Re: [RBW] Re: Which bike next....?
Smaller frames are sometimes designed with super-steep ST angles to mitigate toe-overlap and still allow for short TT/reach. On Sunday, September 23, 2012 6:32:17 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > On Sun, 2012-09-23 at 15:27 -0700, VeloZen wrote: > > > > The Surly LHT is certainly a capable machine, no question there. > > HOWEVER ... and this is a big HOWEVER ... they have the same problem > > as virtually every other mass-production model. The geometry changes > > with size range ... far too much, in my opinion. The 46cm frame has a > > 74.5 degree seat tube angle! That's insane for a touring bike that's > > supposed to be comfortable. In contrast, the 48cm Riv Hunqapillar has > > a 71.5 degree seat tube angle ... which only changes to 72 degrees in > > larger frames, maintaining a more consistent geometry for all sizes. > > Of course, this really only affects smaller Surly frames ... > > regular-sized folks don't really have to worry, but for us small > > dudes, it's quite frustrating ... but yet another reason to appreciate > > Riv design. > > Just out of idle curiosity (as my frames are 59-60cm) what is the source > of the problem? Would things be better if those small frames used > smaller wheels as well? > > > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/S1H1RfmtgIMJ. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Which bike next....?
On Sun, 2012-09-23 at 15:27 -0700, VeloZen wrote: > > The Surly LHT is certainly a capable machine, no question there. > HOWEVER ... and this is a big HOWEVER ... they have the same problem > as virtually every other mass-production model. The geometry changes > with size range ... far too much, in my opinion. The 46cm frame has a > 74.5 degree seat tube angle! That's insane for a touring bike that's > supposed to be comfortable. In contrast, the 48cm Riv Hunqapillar has > a 71.5 degree seat tube angle ... which only changes to 72 degrees in > larger frames, maintaining a more consistent geometry for all sizes. > Of course, this really only affects smaller Surly frames ... > regular-sized folks don't really have to worry, but for us small > dudes, it's quite frustrating ... but yet another reason to appreciate > Riv design. Just out of idle curiosity (as my frames are 59-60cm) what is the source of the problem? Would things be better if those small frames used smaller wheels as well? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Which bike next....?
So many great options! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/p1HaWIMFWzAJ. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Which bike next....?
If what you want is a Roadeo-ish light, quick, comfortable road bike that
wil accept 32+ mm tires, the Nordavinden is up your alley. I have really
been enjoying mine.
The Black Mountain is probably also a great buy, but I have no personal
experience with that one. Here's a link with fewer motors:
http://www.blackmtncycles.com/p/welcome.html
Bill
On Sunday, September 23, 2012 6:09:44 AM UTC-7, LyleBogart{AT}gmail.com
wrote:
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> Or, just to put out another possibility, how about a Nordavinden or
> Drakkar2 from Rawland? I have an earlier Drakkar (fixed gear) and am always
> delighted to ride it.
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> http://rawlandcycles.blogspot.com/
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> https://plus.google.com/photos/108961230290044866302/albums/5391146948986199089?authkey=CJWL1IOdg72Mew
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> The 2nd link is my Drakkar (without fenders. . . )
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> Cheers!
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> lyle
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> On 23 September 2012 08:38, > wrote:
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>> Or the Bruce Gordon BLT
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>> http://www.bgcycles.com/blt.html
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>> Dave Nawrocki
>> Fort Collins, CO
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>> How's about a San Marcos?
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>> Joe Bernard
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Re: [RBW] Re: Which bike next....?
If you check out the Rawland sit, see July 3, 2012 blog entry for some nice shots of the frame details. Cheers! lyle On 23 September 2012 09:09, Lyle Bogart wrote: > Or, just to put out another possibility, how about a Nordavinden or > Drakkar2 from Rawland? I have an earlier Drakkar (fixed gear) and am always > delighted to ride it. > > http://rawlandcycles.blogspot.com/ > > > https://plus.google.com/photos/108961230290044866302/albums/5391146948986199089?authkey=CJWL1IOdg72Mew > > The 2nd link is my Drakkar (without fenders. . . ) > > Cheers! > > lyle > > > > On 23 September 2012 08:38, wrote: > >> Or the Bruce Gordon BLT >> >> http://www.bgcycles.com/blt.html >> >> Dave Nawrocki >> Fort Collins, CO >> >> -- >> *From: *"Joe Bernard" >> *To: *[email protected] >> *Sent: *Saturday, September 22, 2012 5:57:48 PM >> *Subject: *Re: [RBW] Re: Which bike next? >> >> How's about a San Marcos? >> >> Joe Bernard >> Vallejo, CA. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/LfFJni86jIYJ. >> >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. >> > > > > -- > lyle f bogart dpt > > 156 bradford rd > wiscasset, me 04578 > 207.882.6494 > 206.794.6937 > > -- lyle f bogart dpt 156 bradford rd wiscasset, me 04578 207.882.6494 206.794.6937 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Which bike next....?
