RE: [RBW] Re: What's your winter project?

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

“snarkometer” = genius

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Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: What's your winter project?

... that one damn near busted my 'snarkometer'... You're 'to' funny, Bill...

... and so are you, Steve.


On Thursday, January 15, 2015 at 2:29:55 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
## Max Sarcasm Subroutine -INITIATE- ##

To bad, Bobby, despite what you have determined empirically, Steve trumps your 
data with his interpretation of what is in-between the lines of what Jan has 
written about tires.  Steve says the subtext behind Jan's writings imply that 
Compass tires are the best 559 tires available, and they could be improved on.  
ERGO-not great, by definintion.  CASE CLOSED.

## Max Sarcasm Subroutine -TERMINATE- ##

On Thursday, January 15, 2015 at 8:02:09 AM UTC-8, Montclair BobbyB wrote:
Steve:  The aforementioned tires have already proven their greatness to me on 
my bikes; that is all that really matters, right?

One I didn't mention is the Grand Tycoon brick reds... Soft, grippy and fast... 
And cheap!!!
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Re: [RBW] Re: What's your winter project?

[Montclair BobbyB]

... that one damn near busted my 'snarkometer'... You're '*to*' funny, 
Bill...
 
... and so are you, Steve.
 

On Thursday, January 15, 2015 at 2:29:55 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:

> ## Max Sarcasm Subroutine -INITIATE- ## 
>
> To bad, Bobby, despite what you have determined empirically, Steve trumps 
> your data with his interpretation of what is in-between the lines of what 
> Jan has written about tires.  Steve says the subtext behind Jan's writings 
> imply that Compass tires are the best 559 tires available, and they could 
> be improved on.  ERGO-not great, by definintion.  CASE CLOSED.
>
> ## Max Sarcasm Subroutine -TERMINATE- ##
>
> On Thursday, January 15, 2015 at 8:02:09 AM UTC-8, Montclair BobbyB wrote: 
>>
>> Steve:  The aforementioned tires have already proven their greatness to 
>> me on my bikes; that is all that really matters, right? 
>>
>> One I didn't mention is the Grand Tycoon brick reds... Soft, grippy and 
>> fast... And cheap!!!
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: What's your winter project?

[EGNolan]

Well...winter has taken hold, I suppose. Thanks for the correction, Bill, I 
still can't believe you misspelled too. Anywho,  I've got an old, too 
small, fillet brazed High Sierra w/ some sweet Cunningham/SunTour brakes 
that needs a new bb & a few upgrades. I'll build it up w/ what I've got 
around & see how fat I can go. If'n I throw some studs on it, it oughta 
make a decent kid/trailer hauler for those icy Indiana days. 
Here's to hoping all goes as planned for everybody.
 
Best,
Eric
Indpls
 
On Thursday, January 15, 2015 at 3:44:49 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:

> "You'd best break out the graphic debugger, Bill, because your sarcasm 
> subroutine is producing garbage results."
>
>
> You are absolutely correct.  I typed "To bad, Bobby," when obviously I 
>> should have typed "Too bad, Bobby".  Thank you for your always constructive 
>> criticism.   
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: What's your winter project?

[Kieran J]

Best thread of 2015 !


On Thursday, January 15, 2015 at 3:44:49 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> "You'd best break out the graphic debugger, Bill, because your sarcasm 
> subroutine is producing garbage results."
>
>
> You are absolutely correct.  I typed "To bad, Bobby," when obviously I 
>> should have typed "Too bad, Bobby".  Thank you for your always constructive 
>> criticism.   
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: What's your winter project?

[Bill Lindsay]

"You'd best break out the graphic debugger, Bill, because your sarcasm 
subroutine is producing garbage results."


You are absolutely correct.  I typed "To bad, Bobby," when obviously I 
> should have typed "Too bad, Bobby".  Thank you for your always constructive 
> criticism.   
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: What's your winter project?

[Steve Palincsar]

On 01/15/2015 02:44 PM, Chris Chen wrote:

Unfrozen caveman lawyer, everyone!

On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 11:29 AM, Bill Lindsay > wrote:


## Max Sarcasm Subroutine -INITIATE- ##

To bad, Bobby, despite what you have determined empirically, Steve
trumps your data with his interpretation of what is in-between the
lines of what Jan has written about tires.  Steve says the subtext
behind Jan's writings imply that Compass tires are the best 559
tires available, and they could be improved on.  ERGO-not great,
by definintion.  CASE CLOSED.

## Max Sarcasm Subroutine -TERMINATE- ##



You'd best break out the graphic debugger, Bill, because your sarcasm 
subroutine is producing garbage results.




On Thursday, January 15, 2015 at 8:02:09 AM UTC-8, Montclair
BobbyB wrote:

Steve:  The aforementioned tires have already proven their
greatness to me on my bikes; that is all that really matters,
right?

One I didn't mention is the Grand Tycoon brick reds... Soft,
grippy and fast... And cheap!!!

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Re: [RBW] Re: What's your winter project?

[Chris Chen]

Unfrozen caveman lawyer, everyone!

On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 11:29 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> ## Max Sarcasm Subroutine -INITIATE- ##
>
> To bad, Bobby, despite what you have determined empirically, Steve trumps
> your data with his interpretation of what is in-between the lines of what
> Jan has written about tires.  Steve says the subtext behind Jan's writings
> imply that Compass tires are the best 559 tires available, and they could
> be improved on.  ERGO-not great, by definintion.  CASE CLOSED.
>
> ## Max Sarcasm Subroutine -TERMINATE- ##
>
>
> On Thursday, January 15, 2015 at 8:02:09 AM UTC-8, Montclair BobbyB wrote:
>>
>> Steve:  The aforementioned tires have already proven their greatness to
>> me on my bikes; that is all that really matters, right?
>>
>> One I didn't mention is the Grand Tycoon brick reds... Soft, grippy and
>> fast... And cheap!!!
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: What's your winter project?

[Bill Lindsay]

## Max Sarcasm Subroutine -INITIATE- ##

To bad, Bobby, despite what you have determined empirically, Steve trumps 
your data with his interpretation of what is in-between the lines of what 
Jan has written about tires.  Steve says the subtext behind Jan's writings 
imply that Compass tires are the best 559 tires available, and they could 
be improved on.  ERGO-not great, by definintion.  CASE CLOSED.

## Max Sarcasm Subroutine -TERMINATE- ##

On Thursday, January 15, 2015 at 8:02:09 AM UTC-8, Montclair BobbyB wrote:
>
> Steve:  The aforementioned tires have already proven their greatness to me 
> on my bikes; that is all that really matters, right? 
>
> One I didn't mention is the Grand Tycoon brick reds... Soft, grippy and 
> fast... And cheap!!!

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Re: [RBW] Re: What's your winter project?

[Montclair BobbyB]

Steve:  The aforementioned tires have already proven their greatness to me on 
my bikes; that is all that really matters, right?

One I didn't mention is the Grand Tycoon brick reds... Soft, grippy and fast... 
And cheap!!!

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Re: [RBW] Re: What's your winter project?

[Steve Palincsar]

On 01/14/2015 05:40 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote:

Steve

Does the Compass 26x1.75 tire qualify as GREAT with you?
Does the Compass 26x1.5 tire qualify as GREAT with you?

In other words, does /virtually no great tires /mean Zero?  Or One? 
 Or Two?


"Virtually" does allow for one or two great tires.  However, I think we 
can surmise based on some passing comments in a recent BQ article that 
Jan himself sees room for improvement (i.e., bringing the 559 offerings 
up to the same standard as the other Compass sizes) so perhaps they'd 
best be considered as "very good" rather than "great".  It's even 
possible to view [reading between the lines, to be sure] recent comments 
in his blog regarding his policy of not commenting on new products 
before they are issued as a hint that such improvements may in fact be 
in the offing.




When Tim said Grand Bois, I assumed he /meant/ these two Compass models.


I'm confident that's what he meant, too.



On Wednesday, January 14, 2015 at 2:10:55 PM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar 
wrote:


On 01/14/2015 04:40 PM, Tim McNamara wrote:

On Jan 13, 2015, at 11:08 AM, Steve Palincsar  
  wrote:


On 01/13/2015 11:20 AM, Montclair BobbyB wrote:
Yeah, why bother with 650b when there are so many great tire options for 
26"??


Because there are virtually no great road tire options for 26"?

Panaracer Pasela, Specialized, Grand Bois, Schwalbe...  There are a bunch of 
good road tire options for 26" wheels.



There aren't any Grand Bois tires in 559 that I am aware of.  As
for the rest, yes certainly a bunch of /good/ tires, but Bobby
said /great./

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Re: [RBW] Re: What's your winter project?

[Bill Lindsay]

Steve

Does the Compass 26x1.75 tire qualify as GREAT with you?
Does the Compass 26x1.5 tire qualify as GREAT with you?

In other words, does *virtually no great tires *mean Zero?  Or One?  Or Two?

When Tim said Grand Bois, I assumed he *meant* these two Compass models.  

Bill

On Wednesday, January 14, 2015 at 2:10:55 PM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>  On 01/14/2015 04:40 PM, Tim McNamara wrote:
>  
>  On Jan 13, 2015, at 11:08 AM, Steve Palincsar   
> wrote:
>
>
>  On 01/13/2015 11:20 AM, Montclair BobbyB wrote:
> Yeah, why bother with 650b when there are so many great tire options for 26"??
>
>
>  Because there are virtually no great road tire options for 26"?
>
>  Panaracer Pasela, Specialized, Grand Bois, Schwalbe...  There are a bunch of 
> good road tire options for 26" wheels.
>
>
>  
> There aren't any Grand Bois tires in 559 that I am aware of.  As for the 
> rest, yes certainly a bunch of *good* tires, but Bobby said *great.*
>  

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Re: [RBW] Re: What's your winter project?

[Steve Palincsar]

On 01/14/2015 04:40 PM, Tim McNamara wrote:





On Jan 13, 2015, at 11:08 AM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:


On 01/13/2015 11:20 AM, Montclair BobbyB wrote:
Yeah, why bother with 650b when there are so many great tire options for 26"??


Because there are virtually no great road tire options for 26"?

Panaracer Pasela, Specialized, Grand Bois, Schwalbe...  There are a bunch of good 
road tire options for 26" wheels.



There aren't any Grand Bois tires in 559 that I am aware of.  As for the 
rest, yes certainly a bunch of /good/ tires, but Bobby said /great./


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Re: [RBW] Re: What's your winter project?

[Tim McNamara]

> On Jan 13, 2015, at 11:08 AM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> 
>> On 01/13/2015 11:20 AM, Montclair BobbyB wrote:
>> Yeah, why bother with 650b when there are so many great tire options for 
>> 26"??
>> 
> 
> Because there are virtually no great road tire options for 26"?

Panaracer Pasela, Specialized, Grand Bois, Schwalbe...  There are a bunch of 
good road tire options for 26" wheels.

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Re: [RBW] Re: What's your winter project?

[Montclair BobbyB]

Wow, those ARE some cool treads.  

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Re: [RBW] Re: What's your winter project?

[Tim Gavin]

Yes, they're awesome tires.  Fast and fun.  Mine are last-gen MK2's at
26x2.1" in the BMX compound/72tpi.  I bet the dual compound/185tpi
Speedsters are even faster tires (but I prefer the tread of the MK).

On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 1:14 PM, Chris Chen  wrote:

> Oh my, Tim, those are gorgeous looking tires. Me gusta.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: What's your winter project?

[Chris Chen]

Oh my, Tim, those are gorgeous looking tires. Me gusta.

