81 
> gear inches is not that high a top gear.  
>
> Many cyclists complain that they spin out at 81 gear inches, and those 
> people self identify as mashers.  They like to push hard at low RPM.  They 
> don't want to pedal at 110RPM, but they want to go faster at lower cadence. 
>  That's cool.  Get higher gears to do it.  
>
> Going from a 32 to a 34 increases that top gear by about 6% to about 86.5 
> gear inches.  Pedaling slowly at 60RPM, you'll be going about 1 mile per 
> hour faster, 15.5MPH.  That's a small improvement
>
> Going from 44mm tires to 55mm tires increases the wheel diameter by 20mm. 
>  That's about a 3% increase in diameter, so it increases the gear inches by 
> about 3% to about 89 gear inches.  It's about HALF the benefit you got from 
> switching the chainring.  Now mashing at 60RPM will make you go another 
> half a mile per hour faster, to something like 16MPH.  
>
> Hypothetically if you could switch to a SRAM Eagle cassette which is 
> 10-52, then your top gear would jump up by ~10%.  In other words, switching 
> from an 11T to a 10T cog would make more of a difference than changing both 
> the chain ring and the tires.  That's simple, but it's expensive.  
>
> If you made all of the above changes, we're talking about an 18% increase. 
>  Hypothetically if you could train yourself to pedal 20% faster, then you'd 
> make more of an impact and do it for free.  Pedaling faster is free if you 
> are able to do it.  Many claim that spinning is more efficient also.  Many 
> claim that they are far more able to spin when running shorter cranks.  If 
> you are already a spinner and already maxing out at 26MPH or faster and 
> need to go still faster, then higher gearing is the way to go.  Best of 
> luck on all of it. 
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
> On Tuesday, November 12, 2024 at 12:41:26 PM UTC-8 robtw...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks. Oh, the bigger chainring up front is definitely happening.
>>
>> I'm running 44s and can go a bit wider, but I guess I was asking 
>> specifically for tires that people know are "taller" as well, that is that 
>> increase the overall diameter of the wheel. I appreciate the skepticism 
>> regarding the suggestion, but this is a VERY well known and trusted LBS, 
>> with excellent staff, who think about these things a lot in a variety of 
>> setups (not just Rivendell, Waterford, etc., though they do that too).
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 7, 2024 at 6:30 PM Drew Saunders  wrote:
>>
>>> You can use this handy tool to test. Here, I’m assuming a 11-36 
>>> cassette, and comparing a 32 vs 34 with 42-622 tires. Oddly, there’s no 
>>> option for 44-622, but RH tires run a bit smaller than labeled. 
>>> http://www.gear-calculator.com/?GR=DERS&KB=34&RZ=11,13,15,17,19,21,24,28,32,36&UF=2230&TF=90&SL=2.6&UN=MPH&DV=gearInches&GR2=DERS&KB2=32&RZ2=11,13,15,17,19,21,24,28,32,36&UF2=2230
>>>
>>> Here, I keep the 32, but change to a 54-622 tire:
>>>
>>> http://www.gear-calculator.com/?GR=DERS&KB=32&RZ=11,13,15,17,19,21,24,28,32,36&UF=2295&TF=90&SL=2.6&UN=MPH&DV=gearInches&GR2=DERS&KB2=32&RZ2=11,13,15,17,19,21,24,28,32,36&UF2=2230
>>>
>>> Get the bigger chainring!
>>>
>>> On Thursday, November 7, 2024 at 8:29:50 AM UTC-8 wboe...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 It's hard for me to imagine that increasing your tire size is going to 
 have much (any?) actual effect on speed.  Which I assume is what we're 
 targeting here?  In my stable, once I get beyond 38mm, I take for granted 
 that those bikes will be slower.  I'm not sure I can gauge how much slower 
 29x2.2 is than, say 650x48.

 I'd stick with swapping out the chainring and see if that makes the 
 difference you're looking for.  You could also shrink your cassette some 
 to 
 get smaller jumps between gears.