Or, just to put out another possibility, how about a Nordavinden or Drakkar2 from Rawland? I have an earlier Drakkar (fixed gear) and am always delighted to ride it. http://rawlandcycles.blogspot.com/ https://plus.google.com/photos/108961230290044866302/albums/5391146948986199089?authkey=CJWL1IOdg72Mew The 2nd link is my Drakkar (without fenders. . . ) Cheers! lyle On 23 September 2012 08:38, wrote: > Or the Bruce Gordon BLT > > http://www.bgcycles.com/blt.html > > Dave Nawrocki > Fort Collins, CO > > -- > *From: *"Joe Bernard" > *To: *[email protected] > *Sent: *Saturday, September 22, 2012 5:57:48 PM > *Subject: *Re: [RBW] Re: Which bike next? > > How's about a San Marcos? > > Joe Bernard > Vallejo, CA. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/LfFJni86jIYJ. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > -- lyle f bogart dpt 156 bradford rd wiscasset, me 04578 207.882.6494 206.794.6937 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Which bike next....?
Or the Bruce Gordon BLT http://www.bgcycles.com/blt.html Dave Nawrocki Fort Collins, CO - Original Message - From: "Joe Bernard" To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2012 5:57:48 PM Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Which bike next? How's about a San Marcos? Joe Bernard Vallejo, CA. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/LfFJni86jIYJ. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Which bike next....?
Yes, the only limit on exposed steerer on Surly frames is aesthetic. This may not be the case for other manufacturers. I don't have an encyclopedic knowledge of top-tube lengths, but that info is available on the Internet for anyone to compare. But yes, since bar height doesn't have to be a variable on the LHT, top tube length is the most useful sizing parameter. Very often people who want to buy a Surly will use Riv's sizing scheme. But like someone above said, the Surly 58 cm is more like a 60-61 cm if you measure center bb to top of the seat tube. And the top tube in most sizes of LHT or Cross-check is very close to nominal frame size (i.e. 58 c-c on a 58 frame). I have no idea if this makes the frame more suitable for drop bars or for porteur bars, but for most people who go with Riv's PBH-based sizing guideline and drop bars, it results in a stem that's sub-90mm (short) and tightish stand over. Twice I've had LHT customers who couldn't let go of the Riv size recommendation despite my having explained this ad nauseum...and then a week after the purchase ask to do a frame swap for a smaller size. The customer is always right! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/s-hjcjTjoaYJ. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Which bike next....?
On Sat, 2012-09-22 at 19:14 -0700, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: > Steve P: all LHT steelers are the same length. This means you can get the > bars at the same height on a 56 cm as you can on a 64 cm. As you mentioned, > the exposed steerer and spacer stack is the difference. With a quill stem, > you can get the bars higher on a larger frame, which is one reason why Riv > suggests larger frame sizes. So with LHT steerers, the only limitation on exposed steerer length is aesthetic? > But let's say you're between two LHT sizes. Most people want the bars closer, > not farther. If you go slightly smaller on the frame size, you can put on a > slightly longer stem if needed. If you have a big frame and a short stem, you > can't necessarily go shorter. Again, bar height doesn't vary between frame > sizes. > > Also, the way frames are measured varies between Riv and Surly. A 58 Atlantis > is closer to a 56 LHT than it is to a 58 LHT, for example. In other words, top tube length. OK, how are LHT top tubes sized? I'm confident the expectation with that bike is drop bars, which would lead to a shorter top tube than might be the case with a bike intended to be used with porteur bars, such as many of the Rivendells and the Kogswell P/R. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Which bike next....?