On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 10:54 AM, Tim Gavin 
wrote:

> Compass tires 26" offerings seem quite nice, but I wish they'd offer an
> even wider 2" version.  I haven't tried the Kojaks personally.  I like the
> Schwalbe ballooners; I've tried the Fat Frank and Big Apple, but I find
> them to ride more sluggishly than my favorite 26" tire:
>
> I can't stop raving about the ITS MK2 micro-knobby tires on my KOM
> (26x2.1").  Vee Rubber makes them now, as the:
> Speedster 26 x 2.1", 185TPI! for $45
> 
>  dual
> compound (also in 1.75"
> 
> and 1.95"
> 
> 185TPI)
> Speedster 26 x 2.125 120TPI for $35
> 
>  low
> specific gravity (BMX compound)
> MK3 26 x 2.25" 72 TPI for $37
> 
> low specific gravity (I love the micro-knobby tread!)
>
> These are excellent, fast tires on any road.  They're great on pavement,
> gravel, and dirt.  And I've had no punctures in a year of serious gravel
> and city commute riding, even though they lack a puncture protection
> layer.  For comparison: I've roughly split riding time between my KOM with
> these tires and my Riv Road on Lierres, and the Lierres got a glass or
> debris puncture roughly once a month.
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 11:08 AM, Steve Palincsar 
> wrote:
>
>> On 01/13/2015 11:20 AM, Montclair BobbyB wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, why bother with 650b when there are so many great tire options for
>>> 26"??
>>>
>>>
>> Because there are virtually no great road tire options for 26"?
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: What's your winter project?

[Tim Gavin]

Compass tires 26" offerings seem quite nice, but I wish they'd offer an
even wider 2" version.  I haven't tried the Kojaks personally.  I like the
Schwalbe ballooners; I've tried the Fat Frank and Big Apple, but I find
them to ride more sluggishly than my favorite 26" tire:

I can't stop raving about the ITS MK2 micro-knobby tires on my KOM
(26x2.1").  Vee Rubber makes them now, as the:
Speedster 26 x 2.1", 185TPI! for $45

dual
compound (also in 1.75"

and 1.95"

185TPI)
Speedster 26 x 2.125 120TPI for $35

low
specific gravity (BMX compound)
MK3 26 x 2.25" 72 TPI for $37

low specific gravity (I love the micro-knobby tread!)

These are excellent, fast tires on any road.  They're great on pavement,
gravel, and dirt.  And I've had no punctures in a year of serious gravel
and city commute riding, even though they lack a puncture protection
layer.  For comparison: I've roughly split riding time between my KOM with
these tires and my Riv Road on Lierres, and the Lierres got a glass or
debris puncture roughly once a month.




On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 11:08 AM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:

> On 01/13/2015 11:20 AM, Montclair BobbyB wrote:
>
>> Yeah, why bother with 650b when there are so many great tire options for
>> 26"??
>>
>>
> Because there are virtually no great road tire options for 26"?
>
>

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RE: [RBW] Re: What's your winter project?

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

The Compass 26” tires are not Hetres, but have a lovely, supple ride and I 
would characterize them as road tires.

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Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: What's your winter project?

Steve:

For starters there's Schwalbe Big Apple and Kojaks, which come in multiple 
widths, perfect for roadin'.  And we are talking about a Rockhopper, which is 
made for fat tires.

Here's my son's Rockhopper with the biggest Fat Franks... Still rolls great on 
50-mile roads and on all kinds of terrain.  That said, I do wish the GB Hetres 
came in a 26... just sayin...


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On Tuesday, January 13, 2015 at 12:08:42 PM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote:
On 01/13/2015 11:20 AM, Montclair BobbyB wrote:
> Yeah, why bother with 650b when there are so many great tire options for 26"??
>

Because there are virtually no great road tire options for 26"?

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Re: [RBW] Re: What's your winter project?

[Chris Chen]

I mean there's nothing to keep you from going to 584 in the future; And
you'll only be out $70 for the tires; And you'll probably be able to sell
them here :)

But yeah look at those balloons!

On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 10:17 AM, Dale Click  wrote:

> OK then, I’m sticking with the 26….I like the idea of going with the Fat
> Franks or Big Apple…. my LBS agrees, and wants to see the condition of the
> bike for further suggestions.  They’re looking forward to my project almost
> as much as I am, and that’s one of the reasons I’ll go out of my way to
> work with them.
>
>
>
> Rusty
> Pittsburgh
>
>
>
> On Jan 13, 2015, at 12:46 PM, Montclair BobbyB 
> wrote:
>
> Steve:
>
> For starters there's Schwalbe Big Apple and Kojaks, which come in multiple
> widths, perfect for roadin'.  And we are talking about a Rockhopper, which
> is made for fat tires.
>
> Here's my son's Rockhopper with the biggest Fat Franks... Still rolls
> great on 50-mile roads and on all kinds of terrain.  That said, I do wish
> the GB Hetres came in a 26... just sayin...
>
>
> 
>
>
> On Tuesday, January 13, 2015 at 12:08:42 PM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>>
>> On 01/13/2015 11:20 AM, Montclair BobbyB wrote:
>> > Yeah, why bother with 650b when there are so many great tire options
>> for 26"??
>> >
>>
>> Because there are virtually no great road tire options for 26"?
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: What's your winter project?

[Dale Click]

OK then, I’m sticking with the 26….I like the idea of going with the Fat Franks 
or Big Apple…. my LBS agrees, and wants to see the condition of the bike for 
further suggestions.  They’re looking forward to my project almost as much as I 
am, and that’s one of the reasons I’ll go out of my way to work with them.



Rusty
Pittsburgh



> On Jan 13, 2015, at 12:46 PM, Montclair BobbyB  
> wrote:
> 
> Steve:
> 
> For starters there's Schwalbe Big Apple and Kojaks, which come in multiple 
> widths, perfect for roadin'.  And we are talking about a Rockhopper, which is 
> made for fat tires. 
> 
> Here's my son's Rockhopper with the biggest Fat Franks... Still rolls great 
> on 50-mile roads and on all kinds of terrain.  That said, I do wish the GB 
> Hetres came in a 26... just sayin...
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> On Tuesday, January 13, 2015 at 12:08:42 PM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote:
> On 01/13/2015 11:20 AM, Montclair BobbyB wrote: 
> > Yeah, why bother with 650b when there are so many great tire options for 
> > 26"?? 
> > 
> 
> Because there are virtually no great road tire options for 26"? 
> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: What's your winter project?

[Montclair BobbyB]

Steve:

For starters there's Schwalbe Big Apple and Kojaks, which come in multiple 
widths, perfect for roadin'.  And we are talking about a Rockhopper, which 
is made for fat tires. 

Here's my son's Rockhopper with the biggest Fat Franks... Still rolls great 
on 50-mile roads and on all kinds of terrain.  That said, I do wish the GB 
Hetres came in a 26... just sayin...




On Tuesday, January 13, 2015 at 12:08:42 PM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> On 01/13/2015 11:20 AM, Montclair BobbyB wrote: 
> > Yeah, why bother with 650b when there are so many great tire options for 
> 26"?? 
> > 
>
> Because there are virtually no great road tire options for 26"? 
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: What's your winter project?

[Steve Palincsar]

On 01/13/2015 11:20 AM, Montclair BobbyB wrote:

Yeah, why bother with 650b when there are so many great tire options for 26"??



Because there are virtually no great road tire options for 26"?


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Re: [RBW] Re: What's your winter project?

[Montclair BobbyB]

Yeah, why bother with 650b when there are so many great tire options for 26"??  

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Re: [RBW] Re: What's your winter project?

[Chris Chen]

Totally bunk back of the envelope calculation says that a 559 rim with 60mm
tires gets you to 679mm diameter (this is most certainly more than what
you'll see but bear with me, which equals a tire 47.5mm big on 584 rims.

So, you've got that "data" point anyway.

On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 3:52 PM, Dale Click  wrote:

> I don’t know!  It’s worth taking a look at, an would help to keep the
> initial costs down.  That will be something I will question the LBS about.
>
> Rusty
>
> On Jan 12, 2015, at 6:49 PM, Chris Chen  wrote:
>
> Sounds fun!
>
> QQ does putting fat franks on a 26" wheel get you close to the outside
> diameter of a "just normally fat" 650b setup?
>
> On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 3:43 PM, Rusty Click  wrote:
>
>> My project will be a 650b conversion of my old, mid 80's Rockhopper,
>> which will soon be back in my garage after spending the last 11 years with
>> a co-worker.
>> I'd like to go with a wide-low front end with no FD, but everything else
>> is up in the air till I get my hands back on my old bike.  I don't know
>> what width tires it'll accommodate either.  When I see it, and start taking
>> it apart, I'll post a wish list of items needing attention, and would like
>> any feedback/advice on how to approach.  I may take it to my favorite LBS,
>> Thick Bikes, for their input too.  They have never nudged me in the wrong
>> direction.
>>
>> Like Andy, my riding here in the Pittsburgh area is limited during the
>> winter.   I think working on this is going to be a very fun learning
>> experience and I am really looking forward to it taking up some time. ( So
>> is my wife )
>>
>> Rusty Click
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 17, 2014 at 5:37:11 AM UTC-5, ascpgh wrote:
>>>
>>> Riding, besides my commutes, get a bit scant from here on out through
>>> winter. The season, the holidays, more deliberate prep for a trip in the
>>> conditions, plenty of things distract from just a nice ride but I realize
>>> that at this time every year I always seem to contemplate a bike project to
>>> go with the anticipated springtime, fruition or not. It's biking fun for
>>> the extra bandwidth.
>>>
>>> My project is a low trail, 650b wheeled, all-around bike made with a
>>> lively tube set (versus sturdy for touring) with drop bars, center pull
>>> brakes, generator hub, LED lighting. All on a budget recognizing the value
>>> of experience, unlike the box bike/mass market interpretation, handmade
>>> wheels versus machine made ones as an example. I am reading and including
>>> many posting subjects and items in this project and admit that may not
>>> reach reality, but it's fun to have on the drawing board.
>>>
>>> Andy Cheatham
>>> Pittsburgh
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: What's your winter project?

[Dale Click]

I don’t know!  It’s worth taking a look at, an would help to keep the initial 
costs down.  That will be something I will question the LBS about.

Rusty
> On Jan 12, 2015, at 6:49 PM, Chris Chen  wrote:
> 
> Sounds fun!
> 
> QQ does putting fat franks on a 26" wheel get you close to the outside 
> diameter of a "just normally fat" 650b setup?
> 
> On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 3:43 PM, Rusty Click  > wrote:
> My project will be a 650b conversion of my old, mid 80's Rockhopper, which 
> will soon be back in my garage after spending the last 11 years with a 
> co-worker.
> I'd like to go with a wide-low front end with no FD, but everything else is 
> up in the air till I get my hands back on my old bike.  I don't know what 
> width tires it'll accommodate either.  When I see it, and start taking it 
> apart, I'll post a wish list of items needing attention, and would like any 
> feedback/advice on how to approach.  I may take it to my favorite LBS, Thick 
> Bikes, for their input too.  They have never nudged me in the wrong direction.
> 
> Like Andy, my riding here in the Pittsburgh area is limited during the 
> winter.   I think working on this is going to be a very fun learning 
> experience and I am really looking forward to it taking up some time. ( So is 
> my wife )
> 
> Rusty Click
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, December 17, 2014 at 5:37:11 AM UTC-5, ascpgh wrote:
> Riding, besides my commutes, get a bit scant from here on out through winter. 
> The season, the holidays, more deliberate prep for a trip in the conditions, 
> plenty of things distract from just a nice ride but I realize that at this 
> time every year I always seem to contemplate a bike project to go with the 
> anticipated springtime, fruition or not. It's biking fun for the extra 
> bandwidth.
> 
> My project is a low trail, 650b wheeled, all-around bike made with a lively 
> tube set (versus sturdy for touring) with drop bars, center pull brakes, 
> generator hub, LED lighting. All on a budget recognizing the value of 
> experience, unlike the box bike/mass market interpretation, handmade wheels 
> versus machine made ones as an example. I am reading and including many 
> posting subjects and items in this project and admit that may not reach 
> reality, but it's fun to have on the drawing board.
> 
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
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Re: [RBW] Re: What's your winter project?