 Will

 On Thursday, November 7, 2024 at 9:49:42 AM UTC-5 DavidP wrote:

> Generally the way to increase tire diameter for a given wheel size is 
> to increase the tire width. Do you have room for wider tires?
>
> It strikes me that using tire diameter to compensate for drivetrain 
> gearing seems a bit like the tail wagging the dog. What kind of crank and 
> bottom bracket setup does this bike have? 
>
> -Dave
>
> On Tuesday, November 5, 2024 at 11:18:29 AM UTC-5 robtw...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> On one of my bikes I have 1x set-up. It's currently a 32T up front 
>> and the largest 

Re: [RBW] Re: Tire Recommendations (largest diameter)

[Bill Lindsay]

You definitely can make your highest gear higher by using bigger tires, BUT 
the differences are small.  Let's look at the numbers objectively:

Running a 32x11 as your highest gear on a bike with 700x44 wheels, you are 
talking about a top gear that is roughly 81 gear inches.  Pedaling at 60RPM 
you'll be going 14.5MPH.  Pedaling at 110RPM, you'll be going 26.6MPH.  81 
gear inches is not that high a top gear.  

Many cyclists complain that they spin out at 81 gear inches, and those 
people self identify as mashers.  They like to push hard at low RPM.  They 
don't want to pedal at 110RPM, but they want to go faster at lower cadence. 
 That's cool.  Get higher gears to do it.  

Going from a 32 to a 34 increases that top gear by about 6% to about 86.5 
gear inches.  Pedaling slowly at 60RPM, you'll be going about 1 mile per 
hour faster, 15.5MPH.  That's a small improvement

Going from 44mm tires to 55mm tires increases the wheel diameter by 20mm. 
 That's about a 3% increase in diameter, so it increases the gear inches by 
about 3% to about 89 gear inches.  It's about HALF the benefit you got from 
switching the chainring.  Now mashing at 60RPM will make you go another 
half a mile per hour faster, to something like 16MPH.  

Hypothetically if you could switch to a SRAM Eagle cassette which is 10-52, 
then your top gear would jump up by ~10%.  In other words, switching from 
an 11T to a 10T cog would make more of a difference than changing both the 
chain ring and the tires.  That's simple, but it's expensive.  

If you made all of the above changes, we're talking about an 18% increase. 
 Hypothetically if you could train yourself to pedal 20% faster, then you'd 
make more of an impact and do it for free.  Pedaling faster is free if you 
are able to do it.  Many claim that spinning is more efficient also.  Many 
claim that they are far more able to spin when running shorter cranks.  If 
you are already a spinner and already maxing out at 26MPH or faster and 
need to go still faster, then higher gearing is the way to go.  Best of 
luck on all of it. 