Surly measures center to top of the top tube. I think Riv measures to the top of the seat tube (so includes the extension) Eric Daume Dublin, OH On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 1:51 AM, ted wrote: > Jim, please elaborate on how the frame measurement methods differ. The > Surly web site seems to indicate measured center to top, which I > thought was the RBW convention as well. > > On Sep 22, 7:14 pm, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery > wrote: > > Steve P: all LHT steelers are the same length. This means you can get > the bars at the same height on a 56 cm as you can on a 64 cm. As you > mentioned, the exposed steerer and spacer stack is the difference. With a > quill stem, you can get the bars higher on a larger frame, which is one > reason why Riv suggests larger frame sizes. > > > > But let's say you're between two LHT sizes. Most people want the bars > closer, not farther. If you go slightly smaller on the frame size, you can > put on a slightly longer stem if needed. If you have a big frame and a > short stem, you can't necessarily go shorter. Again, bar height doesn't > vary between frame sizes. > > > > Also, the way frames are measured varies between Riv and Surly. A 58 > Atlantis is closer to a 56 LHT than it is to a 58 LHT, for example. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Which bike next....?
Steve P: all LHT steelers are the same length. This means you can get the bars at the same height on a 56 cm as you can on a 64 cm. As you mentioned, the exposed steerer and spacer stack is the difference. With a quill stem, you can get the bars higher on a larger frame, which is one reason why Riv suggests larger frame sizes. But let's say you're between two LHT sizes. Most people want the bars closer, not farther. If you go slightly smaller on the frame size, you can put on a slightly longer stem if needed. If you have a big frame and a short stem, you can't necessarily go shorter. Again, bar height doesn't vary between frame sizes. Also, the way frames are measured varies between Riv and Surly. A 58 Atlantis is closer to a 56 LHT than it is to a 58 LHT, for example. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/bOsR87N4Vb0J. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Which bike next....?
I would look closely at a Soma Smoothie (or the SS ES if you want overized tubing. Cheap and per reports a very nice ride. Patrick Moore iPhone On Sep 22, 2012, at 5:45 PM, Toshi Takeuchi wrote: > I have a Surly Pacer, and that would be more roadish and now comes in a > complete bike--best of all, they are great candidates for a 650b conversion. > The LHT is also an excellent bike. When my friends can't spring for a Riv, I > steer them toward a Surly. > > Toshi > > > On Sat, Sep 22, 2012 at 4:34 PM, Michael_S wrote: > The Soma Double Cross is a nice bike too, Soma Fab. sells a lot of Riv type > stuff too. Or Black Mountain Cycles cross bike. Both will fit some nice fat > (45mm) tires. Both are lighter and nicer ( IMO) then the LHT for most all > purpose riding. > > ~mike > Carlsbad Ca. > > > Peace, > Tim > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/F7qJO4u7SYsJ. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Which bike next....?
Uhhh, those are nice motorcycles, really. But maybe a different link? :) On Sat, Sep 22, 2012 at 9:03 PM, William wrote: > If you need a roadish bike that will take wider tires, consider the Road > Frame by Black Mountain Cycles. I like mine a great deal > > www.blackmountaincycles.com > > > On Saturday, September 22, 2012 11:20:12 AM UTC-7, Tim wrote: > >> I knew this would happen. I've long term/temporarily relocated to >> Connecticut, 2-3 years, and I come back to KC every three weeks or so. >> Therefore, since most of my time is in CT, I took the AHH and the new Hunqa >> with me. So, I get home this weekend and have only the Cannondale, too >> small , go fast, with 23mm tires, to ride. What a difference! Although I >> got used to it, I know I need a more Riv-ish bike here at home. So, I'm >> really considering a LHT. What are the opinions out there about the Surly, >> and how does their sizing compare to a Riv? I will probably eventually get >> a Roadeo, or a custom Riv, but I'm not ready for that investment yet, and >> for now the LHT seems like it would be a good, comparatively low cost >> alternative. What say you guys? Thanks. >> >> >> Peace, >> Tim >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/HXQW1H2v1CYJ. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Which bike next....?
How's about a San Marcos? Joe Bernard Vallejo, CA. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/LfFJni86jIYJ. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Which bike next....?
