Re: [RBW] Re: Why no more Quickbeam/ SimpleOne?

2013-11-26 Thread Cyclofiend Jim 
In the interest of clarity, I'm going to start a separate thread for 
ideas/thoughts/features folks might be interested in for a 
QuickSimpleBeamOne.

There have already been a few comments about desired features in the 
"Announcement" thread - "Rivendell 'SimpleBeam' - New Model - Call for the 
Seriously Interested" - which I'm tacked to the top of the group site:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/sKo8E4qO-jI

So, the new discussion thread on Wanted/Needed Features is here - 
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/ZeaMJ7yLnUk

- Jim / cyclofiend.com / [email protected]


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Re: [RBW] Re: Why no more Quickbeam/ SimpleOne?

2013-11-26 Thread Bill Lindsay 
Tinker

I like EBBs significantly more than I like sliding vertical dropouts.  It's 
good enough for generations of tandems, as well, so who am I to judge?.  If 
I were to set up a disky single speed, I'd be perfectly fine with an EBB.  

On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 1:28:38 AM UTC-8, Philip Williamson wrote:
>
> If eccentric bottom brackets are good enough for Jeff Jones and Sam at 
> Singular, they'll probably work for me. And Niner. They might all use Phil 
> EBBs; not sure. Making all your adjustments at the crank end of things 
> seems to remove a bunch of variables (while introducing seat tube angle and 
> BB height minutia). Always something to obsess over. 
>
> Philip
> www.biketinker.com
>
>
>  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Why no more Quickbeam/ SimpleOne?

2013-11-26 Thread Patrick Moore 
Some have used a long, spring-encircled bolt to hold a rear fender in
symmetrical place, the spring allowing one to push the fender away from the
tire for easier wheel removal. I've also seen pictures of rear fenders with
a quick-take-apart fastening mid-arch -- though IIRC this was for folders.


On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 8:35 AM, Montclair BobbyB  wrote:

> My brother's vintage Harley has a hinged rear fender for wheel removal...
> now there's a DIY bicycle mod just waiting to happen
>
> I'm loving this thread... giving me diabolical thoughts of planting more
> ideas ... Like a fat-tired mountain-mixte... OK, who's in?
> *Seriously, I hope to see this idea come together... I have yet to fully
> exploit all the many joyful configurations of my S1 (right now it's a 2x1
> with Patterson Transmission cranket), but I plan to work on that some
> more...  *
>
> Peace,
> BB
>
> On Monday, November 25, 2013 1:11:47 PM UTC-5, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>>
>> The rear stay QR trick is a good one - mine has been set up that way from
>> the beginning.
>>
>> IIRC, the largest tires the QB can handle is 45 - which you had mounted -
>> http://cyclofiend.com/rbw/quickbeam/<http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fcyclofiend.com%2Frbw%2Fquickbeam%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNE8-Ldj_1e1PsQ-wkqBQ7LH6zM06Q>
>>
>> - J
>>
>>
>> On Monday, November 25, 2013 10:08:08 AM UTC-8, Philip Williamson wrote:
>>
>>> I find fat tires (32mm) run into the chainstay bridge on my other fixed
>>> gear, so I prefer the track ends.
>>> I had SKS fenders with the QRs on the rear as well as the fork. To
>>> change the wheel, I just popped the rear stays out of the quick releases to
>>> free up the fenders.
>>>
>>> Philip
>>> www.biketinker.com<http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.biketinker.com&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNHQ7rECiOZi3g57gDuuurKPduxuag>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 25, 2013 8:05:42 AM UTC-8, Pudge wrote:
>>>
>>>>  One solution for the tire removal issue is to use flat wooden
>>>> fenders, which bend very easily outward away from the tire, allowing easy
>>>> removal.  Of course, there are always trade-offs – such fenders aren’t as
>>>> functional as a good plastic or metal curved fender, but in non-downpours,
>>>> and with a mudflap, they’re not bad.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* [email protected] [mailto:rbw-owne...@
>>>> googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Eric Norris
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, November 25, 2013 10:41 AM
>>>> *To:* [email protected]
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [RBW] Re: Why no more Quickbeam/ SimpleOne?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> My suggestion for a future reissue of the QB/SO: Horizontal drops,
>>>> angled like the track ends on the QB. Track ends are certainly traditional
>>>> for fixed gear bikes (and I suppose for single-speeds), but they make it
>>>> more difficult to get the rear wheel in and out, especially with fenders.
>>>> On my QB, I have to put the rear wheel in the frame with the tire
>>>> deflated--there's barely enough clearance to squeeze it in, and moving the
>>>> fender far enough back for adequate clearance would result in an ugly and
>>>> unacceptable chain line.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Extra-long horizontal drops, cut out of the same material as those on
>>>> the original QB, would make the bike more nearly perfect.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Eric N
>>>>
>>>> www.CampyOnly.com<http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.CampyOnly.com&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNGVwva41esUdeSnIzp2-tzqJWdDdw>
>>>>
>>>> CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com<http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2FCampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNFtSPqcPhRgNADDiTdPqOB1Vm-icQ>
>>>>
>>>> Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Why no more Quickbeam/ SimpleOne?

2013-11-26 Thread Montclair BobbyB 
My brother's vintage Harley has a hinged rear fender for wheel removal... 
now there's a DIY bicycle mod just waiting to happen

I'm loving this thread... giving me diabolical thoughts of planting more 
ideas ... Like a fat-tired mountain-mixte... OK, who's in?  
*Seriously, I hope to see this idea come together... I have yet to fully 
exploit all the many joyful configurations of my S1 (right now it's a 2x1 
with Patterson Transmission cranket), but I plan to work on that some 
more...  *

Peace,
BB

On Monday, November 25, 2013 1:11:47 PM UTC-5, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>
> The rear stay QR trick is a good one - mine has been set up that way from 
> the beginning. 
>
> IIRC, the largest tires the QB can handle is 45 - which you had mounted - 
> http://cyclofiend.com/rbw/quickbeam/<http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fcyclofiend.com%2Frbw%2Fquickbeam%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNE8-Ldj_1e1PsQ-wkqBQ7LH6zM06Q>
>
> - J
>
> On Monday, November 25, 2013 10:08:08 AM UTC-8, Philip Williamson wrote:
>>
>> I find fat tires (32mm) run into the chainstay bridge on my other fixed 
>> gear, so I prefer the track ends.
>> I had SKS fenders with the QRs on the rear as well as the fork. To change 
>> the wheel, I just popped the rear stays out of the quick releases to free 
>> up the fenders. 
>>
>> Philip
>> www.biketinker.com<http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.biketinker.com&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNHQ7rECiOZi3g57gDuuurKPduxuag>
>>  
>>
>> On Monday, November 25, 2013 8:05:42 AM UTC-8, Pudge wrote:
>>>
>>>  One solution for the tire removal issue is to use flat wooden fenders, 
>>> which bend very easily outward away from the tire, allowing easy removal.  
>>> Of course, there are always trade-offs – such fenders aren’t as functional 
>>> as a good plastic or metal curved fender, but in non-downpours, and with a 
>>> mudflap, they’re not bad.
>>>
>>>  
>>>  
>>> *From:* [email protected] [mailto:
>>> [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Eric Norris
>>> *Sent:* Monday, November 25, 2013 10:41 AM
>>> *To:* [email protected]
>>> *Subject:* Re: [RBW] Re: Why no more Quickbeam/ SimpleOne?
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>> My suggestion for a future reissue of the QB/SO: Horizontal drops, 
>>> angled like the track ends on the QB. Track ends are certainly traditional 
>>> for fixed gear bikes (and I suppose for single-speeds), but they make it 
>>> more difficult to get the rear wheel in and out, especially with fenders. 
>>> On my QB, I have to put the rear wheel in the frame with the tire 
>>> deflated--there's barely enough clearance to squeeze it in, and moving the 
>>> fender far enough back for adequate clearance would result in an ugly and 
>>> unacceptable chain line.
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>> Extra-long horizontal drops, cut out of the same material as those on 
>>> the original QB, would make the bike more nearly perfect.
>>>  
>>>
>>> Eric N
>>>  
>>> www.CampyOnly.com<http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.CampyOnly.com&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNGVwva41esUdeSnIzp2-tzqJWdDdw>
>>>  
>>> CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com<http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2FCampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNFtSPqcPhRgNADDiTdPqOB1Vm-icQ>
>>>  
>>> Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy
>>>   
>>>
>>>  
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Why no more Quickbeam/ SimpleOne?

2013-11-26 Thread Matthew J 
Discussed EBBs with Mike DeSalvo (of DeSalvo Bikes).  He likes and uses 
them but warns the owner has to be vigilant about keeping them clean 
otherwise grime build up will shorten their useful lifespan.

Not an issue for an MTB racer who constantly maintains (or if real good has 
a crew that constantly maintains) an event bike.  But may be an issue for a 
daily commuter where constant cleaning is not practical.  

Something to keep in mind anyway.

On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 3:28:38 AM UTC-6, Philip Williamson wrote:
>
> If eccentric bottom brackets are good enough for Jeff Jones and Sam at 
> Singular, they'll probably work for me. And Niner. They might all use Phil 
> EBBs; not sure. Making all your adjustments at the crank end of things 
> seems to remove a bunch of variables (while introducing seat tube angle and 
> BB height minutia). Always something to obsess over. 
>
> Philip
> www.biketinker.com
>
> On Monday, November 25, 2013 3:12:58 PM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> One more: As to eccentric BBs, I've researched and there is quite a bit 
>> of scuttlebutt about creaking, loosening -- they apparently have their own 
>> set of problems.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 4:11 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>>> I *get* it! Clever! I wish I could try that with the Surly hub on the 
>>> '03, but the axle has caps with little shelves that fit into the dropouts 
>>> -- you have to slide them along the dropout to remove the wheel.
>>>
>>> In fact, maybe not so clever: My Phil flip flop also have these 
>>> "shelves" or what have you that fit into the slots -- again, no "drop down" 
>>> removal.
>>>
>>> Is there a hub like that Bill has in mind?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 1:39 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>>
 Tinker

 I like the horizontal dropout to allow for correcting chain tension on 
 a single speed.  Then, with the wheel in the right position, you dial in 
 the fender.  Now that's fixed "forever".  You subsequently remove the 
 wheel 
 by removing the bolts from the hub and the wheel drops out.  