[Chris Chen]

Sounds fun!

QQ does putting fat franks on a 26" wheel get you close to the outside
diameter of a "just normally fat" 650b setup?

On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 3:43 PM, Rusty Click  wrote:

> My project will be a 650b conversion of my old, mid 80's Rockhopper, which
> will soon be back in my garage after spending the last 11 years with a
> co-worker.
> I'd like to go with a wide-low front end with no FD, but everything else
> is up in the air till I get my hands back on my old bike.  I don't know
> what width tires it'll accommodate either.  When I see it, and start taking
> it apart, I'll post a wish list of items needing attention, and would like
> any feedback/advice on how to approach.  I may take it to my favorite LBS,
> Thick Bikes, for their input too.  They have never nudged me in the wrong
> direction.
>
> Like Andy, my riding here in the Pittsburgh area is limited during the
> winter.   I think working on this is going to be a very fun learning
> experience and I am really looking forward to it taking up some time. ( So
> is my wife )
>
> Rusty Click
>
>
> On Wednesday, December 17, 2014 at 5:37:11 AM UTC-5, ascpgh wrote:
>>
>> Riding, besides my commutes, get a bit scant from here on out through
>> winter. The season, the holidays, more deliberate prep for a trip in the
>> conditions, plenty of things distract from just a nice ride but I realize
>> that at this time every year I always seem to contemplate a bike project to
>> go with the anticipated springtime, fruition or not. It's biking fun for
>> the extra bandwidth.
>>
>> My project is a low trail, 650b wheeled, all-around bike made with a
>> lively tube set (versus sturdy for touring) with drop bars, center pull
>> brakes, generator hub, LED lighting. All on a budget recognizing the value
>> of experience, unlike the box bike/mass market interpretation, handmade
>> wheels versus machine made ones as an example. I am reading and including
>> many posting subjects and items in this project and admit that may not
>> reach reality, but it's fun to have on the drawing board.
>>
>> Andy Cheatham
>> Pittsburgh
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: What's your winter project?

[Surlyprof]

Not enough to render a strong opinion yet.

Sorry,
John

On Sunday, January 11, 2015 at 9:34:18 AM UTC-8, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>
> Thanks John!  Any experiences in mud w/ the Fire XC's?
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 11:28 AM, Surlyprof  > wrote:
>
>> I've been riding Fire XCs on a SOMA Groove.  Nice, light tires that help 
>> keep the set up light and nimble.  Not the smoothest on the road but great 
>> in the dirt, mud and gravel.
>>
>> John
>>
>> On Saturday, January 10, 2015 at 2:16:00 PM UTC-8, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>>>
>>> Chris that looks awesome!  I'll be interested in what you think of the 
>>> fire xc tires!
>>> On Jan 10, 2015 4:31 PM, "Chris Chen"  wrote:
>>>
 So my winter project just needs bar tape and probably fenders :)

 https://www.flickr.com/photos/lumachrome/16062359839/

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> Very interested to see the progress on this!
> And it looks like a business pilot.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: What's your winter project?

[Tony DeFilippo]

Thanks John!  Any experiences in mud w/ the Fire XC's?


On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 11:28 AM, Surlyprof  wrote:

> I've been riding Fire XCs on a SOMA Groove.  Nice, light tires that help
> keep the set up light and nimble.  Not the smoothest on the road but great
> in the dirt, mud and gravel.
>
> John
>
> On Saturday, January 10, 2015 at 2:16:00 PM UTC-8, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>>
>> Chris that looks awesome!  I'll be interested in what you think of the
>> fire xc tires!
>> On Jan 10, 2015 4:31 PM, "Chris Chen"  wrote:
>>
>>> So my winter project just needs bar tape and probably fenders :)
>>>
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lumachrome/16062359839/
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 10:30 AM, Philip Williamson <
>>> philip.w...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Very interested to see the progress on this!
 And it looks like a business pilot.

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Re: [RBW] Re: What's your winter project?

[Surlyprof]

I've been riding Fire XCs on a SOMA Groove.  Nice, light tires that help 
keep the set up light and nimble.  Not the smoothest on the road but great 
in the dirt, mud and gravel.

John

On Saturday, January 10, 2015 at 2:16:00 PM UTC-8, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>
> Chris that looks awesome!  I'll be interested in what you think of the 
> fire xc tires!
> On Jan 10, 2015 4:31 PM, "Chris Chen" > 
> wrote:
>
>> So my winter project just needs bar tape and probably fenders :)
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lumachrome/16062359839/
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 10:30 AM, Philip Williamson <
>> philip.w...@gmail.com > wrote:
>>
>>> Very interested to see the progress on this!
>>> And it looks like a business pilot.
>>>
>>> Philip
>>> www.biketinker.com
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Re: [RBW] Re: What's your winter project?

[Tony DeFilippo]

Chris that looks awesome!  I'll be interested in what you think of the fire
xc tires!
On Jan 10, 2015 4:31 PM, "Chris Chen"  wrote:

> So my winter project just needs bar tape and probably fenders :)
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lumachrome/16062359839/
>
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> philip.william...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Very interested to see the progress on this!
>> And it looks like a business pilot.
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Re: [RBW] Re: What's your winter project?

[Chris Chen]

So my winter project just needs bar tape and probably fenders :)

https://www.flickr.com/photos/lumachrome/16062359839/

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Re: [RBW] Re: What's your winter project?

[Bill Lindsay]

Thanks Tom. 

Related WTB.  Does anybody want to sell me a BB cable guide that will 
accommodate 3 cables?  

On Friday, January 9, 2015 at 7:44:07 AM UTC-8, Pudge wrote:
>
>  Wow, Bill.  That is an inspiring (and, for those like me who lack the 
> imagination/skills to conceptualize such a thing, humbling)  winter 
> project.  Pics along the way, please, please, please.  And good luck! 
>
>  
>
> *From:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com  [mailto:
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com ] *On Behalf Of *Bill Lindsay
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 08, 2015 11:31 PM
> *To:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com 
> *Subject:* [RBW] Re: What's your winter project?
>
>  
>  
> OK, this might be the weirdest winter project I've ever taken on, but I 
> did put in some serious design work today, and the concept is actually 
> taking shape.  This Winter project is that I am going to build my own 
> desmodromic rear derailer.  What the heck is that?  A desmodromic mechanism 
> is something that is actively driven in all directions.  The most well 
> known desmodromic mechanism, and what you'll see if you Google the word 
> "desmodromic" , is Ducati valves.  A rotating cam throws the valve open and 
> another rotating cam throws it closed.  There is no return spring.  It's 
> driven open and closed.  Some classic old French derailers had a loop of 
> cable that, like a push-me-pull-you, would drag the derailer to the left 
> and to the right.  The parallelogram had no return spring.  Much more 
> recently, White Industries made a desmodromic shifting system, called the 
> LMDS (Linear Motion Derailer System).  Look it up, it's pretty swank.  
>
> So, what I've got scoped out, is that I'm going to take my favorite stock 
> rear derailer (RD-M760-GS low normal), remove the spring, and set it up for 
> a secondary cable. The actuating mechanism of our modern derailers is a 
> parallelogram with a pretty complex geometry.  Those of us used to friction 
> shifting with lots of gears can attest to the fact that the derailer 
> responds differently at different places in the sweep of the shifter.  For 
> me the incredibly sensitive spot is dropping from the biggest cog on the 
> cassette to the next one.  You just touch the shifter and it moves.  It's 
> super sensitive.  I did all the measurements and calculations and now the 
> data tells me why.  The geometry of the parallelogram demands it.  So, I 
> need a shifter with a profile that isn't round.  It needs to be a profile 
> that complements the geometry of the parallelogram of my derailer.  Let's 
> say you want to move the shifter 120 degrees to sweep all the way from cog 
> 1 to cog 9.  Then, ideally, you want every one of those 8 steps to be 
> exactly 15 degrees of movement.  With the right shifter profile, that's no 
> problem, if you can do the math, then do the design, and then have a 
> manufacturing method that can produce one of them.  This is where 3D 
> printing comes in.  
>
> The really complex math exercise that gets you to the shifter profile that 
> pulls the RD-M760-GS in *this *direction gets repeated once you figure 
> out where to put a secondary cable to pull the derailer in *that *direction.  
> Those profiles need to also have the property that they counterbalance each 
> other so you never get even a bit of slack in the cable, allowing you to 
> actuate both cables with one shiftlever.  Push me pull you.  That's why 
> White Industries made the LMDS on sliders.  They at least made the derailer 
> motion linear, and the cable motion linear, so the math wouldn't be so 
> GNARLY.  
>
> Me, I don't plan on building a derailer, and I don't mind the math.  Today 
> I worked out the GNARLY math and have both cam profiles.  I now need to 
> strong arm my brother in law to translate my numbers into a solidworks 
> model.  Once that's done, it's trivial to 3D print this weird cammish 
> shifter, and try to hook up a DIY desmodromic rear shifting system.  The 
> real key compnent is to modify an existing shifter design that has 
> adjustable and equal friction in both directions and fits into a really 
> small space.  I'm going to base my design on this Cheapo Simplex model.  
>
> French AND Cheapo 
> 
>
> If I can emulate that plastic inner shifter piece, but implement my 
> optimal cam profile, and figure out a cable fixing mechanism to prevent 
> slipping at the shifter, then getting it 3D printed is practically free.  
>
> Why do it?  Well, Jan goes on and on how much the rest of the world wastes 
> energy pushing against a spring to shift in this direction and having 
> nothing to do with the shift in that direction because only the spring is 
> doing it.  I just wanted to see what it is he's fussing about.  I don't 
> want to buy a 1930s Singer or Herse for $15000, and I don't want to build a 
> totally custom $2 bike like Jan did, but I do want to explore.  I don't 
> even want to spend the $400 it takes to buy

RE: [RBW] Re: What's your winter project?

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

And now I’m off to Google “White LMDS”

From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Lindsay
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2015 11:31 PM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] Re: What's your winter project?

OK, this might be the weirdest winter project I've ever taken on, but I did put 
in some serious design work today, and the concept is actually taking shape.  
This Winter project is that I am going to build my own desmodromic rear 
derailer.  What the heck is that?  A desmodromic mechanism is something that is 
actively driven in all directions.  The most well known desmodromic mechanism, 
and what you'll see if you Google the word "desmodromic" , is Ducati valves.  A 
rotating cam throws the valve open and another rotating cam throws it closed.  
There is no return spring.  It's driven open and closed.  Some classic old 
French derailers had a loop of cable that, like a push-me-pull-you, would drag 
the derailer to the left and to the right.  The parallelogram had no return 
spring.  Much more recently, White Industries made a desmodromic shifting 
system, called the LMDS (Linear Motion Derailer System).  Look it up, it's 
pretty swank.

So, what I've got scoped out, is that I'm going to take my favorite stock rear 
derailer (RD-M760-GS low normal), remove the spring, and set it up for a 
secondary cable. The actuating mechanism of our modern derailers is a 
parallelogram with a pretty complex geometry.  Those of us used to friction 
shifting with lots of gears can attest to the fact that the derailer responds 
differently at different places in the sweep of the shifter.  For me the 
incredibly sensitive spot is dropping from the biggest cog on the cassette to 
the next one.  You just touch the shifter and it moves.  It's super sensitive.  
I did all the measurements and calculations and now the data tells me why.  The 
geometry of the parallelogram demands it.  So, I need a shifter with a profile 
that isn't round.  It needs to be a profile that complements the geometry of 
the parallelogram of my derailer.  Let's say you want to move the shifter 120 
degrees to sweep all the way from cog 1 to cog 9.  Then, ideally, you want 
every one of those 8 steps to be exactly 15 degrees of movement.  With the 
right shifter profile, that's no problem, if you can do the math, then do the 
design, and then have a manufacturing method that can produce one of them.  
This is where 3D printing comes in.