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA
On Tuesday, November 12, 2024 at 12:41:26 PM UTC-8 robtw...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks. Oh, the bigger chainring up front is definitely happening.
>
> I'm running 44s and can go a bit wider, but I guess I was asking 
> specifically for tires that people know are "taller" as well, that is that 
> increase the overall diameter of the wheel. I appreciate the skepticism 
> regarding the suggestion, but this is a VERY well known and trusted LBS, 
> with excellent staff, who think about these things a lot in a variety of 
> setups (not just Rivendell, Waterford, etc., though they do that too).
>
> On Thu, Nov 7, 2024 at 6:30 PM Drew Saunders  wrote:
>
>> You can use this handy tool to test. Here, I’m assuming a 11-36 cassette, 
>> and comparing a 32 vs 34 with 42-622 tires. Oddly, there’s no option for 
>> 44-622, but RH tires run a bit smaller than labeled. 
>> http://www.gear-calculator.com/?GR=DERS&KB=34&RZ=11,13,15,17,19,21,24,28,32,36&UF=2230&TF=90&SL=2.6&UN=MPH&DV=gearInches&GR2=DERS&KB2=32&RZ2=11,13,15,17,19,21,24,28,32,36&UF2=2230
>>
>> Here, I keep the 32, but change to a 54-622 tire:
>>
>> http://www.gear-calculator.com/?GR=DERS&KB=32&RZ=11,13,15,17,19,21,24,28,32,36&UF=2295&TF=90&SL=2.6&UN=MPH&DV=gearInches&GR2=DERS&KB2=32&RZ2=11,13,15,17,19,21,24,28,32,36&UF2=2230
>>
>> Get the bigger chainring!
>>
>> On Thursday, November 7, 2024 at 8:29:50 AM UTC-8 wboe...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It's hard for me to imagine that increasing your tire size is going to 
>>> have much (any?) actual effect on speed.  Which I assume is what we're 
>>> targeting here?  In my stable, once I get beyond 38mm, I take for granted 
>>> that those bikes will be slower.  I'm not sure I can gauge how much slower 
>>> 29x2.2 is than, say 650x48.
>>>
>>> I'd stick with swapping out the chainring and see if that makes the 
>>> difference you're looking for.  You could also shrink your cassette some to 
>>> get smaller jumps between gears.
>>>
>>> Will
>>>
>>> On Thursday, November 7, 2024 at 9:49:42 AM UTC-5 DavidP wrote:
>>>
 Generally the way to increase tire diameter for a given wheel size is 
 to increase the tire width. Do you have room for wider tires?

 It strikes me that using tire diameter to compensate for drivetrain 
 gearing seems a bit like the tail wagging the dog. What kind of crank and 
 bottom bracket setup does this bike have? 

 -Dave

 On Tuesday, November 5, 2024 at 11:18:29 AM UTC-5 robtw...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> On one of my bikes I have 1x set-up. It's currently a 32T up front and 
> the largest I can go is 34T. I think I want to do that as I want to be 
> able 
> to push a little harder.
>
> In conversations with my LBS they pointed out I could also go as large 
> as possible with my tires to increase the length of each revolution.
>
> I'm currentl

Re: [RBW] Re: Tire Recommendations (largest diameter)

[Bob Walicki]

Apologies for not being clear from the outset.

I'm currently running a 32T up front and a 11-51T in the rear. I am already
planning on going to 34T in the front, but it's the max with the current
non-boost crank (and hub). I appreciate everyone attempting to solve this
for me again.

I very much love the rec of the Schwobble Big Ben/Apple, Garth.

At this point, its really about just seeing if I can eke out anything extra
from the present setup. That's all.



On Fri, Nov 8, 2024 at 8:58 AM Johnny Alien 
wrote:

> I agree with everyone that you should fix the issue with the cassette and
> chainring. If you can't go to a lot of gears in the back then get a wide
> range cassette for whatever range the hub can handle. If you really want to
> push it that rear wide range will make the biggest difference although
> being capped at 34T will only get you so far. My Clem is a 1x9 that I use
> for general low energy riding/errands and I have a 36T in the front. Even
> that caps out pretty early with a standard range in the rear.
>
> On Friday, November 8, 2024 at 8:50:55 AM UTC-5 Will Boericke wrote:
>
>> I suppose if you were truly committed both to this frame and higher
>> gearing, you could get a rear wheel with a freehub designed to handle a 10t
>> small cog (XDR or the like) and eke out some higher gear inches that way
>>
>> Will
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 8, 2024 at 3:58 AM Garth  wrote:
>>
>>> The tallest tire profile I know of and ridden is the Schwobble Big
>>> Ben/Apple balloon series of tires. The Raceguard versions are the best ones
>>> and the BB is the same carcass with a more agressive tread. A 50mm version
>>> measures something like 45-46mm on a 19mm inner width rim but is notably
>>> taller than a typical tire of that width. They're simply fun to ride. I do
>>> think it's telling that of the many tires Riv has sold over the years, the
>>> BB has been a consistent offering for the last 10 years. "The perfect tire"
>>> Riv called them in the description. I agree.
>>>
>>> Do get the larger chainring regardless of the tire. The gains are very
>>> marginal though since the ring is limited to 34t, so don't expect anything
>>> dramatic.
>>> On Thursday, November 7, 2024 at 10:05:33 PM UTC-5 Ian A wrote:
>>>
 As Drew points out, adjusting the gearing by changing to a larger
 chainring is the best option. You may need a longer chain so try to time
 the chainring change with time for a new chain. It will be significantly
 cheaper to switch chain rings than buy new tires, especially RH quality
 ones.