 On Monday, November 25, 2013 12:35:20 PM UTC-8, Philip Williamson wrote:
>
> How would you adjust chain tension? Eccentric BB? White Industries 
> Eccentric ENO hub?
> I'd vote for the BB, to let people run any wheels they want or have. 
>
> Philip
> www.biketinker.com
>
> On Monday, November 25, 2013 10:18:49 AM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> I'm not in the market for a single speed, but if I had a single 
>> speed, it would likely have fenders.  If it had fenders, it would likely 
>> have correct or close to correct fender line.  As such it would be 
>> impossible to remove the rear wheel either rearward with track-like 
>> dropouts or forward with horizontal road type dropouts.  
>>
>> So, if it were me, I would simply run a good, MUSA rear hub that is 
>> bolted on with bolts, not nutted on with nuts.  The offering from Phil 
>> and 
>> Paul and White Industries and Chris King all have these allen bolts. 
>>  Remove the two allen bolts entirely and the wheel drops out of the drop 
>> out.  No more problem.  You can have perfect fender line, and can remove 
>> your rear wheel without deflating it.  It will add between 30 and 60 
>> seconds to the total amount of time it takes to fix your flat.   
>>
>> On Monday, November 25, 2013 10:08:08 AM UTC-8, Philip Williamson 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I find fat tires (32mm) run into the chainstay bridge on my other 
>>> fixed gear, so I prefer the track ends.
>>> I had SKS fenders with the QRs on the rear as well as the fork. To 
>>> change the wheel, I just popped the rear stays out of the quick 
>>> releases to 
>>> free up the fenders. 
>>>
>>> Philip
>>> www.biketinker.com
>>>  
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 25, 2013 8:05:42 AM UTC-8, Pudge wrote:

  One solution for the tire removal issue is to use flat wooden 
 fenders, which bend very easily outward away from the tire, allowing 
 easy 
 removal.  Of course, there are always trade-offs – such fenders aren’t 
 as 
 functional as a good plastic or metal curved fender, but in 
 non-downpours, 
 and with a mudflap, they’re not bad.

  
  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Why no more Quickbeam/ SimpleOne?

2013-11-26 Thread Philip Williamson 
If eccentric bottom brackets are good enough for Jeff Jones and Sam at 
Singular, they'll probably work for me. And Niner. They might all use Phil 
EBBs; not sure. Making all your adjustments at the crank end of things 
seems to remove a bunch of variables (while introducing seat tube angle and 
BB height minutia). Always something to obsess over. 

Philip
www.biketinker.com

On Monday, November 25, 2013 3:12:58 PM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> One more: As to eccentric BBs, I've researched and there is quite a bit of 
> scuttlebutt about creaking, loosening -- they apparently have their own set 
> of problems.
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 4:11 PM, Patrick Moore 
> > wrote:
>
>> I *get* it! Clever! I wish I could try that with the Surly hub on the 
>> '03, but the axle has caps with little shelves that fit into the dropouts 
>> -- you have to slide them along the dropout to remove the wheel.
>>
>> In fact, maybe not so clever: My Phil flip flop also have these "shelves" 
>> or what have you that fit into the slots -- again, no "drop down" removal.
>>
>> Is there a hub like that Bill has in mind?
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 1:39 PM, Bill Lindsay 
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Tinker
>>>
>>> I like the horizontal dropout to allow for correcting chain tension on a 
>>> single speed.  Then, with the wheel in the right position, you dial in the 
>>> fender.  Now that's fixed "forever".  You subsequently remove the wheel by 
>>> removing the bolts from the hub and the wheel drops out.  
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 25, 2013 12:35:20 PM UTC-8, Philip Williamson wrote:

 How would you adjust chain tension? Eccentric BB? White Industries 
 Eccentric ENO hub?
 I'd vote for the BB, to let people run any wheels they want or have. 

 Philip
 www.biketinker.com

 On Monday, November 25, 2013 10:18:49 AM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> I'm not in the market for a single speed, but if I had a single speed, 
> it would likely have fenders.  If it had fenders, it would likely have 
> correct or close to correct fender line.  As such it would be impossible 
> to 
> remove the rear wheel either rearward with track-like dropouts or forward 
> with horizontal road type dropouts.  
>
> So, if it were me, I would simply run a good, MUSA rear hub that is 
> bolted on with bolts, not nutted on with nuts.  The offering from Phil 
> and 
> Paul and White Industries and Chris King all have these allen bolts. 
>  Remove the two allen bolts entirely and the wheel drops out of the drop 
> out.  No more problem.  You can have perfect fender line, and can remove 
> your rear wheel without deflating it.  It will add between 30 and 60 
> seconds to the total amount of time it takes to fix your flat.   
>
> On Monday, November 25, 2013 10:08:08 AM UTC-8, Philip Williamson 
> wrote:
>>
>> I find fat tires (32mm) run into the chainstay bridge on my other 
>> fixed gear, so I prefer the track ends.
>> I had SKS fenders with the QRs on the rear as well as the fork. To 
>> change the wheel, I just popped the rear stays out of the quick releases 
>> to 
>> free up the fenders. 
>>
>> Philip
>> www.biketinker.com
>>  
>>
>> On Monday, November 25, 2013 8:05:42 AM UTC-8, Pudge wrote:
>>>
>>>  One solution for the tire removal issue is to use flat wooden 
>>> fenders, which bend very easily outward away from the tire, allowing 
>>> easy 
>>> removal.  Of course, there are always trade-offs – such fenders aren’t 
>>> as 
>>> functional as a good plastic or metal curved fender, but in 
>>> non-downpours, 
>>> and with a mudflap, they’re not bad.
>>>
>>>  
>>>  
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Why no more Quickbeam/ SimpleOne?

2013-11-25 Thread Patrick Moore 
Got it!


On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 4:26 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> "and an ENO is very useful for that. But even the ENO has its liabilities"
>
> Both you and biketinker have attributed an opinion to me that I never
> stated.  I am NOT recommending vertical dropouts for a singlespeed bike.  I
> do think that vertical dropouts are the one and only sensible choice for 
> *derailer
> equipped* bikes.  That is my opinion, and that's what I stated.
>
> I think horizontal dropouts are the most sensible choice for a
> singlespeed.  I am not a fan of the eccentric ENO rear hub.
>
> The hubs I have personally used that enabled rear wheel "dropping out"
>
> Chris King with their fun bolts (on a custom Independent Fabrication
> Planet Cross)
> Paul WORD (spare wheels on same Indy Fab)
> White Industries ENO (not eccentric) on a Bianchi San Jose
>
> Only on the Bianchi San Jose did I have fenders.  When I moved to the top
> of a long 12% hill I divested myself of all single speed interests.
>
>
> On Monday, November 25, 2013 3:09:02 PM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 1:15 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>
>>> [...]
>>> My main point is that for the everybody else who is not so lucky, the
>>> universal solution for getting your wheel out from a perfect fender is to
>>> allow your rear wheel to "drop out".  That's one of the reasons why
>>> vertical dropouts are the thing to have on a derailer equipped bike, in my
>>> opinion.  For bikes that cannot have vertical dropouts, you can still
>>> easily make your rear wheel drop-out with a rear hub with removable bolts.
>>>
>>
>> I very much agree, and an ENO is very useful for that. But even the ENO
>> has its liabilities: in my own experience, limited take-up (2 cogs max);
>> and crowding the brake bridge on one bike (I had to be careful to rotate
>> the axle downward, contrary to the way it wanted to rotate under the weight
>> of the bike; and, last one, making rear pad adjustment fiddly, since  you
>> have to adjust for the slack and the tight chain positions.
>>
>> I think the ENO is a wonderful device, having used two on two different
>> bikes, but it too has its liabilities.
>>
>> Maybe the solution is an elastic chain!
>>
>>>
>>> What have your "erstwhile Honjos" become?  If they used to be Honjos,
>>> did they become SKF's?  Or perhaps you meant that they were formerly
>>> *yours*, not that they were formerly *Honjos*.  haha ;-)
>>>
>>
>> They transmogrified into Longboards. Not really. They got dumped -- long
>> story. But they did end up in a user's hands, so not a waste.
>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 25, 2013 11:46:09 AM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:

 A good fender line is not at all impossible with horizontals. My
 erstwhile Honjos looked perfect on the Curt and wheel removal was not a
 problem (32 mm tires). But I have to admit that this serendipity was just
 that -- by chance.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Why no more Quickbeam/ SimpleOne?

2013-11-25 Thread Bill Lindsay 
"and an ENO is very useful for that. But even the ENO has its liabilities"

Both you and biketinker have attributed an opinion to me that I never 
stated.  I am NOT recommending vertical dropouts for a singlespeed bike.  I 
do think that vertical dropouts are the one and only sensible choice for 
*derailer 
equipped* bikes.  That is my opinion, and that's what I stated.  

I think horizontal dropouts are the most sensible choice for a singlespeed. 
 I am not a fan of the eccentric ENO rear hub.  

The hubs I have personally used that enabled rear wheel "dropping out"

Chris King with their fun bolts (on a custom Independent Fabrication Planet 
Cross)
Paul WORD (spare wheels on same Indy Fab)
White Industries ENO (not eccentric) on a Bianchi San Jose

Only on the Bianchi San Jose did I have fenders.  When I moved to the top 
of a long 12% hill I divested myself of all single speed interests.  