The really complex math exercise that gets you to the shifter profile that 
pulls the RD-M760-GS in this direction gets repeated once you figure out where 
to put a secondary cable to pull the derailer in that direction.  Those 
profiles need to also have the property that they counterbalance each other so 
you never get even a bit of slack in the cable, allowing you to actuate both 
cables with one shiftlever.  Push me pull you.  That's why White Industries 
made the LMDS on sliders.  They at least made the derailer motion linear, and 
the cable motion linear, so the math wouldn't be so GNARLY.

Me, I don't plan on building a derailer, and I don't mind the math.  Today I 
worked out the GNARLY math and have both cam profiles.  I now need to strong 
arm my brother in law to translate my numbers into a solidworks model.  Once 
that's done, it's trivial to 3D print this weird cammish shifter, and try to 
hook up a DIY desmodromic rear shifting system.  The real key compnent is to 
modify an existing shifter design that has adjustable and equal friction in 
both directions and fits into a really small space.  I'm going to base my 
design on this Cheapo Simplex model.

French AND Cheapo

If I can emulate that plastic inner shifter piece, but implement my optimal cam 
profile, and figure out a cable fixing mechanism to prevent slipping at the 
shifter, then getting it 3D printed is practically free.

Why do it?  Well, Jan goes on and on how much the rest of the world wastes 
energy pushing against a spring to shift in this direction and having nothing 
to do with the shift in that direction because only the spring is doing it.  I 
just wanted to see what it is he's fussing about.  I don't want to buy a 1930s 
Singer or Herse for $15000, and I don't want to build a totally custom $2 
bike like Jan did, but I do want to explore.  I don't even want to spend the 
$400 it takes to buy a WI LMDS on Ebay.  But, if I can spend $50 and a number 
of hours exploring something in detail that I had previously just taken for 
granted, that amounts to a Winter project for me.

On Wednesday, December 17, 2014 at 2:37:11 AM UTC-8, ascpgh wrote:
Riding, besides my commutes, get a bit scant from here on out through winter. 
The season, the holidays, more deliberate prep for a trip in the conditions, 
plenty of things distract from just a nice ride but I realize that at this time 
every year I always seem to 

RE: [RBW] Re: What's your winter project?

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

Wow, Bill.  That is an inspiring (and, for those like me who lack the 
imagination/skills to conceptualize such a thing, humbling)  winter project.  
Pics along the way, please, please, please.  And good luck!

From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Lindsay
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2015 11:31 PM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] Re: What's your winter project?

OK, this might be the weirdest winter project I've ever taken on, but I did put 
in some serious design work today, and the concept is actually taking shape.  
This Winter project is that I am going to build my own desmodromic rear 
derailer.  What the heck is that?  A desmodromic mechanism is something that is 
actively driven in all directions.  The most well known desmodromic mechanism, 
and what you'll see if you Google the word "desmodromic" , is Ducati valves.  A 
rotating cam throws the valve open and another rotating cam throws it closed.  
There is no return spring.  It's driven open and closed.  Some classic old 
French derailers had a loop of cable that, like a push-me-pull-you, would drag 
the derailer to the left and to the right.  The parallelogram had no return 
spring.  Much more recently, White Industries made a desmodromic shifting 
system, called the LMDS (Linear Motion Derailer System).  Look it up, it's 
pretty swank.

So, what I've got scoped out, is that I'm going to take my favorite stock rear 
derailer (RD-M760-GS low normal), remove the spring, and set it up for a 
secondary cable. The actuating mechanism of our modern derailers is a 
parallelogram with a pretty complex geometry.  Those of us used to friction 
shifting with lots of gears can attest to the fact that the derailer responds 
differently at different places in the sweep of the shifter.  For me the 
incredibly sensitive spot is dropping from the biggest cog on the cassette to 
the next one.  You just touch the shifter and it moves.  It's super sensitive.  
I did all the measurements and calculations and now the data tells me why.  The 
geometry of the parallelogram demands it.  So, I need a shifter with a profile 
that isn't round.  It needs to be a profile that complements the geometry of 
the parallelogram of my derailer.  Let's say you want to move the shifter 120 
degrees to sweep all the way from cog 1 to cog 9.  Then, ideally, you want 
every one of those 8 steps to be exactly 15 degrees of movement.  With the 
right shifter profile, that's no problem, if you can do the math, then do the 
design, and then have a manufacturing method that can produce one of them.  
This is where 3D printing comes in.

The really complex math exercise that gets you to the shifter profile that 
pulls the RD-M760-GS in this direction gets repeated once you figure out where 
to put a secondary cable to pull the derailer in that direction.  Those 
profiles need to also have the property that they counterbalance each other so 
you never get even a bit of slack in the cable, allowing you to actuate both 
cables with one shiftlever.  Push me pull you.  That's why White Industries 
made the LMDS on sliders.  They at least made the derailer motion linear, and 
the cable motion linear, so the math wouldn't be so GNARLY.

Me, I don't plan on building a derailer, and I don't mind the math.  Today I 
worked out the GNARLY math and have both cam profiles.  I now need to strong 
arm my brother in law to translate my numbers into a solidworks model.  Once 
that's done, it's trivial to 3D print this weird cammish shifter, and try to 
hook up a DIY desmodromic rear shifting system.  The real key compnent is to 
modify an existing shifter design that has adjustable and equal friction in 
both directions and fits into a really small space.  I'm going to base my 
design on this Cheapo Simplex model.

French AND Cheapo

If I can emulate that plastic inner shifter piece, but implement my optimal cam 
profile, and figure out a cable fixing mechanism to prevent slipping at the 
shifter, then getting it 3D printed is practically free.

Why do it?  Well, Jan goes on and on how much the rest of the world wastes 
energy pushing against a spring to shift in this direction and having nothing 
to do with the shift in that direction because only the spring is doing it.  I 
just wanted to see what it is he's fussing about.  I don't want to buy a 1930s 
Singer or Herse for $15000, and I don't want to build a totally custom $2 
bike like Jan did, but I do want to explore.  I don't even want to spend the 
$400 it takes to buy a WI LMDS on Ebay.  But, if I can spend $50 and a number 
of hours exploring something in detail that I had previously just taken for 
granted, that amounts to a Winter project for me.

On Wednesday, December 17, 2014 at 2:37:11 AM UTC-8, ascpgh wrote:
Riding, besides my commutes, get a bit scant from here on out through winter. 
The season, the 

Re: [RBW] Re: What's your winter project?

[Ted Shwartz]

On the Quickbeam, New Bar tape, twine and shellac (just do at least every 10 
years)

New Rando bike

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Re: [RBW] Re: What's your winter project?

[Dan McNamara]

A couple of small projects.
Continue on the garage cleanout - too many bits for projects that are never
going to happen.
Try to straighten out front shifting on a bike with the Suntour XCD 50.4
BCD cranket. Just not working yet.
Get some riding in!

Dan in Marin

On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 11:22 AM, Geoffrey  wrote:
>
> First goal is to sell the absolutely cherry Specialized Sequoia I have.
> It's up on the ebay right now.
> Next is to do some work on a 62cm old school 1985 or 1986 Mongoose Chrome
> MTN Bike.  I gave it to my bro but I'm going to rebuild the head set, the
> BB and rebuild the very cool Araya wheel set.  These are the ones with big
> holes in the rims, you can see the rim strip.  The galv. spokes have rusted
> so I'm going to rebuild with some nice SS spokes.  I'm considering getting
> the rims polished just because.
> Then, lastly, not really a project but I'm going to order a bike friday
> Triple.
>
> On Wednesday, December 17, 2014 4:37:11 AM UTC-6, ascpgh wrote:
>
>> Riding, besides my commutes, get a bit scant from here on out through
>> winter. The season, the holidays, more deliberate prep for a trip in the
>> conditions, plenty of things distract from just a nice ride but I realize
>> that at this time every year I always seem to contemplate a bike project to
>> go with the anticipated springtime, fruition or not. It's biking fun for
>> the extra bandwidth.
>>
>> My project is a low trail, 650b wheeled, all-around bike made with a
>> lively tube set (versus sturdy for touring) with drop bars, center pull
>> brakes, generator hub, LED lighting. All on a budget recognizing the value
>> of experience, unlike the box bike/mass market interpretation, handmade
>> wheels versus machine made ones as an example. I am reading and including
>> many posting subjects and items in this project and admit that may not
>> reach reality, but it's fun to have on the drawing board.
>>
>> Andy Cheatham
>> Pittsburgh
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: What's your winter project?

[Tony DeFilippo]

Lots of projects lined up in the garage... it's been an odd Fall and start 
to winter for me as I never really got back in a rhythm after my accident 
back in August.  So several projects languished for one reason or another. 
 In any case here they are;

0. Get back to regular commuting and recreational riding.  Winter be 
damned!  My XO-3 is set w/ fenders and studded tires and the drop-bar'd 
Bomba is such a sweet riding machine, no excuses!  

1. Re-build the Saluki.  My new fork from Riv is in, it took longer and was 
30% more expensive than was quoted but at least that part is done.  Next 
step is the fun part... re-paint.  I'm going w/ a powdercoat from Groody 
Bros after being blown away w/ the quality on a project I'm finishing up 
for my Mom.  It's most likely going to be british racing green and cream 
very similar to it's original 'corvette green' but not quite so bright. 
 The build itself will be interesting as many of the Saluki's old parts 
have migrated to the XO-3 and Bomba.  At this point my aim is to set it up 
as my primary commuter, 1x8 w/ WI Eno crank, Paul stoplight canti brakes, 
Alba or noodle - noodle or alba, hetre's w/ dyno front lighting... I'm 
looking forward to the 're-birth'!

2. Get rid of some random frames.  I've now got three sweet steel frames 
hanging out that need either new homes or new purpose, so I may try 
building them up to move rather than my current/previous strategy of 
frame/fork only.  The two vintage Trek's, a 64cm '82 and 61cm '81 are both 
531c main triangles with great lines and then the unmarked but purportedly 
Bob Jackson frame is probably a 61-62.  I've got the parts on hand to make 
either Trek a 700C stripped down fixed gear so I think i'll go that route 
soon, maybe in my time off for Xmas.  The Jackson is the most intriguing as 
it's super light, i've already slid on some 650B wheels w/ Hetre's and they 
fit...  38's would be better.  I'm contemplating a minimalist, Roadeo 
inspired build for that one.  I've been stalking some 120mm OLD hub and 
wheelsets on the auction site, not that I'm set on a vintage-correct build 
but I like building up wheels.

3. Tweak the Tandem.  The Burley Bossa Nova got some decent usage this 
year, never as much as I'd like but last years winter/spring project was a 
definite success.  I've got some Paul Mini-Moto's that have been waiting to 
be mounted for several months now, no excuses... need to do that.  Also 
need a rack solution especially up front.  The real project here is 700C 
wheels for the beast, the hub's on there are in ok shape, not sexy of 
course but I could just buy some 700C rims, new spokes and build away. I 
think I could fit 35-38mm tires which would make this bike a legit C&O ride 
for my wife and I.  Two wheel build's are unlikely due to time and budget 
though so between this and the Jackson it'll probably be based on which one 
I find a compelling part (or price) for first.