 If you want to experiment with chain ring sizes, Aliexpress has some
 cheap options. Once you settle.on the ratio you prefer, invest in a nice
 quality chain ring for longterm useage.

 IanA


 On Thursday, November 7, 2024 at 4:30:00 PM UTC-8 Drew Saunders wrote:

 You can use this handy tool to test. Here, I’m assuming a 11-36
 cassette, and comparing a 32 vs 34 with 42-622 tires. Oddly, there’s no
 option for 44-622, but RH tires run a bit smaller than labeled.
 http://www.gear-calculator.com/?GR=DERS&KB=34&RZ=11,13,15,17,19,21,24,28,32,36&UF=2230&TF=90&SL=2.6&UN=MPH&DV=gearInches&GR2=DERS&KB2=32&RZ2=11,13,15,17,19,21,24,28,32,36&UF2=2230

 Here, I keep the 32, but change to a 54-622 tire:

 http://www.gear-calculator.com/?GR=DERS&KB=32&RZ=11,13,15,17,19,21,24,28,32,36&UF=2295&TF=90&SL=2.6&UN=MPH&DV=gearInches&GR2=DERS&KB2=32&RZ2=11,13,15,17,19,21,24,28,32,36&UF2=2230

 Get the bigger chainring!

 On Thursday, November 7, 2024 at 8:29:50 AM UTC-8 wboe...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 It's hard for me to imagine that increasing your tire size is going to
 have much (any?) actual effect on speed.  Which I assume is what we're
 targeting here?  In my stable, once I get beyond 38mm, I take for granted
 that those bikes will be slower.  I'm not sure I can gauge how much slower
 29x2.2 is than, say 650x48.

 I'd stick with swapping out the chainring and see if that makes the
 difference you're looking for.  You could also shrink your cassette some to
 get smaller jumps between gears.

 Will

 On Thursday, November 7, 2024 at 9:49:42 AM UTC-5 DavidP wrote:

 Generally the way to increase tire diameter for a given wheel size is
 to increase the tire width. Do you have room for wider tires?

 It strikes me that using tire diameter to compensate for drivetrain
 gearing seems a bit like the tail wagging the dog. What kind of crank and
 bottom bracket setup does this bike have?

 -Dave

 On Tuesday, November 5, 2024 at 11:18:29 AM UTC-5 robtw...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 On one of my bikes I have 1x set-up. It's currently a 32T up front and
 the largest I can go is 34T. I think I want to do that as I want to be able
 to push a little harder.

 In conversations with my LBS they pointed out I could 

Re: [RBW] Re: Tire Recommendations (largest diameter)

[Bob Walicki]

Thanks. Oh, the bigger chainring up front is definitely happening.

I'm running 44s and can go a bit wider, but I guess I was asking
specifically for tires that people know are "taller" as well, that is that
increase the overall diameter of the wheel. I appreciate the skepticism
regarding the suggestion, but this is a VERY well known and trusted LBS,
with excellent staff, who think about these things a lot in a variety of
setups (not just Rivendell, Waterford, etc., though they do that too).