On Monday, November 25, 2013 3:09:02 PM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 1:15 PM, Bill Lindsay 
> > wrote:
>
>> [...]
>> My main point is that for the everybody else who is not so lucky, the 
>> universal solution for getting your wheel out from a perfect fender is to 
>> allow your rear wheel to "drop out".  That's one of the reasons why 
>> vertical dropouts are the thing to have on a derailer equipped bike, in my 
>> opinion.  For bikes that cannot have vertical dropouts, you can still 
>> easily make your rear wheel drop-out with a rear hub with removable bolts.  
>>
>
> I very much agree, and an ENO is very useful for that. But even the ENO 
> has its liabilities: in my own experience, limited take-up (2 cogs max); 
> and crowding the brake bridge on one bike (I had to be careful to rotate 
> the axle downward, contrary to the way it wanted to rotate under the weight 
> of the bike; and, last one, making rear pad adjustment fiddly, since  you 
> have to adjust for the slack and the tight chain positions. 
>
> I think the ENO is a wonderful device, having used two on two different 
> bikes, but it too has its liabilities.
>
> Maybe the solution is an elastic chain!
>
>>
>> What have your "erstwhile Honjos" become?  If they used to be Honjos, did 
>> they become SKF's?  Or perhaps you meant that they were formerly *yours*, 
>> not that they were formerly *Honjos*.  haha ;-)
>>
>
> They transmogrified into Longboards. Not really. They got dumped -- long 
> story. But they did end up in a user's hands, so not a waste. 
>
>>
>> On Monday, November 25, 2013 11:46:09 AM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>> A good fender line is not at all impossible with horizontals. My 
>>> erstwhile Honjos looked perfect on the Curt and wheel removal was not a 
>>> problem (32 mm tires). But I have to admit that this serendipity was just 
>>> that -- by chance.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Why no more Quickbeam/ SimpleOne?

2013-11-25 Thread Patrick Moore 
One more: As to eccentric BBs, I've researched and there is quite a bit of
scuttlebutt about creaking, loosening -- they apparently have their own set
of problems.


On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 4:11 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> I *get* it! Clever! I wish I could try that with the Surly hub on the '03,
> but the axle has caps with little shelves that fit into the dropouts -- you
> have to slide them along the dropout to remove the wheel.
>
> In fact, maybe not so clever: My Phil flip flop also have these "shelves"
> or what have you that fit into the slots -- again, no "drop down" removal.
>
> Is there a hub like that Bill has in mind?
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 1:39 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
>> Tinker
>>
>> I like the horizontal dropout to allow for correcting chain tension on a
>> single speed.  Then, with the wheel in the right position, you dial in the
>> fender.  Now that's fixed "forever".  You subsequently remove the wheel by
>> removing the bolts from the hub and the wheel drops out.
>>
>>
>> On Monday, November 25, 2013 12:35:20 PM UTC-8, Philip Williamson wrote:
>>>
>>> How would you adjust chain tension? Eccentric BB? White Industries
>>> Eccentric ENO hub?
>>> I'd vote for the BB, to let people run any wheels they want or have.
>>>
>>> Philip
>>> www.biketinker.com
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 25, 2013 10:18:49 AM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:

 I'm not in the market for a single speed, but if I had a single speed,
 it would likely have fenders.  If it had fenders, it would likely have
 correct or close to correct fender line.  As such it would be impossible to
 remove the rear wheel either rearward with track-like dropouts or forward
 with horizontal road type dropouts.

 So, if it were me, I would simply run a good, MUSA rear hub that is
 bolted on with bolts, not nutted on with nuts.  The offering from Phil and
 Paul and White Industries and Chris King all have these allen bolts.
  Remove the two allen bolts entirely and the wheel drops out of the drop
 out.  No more problem.  You can have perfect fender line, and can remove
 your rear wheel without deflating it.  It will add between 30 and 60
 seconds to the total amount of time it takes to fix your flat.

 On Monday, November 25, 2013 10:08:08 AM UTC-8, Philip Williamson wrote:
>
> I find fat tires (32mm) run into the chainstay bridge on my other
> fixed gear, so I prefer the track ends.
> I had SKS fenders with the QRs on the rear as well as the fork. To
> change the wheel, I just popped the rear stays out of the quick releases 
> to
> free up the fenders.
>
> Philip
> www.biketinker.com
>
>
> On Monday, November 25, 2013 8:05:42 AM UTC-8, Pudge wrote:
>>
>>  One solution for the tire removal issue is to use flat wooden
>> fenders, which bend very easily outward away from the tire, allowing easy
>> removal.  Of course, there are always trade-offs – such fenders aren’t as
>> functional as a good plastic or metal curved fender, but in 
>> non-downpours,
>> and with a mudflap, they’re not bad.
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Why no more Quickbeam/ SimpleOne?

2013-11-25 Thread Patrick Moore 
I *get* it! Clever! I wish I could try that with the Surly hub on the '03,
but the axle has caps with little shelves that fit into the dropouts -- you
have to slide them along the dropout to remove the wheel.

In fact, maybe not so clever: My Phil flip flop also have these "shelves"
or what have you that fit into the slots -- again, no "drop down" removal.

Is there a hub like that Bill has in mind?


On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 1:39 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> Tinker
>
> I like the horizontal dropout to allow for correcting chain tension on a
> single speed.  Then, with the wheel in the right position, you dial in the
> fender.  Now that's fixed "forever".  You subsequently remove the wheel by
> removing the bolts from the hub and the wheel drops out.
>
>
> On Monday, November 25, 2013 12:35:20 PM UTC-8, Philip Williamson wrote:
>>
>> How would you adjust chain tension? Eccentric BB? White Industries
>> Eccentric ENO hub?
>> I'd vote for the BB, to let people run any wheels they want or have.
>>
>> Philip
>> www.biketinker.com
>>
>> On Monday, November 25, 2013 10:18:49 AM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm not in the market for a single speed, but if I had a single speed,
>>> it would likely have fenders.  If it had fenders, it would likely have
>>> correct or close to correct fender line.  As such it would be impossible to
>>> remove the rear wheel either rearward with track-like dropouts or forward
>>> with horizontal road type dropouts.
>>>
>>> So, if it were me, I would simply run a good, MUSA rear hub that is
>>> bolted on with bolts, not nutted on with nuts.  The offering from Phil and
>>> Paul and White Industries and Chris King all have these allen bolts.
>>>  Remove the two allen bolts entirely and the wheel drops out of the drop
>>> out.  No more problem.  You can have perfect fender line, and can remove
>>> your rear wheel without deflating it.  It will add between 30 and 60
>>> seconds to the total amount of time it takes to fix your flat.
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 25, 2013 10:08:08 AM UTC-8, Philip Williamson wrote:

 I find fat tires (32mm) run into the chainstay bridge on my other fixed
 gear, so I prefer the track ends.
 I had SKS fenders with the QRs on the rear as well as the fork. To
 change the wheel, I just popped the rear stays out of the quick releases to
 free up the fenders.

 Philip
 www.biketinker.com


 On Monday, November 25, 2013 8:05:42 AM UTC-8, Pudge wrote:
>
>  One solution for the tire removal issue is to use flat wooden
> fenders, which bend very easily outward away from the tire, allowing easy
> removal.  Of course, there are always trade-offs – such fenders aren’t as
> functional as a good plastic or metal curved fender, but in non-downpours,
> and with a mudflap, they’re not bad.
>
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Why no more Quickbeam/ SimpleOne?

2013-11-25 Thread Patrick Moore 
On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 1:15 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> [...]
> My main point is that for the everybody else who is not so lucky, the
> universal solution for getting your wheel out from a perfect fender is to
> allow your rear wheel to "drop out".  That's one of the reasons why
> vertical dropouts are the thing to have on a derailer equipped bike, in my
> opinion.  For bikes that cannot have vertical dropouts, you can still
> easily make your rear wheel drop-out with a rear hub with removable bolts.
>

I very much agree, and an ENO is very useful for that. But even the ENO has
its liabilities: in my own experience, limited take-up (2 cogs max); and
crowding the brake bridge on one bike (I had to be careful to rotate the
axle downward, contrary to the way it wanted to rotate under the weight of
the bike; and, last one, making rear pad adjustment fiddly, since  you have
to adjust for the slack and the tight chain positions.

I think the ENO is a wonderful device, having used two on two different
bikes, but it too has its liabilities.

Maybe the solution is an elastic chain!

>
> What have your "erstwhile Honjos" become?  If they used to be Honjos, did
> they become SKF's?  Or perhaps you meant that they were formerly *yours*,
> not that they were formerly *Honjos*.  haha ;-)
>

They transmogrified into Longboards. Not really. They got dumped -- long
story. But they did end up in a user's hands, so not a waste.

>
> On Monday, November 25, 2013 11:46:09 AM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> A good fender line is not at all impossible with horizontals. My
>> erstwhile Honjos looked perfect on the Curt and wheel removal was not a
>> problem (32 mm tires). But I have to admit that this serendipity was just
>> that -- by chance.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Why no more Quickbeam/ SimpleOne?

2013-11-25 Thread Eric Daume 
I don't have any issues with removing (true) 35mm tires on my Crosscheck
with its forward horizontal dropouts--so it's certainly possible.

Eric "it's/its" correctly punctuated, I hope" Daume
Dublin, OH


On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 1:08 PM, Philip Williamson <
[email protected]> wrote:

> I find fat tires (32mm) run into the chainstay bridge on my other fixed
> gear, so I prefer the track ends.
> I had SKS fenders with the QRs on the rear as well as the fork. To change
> the wheel, I just popped the rear stays out of the quick releases to free
> up the fenders.
>
> Philip
> www.biketinker.com
>
>
> On Monday, November 25, 2013 8:05:42 AM UTC-8, Pudge wrote:
>
>>  One solution for the tire removal issue is to use flat wooden fenders,
>> which bend very easily outward away from the tire, allowing easy removal.
>> Of course, there are always trade-offs – such fenders aren’t as functional
>> as a good plastic or metal curved fender, but in non-downpours, and with a
>> mudflap, they’re not bad.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
>> *On Behalf Of *Eric Norris
>>
>> *Sent:* Monday, November 25, 2013 10:41 AM
>> *To:* [email protected]
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [RBW] Re: Why no more Quickbeam/ SimpleOne?
>>
>>
>>
>> My suggestion for a future reissue of the QB/SO: Horizontal drops, angled
>> like the track ends on the QB. Track ends are certainly traditional for
>> fixed gear bikes (and I suppose for single-speeds), but they make it more
>> difficult to get the rear wheel in and out, especially with fenders. On my
>> QB, I have to put the rear wheel in the frame with the tire
>> deflated--there's barely enough clearance to squeeze it in, and moving the
>> fender far enough back for adequate clearance would result in an ugly and
>> unacceptable chain line.
>>
>>
>>
>> Extra-long horizontal drops, cut out of the same material as those on the
>> original QB, would make the bike more nearly perfect.
>>
>>
>> Eric N
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Why no more Quickbeam/ SimpleOne?