4. Try out the Bullmoose Bars.  My amazing Bomba came from lister Tom w/ 
the truly large and unique bullmoose bars, I only road the frame once 
around the block in that configuration before switching to noodles which I 
in no way regret.  I found that first ride pretty odd and uncomfortable to 
be honest but I definitely didn't give it an adequate test.  So I want to 
make that happen, perhaps back on the Bomba or maybe on a random '80s MTB 
frame (a new one of those showed up same day as the Jackson).  We'll see, 
should be fun and if I confirm my initial reaction you'll be seeing some 
Bullmoose Bar's available in the Spring! 

5. Overhaul my wife's Townie.  My very first bike build project is my 
wife's 1970ish Motobecane Mirage Mixte in pale yellow.  Sweet looking bike, 
I 650B converted it gave it upright bars, a Brooks B67S, VO fenders and a 
basket.  She loves the bike and it usually gets alot of attention out and 
about.  I kept the original drive train for the most part and the long 
reach brake situation was never ideal.  I want to replace the 
wheels/drivetrain/brakes with a front and rear, drum brake/dyno/3spd IGH 
setup... probably SA.  That with some new more albatross-y bars and I think 
it goes from an 80% bike to a 99% bike.

6. General shop cleanout.  It's a mess really, and it's not crowded with 
tons of really great stuff either.  I need to consolidate, make some co-op 
donations and move on from a pile of stuff that is crowding my garage. 
 With the Bomba, Saluki and XO-3 I'm not really eyeing a major acquisition 
any time soon.  Anything new would either be wildly different (fatbike) or 
a direct replacement of one of those three  with the ability to swap parts 
that are on the bike.  Bottom line is that with 3-4 personal bikes, the 
tandem, and a couple bikes for my wife if a part isn't on one of those 
bikes it needs to be pretty special to hang out in a bin for another 
season.  We'll see how I do w/ this one.

Good exercise, I love making lists!  :)

Tony

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Re: [RBW] Re: What's your winter project?

[Steve Palincsar]

On 12/21/2014 08:25 AM, Matthew J wrote:
Tig welding and lugs are methods or joining tubes.  If the tubes and 
angles are the same as long as the joining is done well it will not 
make much difference on ride and handling.


The choice of tubes, dimensions and angles -- those /are/ important.  
And in the example below, the Boulder frame can have those choices 
optimized for the owner, just as is the case with the Herse frames.  And 
that's absolutely not the case for mass produced, lowest common 
denominator frames.  Those Boulder frames are really nice.




An old Schwinn World, massed produced and designed for the lowest 
common denominator is not going to have the optimal tubing, client 
appropriate angles, and properly placed braze on as a Rene Herse.


On Saturday, December 20, 2014 10:30:15 PM UTC-6, lungimsam wrote:

I very much appreciate that, on their web page, Boulder Bikes states:

"We love lugged frames, but all the love in the world doesn't
enable them to actually ride better or faster.  So the reality is
that a $1,435 Tig Boulder Bicycle frame will perform just as well
on the road as one of our $6,000 Rene Herse frames.".




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Re: [RBW] Re: What's your winter project?

[Matthew J]

Tig welding and lugs are methods or joining tubes.  If the tubes and angles 
are the same as long as the joining is done well it will not make much 
difference on ride and handling.

An old Schwinn World, massed produced and designed for the lowest common 
denominator is not going to have the optimal tubing, client appropriate 
angles, and properly placed braze on as a Rene Herse.

On Saturday, December 20, 2014 10:30:15 PM UTC-6, lungimsam wrote:
>
> I very much appreciate that, on their web page, Boulder Bikes states: 
>
> "We love lugged frames, but all the love in the world doesn't enable them 
> to actually ride better or faster.  So the reality is that a $1,435 Tig 
> Boulder Bicycle frame will perform just as well on the road as one of our 
> $6,000 Rene Herse frames.". 
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: What's your winter project?

[lungimsam]

I very much appreciate that, on their web page, Boulder Bikes states:

"We love lugged frames, but all the love in the world doesn't enable them to 
actually ride better or faster.  So the reality is that a $1,435 Tig Boulder 
Bicycle frame will perform just as well on the road as one of our $6,000 Rene 
Herse frames.".

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Re: [RBW] Re: What's your winter project?

[Steve Palincsar]

On 12/18/2014 11:12 PM, William deRosset wrote:


I'd also like to have a bike-ectomy, passing along machines I'm not 
using to liberate space in my home. I'm pretty excited by mechanical 
objects (watches, cameras, bikes, cars) and need to remind myself that 
it ain't about the physical object, but about the experiences we 
derive from them. I can only fool myself that a René Herse is a 
fundamentally different experience than a Schwinn World at the end of 
the day.




Sure it is, unless you're willing to go along with the notion that no 
matter what the food is, all eating is fundamentally the same 
experience: biting, chewing, swallowing, digesting, excreting.



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Re: [RBW] Re: What's your winter project?

[Patrick Moore]

Damned household expenses get in the way of bike expenditure, don't they?

Me, my problem is insufficient income. (Well, and my promise to my daughter
that I will redecorate her bedroom -- new (modest) furniture -- before she
goes off to college -- she's 13.)

On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 12:22 PM, Kyle Brooks  wrote:
>
> I also have been planning a Trek 620 project -- though mine is a 1984
> model, with canti brakes. I was just starting to pick up some parts for it
> (I got it as a frame and fork alone) when my water heater ruptured. That
> plus a fairly large car repair bill may have put the project on hold,
> unfortunately.
>
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RE: [RBW] Re: What's your winter project?

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

1.  Another mixte rebuild for a charity auction.  This one is a Fuji Royale 
mixte (from, I think, 1981); quite a nice frame, repainted by Bruce at the 
Color Factory a tasteful Taxicab Yellow.  It will get the same build as in past 
years – 3-speed Sturmey drum brake rear and Sturmey drum brake front, laced to 
Ghisallo wooden rims in 650B, upright bars, and some kind of fancy chainguard 
and basket.  These builds have enough whiz-bang to them that they fetch good 
bids, and sometimes bidding wars.  And I have the problems worked out with 
these builds, so other than lacing the wheels, they don’t take me too long.

2.  Finish the build on my S&S coupled Saluki, and get comfortable packing and 
unpacking it.

3.  I have two bikes that have been off the road for minor repairs or updates 
for nearly a year – time to get to them this winter.  My Bombadil gets a new 
Luxos set-up, and some new grips.  The Mystery Bike took a fall, and needs a 
new cork grip; while I’m at it I’ll change the brake levers and install a 
basket on the Mark’s rack.

4.  The downtube shifter thread has me curious – I’ve never ridden a downtube 
shifter-equipped bike.  So an old and somewhat beat-up but perfectly sound 
Gitane Tour de France with downtubers will move up in the queue – good to have 
a beater road bike, and it’s a snazzy purple color with foil decals, so, hey!

From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Matthew J
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 9:28 AM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] Re: What's your winter project?

Finally going to try out a kick back hub for an urban porteur.  Should be on 
the streets around February.

On Wednesday, December 17, 2014 4:37:11 AM UTC-6, ascpgh wrote:
Riding, besides my commutes, get a bit scant from here on out through winter. 
The season, the holidays, more deliberate prep for a trip in the conditions, 
plenty of things distract from just a nice ride but I realize that at this time 
every year I always seem to contemplate a bike project to go with the 
anticipated springtime, fruition or not. It's biking fun for the extra 
bandwidth.

My project is a low trail, 650b wheeled, all-around bike made with a lively 
tube set (versus sturdy for touring) with drop bars, center pull brakes, 
generator hub, LED lighting. All on a budget recognizing the value of 
experience, unlike the box bike/mass market interpretation, handmade wheels 
versus machine made ones as an example. I am reading and including many posting 
subjects and items in this project and admit that may not reach reality, but 
it's fun to have on the drawing board.

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh
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Re: [RBW] Re: What's your winter project?

[Matthew J]

> If you do try a kickback, I’d urge you to use one without a coaster brake 
– on my MB-2 Resurrectio, I used a 2-speed Sturmey Archer kickback with a 
coaster brake, and the braking results in > shifting when I don’t want it 
to.  Otherwise I like the kickback hub a lot.

Definitely a concern.  I sourced a Czech hub which is supposedly better 
than the other options out there.  Definitely better looking.  Will see how 
it works. 

On Wednesday, December 17, 2014 10:21:02 AM UTC-6, Pudge wrote:
>
>  If you do try a kickback, I’d urge you to use one without a coaster 
> brake – on my MB-2 Resurrectio, I used a 2-speed Sturmey Archer kickback 
> with a coaster brake, and the braking results in shifting when I don’t want 
> it to.  Otherwise I like the kickback hub a lot.
>
>  
>
> *From:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com  [mailto:
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com ] *On Behalf Of *Matthew J
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 17, 2014 9:28 AM
> *To:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com 
> *Subject:* [RBW] Re: What's your winter project?
>
>  
>  
> Finally going to try out a kick back hub for an urban porteur.  Should be 
> on the streets around February.  
>
> On Wednesday, December 17, 2014 4:37:11 AM UTC-6, ascpgh wrote:
>  
> Riding, besides my commutes, get a bit scant from here on out through 
> winter. The season, the holidays, more deliberate prep for a trip in the 
> conditions, plenty of things distract from just a nice ride but I realize 
> that at this time every year I always seem to contemplate a bike project to 
> go with the anticipated springtime, fruition or not. It's biking fun for 
> the extra bandwidth.
>  
>  
>  
> My project is a low trail, 650b wheeled, all-around bike made with a 
> lively tube set (versus sturdy for touring) with drop bars, center pull 
> brakes, generator hub, LED lighting. All on a budget recognizing the value 
> of experience, unlike the box bike/mass market interpretation, handmade 
> wheels versus machine made ones as an example. I am reading and including 
> many posting subjects and items in this project and admit that may not 
> reach reality, but it's fun to have on the drawing board.
>  
>  
>  
> Andy Cheatham
>  
> Pittsburgh
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RE: [RBW] Re: What's your winter project?

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

If you do try a kickback, I’d urge you to use one without a coaster brake – on 
my MB-2 Resurrectio, I used a 2-speed Sturmey Archer kickback with a coaster 
brake, and the braking results in shifting when I don’t want it to.  Otherwise 
I like the kickback hub a lot.

From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Matthew J
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 9:28 AM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] Re: What's your winter project?

Finally going to try out a kick back hub for an urban porteur.  Should be on 
the streets around February.

On Wednesday, December 17, 2014 4:37:11 AM UTC-6, ascpgh wrote:
Riding, besides my commutes, get a bit scant from here on out through winter. 
The season, the holidays, more deliberate prep for a trip in the conditions, 
plenty of things distract from just a nice ride but I realize that at this time 
every year I always seem to contemplate a bike project to go with the 
anticipated springtime, fruition or not. It's biking fun for the extra 
bandwidth.

My project is a low trail, 650b wheeled, all-around bike made with a lively 
tube set (versus sturdy for touring) with drop bars, center pull brakes, 
generator hub, LED lighting. All on a budget recognizing the value of 
experience, unlike the box bike/mass market interpretation, handmade wheels 
versus machine made ones as an example. I am reading and including many posting 
subjects and items in this project and admit that may not reach reality, but 
it's fun to have on the drawing board.

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh
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Re: [RBW] Re: What's your winter project?

[Tim Gavin]

A friend will braze on some rack and fender mounts (I will supervise and
hold his beer) to my Schwinn KOM.  Then I'm going to get the frame
powder-coated; I'm thinking clear coat to show off the lugs, maybe with a
light metal flake.

I'm also going to spread the rear to 135 mm from 130, and replace the
vintage 6-speed Uniglide wheels with some newer 8-speed ones.