On Thu, Nov 7, 2024 at 6:30 PM Drew Saunders 
wrote:

> You can use this handy tool to test. Here, I’m assuming a 11-36 cassette,
> and comparing a 32 vs 34 with 42-622 tires. Oddly, there’s no option for
> 44-622, but RH tires run a bit smaller than labeled.
> http://www.gear-calculator.com/?GR=DERS&KB=34&RZ=11,13,15,17,19,21,24,28,32,36&UF=2230&TF=90&SL=2.6&UN=MPH&DV=gearInches&GR2=DERS&KB2=32&RZ2=11,13,15,17,19,21,24,28,32,36&UF2=2230
>
> Here, I keep the 32, but change to a 54-622 tire:
>
> http://www.gear-calculator.com/?GR=DERS&KB=32&RZ=11,13,15,17,19,21,24,28,32,36&UF=2295&TF=90&SL=2.6&UN=MPH&DV=gearInches&GR2=DERS&KB2=32&RZ2=11,13,15,17,19,21,24,28,32,36&UF2=2230
>
> Get the bigger chainring!
>
> On Thursday, November 7, 2024 at 8:29:50 AM UTC-8 wboe...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> It's hard for me to imagine that increasing your tire size is going to
>> have much (any?) actual effect on speed.  Which I assume is what we're
>> targeting here?  In my stable, once I get beyond 38mm, I take for granted
>> that those bikes will be slower.  I'm not sure I can gauge how much slower
>> 29x2.2 is than, say 650x48.
>>
>> I'd stick with swapping out the chainring and see if that makes the
>> difference you're looking for.  You could also shrink your cassette some to
>> get smaller jumps between gears.
>>
>> Will
>>
>> On Thursday, November 7, 2024 at 9:49:42 AM UTC-5 DavidP wrote:
>>
>>> Generally the way to increase tire diameter for a given wheel size is to
>>> increase the tire width. Do you have room for wider tires?
>>>
>>> It strikes me that using tire diameter to compensate for drivetrain
>>> gearing seems a bit like the tail wagging the dog. What kind of crank and
>>> bottom bracket setup does this bike have?
>>>
>>> -Dave
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 5, 2024 at 11:18:29 AM UTC-5 robtw...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
 On one of my bikes I have 1x set-up. It's currently a 32T up front and
 the largest I can go is 34T. I think I want to do that as I want to be able
 to push a little harder.

 In conversations with my LBS they pointed out I could also go as large
 as possible with my tires to increase the length of each revolution.

 I'm currently running 700x44 Snowqualmies (RH). I definitely have
 clearance for "taller" tires, but I'm at a loss for even starting a search
 like this.

 Anyone have recs?

 TIA
 Bob

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Re: [RBW] Re: Tire Recommendations (largest diameter)

[Johnny Alien]

I agree with everyone that you should fix the issue with the cassette and 
chainring. If you can't go to a lot of gears in the back then get a wide 
range cassette for whatever range the hub can handle. If you really want to 
push it that rear wide range will make the biggest difference although 
being capped at 34T will only get you so far. My Clem is a 1x9 that I use 
for general low energy riding/errands and I have a 36T in the front. Even 
that caps out pretty early with a standard range in the rear.

On Friday, November 8, 2024 at 8:50:55 AM UTC-5 Will Boericke wrote:

> I suppose if you were truly committed both to this frame and higher 
> gearing, you could get a rear wheel with a freehub designed to handle a 10t 
> small cog (XDR or the like) and eke out some higher gear inches that way
>
> Will
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 8, 2024 at 3:58 AM Garth  wrote:
>
>> The tallest tire profile I know of and ridden is the Schwobble Big 
>> Ben/Apple balloon series of tires. The Raceguard versions are the best ones 
>> and the BB is the same carcass with a more agressive tread. A 50mm version 
>> measures something like 45-46mm on a 19mm inner width rim but is notably 
>> taller than a typical tire of that width. They're simply fun to ride. I do 
>> think it's telling that of the many tires Riv has sold over the years, the 
>> BB has been a consistent offering for the last 10 years. "The perfect tire" 
>> Riv called them in the description. I agree. 
>>
>> Do get the larger chainring regardless of the tire. The gains are very 
>> marginal though since the ring is limited to 34t, so don't expect anything 
>> dramatic. 
>> On Thursday, November 7, 2024 at 10:05:33 PM UTC-5 Ian A wrote:
>>
>>> As Drew points out, adjusting the gearing by changing to a larger 
>>> chainring is the best option. You may need a longer chain so try to time 
>>> the chainring change with time for a new chain. It will be significantly 
>>> cheaper to switch chain rings than buy new tires, especially RH quality 
>>> ones.
>>>
>>> If you want to experiment with chain ring sizes, Aliexpress has some 
>>> cheap options. Once you settle.on the ratio you prefer, invest in a nice 
>>> quality chain ring for longterm useage.
>>>
>>> IanA
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, November 7, 2024 at 4:30:00 PM UTC-8 Drew Saunders wrote:
>>>
>>> You can use this handy tool to test. Here, I’m assuming a 11-36 
>>> cassette, and comparing a 32 vs 34 with 42-622 tires. Oddly, there’s no 
>>> option for 44-622, but RH tires run a bit smaller than labeled. 
>>> http://www.gear-calculator.com/?GR=DERS&KB=34&RZ=11,13,15,17,19,21,24,28,32,36&UF=2230&TF=90&SL=2.6&UN=MPH&DV=gearInches&GR2=DERS&KB2=32&RZ2=11,13,15,17,19,21,24,28,32,36&UF2=2230
>>>
>>> Here, I keep the 32, but change to a 54-622 tire:
>>>
>>> http://www.gear-calculator.com/?GR=DERS&KB=32&RZ=11,13,15,17,19,21,24,28,32,36&UF=2295&TF=90&SL=2.6&UN=MPH&DV=gearInches&GR2=DERS&KB2=32&RZ2=11,13,15,17,19,21,24,28,32,36&UF2=2230
>>>
>>> Get the bigger chainring!
>>>
>>> On Thursday, November 7, 2024 at 8:29:50 AM UTC-8 wboe...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> It's hard for me to imagine that increasing your tire size is going to 
>>> have much (any?) actual effect on speed.  Which I assume is what we're 
>>> targeting here?  In my stable, once I get beyond 38mm, I take for granted 
>>> that those bikes will be slower.  I'm not sure I can gauge how much slower 
>>> 29x2.2 is than, say 650x48.
>>>
>>> I'd stick with swapping out the chainring and see if that makes the 
>>> difference you're looking for.  You could also shrink your cassette some to 
>>> get smaller jumps between gears.
>>>
>>> Will
>>>
>>> On Thursday, November 7, 2024 at 9:49:42 AM UTC-5 DavidP wrote:
>>>
>>> Generally the way to increase tire diameter for a given wheel size is to 
>>> increase the tire width. Do you have room for wider tires?
>>>
>>> It strikes me that using tire diameter to compensate for drivetrain 
>>> gearing seems a bit like the tail wagging the dog. What kind of crank and 
>>> bottom bracket setup does this bike have? 
>>>
>>> -Dave
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 5, 2024 at 11:18:29 AM UTC-5 robtw...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On one of my bikes I have 1x set-up. It's currently a 32T up front and 
>>> the largest I can go is 34T. I think I want to do that as I want to be able 
>>> to push a little harder.
>>>
>>> In conversations with my LBS they pointed out I could also go as large 
>>> as possible with my tires to increase the length of each revolution.
>>>
>>> I'm currently running 700x44 Snowqualmies (RH). I definitely have 
>>> clearance for "taller" tires, but I'm at a loss for even starting a search 
>>> like this.
>>>
>>> Anyone have recs?
>>>
>>> TIA
>>> Bob
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Tire Recommendations (largest diameter)

[Will Boericke]

I suppose if you were truly committed both to this frame and higher
gearing, you could get a rear wheel with a freehub designed to handle a 10t
small cog (XDR or the like) and eke out some higher gear inches that way

Will



On Fri, Nov 8, 2024 at 3:58 AM Garth  wrote:

> The tallest tire profile I know of and ridden is the Schwobble Big
> Ben/Apple balloon series of tires. The Raceguard versions are the best ones
> and the BB is the same carcass with a more agressive tread. A 50mm version
> measures something like 45-46mm on a 19mm inner width rim but is notably
> taller than a typical tire of that width. They're simply fun to ride. I do
> think it's telling that of the many tires Riv has sold over the years, the
> BB has been a consistent offering for the last 10 years. "The perfect tire"
> Riv called them in the description. I agree.
>
> Do get the larger chainring regardless of the tire. The gains are very
> marginal though since the ring is limited to 34t, so don't expect anything
> dramatic.
> On Thursday, November 7, 2024 at 10:05:33 PM UTC-5 Ian A wrote:
>
>> As Drew points out, adjusting the gearing by changing to a larger
>> chainring is the best option. You may need a longer chain so try to time
>> the chainring change with time for a new chain. It will be significantly
>> cheaper to switch chain rings than buy new tires, especially RH quality
>> ones.
>>
>> If you want to experiment with chain ring sizes, Aliexpress has some
>> cheap options. Once you settle.on the ratio you prefer, invest in a nice
>> quality chain ring for longterm useage.
>>
>> IanA
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, November 7, 2024 at 4:30:00 PM UTC-8 Drew Saunders wrote:
>>
>> You can use this handy tool to test. Here, I’m assuming a 11-36 cassette,
>> and comparing a 32 vs 34 with 42-622 tires. Oddly, there’s no option for
>> 44-622, but RH tires run a bit smaller than labeled.
>> http://www.gear-calculator.com/?GR=DERS&KB=34&RZ=11,13,15,17,19,21,24,28,32,36&UF=2230&TF=90&SL=2.6&UN=MPH&DV=gearInches&GR2=DERS&KB2=32&RZ2=11,13,15,17,19,21,24,28,32,36&UF2=2230
>>
>> Here, I keep the 32, but change to a 54-622 tire:
>>
>> http://www.gear-calculator.com/?GR=DERS&KB=32&RZ=11,13,15,17,19,21,24,28,32,36&UF=2295&TF=90&SL=2.6&UN=MPH&DV=gearInches&GR2=DERS&KB2=32&RZ2=11,13,15,17,19,21,24,28,32,36&UF2=2230
>>
>> Get the bigger chainring!
>>
>> On Thursday, November 7, 2024 at 8:29:50 AM UTC-8 wboe...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>> It's hard for me to imagine that increasing your tire size is going to
>> have much (any?) actual effect on speed.  Which I assume is what we're
>> targeting here?  In my stable, once I get beyond 38mm, I take for granted
>> that those bikes will be slower.  I'm not sure I can gauge how much slower
>> 29x2.2 is than, say 650x48.
>>
>> I'd stick with swapping out the chainring and see if that makes the
>> difference you're looking for.  You could also shrink your cassette some to
>> get smaller jumps between gears.
>>
>> Will
>>
>> On Thursday, November 7, 2024 at 9:49:42 AM UTC-5 DavidP wrote:
>>
>> Generally the way to increase tire diameter for a given wheel size is to
>> increase the tire width. Do you have room for wider tires?
>>
>> It strikes me that using tire diameter to compensate for drivetrain
>> gearing seems a bit like the tail wagging the dog. What kind of crank and
>> bottom bracket setup does this bike have?
>>
>> -Dave
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 5, 2024 at 11:18:29 AM UTC-5 robtw...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>> On one of my bikes I have 1x set-up. It's currently a 32T up front and
>> the largest I can go is 34T. I think I want to do that as I want to be able
>> to push a little harder.
>>
>> In conversations with my LBS they pointed out I could also go as large as
>> possible with my tires to increase the length of each revolution.
>>
>> I'm currently running 700x44 Snowqualmies (RH). I definitely have
>> clearance for "taller" tires, but I'm at a loss for even starting a search
>> like this.
>>
>> Anyone have recs?
>>
>> TIA
>> Bob
>>
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