2013-11-25 Thread Bill Lindsay 
Tinker

I like the horizontal dropout to allow for correcting chain tension on a 
single speed.  Then, with the wheel in the right position, you dial in the 
fender.  Now that's fixed "forever".  You subsequently remove the wheel by 
removing the bolts from the hub and the wheel drops out.  

On Monday, November 25, 2013 12:35:20 PM UTC-8, Philip Williamson wrote:
>
> How would you adjust chain tension? Eccentric BB? White Industries 
> Eccentric ENO hub?
> I'd vote for the BB, to let people run any wheels they want or have. 
>
> Philip
> www.biketinker.com
>
> On Monday, November 25, 2013 10:18:49 AM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> I'm not in the market for a single speed, but if I had a single speed, it 
>> would likely have fenders.  If it had fenders, it would likely have correct 
>> or close to correct fender line.  As such it would be impossible to remove 
>> the rear wheel either rearward with track-like dropouts or forward with 
>> horizontal road type dropouts.  
>>
>> So, if it were me, I would simply run a good, MUSA rear hub that is 
>> bolted on with bolts, not nutted on with nuts.  The offering from Phil and 
>> Paul and White Industries and Chris King all have these allen bolts. 
>>  Remove the two allen bolts entirely and the wheel drops out of the drop 
>> out.  No more problem.  You can have perfect fender line, and can remove 
>> your rear wheel without deflating it.  It will add between 30 and 60 
>> seconds to the total amount of time it takes to fix your flat.   
>>
>> On Monday, November 25, 2013 10:08:08 AM UTC-8, Philip Williamson wrote:
>>>
>>> I find fat tires (32mm) run into the chainstay bridge on my other fixed 
>>> gear, so I prefer the track ends.
>>> I had SKS fenders with the QRs on the rear as well as the fork. To 
>>> change the wheel, I just popped the rear stays out of the quick releases to 
>>> free up the fenders. 
>>>
>>> Philip
>>> www.biketinker.com
>>>  
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 25, 2013 8:05:42 AM UTC-8, Pudge wrote:

  One solution for the tire removal issue is to use flat wooden 
 fenders, which bend very easily outward away from the tire, allowing easy 
 removal.  Of course, there are always trade-offs – such fenders aren’t as 
 functional as a good plastic or metal curved fender, but in non-downpours, 
 and with a mudflap, they’re not bad.

  
  



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RE: [RBW] Re: Why no more Quickbeam/ SimpleOne?

2013-11-25 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J 
+1.  That's the only thing I think I'd change about my QB

From: [email protected] 
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Philip Williamson
Sent: Monday, November 25, 2013 3:35 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Why no more Quickbeam/ SimpleOne?

How would you adjust chain tension? Eccentric BB? White Industries Eccentric 
ENO hub?
I'd vote for the BB, to let people run any wheels they want or have.

Philip
www.biketinker.com<http://www.biketinker.com>

On Monday, November 25, 2013 10:18:49 AM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
I'm not in the market for a single speed, but if I had a single speed, it would 
likely have fenders.  If it had fenders, it would likely have correct or close 
to correct fender line.  As such it would be impossible to remove the rear 
wheel either rearward with track-like dropouts or forward with horizontal road 
type dropouts.

So, if it were me, I would simply run a good, MUSA rear hub that is bolted on 
with bolts, not nutted on with nuts.  The offering from Phil and Paul and White 
Industries and Chris King all have these allen bolts.  Remove the two allen 
bolts entirely and the wheel drops out of the drop out.  No more problem.  You 
can have perfect fender line, and can remove your rear wheel without deflating 
it.  It will add between 30 and 60 seconds to the total amount of time it takes 
to fix your flat.

On Monday, November 25, 2013 10:08:08 AM UTC-8, Philip Williamson wrote:
I find fat tires (32mm) run into the chainstay bridge on my other fixed gear, 
so I prefer the track ends.
I had SKS fenders with the QRs on the rear as well as the fork. To change the 
wheel, I just popped the rear stays out of the quick releases to free up the 
fenders.

Philip
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On Monday, November 25, 2013 8:05:42 AM UTC-8, Pudge wrote:
One solution for the tire removal issue is to use flat wooden fenders, which 
bend very easily outward away from the tire, allowing easy removal.  Of course, 
there are always trade-offs - such fenders aren't as functional as a good 
plastic or metal curved fender, but in non-downpours, and with a mudflap, 
they're not bad.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Why no more Quickbeam/ SimpleOne?

2013-11-25 Thread Philip Williamson 
How would you adjust chain tension? Eccentric BB? White Industries 
Eccentric ENO hub?
I'd vote for the BB, to let people run any wheels they want or have. 

Philip
www.biketinker.com

On Monday, November 25, 2013 10:18:49 AM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> I'm not in the market for a single speed, but if I had a single speed, it 
> would likely have fenders.  If it had fenders, it would likely have correct 
> or close to correct fender line.  As such it would be impossible to remove 
> the rear wheel either rearward with track-like dropouts or forward with 
> horizontal road type dropouts.  
>
> So, if it were me, I would simply run a good, MUSA rear hub that is bolted 
> on with bolts, not nutted on with nuts.  The offering from Phil and Paul 
> and White Industries and Chris King all have these allen bolts.  Remove the 
> two allen bolts entirely and the wheel drops out of the drop out.  No more 
> problem.  You can have perfect fender line, and can remove your rear wheel 
> without deflating it.  It will add between 30 and 60 seconds to the total 
> amount of time it takes to fix your flat.   
>
> On Monday, November 25, 2013 10:08:08 AM UTC-8, Philip Williamson wrote:
>>
>> I find fat tires (32mm) run into the chainstay bridge on my other fixed 
>> gear, so I prefer the track ends.
>> I had SKS fenders with the QRs on the rear as well as the fork. To change 
>> the wheel, I just popped the rear stays out of the quick releases to free 
>> up the fenders. 
>>
>> Philip
>> www.biketinker.com
>>  
>>
>> On Monday, November 25, 2013 8:05:42 AM UTC-8, Pudge wrote:
>>>
>>>  One solution for the tire removal issue is to use flat wooden fenders, 
>>> which bend very easily outward away from the tire, allowing easy removal.  
>>> Of course, there are always trade-offs – such fenders aren’t as functional 
>>> as a good plastic or metal curved fender, but in non-downpours, and with a 
>>> mudflap, they’re not bad.
>>>
>>>  
>>>  
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Why no more Quickbeam/ SimpleOne?

2013-11-25 Thread Bill Lindsay 
I humbly concede that point.  It is possible by luck to end up with both 
good fender line and easy wheel removal with horizontals, and it is 
similarly possible with track ends.  

My main point is that for the everybody else who is not so lucky, the 
universal solution for getting your wheel out from a perfect fender is to 
allow your rear wheel to "drop out".  That's one of the reasons why 
vertical dropouts are the thing to have on a derailer equipped bike, in my 
opinion.  For bikes that cannot have vertical dropouts, you can still 
easily make your rear wheel drop-out with a rear hub with removable bolts.  

What have your "erstwhile Honjos" become?  If they used to be Honjos, did 
they become SKF's?  Or perhaps you meant that they were formerly *yours*, 
not that they were formerly *Honjos*.  haha ;-)

On Monday, November 25, 2013 11:46:09 AM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> A good fender line is not at all impossible with horizontals. My erstwhile 
> Honjos looked perfect on the Curt and wheel removal was not a problem (32 
> mm tires). But I have to admit that this serendipity was just that -- by 
> chance.
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 11:18 AM, Bill Lindsay 
> > wrote:
>
>> I'm not in the market for a single speed, but if I had a single speed, it 
>> would likely have fenders.  If it had fenders, it would likely have correct 
>> or close to correct fender line.  As such it would be impossible to remove 
>> the rear wheel either rearward with track-like dropouts or forward with 
>> horizontal road type dropouts.  
>>
>> So, if it were me, I would simply run a good, MUSA rear hub that is 
>> bolted on with bolts, not nutted on with nuts.  The offering from Phil and 
>> Paul and White Industries and Chris King all have these allen bolts. 
>>  Remove the two allen bolts entirely and the wheel drops out of the drop 
>> out.  No more problem.  You can have perfect fender line, and can remove 
>> your rear wheel without deflating it.  It will add between 30 and 60 
>> seconds to the total amount of time it takes to fix your flat.   
>>
>> On Monday, November 25, 2013 10:08:08 AM UTC-8, Philip Williamson wrote:
>>
>>> I find fat tires (32mm) run into the chainstay bridge on my other fixed 
>>> gear, so I prefer the track ends.
>>> I had SKS fenders with the QRs on the rear as well as the fork. To 
>>> change the wheel, I just popped the rear stays out of the quick releases to 
>>> free up the fenders. 
>>>
>>> Philip
>>> www.biketinker.com
>>>  
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 25, 2013 8:05:42 AM UTC-8, Pudge wrote:

  One solution for the tire removal issue is to use flat wooden 
 fenders, which bend very easily outward away from the tire, allowing easy 
 removal.  Of course, there are always trade-offs – such fenders aren’t as 
 functional as a good plastic or metal curved fender, but in non-downpours, 
 and with a mudflap, they’re not bad.

  
  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Why no more Quickbeam/ SimpleOne?