On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 8:28 AM, Matthew J  wrote:
>
> Finally going to try out a kick back hub for an urban porteur.  Should be
> on the streets around February.
>
>
> On Wednesday, December 17, 2014 4:37:11 AM UTC-6, ascpgh wrote:
>>
>> Riding, besides my commutes, get a bit scant from here on out through
>> winter. The season, the holidays, more deliberate prep for a trip in the
>> conditions, plenty of things distract from just a nice ride but I realize
>> that at this time every year I always seem to contemplate a bike project to
>> go with the anticipated springtime, fruition or not. It's biking fun for
>> the extra bandwidth.
>>
>> My project is a low trail, 650b wheeled, all-around bike made with a
>> lively tube set (versus sturdy for touring) with drop bars, center pull
>> brakes, generator hub, LED lighting. All on a budget recognizing the value
>> of experience, unlike the box bike/mass market interpretation, handmade
>> wheels versus machine made ones as an example. I am reading and including
>> many posting subjects and items in this project and admit that may not
>> reach reality, but it's fun to have on the drawing board.
>>
>> Andy Cheatham
>> Pittsburgh
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: What's your winter project? 2011 version

[David Yu Greenblatt]

Joe,

That Lyon trailer bike is awesome!
May you and your daughter have many fun rides together.
I wish somebody was still making a high quality trailer bike like yours.
I have a Trek version that clamps to the seatpost but it is really heavy
and adversely affects the handing.
Maybe after Riv makes their RB kid's bike we can convince them to make a
nice lugged steel trailer bike!

-- David G, Madison WI

On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 2:05 PM, Joe Bunik  wrote:

> Just knocked out Winter Project #0 last night, spliced together a
> broken Honjo and racked/fendered my daughter's Lyon Trailer Cycle:
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/joe_bunik/
>
> I want to specifically thank listmembers Patrick Moore and Matt Tonay
> for their generosity and help with accomplishing this project! My
> wishes and pleas for a 559 fender singleton and a too-short rear rack
> came true! Thank you, guys!
>
> =- Joe Bunik
> Walnut Creek, CA
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Re: [RBW] Re: What's your winter project? 2011 version

[Michael_S]

not when you move to the beach! You can ride 12 months of the year in San 
Diego.  Of course the scenery is better in the summer.

~mike ... Carlsbad Ca.

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Re: [RBW] Re: What's your winter project? 2011 version

[Tim Whalen]

Mine are similar:

1.  Build my 58cm Rambouillet to cover all of my riding except for mtn
biking.  It'll have two sets of wheels, one with Grand Bois Cypres for good
roads and the other with CX tires for rougher stuff and rail trails/dirt
roads.

2.  Reluctantly get my much beloved 57cm Roadeo and 58cm Atlantis ready for
sale, and then carry through as I've been putting this off for months.

3.  Then clean out all the accumulated parts, etc.  Donate as much as
possible to the local bike clinic and sell Riv interest stuff here.

4.  Ride at every opportunity - off in a few minutes for a rail trail ride
on my QB w/cx tires.

5.  Be grateful for what I got - Happy Thanksgiving.

Tim
Colorado Springs

On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 8:58 AM, brian feltovich wrote:

> 1. Find someone who needs a lovely 1984 Stumpjumper (lugged, biplane,
> slack, etc) for their winter project! Make me an offer!
>
> 2. Sell another bike, possibly the couplered Rawland.
>
> 3. Clear out a bunch of bike parts: bars, saddles, derailleurs, brakes,
> etc.
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> Sense a theme here? Create space in garage for new projects!!!
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> Brian
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Re: [RBW] Re: What's your winter project? 2011 version

[brian feltovich]

1. Find someone who needs a lovely 1984 Stumpjumper (lugged, biplane, slack, 
etc) for their winter project! Make me an offer! 

2. Sell another bike, possibly the couplered Rawland. 

3. Clear out a bunch of bike parts: bars, saddles, derailleurs, brakes, etc. 

Sense a theme here? Create space in garage for new projects!!!

Brian 
Park City

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Re: [RBW] Re: What's your winter project? 2011 version

[Mattt]

Your build is sweet.  Glad to help.  The rack looks better on the bike than 
sitting in my garage.
 
Enjoy,
Matt
 

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Re: [RBW] Re: What's your winter project? 2011 version

[Joe Bunik]

Just knocked out Winter Project #0 last night, spliced together a
broken Honjo and racked/fendered my daughter's Lyon Trailer Cycle:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/joe_bunik/

I want to specifically thank listmembers Patrick Moore and Matt Tonay
for their generosity and help with accomplishing this project! My
wishes and pleas for a 559 fender singleton and a too-short rear rack
came true! Thank you, guys!

=- Joe Bunik
Walnut Creek, CA

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Re: [RBW] Re: What's your winter project? 2011 version

[cyclotourist]

In Sheldon We Trust!

On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 8:22 AM, James Valiensi  wrote:

> Actual Sheldon Brown hit right when he said the riding around here is good
> 9-months out of the year, the other three are too damn hot! This is true
> for SoCal.
> James Valiensi, PE
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>
> On Nov 22, 2011, at 7:53 AM, Garth wrote:
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> My winter plans are to leave the cold North for Southern California, so I
> can* ride and live in some sunshine !* It's what I want more than
> anything right now.
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Re: [RBW] Re: What's your winter project? 2011 version

[James Valiensi]

Actual Sheldon Brown hit right when he said the riding around here is good 
9-months out of the year, the other three are too damn hot! This is true for 
SoCal. 
James Valiensi, PE
Northridge, CA
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On Nov 22, 2011, at 7:53 AM, Garth wrote:

> My winter plans are to leave the cold North for Southern California, so I can 
> ride and live in some sunshine ! It's what I want more than anything right 
> now. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: What's your winter project? 2011 version

[cyclotourist]

We need to organize a SoCal ride!

On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 7:53 AM, Garth  wrote:

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Re: [RBW] Re: What's your winter project? 2011 version

[Kelly Sleeper]

I like mine with rust.. after all rust is a protective covering for the chain 
right?  Hell I can't even hear that noise when I turn my iPod up.

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Re: [RBW] Re: What's your winter project? 2011 version

[William]

I only buy low-modulus chains.  The stretchy response allows me to get even 
stiff frames to plane.  

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Re: [RBW] Re: What's your winter project? 2011 version

[cyclotourist]

Which chain lube is best for low-trail vs. high-trail and does it induce
shimmy?


On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 9:04 AM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:

> On Mon, 2011-11-21 at 06:31 -0800, jimD wrote:
> > I've just realized that my winter project is going to be learn how to
> undo the master link on my chain.
> >
> > Oh, and then I'm going to try some of this stuff:
> > http://www.chain-l.com/EdPavelkaTest.html
> >
> > Since it's winter now we should discuss chain lubrication for our fine
> Rivendell bicycles.
>
>
> Oh God no, the annual chain lubrication thread!   
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Re: [RBW] Re: What's your winter project? 2011 version

[Steve Palincsar]

On Mon, 2011-11-21 at 06:31 -0800, jimD wrote:
> I've just realized that my winter project is going to be learn how to undo 
> the master link on my chain.
> 
> Oh, and then I'm going to try some of this stuff:
> http://www.chain-l.com/EdPavelkaTest.html
> 
> Since it's winter now we should discuss chain lubrication for our fine 
> Rivendell bicycles.


Oh God no, the annual chain lubrication thread!   



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Re: [RBW] Re: What's your winter project? 2011 version

[jimD]

I've just realized that my winter project is going to be learn how to undo the 
master link on my chain.

Oh, and then I'm going to try some of this stuff:
http://www.chain-l.com/EdPavelkaTest.html

Since it's winter now we should discuss chain lubrication for our fine 
Rivendell bicycles.

-JimD


On Nov 20, 2011, at 8:22 PM, Philip Williamson wrote:

>> Do not have much in the way of winter bike projects...
> 
> Congratulations! You are this year's winner!
> 
> Philip
> 
> Philip Williamson
> www.biketinker.com
> 
> On Nov 20, 3:24 pm, EricP  wrote:
>> Do not have much in the way of winter bike projects.  New bar tape and
>> possibly new cables and housing on the Sam Hillborne.  Otherwise, none
>> of the bikes needs anything big.  Was lazy and didn't install studded
>> tires this weekend.  Which meant no riding.  Hoping to get more winter
>> riding in this year.
>> 
>> Also, unlike the past couple of years, have no bike purchases on my
>> radar.  Thought about a fatbike but don't think I could justify it.
>> 
>> Oh, and try to see if I can ride a single speed bike during the
>> winter.   Could be fun.  Or frustrating.  Or both.
>> 
>> Eric Platt
>> St. Paul, MN
>> 
>> On Nov 20, 12:30 pm, cyclotourist  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> I absolutely love the Salsa/Linskey Ti bikes that are coming out.  The La
>>> Cruz, Vaya and Fargo in Ti are pretty amazing bikes!
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Re: [RBW] Re: What's your winter project? 2011 version

[cyclotourist]

Yes, isn't it!

The Ti Vaya in particular looks like a great rough-stuff bike.

On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 8:23 PM, Philip Williamson <
philip.william...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Is Lynskey building the Salsa Ti bikes? That's pretty cool.
>
>  Philip
>
>
> On Nov 20, 10:30 am, cyclotourist  wrote:
> > I absolutely love the Salsa/Linskey Ti bikes that are coming out.  The La
> > Cruz, Vaya and Fargo in Ti are pretty amazing bikes!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 10:23 AM, Forrest  wrote:
> > > Pretty marginally Riv-related, but one winter project will be refining
> the
> > > build of this Salsa La Cruz Ti:
> > >http://www.flickr.com/photos/10076072@N03/sets/72157628059471687/
> >
> > > Several parts on it I bought from Riv: handlebars, rack, bag, brakes,
> > > tires, pedals, saddle.
> >
> > > While it is titanium and tig-welded rather than steel and lugged, the
> > > size, fit, and ride characteristics are similar to my Rivs. I'm
> looking for
> > > the perfect 35-37 mm tires for this.
> >
> > > -- Forrest
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Re: [RBW] Re: What's your winter project? 2011 version

[Bruce Herbitter]

I hope to one day get my bike back from Airglow painting if they ever finish it 
then the rebuild will be the project. New leather bat tape too
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Subject: [RBW] Re: What's your winter project? 2011 version


Do not have much in the way of winter bike projects. New bar tape and
possibly new cables and housing on the Sam Hillborne. Otherwise, none
of the bikes needs anything big. Was lazy and didn't install studded
tires this weekend. Which meant no riding. Hoping to get more winter
riding in this year.

Also, unlike the past couple of years, have no bike purchases on my
radar. Thought about a fatbike but don't think I could justify it.

Oh, and try to see if I can ride a single speed bike during the
winter. Could be fun. Or frustrating. Or both.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Nov 20, 12:30 pm, cyclotourist  wrote:
> I absolutely love the Salsa/Linskey Ti bikes that are coming out.  The La
> Cruz, Vaya and Fargo in Ti are pretty amazing bikes!
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Re: [RBW] Re: What's your winter project? 2011 version

[cyclotourist]

I absolutely love the Salsa/Linskey Ti bikes that are coming out.  The La
Cruz, Vaya and Fargo in Ti are pretty amazing bikes!