I have a Surly Pacer, and that would be more roadish and now comes in a complete bike--best of all, they are great candidates for a 650b conversion. The LHT is also an excellent bike. When my friends can't spring for a Riv, I steer them toward a Surly. Toshi On Sat, Sep 22, 2012 at 4:34 PM, Michael_S wrote: > The Soma Double Cross is a nice bike too, Soma Fab. sells a lot of Riv > type stuff too. Or Black Mountain Cycles cross bike. Both will fit some > nice fat (45mm) tires. Both are lighter and nicer ( IMO) then the LHT for > most all purpose riding. > > ~mike > Carlsbad Ca. > > >> Peace, >> Tim >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/F7qJO4u7SYsJ. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Which bike next....?
I think the answer to "Why?" lies in where you like the bars, relative to the seat, and the size of your upper body. For example. Riv sizing chart puts me between a 62 & a 64 and the common wisdom says buy a 64. But I like my bars about 2 cm below the seat, so I am just about perfect on the 62, and even my 61 cm Trek 620 works just fine. If I preferred the bars 2 cm above the seat the 62 cm Ram would still work with lots of quill and the 61 cm Trek might be pushing it. In that case the 64 cm bike would be right on. I agree with the post that the LHT isa good alternative to the Atlantis, but not to the Rodeo. If you are looking for something with a ride comparable to the Rodeo both SOMA & Surly offer lower cost road bikes with a livelier ride. If it were me I would keep my nose on Ebay for a good road frame, circa 1975 -1990. But you do have to be careful to scope out the geometry pretty carefully. Or I would post a WTB here and on the Lifestyles list. On Saturday, September 22, 2012 4:38:14 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > On Sat, 2012-09-22 at 12:46 -0700, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: > > My opinion: The LHT is the best heavy-duty touring/all-rounder bike > > made, at any price. Others are prettier, or have fancier parts, but > > the LHT hits all the function targets as well as anything, and with > > solid parts that are relatively easy to replace or service on the > > road. You shouldn't feel like the LHT is in any way a "downgrade" or a > > "poor man's" anything, except perhaps compared to the classic lugged > > cosmetics of your favorite Riv. > > > > As for sizing, I'd suggest following Riv's guideline for sizing the > > Atlantis, then go one size smaller for the LHT. While it's often > > advisable to go as big as possible with a quill-stem bike, I suggest > > erring on the smaller side with a bike with a threadless steerer like > > the LHT (leave the steerer long, initially). > > > Why? I truly don't understand. > > Getting a smaller size frame means for the same handlebar position you > will have to have more steerer exposed, and not only is there only so > much steerer available, but also there are limits (both structural and > aesthetic) as to how much steerer you can or should have exposed. > > I should think getting the smaller of the two frames would be preferred > only if you are looking for a lower handlebar position, and the head > tube on the larger frame would limit how low you could go -- and in that > case, I believe some have suggested taking a saw to the head tube, > especially if it has an extension. > > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/PfEMy3-x9j8J. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Which bike next....?
On Sat, 2012-09-22 at 12:46 -0700, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: > My opinion: The LHT is the best heavy-duty touring/all-rounder bike > made, at any price. Others are prettier, or have fancier parts, but > the LHT hits all the function targets as well as anything, and with > solid parts that are relatively easy to replace or service on the > road. You shouldn't feel like the LHT is in any way a "downgrade" or a > "poor man's" anything, except perhaps compared to the classic lugged > cosmetics of your favorite Riv. > > As for sizing, I'd suggest following Riv's guideline for sizing the > Atlantis, then go one size smaller for the LHT. While it's often > advisable to go as big as possible with a quill-stem bike, I suggest > erring on the smaller side with a bike with a threadless steerer like > the LHT (leave the steerer long, initially). Why? I truly don't understand. Getting a smaller size frame means for the same handlebar position you will have to have more steerer exposed, and not only is there only so much steerer available, but also there are limits (both structural and aesthetic) as to how much steerer you can or should have exposed. I should think getting the smaller of the two frames would be preferred only if you are looking for a lower handlebar position, and the head tube on the larger frame would limit how low you could go -- and in that case, I believe some have suggested taking a saw to the head tube, especially if it has an extension. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