2013-11-25 Thread Patrick Moore 
A good fender line is not at all impossible with horizontals. My erstwhile
Honjos looked perfect on the Curt and wheel removal was not a problem (32
mm tires). But I have to admit that this serendipity was just that -- by
chance.


On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 11:18 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> I'm not in the market for a single speed, but if I had a single speed, it
> would likely have fenders.  If it had fenders, it would likely have correct
> or close to correct fender line.  As such it would be impossible to remove
> the rear wheel either rearward with track-like dropouts or forward with
> horizontal road type dropouts.
>
> So, if it were me, I would simply run a good, MUSA rear hub that is bolted
> on with bolts, not nutted on with nuts.  The offering from Phil and Paul
> and White Industries and Chris King all have these allen bolts.  Remove the
> two allen bolts entirely and the wheel drops out of the drop out.  No more
> problem.  You can have perfect fender line, and can remove your rear wheel
> without deflating it.  It will add between 30 and 60 seconds to the total
> amount of time it takes to fix your flat.
>
> On Monday, November 25, 2013 10:08:08 AM UTC-8, Philip Williamson wrote:
>
>> I find fat tires (32mm) run into the chainstay bridge on my other fixed
>> gear, so I prefer the track ends.
>> I had SKS fenders with the QRs on the rear as well as the fork. To change
>> the wheel, I just popped the rear stays out of the quick releases to free
>> up the fenders.
>>
>> Philip
>> www.biketinker.com
>>
>>
>> On Monday, November 25, 2013 8:05:42 AM UTC-8, Pudge wrote:
>>>
>>>  One solution for the tire removal issue is to use flat wooden fenders,
>>> which bend very easily outward away from the tire, allowing easy removal.
>>> Of course, there are always trade-offs – such fenders aren’t as functional
>>> as a good plastic or metal curved fender, but in non-downpours, and with a
>>> mudflap, they’re not bad.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Why no more Quickbeam/ SimpleOne?

2013-11-25 Thread Bill Lindsay 
I'm not in the market for a single speed, but if I had a single speed, it 
would likely have fenders.  If it had fenders, it would likely have correct 
or close to correct fender line.  As such it would be impossible to remove 
the rear wheel either rearward with track-like dropouts or forward with 
horizontal road type dropouts.  

So, if it were me, I would simply run a good, MUSA rear hub that is bolted 
on with bolts, not nutted on with nuts.  The offering from Phil and Paul 
and White Industries and Chris King all have these allen bolts.  Remove the 
two allen bolts entirely and the wheel drops out of the drop out.  No more 
problem.  You can have perfect fender line, and can remove your rear wheel 
without deflating it.  It will add between 30 and 60 seconds to the total 
amount of time it takes to fix your flat.   

On Monday, November 25, 2013 10:08:08 AM UTC-8, Philip Williamson wrote:
>
> I find fat tires (32mm) run into the chainstay bridge on my other fixed 
> gear, so I prefer the track ends.
> I had SKS fenders with the QRs on the rear as well as the fork. To change 
> the wheel, I just popped the rear stays out of the quick releases to free 
> up the fenders. 
>
> Philip
> www.biketinker.com
>  
>
> On Monday, November 25, 2013 8:05:42 AM UTC-8, Pudge wrote:
>>
>>  One solution for the tire removal issue is to use flat wooden fenders, 
>> which bend very easily outward away from the tire, allowing easy removal.  
>> Of course, there are always trade-offs – such fenders aren’t as functional 
>> as a good plastic or metal curved fender, but in non-downpours, and with a 
>> mudflap, they’re not bad.
>>
>>  
>>  
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Why no more Quickbeam/ SimpleOne?

2013-11-25 Thread Cyclofiend Jim 
The rear stay QR trick is a good one - mine has been set up that way from 
the beginning. 

IIRC, the largest tires the QB can handle is 45 - which you had mounted - 
http://cyclofiend.com/rbw/quickbeam/

- J

On Monday, November 25, 2013 10:08:08 AM UTC-8, Philip Williamson wrote:
>
> I find fat tires (32mm) run into the chainstay bridge on my other fixed 
> gear, so I prefer the track ends.
> I had SKS fenders with the QRs on the rear as well as the fork. To change 
> the wheel, I just popped the rear stays out of the quick releases to free 
> up the fenders. 
>
> Philip
> www.biketinker.com<http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.biketinker.com&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNHQ7rECiOZi3g57gDuuurKPduxuag>
>  
>
> On Monday, November 25, 2013 8:05:42 AM UTC-8, Pudge wrote:
>>
>>  One solution for the tire removal issue is to use flat wooden fenders, 
>> which bend very easily outward away from the tire, allowing easy removal.  
>> Of course, there are always trade-offs – such fenders aren’t as functional 
>> as a good plastic or metal curved fender, but in non-downpours, and with a 
>> mudflap, they’re not bad.
>>
>>  
>>  
>> *From:* [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] 
>> *On Behalf Of *Eric Norris
>> *Sent:* Monday, November 25, 2013 10:41 AM
>> *To:* [email protected]
>> *Subject:* Re: [RBW] Re: Why no more Quickbeam/ SimpleOne?
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> My suggestion for a future reissue of the QB/SO: Horizontal drops, angled 
>> like the track ends on the QB. Track ends are certainly traditional for 
>> fixed gear bikes (and I suppose for single-speeds), but they make it more 
>> difficult to get the rear wheel in and out, especially with fenders. On my 
>> QB, I have to put the rear wheel in the frame with the tire 
>> deflated--there's barely enough clearance to squeeze it in, and moving the 
>> fender far enough back for adequate clearance would result in an ugly and 
>> unacceptable chain line.
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> Extra-long horizontal drops, cut out of the same material as those on the 
>> original QB, would make the bike more nearly perfect.
>>  
>>
>> Eric N
>>  
>> www.CampyOnly.com<http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.CampyOnly.com&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNGVwva41esUdeSnIzp2-tzqJWdDdw>
>>  
>> CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com<http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2FCampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNFtSPqcPhRgNADDiTdPqOB1Vm-icQ>
>>  
>> Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy
>>   
>>
>>  
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Re: [RBW] Re: Why no more Quickbeam/ SimpleOne?

2013-11-25 Thread Patrick Moore 
To tag along with my other question:

Can a competent builder make his own long, horizontal dropouts, or does
this require special forging equipment?

Can these be as long as the longest track ends?

I agree that forward facing horizontals are much easier on the road.

I'd also have a builder move the cs bridge forward to make inserting a 35
mm tire easier.


On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 8:40 AM, Eric Norris  wrote:

> My suggestion for a future reissue of the QB/SO: Horizontal drops, angled
> like the track ends on the QB. Track ends are certainly traditional for
> fixed gear bikes (and I suppose for single-speeds), but they make it more
> difficult to get the rear wheel in and out, especially with fenders. On my
> QB, I have to put the rear wheel in the frame with the tire
> deflated--there's barely enough clearance to squeeze it in, and moving the
> fender far enough back for adequate clearance would result in an ugly and
> unacceptable chain line.
>
> Extra-long horizontal drops, cut out of the same material as those on the
> original QB, would make the bike more nearly perfect.
>
> Eric N
> www.CampyOnly.com
> CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com
> Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy
>
> On Nov 24, 2013, at 9:53 PM, grant  wrote:
>
> Nothing's ever for sure gone for good, but here's the thing with the
> SimpleBeams (forgive the gross generalizations used to make the point
> without accounting for exceptions. I will use "everybody" not in the
> literal sense):
>
> Everybody moans the loss of a bike they didn't buy when it was availabe.
> The SB was always the slowest seller of all time, which in itself isn't the
> end of the world, but what it means for us is---it was a cash flow killer.
> We pay fully for 100 of them about two months before they arrive. Then it
> takes a year and a half or two years to sell them.
> One thing that seems to happen is--when something's readily available,
> it's meh...and when it's gone, the heart grows fonder genuinely--and maybe
> people who would have been buyers when the bike was around have just
> learned about it and think hey I'd like that. But there is a small tendency
> to overenthuse about what can't be had. I do it myself with other things in
> my life.
> *Dang, they quit making that __ I've hemmed and hawed about and
> admired for years, but never wanted enough to buy, but now that I can't buy
> it, shoot! *I don't mean that's rampant here, and I DO like that the
> bikes are so well-liked. Me too. I sold my QB when I needed money, figured
> I could always get a SO, and now they're gone and I want one more than
> ever. So---I'm not just an observer of this phenomenon, but a participant!
> If we could pre-sell 30 of them. Paid two-months before they arrive
> (that's when our payment is due), I'd stick my neck out and order 100. This
> time they'd be slightly different, and the danger of this hypothetical
> scenario is that it would open a debate about what's the difference between
> the new and old, which is preferable, then a vote, and it all gets weird
> and half the people who expressed willingness to get a new one now feel
> dis-listened to and bummed because it didn't go that way.
> So...i'd be innerested only if I had free secret rein to tweak it this
> way and that, still resulting in a killer one-speed, but not a clone of the
> SO, which was a clone of the QB. It might be any color, any name, any kind
> of break, any anything. I totally get that ordering semi-blind isn't easy
> to do. The unblind part of the semi is: Track or horizontal dropouts angled
> to allow pad contact over a wide range of chainlengths, like QB/SO. Two
> bottle mounts, rackable. good clearance. Basically Sam-like with diff
> dropouts. Probably sidepulls but could be cantis. A perfectly good color, a
> good name, a nice badge, a really great singler.
>
> Serious agreers will PM cyclofiend (Jim! So sorryplease forgive
> me...but these  months I have so many kaleidiscopes in my head that I can't
> have another one), and if the list reaches 30 (meaning you'll have $1200
> by Dec 2014 for the frame/fork/headset, and the money won't evaporate in a
> divorce or unforseeable crisis), then we'll get some good frames.
>
> I have a full plate and I know it seems so bad to say I can't answer
> questions about this, but for the next few months I probably can't. You can
> try, and I'll try, but I'm at my  physicalemotional limit, and ... can't
> promise. If you send a postcard, I'll respond with a postcard.
>
> Is this all too much? Probably. Sorry again.
>
> If nothing happens now, I think the bike will happen again later, but it
> may be an extra year or two.
>
> I know there are lots of options out there. I'm not trying to make this a
> difficult mystery bike. My crazy proposal..is the only way that makes
> sense for us right now.
>
> Thanks..
>
> Grant
>
> On Friday, November 22, 2013 7:09:49 PM UTC-8, Christopher Murray wrote:
>>
>> I was wondering if anyone knew why these bikes are no longer made. They

Re: [RBW] Re: Why no more Quickbeam/ SimpleOne?