On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 10:23 AM, Forrest  wrote:

> Pretty marginally Riv-related, but one winter project will be refining the
> build of this Salsa La Cruz Ti:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/10076072@N03/sets/72157628059471687/
>
> Several parts on it I bought from Riv: handlebars, rack, bag, brakes,
> tires, pedals, saddle.
>
> While it is titanium and tig-welded rather than steel and lugged, the
> size, fit, and ride characteristics are similar to my Rivs. I'm looking for
> the perfect 35-37 mm tires for this.
>
> -- Forrest
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Re: [RBW] Re: What's your winter project? 2011 version

[William Pustow]

We all feel your pain, Bill. Hang in there. The B17 on the Hunq should be fine.
Bill
Louisville, Ky
On Nov 17, 2011, at 7:55 PM, fulf wrote:

> This winter I'll be building my Hunqapillar. I got the frameset in September 
> along with a bottom bracket and crank. Last month I got bullmoose handlebars, 
> and brake levers. I had a leftover mini rack for the front. Most recently I 
> ordered Marathon Duremes 700*50s. I've been going back and forth on the 
> wheels. The impatient me wants an affordable wheelset right now while the I 
> want the best Rich built wheel says buy one at a time and have the wheel for 
> my lifetime. I'm leaning toward the latter and hoping for the rear wheel for 
> Christmas. Other questions I'm pondering is if the 700*50 SKS fenders will 
> provide enough coverage, if with the bullmoose bars I'll need a more 
> comfortable seat being that I'll be more upright? Right now I ride the Brooks 
> B17 on my Atlantis and it's very comfortable. My plan is to have the Hunq on 
> the road by spring but I'm not very patient and seeing it on my basement 
> floor is driving me crazy!  Bill
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Re: [RBW] Re: What's your winter project?

[Doug Van Cleve]

Right, the rack has a threaded "bolt" that goes through the fork crown.  I
know of at least a couple BOBs who have shortened that and used a normal
recessed allen nut to mount the rack.  Since those come in several lengths,
it should be no problem getting the canti hanger and rack tightened down.
Then it comes down to how/if you want to mount fenders.  Most fender
brackets don't seem to work with a recessed mount brake.  I have drilled out
the hole in the tab so the allen nut fits through, or a Sheldon nut could be
used.  I haven't done any of this, but I can't see why it wouldn't work.

Doug


On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 11:49 AM, William  wrote:

> The Nitto mini is it's own bolt.  This is the rack you use on a
> cantilever brake bike.
>
> On Dec 7, 10:30 am, Doug Van Cleve  wrote:
> > The Sheldon nut as I proposed it would only hold the fender and only be
> > needed if you didn't want to drill the fender tab so the larger diameter
> > recessed allen nut would fit through.  It would be screwed into a normal
> > recessed allen nut brake mounting bolt, which is what would be holding
> the
> > rack.
> >
> > Doug
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 12:55 AM, Earl Grey  wrote:
> > > Hhm, not sure I understand. A Sheldon nut would give you 1-2 mm more
> > > thread engagement if using a fender, by mounting the fender tab to the
> > > separate fender bolt. 1-2 mm is not enough for me, I don't think. Am I
> > > missing something?
> >
> > > Gernot
> >
> > > On Dec 7, 4:36 am, William  wrote:
> > > > Doug
> >
> > > > A correct point.  It is the same thread as a brake bolt.  My set up
> > > > worked as-is, but if I needed more thread engagement, that would be
> > > > the way to go.
> >
> > > > On Dec 6, 11:52 am, Doug Van Cleve  wrote:
> >
> > > > > Folks,
> >
> > > > > I may be missing something here since I don't have hands on
> experience
> > > with
> > > > > that rack, but I'm pretty sure you can use a normal recessed allen
> bolt
> > > > > (like on any modern sidepull caliper brake) and there is no issue
> with
> > > > > getting everything fastened down.  You might have to drill out the
> hole
> > > in
> > > > > the fender mount or use a Sheldon nut from Problem Solvers, but
> that
> > > should
> > > > > be it.
> >
> > > > > Merry Christmas,
> > > > > Doug
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Re: [RBW] Re: What's your winter project?

[Doug Van Cleve]

The Sheldon nut as I proposed it would only hold the fender and only be
needed if you didn't want to drill the fender tab so the larger diameter
recessed allen nut would fit through.  It would be screwed into a normal
recessed allen nut brake mounting bolt, which is what would be holding the
rack.

Doug


On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 12:55 AM, Earl Grey  wrote:

> Hhm, not sure I understand. A Sheldon nut would give you 1-2 mm more
> thread engagement if using a fender, by mounting the fender tab to the
> separate fender bolt. 1-2 mm is not enough for me, I don't think. Am I
> missing something?
>
> Gernot
>
> On Dec 7, 4:36 am, William  wrote:
> > Doug
> >
> > A correct point.  It is the same thread as a brake bolt.  My set up
> > worked as-is, but if I needed more thread engagement, that would be
> > the way to go.
> >
> > On Dec 6, 11:52 am, Doug Van Cleve  wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > Folks,
> >
> > > I may be missing something here since I don't have hands on experience
> with
> > > that rack, but I'm pretty sure you can use a normal recessed allen bolt
> > > (like on any modern sidepull caliper brake) and there is no issue with
> > > getting everything fastened down.  You might have to drill out the hole
> in
> > > the fender mount or use a Sheldon nut from Problem Solvers, but that
> should
> > > be it.
> >
> > > Merry Christmas,
> > > Doug
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Re: [RBW] Re: What's your winter project?

[Doug Van Cleve]

Folks,

I may be missing something here since I don't have hands on experience with
that rack, but I'm pretty sure you can use a normal recessed allen bolt
(like on any modern sidepull caliper brake) and there is no issue with
getting everything fastened down.  You might have to drill out the hole in
the fender mount or use a Sheldon nut from Problem Solvers, but that should
be it.

Merry Christmas,
Doug


On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 10:17 AM, William  wrote:

> I photographed it yesterday just in case someone asked.  I even have a
> fender in there.  Granted, the bolt does not extend way past the
> nylock ring, but it's tight.  I have a second hanger that I might face
> on the mill when I get into the machine shop next.  That ought to get
> me a little more purchase.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758...@n04/5236889932/in/photostream/
>
>
>
> On Dec 6, 8:07 am, Earl Grey  wrote:
> > William,
> >
> > when I put the Tektro hanger on the Mini Front's bolt, I don't have
> > enough threads showing on the back of the fork crown to securely
> > attach the nut. I find it hard to believe the Bomba fork crown is more
> > narrow (front to back) than the Sam's. Did you modify your brake
> > hanger? Did you get a Mini Front with an extra long bolt, or is mine
> > extra short? Do you have an pics of your set-up, please?
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Gernot
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Re: [RBW] Re: What's your winter project?

[PATRICK MOORE]

Be sure to post photos.

On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 8:08 AM, JoelMatthews  wrote:
> Yesterday Tom Kellogg of Spectrum Cycles fame called to e-mailed to
> advise my 30th Anniversary frame is done and ready to ship.  Build
> will use mostly period parts (except for things like brake calipers
> and handlebars where there are classic looking modern versions
> available which work much better than their late-70s, early 80s
> ancestors).
>
> This will be the first time since my college days that I will have a
> wholly impractical bike built for fast (entirely relative - my fast is
> probably slow to many a grandma ma) riding.  Kind of excited.
>
> On Nov 29, 11:12 am, William  wrote:
>> Why do you consider the Tektro hanger not compatible with the Nitto
>> mini?  I run that set up on the Bombadil and plan on putting on the
>> Hillborne also.
>>
>> On Nov 29, 8:00 am, Earl Grey  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > In case you don't really like V-brakes (I don't), you can get a fork-
>> > crown mounted cable hanger for cantis from Tektro, which will solve
>> > the bar adjustment issue. Very slick and eliminates brake squeal, too.
>> > But not compatible with a Nitto Mini Front. :(
>>
>> > Gernot
>>
>> > On Nov 9, 8:30 am, EricP  wrote:
>>
>> > > My Rivendell project for thewinter- change my Sam Hillborne over to
>> > > V-brakes.  Should make it easier to adjust handlebar height.  Maybe,
>> > > possibly add a pair of interruptor levers too.  Then fret and worry
>> > > for a while about what type of handlebar tape to install.  Then pull
>> > > it off in frustration and just go back to black cork.
>>
>> > > Might also swap out the crankset.  Might have just kilt my third BB in
>> > > less than two years of the bike.  Could replace.  Or just put on the
>> > > external BB Deore crank I have.  (Which has been on this bike before
>> > > and does the job.)
>>
>> > > Yeah, and ride, too.  But not my Rivendell outside.
>>
>> > > Eric Platt
>> > > St. Paul, MN
>>
>> > > On Nov 8, 5:40 pm, "cyclotour...@gmail.com" 
>> > > wrote:
>>
>> > > > What to do in thewinter?
>>
>> > > > RIDE!
>>
>> > > > Serious, for me summers are HOT and SMOGGY.  Yuck.  Winters are just
>> > > > awesome, just wish the days were longer!
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Re: [RBW] Re: What's your winter project?

[BPustow]

Now, that's the spirit! May I use you as a reference to my wife?
Bill
Louisville, Ky
 
 
In a message dated 11/29/2010 12:07:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
fbr...@jwperry.com writes:

Build My  Goodrich when it arrives. Maybe build my Kogswell P/R. Maybe
reconfigure my  Riv. Maybe do an overhaul on my 76 Schwinn Paramount.
Maybe sell a bike or  two so I can buy something else I don't need but
seem to think I should  have.


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Re: [RBW] Re: What's your winter project?

[PATRICK MOORE]

On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 10:38 AM, SFF  wrote:

> Option two, as suggested by my wife - get ~500 sq ft of space (an
> apartment) away from the house where I can store my bikes, my record
> collection, and myself. Ouch!
> Joel
> (Know yourself, etc...but also know your wife!...)
>

That is the best solution yet! Very funny!

Patrick "have house, no wife, no momma, no poppa " Moore

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Re: [RBW] Re: What's your winter project?

[Seth Vidal]

On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 10:20 AM, cyclotourist wrote:

> I'm speechless
>
>


Found your new winter project?

-sv

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Re: [RBW] Re: What's your winter project?

[cyclotourist]

I'm speechless

On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 6:59 AM, Seth Vidal  wrote:

>
>
> On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 9:56 AM, Sean Whelan wrote:
>
>> I use this one: *http://tinyurl.com/twobikerack*
>
>
>
> I was thinking of something like this:
>
>
> http://tandemgeek.wordpress.com/2010/09/28/garage-redo-part-4-before-after-shots/
>
>
> -sv
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Re: [RBW] Re: What's your winter project?

[Seth Vidal]

On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 9:56 AM, Sean Whelan  wrote:

> I use this one: *http://tinyurl.com/twobikerack*



I was thinking of something like this:

http://tandemgeek.wordpress.com/2010/09/28/garage-redo-part-4-before-after-shots/


-sv

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Re: [RBW] Re: What's your winter project?

[Sean Whelan]

I use this one: http://tinyurl.com/twobikerack

Cheers,
Sean

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From: Seth Vidal 
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: What's your winter project?
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Date: Wednesday, November 10, 2010, 9:52 AM

On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 9:48 AM, SFF  wrote:

> 3>Okay, this is serious. Need to find a secure storage location for my
> Riv bikes. With my wife's Betty Foy coming in a week or so, I'll have
> 3. Too many to keep in the house. Need to carve out space in the
> garage and come up with some way to secure them and keep them out of
> the way. Not sure what to do here. Suggestions welcome.


I have this same issue, more or less. We've been kicking around
building a garage just so we have ample bike-storage facilities.

I'm was thinking about using those pulley hoist systems to raise a set
of bikes up and down easily. Ideally so it is no hassle to get them
back and forth.

-sv

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Re: [RBW] Re: What's your winter project?

[Seth Vidal]

On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 9:48 AM, SFF  wrote:

> 3>Okay, this is serious. Need to find a secure storage location for my
> Riv bikes. With my wife's Betty Foy coming in a week or so, I'll have
> 3. Too many to keep in the house. Need to carve out space in the
> garage and come up with some way to secure them and keep them out of
> the way. Not sure what to do here. Suggestions welcome.


I have this same issue, more or less. We've been kicking around
building a garage just so we have ample bike-storage facilities.

I'm was thinking about using those pulley hoist systems to raise a set
of bikes up and down easily. Ideally so it is no hassle to get them
back and forth.