2013-11-25 Thread Philip Williamson 
I find fat tires (32mm) run into the chainstay bridge on my other fixed 
gear, so I prefer the track ends.
I had SKS fenders with the QRs on the rear as well as the fork. To change 
the wheel, I just popped the rear stays out of the quick releases to free 
up the fenders. 

Philip
www.biketinker.com
 

On Monday, November 25, 2013 8:05:42 AM UTC-8, Pudge wrote:
>
>  One solution for the tire removal issue is to use flat wooden fenders, 
> which bend very easily outward away from the tire, allowing easy removal.  
> Of course, there are always trade-offs – such fenders aren’t as functional 
> as a good plastic or metal curved fender, but in non-downpours, and with a 
> mudflap, they’re not bad.
>
>  
>  
> *From:* [email protected]  [mailto:
> [email protected] ] *On Behalf Of *Eric Norris
> *Sent:* Monday, November 25, 2013 10:41 AM
> *To:* [email protected] 
> *Subject:* Re: [RBW] Re: Why no more Quickbeam/ SimpleOne?
>  
>  
>  
> My suggestion for a future reissue of the QB/SO: Horizontal drops, angled 
> like the track ends on the QB. Track ends are certainly traditional for 
> fixed gear bikes (and I suppose for single-speeds), but they make it more 
> difficult to get the rear wheel in and out, especially with fenders. On my 
> QB, I have to put the rear wheel in the frame with the tire 
> deflated--there's barely enough clearance to squeeze it in, and moving the 
> fender far enough back for adequate clearance would result in an ugly and 
> unacceptable chain line.
>  
>  
>  
> Extra-long horizontal drops, cut out of the same material as those on the 
> original QB, would make the bike more nearly perfect.
>  
>
> Eric N
>  
> www.CampyOnly.com<http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.CampyOnly.com&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNGVwva41esUdeSnIzp2-tzqJWdDdw>
>  
> CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com<http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2FCampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNFtSPqcPhRgNADDiTdPqOB1Vm-icQ>
>  
> Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy
>   
>
>  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Why no more Quickbeam/ SimpleOne?

2013-11-25 Thread David Spranger 

>
> Before I bought my SimpleOne, I had very big doubts I would ever use it 
> enough to justify the expense. I live in a very hilly city and doubted my 
> own ability to do without gears. When it was discontinued and discounted on 
> the Riv site, I decided to take a chance and bought one of the remaining 
> frames. It has since become my go-to bike. This bike sees more miles than 
> all my other bikes combined. It is definitely the bike I could not sell 
> under any circumstances.


David
Charlotte, NC 

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RE: [RBW] Re: Why no more Quickbeam/ SimpleOne?

2013-11-25 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J 
One solution for the tire removal issue is to use flat wooden fenders, which 
bend very easily outward away from the tire, allowing easy removal.  Of course, 
there are always trade-offs - such fenders aren't as functional as a good 
plastic or metal curved fender, but in non-downpours, and with a mudflap, 
they're not bad.

From: [email protected] 
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Eric Norris
Sent: Monday, November 25, 2013 10:41 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Why no more Quickbeam/ SimpleOne?

My suggestion for a future reissue of the QB/SO: Horizontal drops, angled like 
the track ends on the QB. Track ends are certainly traditional for fixed gear 
bikes (and I suppose for single-speeds), but they make it more difficult to get 
the rear wheel in and out, especially with fenders. On my QB, I have to put the 
rear wheel in the frame with the tire deflated--there's barely enough clearance 
to squeeze it in, and moving the fender far enough back for adequate clearance 
would result in an ugly and unacceptable chain line.

Extra-long horizontal drops, cut out of the same material as those on the 
original QB, would make the bike more nearly perfect.

Eric N
www.CampyOnly.com<http://www.CampyOnly.com>
CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com<http://CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com>
Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy

On Nov 24, 2013, at 9:53 PM, grant 
mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Nothing's ever for sure gone for good, but here's the thing with the 
SimpleBeams (forgive the gross generalizations used to make the point without 
accounting for exceptions. I will use "everybody" not in the literal sense):

Everybody moans the loss of a bike they didn't buy when it was availabe. The SB 
was always the slowest seller of all time, which in itself isn't the end of the 
world, but what it means for us is---it was a cash flow killer. We pay fully 
for 100 of them about two months before they arrive. Then it takes a year and a 
half or two years to sell them.
One thing that seems to happen is--when something's readily available, it's 
meh...and when it's gone, the heart grows fonder genuinely--and maybe people 
who would have been buyers when the bike was around have just learned about it 
and think hey I'd like that. But there is a small tendency to overenthuse about 
what can't be had. I do it myself with other things in my life. Dang, they quit 
making that __ I've hemmed and hawed about and admired for years, but never 
wanted enough to buy, but now that I can't buy it, shoot!
I don't mean that's rampant here, and I DO like that the bikes are so 
well-liked. Me too. I sold my QB when I needed money, figured I could always 
get a SO, and now they're gone and I want one more than ever. So---I'm not just 
an observer of this phenomenon, but a participant!
If we could pre-sell 30 of them. Paid two-months before they arrive (that's 
when our payment is due), I'd stick my neck out and order 100. This time they'd 
be slightly different, and the danger of this hypothetical scenario is that it 
would open a debate about what's the difference between the new and old, which 
is preferable, then a vote, and it all gets weird and half the people who 
expressed willingness to get a new one now feel dis-listened to and bummed 
because it didn't go that way.
So...i'd be innerested only if I had free secret rein to tweak it this way 
and that, still resulting in a killer one-speed, but not a clone of the SO, 
which was a clone of the QB. It might be any color, any name, any kind of 
break, any anything. I totally get that ordering semi-blind isn't easy to do. 
The unblind part of the semi is: Track or horizontal dropouts angled to allow 
pad contact over a wide range of chainlengths, like QB/SO. Two bottle mounts, 
rackable. good clearance. Basically Sam-like with diff dropouts. Probably 
sidepulls but could be cantis. A perfectly good color, a good name, a nice 
badge, a really great singler.

Serious agreers will PM cyclofiend (Jim! So sorryplease forgive me...but 
these  months I have so many kaleidiscopes in my head that I can't have another 
one), and if the list reaches 30 (meaning you'll have $1200  by Dec 2014 for 
the frame/fork/headset, and the money won't evaporate in a divorce or 
unforseeable crisis), then we'll get some good frames.

I have a full plate and I know it seems so bad to say I can't answer questions 
about this, but for the next few months I probably can't. You can try, and I'll 
try, but I'm at my  physicalemotional limit, and ... can't promise. If you send 
a postcard, I'll respond with a postcard.

Is this all too much? Probably. Sorry again.

If nothing happens now, I think the bike will happen again later, but it may be 
an extra year or two.

RE: [RBW] Re: Why no more Quickbeam/ SimpleOne?

2013-11-25 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J 
For those on the fence about signing up for the SimpleBeam,  two data points:

1.  I hemmed and hawed about signing up for the Mystery Bike (I'm pretty sure I 
was the last one under the wire), and not only have I never regretted it, it 
turned out to be one of the smartest bike-related decisions I ever made.  It's 
an amazing bike, really everything Grant was shooting for - most comfortable 
bike I own, unbelievably luxurious ride (even with "only" 38mm tires on it), 
and yet still very quick and responsive.  Because of that experience, I'd sign 
up for the new proposed Grant-improved QB/SO in a nanosecond, except...

2.  I already have a Quickbeam, and among all of an embarrassingly large stable 
of bikes, it's still my favorite.  I've had it built up as a stripped SS, and 
as a pretty loaded commuter, and it's a delight in either configuration.  I 
liked it so much I bought and built a Quickbeam for one of my sons, a 
city-dweller who at the time didn't have a car or a license (and who still 
rides it every day on a 15 mile commute on mostly city streets), and a 
SimpleOne for myself, which I subsequently gave to another son (who also loves 
it).  They're just great bikes - if you've been thinking you wished you'd 
sprung for one, take the plunge!

My QB (in commute mode, but on a 75 mile jaunt to the Jersey Shore from 
Delaware):  
http://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/7706849208/in/set-72157623567913352

Son Sam's QB, in stripped mode (he uses a backpack for commuting):  
http://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/5646014672/in/set-72157626433454817

Son Hank's SimpleOne:  
http://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/7250981952/in/set-72157629391118347


From: [email protected] 
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of grant
Sent: Monday, November 25, 2013 12:54 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [RBW] Re: Why no more Quickbeam/ SimpleOne?

Nothing's ever for sure gone for good, but here's the thing with the 
SimpleBeams (forgive the gross generalizations used to make the point without 
accounting for exceptions. I will use "everybody" not in the literal sense):

Everybody moans the loss of a bike they didn't buy when it was availabe. The SB 
was always the slowest seller of all time, which in itself isn't the end of the 
world, but what it means for us is---it was a cash flow killer. We pay fully 
for 100 of them about two months before they arrive. Then it takes a year and a 
half or two years to sell them.
One thing that seems to happen is--when something's readily available, it's 
meh...and when it's gone, the heart grows fonder genuinely--and maybe people 
who would have been buyers when the bike was around have just learned about it 
and think hey I'd like that. But there is a small tendency to overenthuse about 
what can't be had. I do it myself with other things in my life. Dang, they quit 
making that __ I've hemmed and hawed about and admired for years, but never 
wanted enough to buy, but now that I can't buy it, shoot!
I don't mean that's rampant here, and I DO like that the bikes are so 
well-liked. Me too. I sold my QB when I needed money, figured I could always 
get a SO, and now they're gone and I want one more than ever. So---I'm not just 
an observer of this phenomenon, but a participant!
If we could pre-sell 30 of them. Paid two-months before they arrive (that's 
when our payment is due), I'd stick my neck out and order 100. This time they'd 
be slightly different, and the danger of this hypothetical scenario is that it 
would open a debate about what's the difference between the new and old, which 
is preferable, then a vote, and it all gets weird and half the people who 
expressed willingness to get a new one now feel dis-listened to and bummed 
because it didn't go that way.
So...i'd be innerested only if I had free secret rein to tweak it this way 
and that, still resulting in a killer one-speed, but not a clone of the SO, 
which was a clone of the QB. It might be any color, any name, any kind of 
break, any anything. I totally get that ordering semi-blind isn't easy to do. 
The unblind part of the semi is: Track or horizontal dropouts angled to allow 
pad contact over a wide range of chainlengths, like QB/SO. Two bottle mounts, 
rackable. good clearance. Basically Sam-like with diff dropouts. Probably 
sidepulls but could be cantis. A perfectly good color, a good name, a nice 
badge, a really great singler.

Serious agreers will PM cyclofiend (Jim! So sorryplease forgive me...but 
these  months I have so many kaleidiscopes in my head that I can't have another 
one), and if the list reaches 30 (meaning you'll have $1200  by Dec 2014 for 
the frame/fork/headset, and the money won't evaporate in a divorce or 
unforseeable crisis), then we'll get some good frames.

I have a full plate and I know it seems so bad to say I can't answer questions 
about this, but for the next few months I probably can't. You can try, and I'll

Re: [RBW] Re: Why no more Quickbeam/ SimpleOne?

2013-11-25 Thread Eric Norris 
Oops. I should have said unacceptable *fender* line. My mistake ... coffee 
hasn't kicked in yet.

Eric N
www.CampyOnly.com
CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com
Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy

> On Nov 25, 2013, at 7:40 AM, Eric Norris  wrote:
> 
> My suggestion for a future reissue of the QB/SO: Horizontal drops, angled 
> like the track ends on the QB. Track ends are certainly traditional for fixed 
> gear bikes (and I suppose for single-speeds), but they make it more difficult 
> to get the rear wheel in and out, especially with fenders. On my QB, I have 
> to put the rear wheel in the frame with the tire deflated--there's barely 
> enough clearance to squeeze it in, and moving the fender far enough back for 
> adequate clearance would result in an ugly and unacceptable chain line.
> 
> Extra-long horizontal drops, cut out of the same material as those on the 
> original QB, would make the bike more nearly perfect.
> 
> Eric N
> www.CampyOnly.com
> CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com
> Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy
> 
>> On Nov 24, 2013, at 9:53 PM, grant  wrote:
>> 
>> Nothing's ever for sure gone for good, but here's the thing with the 
>> SimpleBeams (forgive the gross generalizations used to make the point 
>> without accounting for exceptions. I will use "everybody" not in the literal 
>> sense):
>> 
>> Everybody moans the loss of a bike they didn't buy when it was availabe. The 
>> SB was always the slowest seller of all time, which in itself isn't the end 
>> of the world, but what it means for us is---it was a cash flow killer. We 
>> pay fully for 100 of them about two months before they arrive. Then it takes 
>> a year and a half or two years to sell them. 
>> One thing that seems to happen is--when something's readily available, it's 
>> meh...and when it's gone, the heart grows fonder genuinely--and maybe people 
>> who would have been buyers when the bike was around have just learned about 
>> it and think hey I'd like that. But there is a small tendency to overenthuse 
>> about what can't be had. I do it myself with other things in my life. Dang, 
>> they quit making that __ I've hemmed and hawed about and admired for 
>> years, but never wanted enough to buy, but now that I can't buy it, shoot!
>> I don't mean that's rampant here, and I DO like that the bikes are so 
>> well-liked. Me too. I sold my QB when I needed money, figured I could always 
>> get a SO, and now they're gone and I want one more than ever. So---I'm not 
>> just an observer of this phenomenon, but a participant!
>> If we could pre-sell 30 of them. Paid two-months before they arrive (that's 
>> when our payment is due), I'd stick my neck out and order 100. This time 
>> they'd be slightly different, and the danger of this hypothetical scenario 
>> is that it would open a debate about what's the difference between the new 
>> and old, which is preferable, then a vote, and it all gets weird and half 
>> the people who expressed willingness to get a new one now feel dis-listened 
>> to and bummed because it didn't go that way.
>> So...i'd be innerested only if I had free secret rein to tweak it this 
>> way and that, still resulting in a killer one-speed, but not a clone of the 
>> SO, which was a clone of the QB. It might be any color, any name, any kind 
>> of break, any anything. I totally get that ordering semi-blind isn't easy to 
>> do. The unblind part of the semi is: Track or horizontal dropouts angled to 
>> allow pad contact over a wide range of chainlengths, like QB/SO. Two bottle 
>> mounts, rackable. good clearance. Basically Sam-like with diff dropouts. 
>> Probably sidepulls but could be cantis. A perfectly good color, a good name, 
>> a nice badge, a really great singler.
>> 
>> Serious agreers will PM cyclofiend (Jim! So sorryplease forgive me...but 
>> these  months I have so many kaleidiscopes in my head that I can't have 
>> another one), and if the list reaches 30 (meaning you'll have $1200  by Dec 
>> 2014 for the frame/fork/headset, and the money won't evaporate in a divorce 
>> or unforseeable crisis), then we'll get some good frames.
>> 
>> I have a full plate and I know it seems so bad to say I can't answer 
>> questions about this, but for the next few months I probably can't. You can 
>> try, and I'll try, but I'm at my  physicalemotional limit, and ... can't 
>> promise. If you send a postcard, I'll respond with a postcard.
>> 
>> Is this all too much? Probably. Sorry again. 
>> 
>> If nothing happens now, I think the bike will happen again later, but it may 
>> be an extra year or two.
>> 
>> I know there are lots of options out there. I'm not trying to make this a 
>> difficult mystery bike. My crazy proposal..is the only way that makes 
>> sense for us right now. 
>> 
>> Thanks..
>> 
>> Grant
>> 
>>> On Friday, November 22, 2013 7:09:49 PM UTC-8, Christopher Murray wrote:
>>> I was wondering if anyone knew why these bikes are no longer made. They 
>>> seem very popular and the people who have one seem very plea

Re: [RBW] Re: Why no more Quickbeam/ SimpleOne?

2013-11-25 Thread Eric Norris 
My suggestion for a future reissue of the QB/SO: Horizontal drops, angled like 
the track ends on the QB. Track ends are certainly traditional for fixed gear 
bikes (and I suppose for single-speeds), but they make it more difficult to get 
the rear wheel in and out, especially with fenders. On my QB, I have to put the 
rear wheel in the frame with the tire deflated--there's barely enough clearance 
to squeeze it in, and moving the fender far enough back for adequate clearance 
would result in an ugly and unacceptable chain line.

Extra-long horizontal drops, cut out of the same material as those on the 
original QB, would make the bike more nearly perfect.

Eric N
www.CampyOnly.com
CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com
Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy

> On Nov 24, 2013, at 9:53 PM, grant  wrote:
> 
> Nothing's ever for sure gone for good, but here's the thing with the 
> SimpleBeams (forgive the gross generalizations used to make the point without 
> accounting for exceptions. I will use "everybody" not in the literal sense):
> 
> Everybody moans the loss of a bike they didn't buy when it was availabe. The 
> SB was always the slowest seller of all time, which in itself isn't the end 
> of the world, but what it means for us is---it was a cash flow killer. We pay 
> fully for 100 of them about two months before they arrive. Then it takes a 
> year and a half or two years to sell them. 
> One thing that seems to happen is--when something's readily available, it's 
> meh...and when it's gone, the heart grows fonder genuinely--and maybe people 
> who would have been buyers when the bike was around have just learned about 
> it and think hey I'd like that. But there is a small tendency to overenthuse 
> about what can't be had. I do it myself with other things in my life. Dang, 
> they quit making that __ I've hemmed and hawed about and admired for 
> years, but never wanted enough to buy, but now that I can't buy it, shoot!
> I don't mean that's rampant here, and I DO like that the bikes are so 
> well-liked. Me too. I sold my QB when I needed money, figured I could always 
> get a SO, and now they're gone and I want one more than ever. So---I'm not 
> just an observer of this phenomenon, but a participant!
> If we could pre-sell 30 of them. Paid two-months before they arrive (that's 
> when our payment is due), I'd stick my neck out and order 100. This time 
> they'd be slightly different, and the danger of this hypothetical scenario is 
> that it would open a debate about what's the difference between the new and 
> old, which is preferable, then a vote, and it all gets weird and half the 
> people who expressed willingness to get a new one now feel dis-listened to 
> and bummed because it didn't go that way.
> So...i'd be innerested only if I had free secret rein to tweak it this 
> way and that, still resulting in a killer one-speed, but not a clone of the 
> SO, which was a clone of the QB. It might be any color, any name, any kind of 
> break, any anything. I totally get that ordering semi-blind isn't easy to do. 
> The unblind part of the semi is: Track or horizontal dropouts angled to allow 
> pad contact over a wide range of chainlengths, like QB/SO. Two bottle mounts, 
> rackable. good clearance. Basically Sam-like with diff dropouts. Probably 
> sidepulls but could be cantis. A perfectly good color, a good name, a nice 
> badge, a really great singler.
> 
> Serious agreers will PM cyclofiend (Jim! So sorryplease forgive me...but 
> these  months I have so many kaleidiscopes in my head that I can't have 
> another one), and if the list reaches 30 (meaning you'll have $1200  by Dec 
> 2014 for the frame/fork/headset, and the money won't evaporate in a divorce 
> or unforseeable crisis), then we'll get some good frames.
> 
> I have a full plate and I know it seems so bad to say I can't answer 
> questions about this, but for the next few months I probably can't. You can 
> try, and I'll try, but I'm at my  physicalemotional limit, and ... can't 
> promise. If you send a postcard, I'll respond with a postcard.
> 
> Is this all too much? Probably. Sorry again. 
> 
> If nothing happens now, I think the bike will happen again later, but it may 
> be an extra year or two.
> 
> I know there are lots of options out there. I'm not trying to make this a 
> difficult mystery bike. My crazy proposal..is the only way that makes 
> sense for us right now. 
> 
> Thanks..
> 
> Grant
> 
>> On Friday, November 22, 2013 7:09:49 PM UTC-8, Christopher Murray wrote:
>> I was wondering if anyone knew why these bikes are no longer made. They seem 
>> very popular and the people who have one seem very pleased. I have heard 
>> several state it is their favorite bike. I assume that the QB went away due 
>> to The Lord of the Rings name and became the SO- but why no more SO?
>> I assume it was too much of a niche product and too expensive. In other 
>> words, not enough people willing to pay the better part of $2,000 for a bike 
>>

Re: [RBW] Re: Why no more Quickbeam/ SimpleOne?