-sv

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RE: [RBW] Re: What's your winter project?

[Frederick, Steve]

I've got Fizik-brand under tape gel on all my drop bar bikes--it's the best 
padding I've found.  Lasts longer and is more comfortable than anything else 
I've tried...

Steve

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[mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of Montclair BobbyB
Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 6:17 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch
Subject: [RBW] Re: What's your winter project?


Aside from "renaissancing" my 60s Gazelle Dutch twins, Huub and Mieke
(both of which are Sport Luxe single-speed coaster models, but will
get drum dynamo and 3 speed rear hubs), I plan to tweak/beautify the
Noodle bar setup on my Bomba, starting with a harlequin tape pattern,
funky whipping and a few coats of shellac.  I am debating what type of
cushion (if any) I can get away with near the hoods... any ideas?

Also I will be tweaking my rack and bag setup, including permanently
"installing" the bag-stiffeners in my VO Campagne handlebar bag, and
making it easier to put on/ take off the rack and/or attach inside my
Wald basket (which BTW I will first transform into a custom "Woody"
basket)...

Also building up a 1983 StumpJumper into a fine rider/commuter with
vintage parts.
Finally, adding internal-geared and dyno drum hubbed-wheels to a 1985
Rockhopper

(Jeez!!!  At this point it had better be a LONG winter... I mus'be
talkin boo... I'll never get through all of these projects )

BB

On Nov 8, 5:51 pm, William  wrote:
> I only shellack cloth bar tape.  I accidentally splatter frames with
> shellac, but that's all.
>
> Another thing I might try is to Hunqa-fy my Hillborne.  When the
> Marathon Duremes are back in, I'm planning on trying out a pair and
> taking the Hillborne-a-pillar into the dirt.
>
> On Nov 8, 12:21 pm, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Bikes or bars (tape)? Curious about shellacking frames -- if that is
> > what you did.
>
> > This weekend's project: sturdy-fied a set of Axiom Dutch panniers.
> > These are the ideal shopping panniers: big, relatively inexpensive,
> > boxy, stiffened so that you can drop a full paper grocery sack into
> > each side, easily drape over rack, cut away on leading side for foot
> > clearance. But the older ones, as mine, have fiddly straps under the
> > linking nylon webbing to attach them to the rack, AND they sag
> > (sometimes into the rear spokes) if you put 20 lb in one. I bought a
> > 6' length of 1/2" metal strip, cut in half, bent each half to fit
> > inside the interior of the panniers' mouth, and riveted the bracings
> > in place. Then I constructed a riveted, on-its-side (or horizontal)
> > capital "I" on the center handle (central stiffener attached at ends
> > to perpendicular braces) so that I can just drape the pair over the
> > rack and secure one of the braces to a rack cross strut with a toe
> > strap. Now, stiff enough and, very easy on and off.
>
> > On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 12:00 PM, William  wrote:
> > > In the rain on Sunday I did give a couple bikes an extra coat of clear
> > > shellac.  My clear Bullseye is almost out, so I'm going to use it up
> > > and ditch the can.
>
> > > On Nov 8, 10:57 am, Jeremy Till  wrote:
> > >> My project is converting a ~1980 Takara "Overland" touring bike I
> > >> acquired over the summer to a scorcher-ish fixed gear.  Been thinking
> > >> about this project for a while, just have to scrap together the
> > >> funds.  Excited to see how it comes out.
>
> > >> On Nov 8, 10:10 am, William  wrote:
>
> > >> > As the weather turns cooler, I am starting to dwell on winter
> > >> > projects.  A lot of them are home and family related, but some of them
> > >> > are Riv-ish, so I thought I would share.  In 2010 I pretty much
> > >> > overhauled my stable of bikes, and now am almost 100% dialed.  So I'm
> > >> > not due for any complete overhauls.  I am building a second
> > >> > configuration for my Bombadil.  It's set up for dedicated dirt riding
> > >> > now, but I'll be putting together a Campeur kit for it this winter
> > >> > (drop bars, fenders, racks, bags).  So next time a week-plus touring
> > >> > opportunity presents itself, the Bombadil will be the bike for it.
>
> > >> > What do you do in the winter?  Overhaul your favorite bike?  Go
> > >> > through the parts stash and clean house?  Start up a new bike
> > >> > project?  Take on a restoration?
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Re: [RBW] Re: What's your winter project?

[erik jensen]

sorting out all the random parts left over from the year, setting up a
proper workspace in my new home now that rain endangers working outside all
the time.

trying not to spend time on projects, just want to ride regularly this rainy
season round.

On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 3:16 PM, Montclair BobbyB
wrote:

> Aside from "renaissancing" my 60s Gazelle Dutch twins, Huub and Mieke
> (both of which are Sport Luxe single-speed coaster models, but will
> get drum dynamo and 3 speed rear hubs), I plan to tweak/beautify the
> Noodle bar setup on my Bomba, starting with a harlequin tape pattern,
> funky whipping and a few coats of shellac.  I am debating what type of
> cushion (if any) I can get away with near the hoods... any ideas?
>
> Also I will be tweaking my rack and bag setup, including permanently
> "installing" the bag-stiffeners in my VO Campagne handlebar bag, and
> making it easier to put on/ take off the rack and/or attach inside my
> Wald basket (which BTW I will first transform into a custom "Woody"
> basket)...
>
> Also building up a 1983 StumpJumper into a fine rider/commuter with
> vintage parts.
> Finally, adding internal-geared and dyno drum hubbed-wheels to a 1985
> Rockhopper
>
> (Jeez!!!  At this point it had better be a LONG winter... I mus'be
> talkin boo... I'll never get through all of these projects )
>
> BB
>
> On Nov 8, 5:51 pm, William  wrote:
> > I only shellack cloth bar tape.  I accidentally splatter frames with
> > shellac, but that's all.
> >
> > Another thing I might try is to Hunqa-fy my Hillborne.  When the
> > Marathon Duremes are back in, I'm planning on trying out a pair and
> > taking the Hillborne-a-pillar into the dirt.
> >
> > On Nov 8, 12:21 pm, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > Bikes or bars (tape)? Curious about shellacking frames -- if that is
> > > what you did.
> >
> > > This weekend's project: sturdy-fied a set of Axiom Dutch panniers.
> > > These are the ideal shopping panniers: big, relatively inexpensive,
> > > boxy, stiffened so that you can drop a full paper grocery sack into
> > > each side, easily drape over rack, cut away on leading side for foot
> > > clearance. But the older ones, as mine, have fiddly straps under the
> > > linking nylon webbing to attach them to the rack, AND they sag
> > > (sometimes into the rear spokes) if you put 20 lb in one. I bought a
> > > 6' length of 1/2" metal strip, cut in half, bent each half to fit
> > > inside the interior of the panniers' mouth, and riveted the bracings
> > > in place. Then I constructed a riveted, on-its-side (or horizontal)
> > > capital "I" on the center handle (central stiffener attached at ends
> > > to perpendicular braces) so that I can just drape the pair over the
> > > rack and secure one of the braces to a rack cross strut with a toe
> > > strap. Now, stiff enough and, very easy on and off.
> >
> > > On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 12:00 PM, William  wrote:
> > > > In the rain on Sunday I did give a couple bikes an extra coat of
> clear
> > > > shellac.  My clear Bullseye is almost out, so I'm going to use it up
> > > > and ditch the can.
> >
> > > > On Nov 8, 10:57 am, Jeremy Till  wrote:
> > > >> My project is converting a ~1980 Takara "Overland" touring bike I
> > > >> acquired over the summer to a scorcher-ish fixed gear.  Been
> thinking
> > > >> about this project for a while, just have to scrap together the
> > > >> funds.  Excited to see how it comes out.
> >
> > > >> On Nov 8, 10:10 am, William  wrote:
> >
> > > >> > As the weather turns cooler, I am starting to dwell on winter
> > > >> > projects.  A lot of them are home and family related, but some of
> them
> > > >> > are Riv-ish, so I thought I would share.  In 2010 I pretty much
> > > >> > overhauled my stable of bikes, and now am almost 100% dialed.  So
> I'm
> > > >> > not due for any complete overhauls.  I am building a second
> > > >> > configuration for my Bombadil.  It's set up for dedicated dirt
> riding
> > > >> > now, but I'll be putting together a Campeur kit for it this winter
> > > >> > (drop bars, fenders, racks, bags).  So next time a week-plus
> touring
> > > >> > opportunity presents itself, the Bombadil will be the bike for it.
> >
> > > >> > What do you do in the winter?  Overhaul your favorite bike?  Go
> > > >> > through the parts stash and clean house?  Start up a new bike
> > > >> > project?  Take on a restoration?
> >
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Re: [RBW] Re: What's your winter project?

[Shaun Meehan]

I'm having my Atlantis repainted this winter. The original paint is
still in pretty good shape for the most part; other than minor
scratches all over it and a fairly significant ding/dent/gouge in the
top tube. But I've never been a huge fan of the stock 'lantis color
(although it has grown on me some). I'm having the repaint done by
Chris Kvale (a local frame builder) and while I'm at it, I'm going to
have him add mid-fork and mid-seat-stay rack braze-ons. And in a
distinctly non-Rivish move, I'm seriously thinking about having him
replace the threaded steerer with a threadless one. I just like the
threadless set-up a whole lot better and I found a TIG welded stem tby
Chris Kelly that would work perfectly. In fact, I could have it
painted to match.

Shaun Meehan

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Re: [RBW] Re: What's your winter project?

[PATRICK MOORE]

Bikes or bars (tape)? Curious about shellacking frames -- if that is
what you did.

This weekend's project: sturdy-fied a set of Axiom Dutch panniers.
These are the ideal shopping panniers: big, relatively inexpensive,
boxy, stiffened so that you can drop a full paper grocery sack into
each side, easily drape over rack, cut away on leading side for foot
clearance. But the older ones, as mine, have fiddly straps under the
linking nylon webbing to attach them to the rack, AND they sag
(sometimes into the rear spokes) if you put 20 lb in one. I bought a
6' length of 1/2" metal strip, cut in half, bent each half to fit
inside the interior of the panniers' mouth, and riveted the bracings
in place. Then I constructed a riveted, on-its-side (or horizontal)
capital "I" on the center handle (central stiffener attached at ends
to perpendicular braces) so that I can just drape the pair over the
rack and secure one of the braces to a rack cross strut with a toe
strap. Now, stiff enough and, very easy on and off.

On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 12:00 PM, William  wrote:
> In the rain on Sunday I did give a couple bikes an extra coat of clear
> shellac.  My clear Bullseye is almost out, so I'm going to use it up
> and ditch the can.
>
> On Nov 8, 10:57 am, Jeremy Till  wrote:
>> My project is converting a ~1980 Takara "Overland" touring bike I
>> acquired over the summer to a scorcher-ish fixed gear.  Been thinking
>> about this project for a while, just have to scrap together the
>> funds.  Excited to see how it comes out.
>>
>> On Nov 8, 10:10 am, William  wrote:
>>
>> > As the weather turns cooler, I am starting to dwell on winter
>> > projects.  A lot of them are home and family related, but some of them
>> > are Riv-ish, so I thought I would share.  In 2010 I pretty much
>> > overhauled my stable of bikes, and now am almost 100% dialed.  So I'm
>> > not due for any complete overhauls.  I am building a second
>> > configuration for my Bombadil.  It's set up for dedicated dirt riding
>> > now, but I'll be putting together a Campeur kit for it this winter
>> > (drop bars, fenders, racks, bags).  So next time a week-plus touring
>> > opportunity presents itself, the Bombadil will be the bike for it.
>>
>> > What do you do in the winter?  Overhaul your favorite bike?  Go
>> > through the parts stash and clean house?  Start up a new bike
>> > project?  Take on a restoration?
>>
>>
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