2013-11-24 Thread cyclotourist 
Put up or shut-up time people... My QB is by far my favorite bike.
Unfortunately also my least ridden, which made it hard to justify, but
there's something special about it! I sold my first one, thinking I
didn't really need it (see low miles above) and kicked myself
near-weekly till I found one to replace it. So glad I did, and not
letting this one get away!

I hope 30 of you are Beam-curious enough to invest in one!

On 11/24/13, Philip Williamson  wrote:
> Hahaha! That's the impression. "Sure, I'm, uh, 180, but I 'ride light.'"
> "We're SEEN you. We've seen you RIDE. Straight gauge it is."
>
> Philip
> www.biketinker.com
>
>
> On Sunday, November 24, 2013 10:23:53 PM UTC-8, grant wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, November 24, 2013 10:04:46 PM UTC-8, Philip Williamson wrote:
>>>
>>> Whoa. There you go.
>>>
>>> My Quickbeam is still my prettiest, bestest bike ever. I've ridden it up
>>>
>>> and down steep steep singletrack, long (for me) road rides, and commuted.
>>>
>>> Still the bike I'll spend the most money making prettier. If I had
>>> unlimited funds, I'd commission a custom Riv with vertical drops,
>>> Atlantis
>>> clearance, and Roadeo tubing. Single it up with a White ENO hub. Lie
>>> about
>>> my weight and riding conditions.
>>>
>> *HA! This is a crack-up. Seriously. Are we that bad? Ha! again--*-
>>
>>>
>>> A QB by any other name (and 10 years refinement) is still as sweet.
>>>
>>> Philip
>>> www.biketinker.com
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, November 24, 2013 9:53:57 PM UTC-8, grant wrote:

 Nothing's ever for sure gone for good, but here's the thing with the
 SimpleBeams (forgive the gross generalizations used to make the point
 without accounting for exceptions. I will use "everybody" not in the
 literal sense):

 Everybody moans the loss of a bike they didn't buy when it was availabe.

 The SB was always the slowest seller of all time, which in itself isn't
 the
 end of the world, but what it means for us is---it was a cash flow
 killer.
 We pay fully for 100 of them about two months before they arrive. Then
 it
 takes a year and a half or two years to sell them.
 One thing that seems to happen is--when something's readily available,
 it's meh...and when it's gone, the heart grows fonder genuinely--and
 maybe
 people who would have been buyers when the bike was around have just
 learned about it and think hey I'd like that. But there is a small
 tendency
 to overenthuse about what can't be had. I do it myself with other things
 in
 my life.
 *Dang, they quit making that __ I've hemmed and hawed about and
 admired for years, but never wanted enough to buy, but now that I can't
 buy
 it, shoot!*I don't mean that's rampant here, and I DO like that the
 bikes are so well-liked. Me too. I sold my QB when I needed money,
 figured
 I could always get a SO, and now they're gone and I want one more than
 ever. So---I'm not just an observer of this phenomenon, but a
 participant!
 If we could pre-sell 30 of them. Paid two-months before they arrive
 (that's when our payment is due), I'd stick my neck out and order 100.
 This
 time they'd be slightly different, and the danger of this hypothetical
 scenario is that it would open a debate about what's the difference
 between
 the new and old, which is preferable, then a vote, and it all gets weird

 and half the people who expressed willingness to get a new one now feel

 dis-listened to and bummed because it didn't go that way.
 So...i'd be innerested only if I had free secret rein to tweak it
 this way and that, still resulting in a killer one-speed, but not a
 clone
 of the SO, which was a clone of the QB. It might be any color, any name,

 any kind of break, any anything. I totally get that ordering semi-blind

 isn't easy to do. The unblind part of the semi is: Track or horizontal
 dropouts angled to allow pad contact over a wide range of chainlengths,

 like QB/SO. Two bottle mounts, rackable. good clearance. Basically
 Sam-like
 with diff dropouts. Probably sidepulls but could be cantis. A perfectly

 good color, a good name, a nice badge, a really great singler.

 Serious agreers will PM cyclofiend (Jim! So sorryplease forgive
 me...but these  months I have so many kaleidiscopes in my head that I
 can't
 have another one), and if the list reaches 30 (meaning you'll have $1200

 by Dec 2014 for the frame/fork/headset, and the money won't evaporate in
 a
 divorce or unforseeable crisis), then we'll get some good frames.

 I have a full plate and I know it seems so bad to say I can't answer
 questions about this, but for the next few months I probably can't. Yo

RE: [RBW] Re: Why no more Quickbeam/ SimpleOne?

2013-11-24 Thread Larry Powers 
I always thought the 2 speed design of the QB was a good idea.  But for my 
riding I have never needed it.

Larry Powers 

 

Get a bicycle.  You will not regret it if you live. - Mark Twain


Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2013 10:13:02 -0800
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: [RBW] Re: Why no more Quickbeam/ SimpleOne?

I am loving my 66cm orange QuickBeam. I have a DOS ENO freewheel on one side, 
and a fixed cog on the other. With JackBrowns and Nitto BullMoose bars, it 
brings smiles to all who see it, and to me especially when I ride it. But I 
also understand RBW's economics on this, it was an expensive frame, much the 
same price as a road frame with rear attachment point for a derailleur. Maybe 
there's a future frame coming that will have an attachment for shifting as well 
as semi-horizontal rear forks to allow for wheelbase adjustment.

- Andrew, Berkeley





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RE: [RBW] Re: Why no more Quickbeam/ SimpleOne?

2013-11-24 Thread Larry Powers 
My QB is my favorite bike.  When I am in shape and the bike is unloaded there 
is to hill I can't climb with one gear.  Also for winter commuting there is 
much less maintenance.

Larry Powers 

 

Get a bicycle.  You will not regret it if you live. - Mark Twain


Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2013 07:26:53 -0800
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: [RBW] Re: Why no more Quickbeam/ SimpleOne?

Chris, I think you did a great job of answering your own question, with the 
final business answer plugged in by Bill.  For me it was always Why QB/SO?  Of 
course I have 8-degree grades to get to my house.  Kind of an aside, but it 
always makes me sizzle when I see a once fine steel road bike emasculated to a 
single (though always with nice paint) sitting in the obscure corner of a bike 
shop.  

On Friday, November 22, 2013 10:27:57 PM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote:another 
layer of economics is that they have to pay for a lot of frames at once.  
whenever they have a load of betty foys or hillbornes coming in they have to 
lay out like $30k.  perhaps the cumulative demand for them cant justify that.  




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Re: [RBW] Re: Why no more Quickbeam/ SimpleOne?

2013-11-23 Thread Ron Mc 
Eric, I was just talking about taking a nice road bike and relegating it to 
the corner of the bike shop, as if this is the purpose of steel frames.  

On Saturday, November 23, 2013 4:52:25 PM UTC-6, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> Having done a lot of riding on fixed gears (on my Quickbeam, among other 
> bikes) up to and including double centuries and PBP, I can say that a fixie 
> or SS bike is not "emasculated." It's harder to do those events on a bike 
> that doesn't shift and doesn't coast, and it's certainly not "emasculating" 
> to ride one.
>
> I enjoy both types of bikes (fixed and "gearly"), and I prefer to see a 
> fixie as a bike distilled to its essence and stripped of everything 
> unrelated to the simple task of pedaling and moving forward.
>
> My two cents' worth.
>
> --Eric
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> On Nov 23, 2013, at 7:26 AM, Ron Mc > 
> wrote:
>
> Chris, I think you did a great job of answering your own question, with 
> the final business answer plugged in by Bill.  For me it was always Why 
> QB/SO?  Of course I have 8-degree grades to get to my house.  Kind of an 
> aside, but it always makes me sizzle when I see a once fine steel road bike 
> emasculated to a single (though always with nice paint) sitting in the 
> obscure corner of a bike shop.  
>
> On Friday, November 22, 2013 10:27:57 PM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> another layer of economics is that they have to pay for a lot of frames 
>> at once.  whenever they have a load of betty foys or hillbornes coming in 
>> they have to lay out like $30k.  perhaps the cumulative demand for them 
>> cant justify that.  
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Why no more Quickbeam/ SimpleOne?

2013-11-23 Thread Eric Norris 
Having done a lot of riding on fixed gears (on my Quickbeam, among other bikes) 
up to and including double centuries and PBP, I can say that a fixie or SS bike 
is not "emasculated." It's harder to do those events on a bike that doesn't 
shift and doesn't coast, and it's certainly not "emasculating" to ride one.

I enjoy both types of bikes (fixed and "gearly"), and I prefer to see a fixie 
as a bike distilled to its essence and stripped of everything unrelated to the 
simple task of pedaling and moving forward.

My two cents' worth.

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On Nov 23, 2013, at 7:26 AM, Ron Mc  wrote:

> Chris, I think you did a great job of answering your own question, with the 
> final business answer plugged in by Bill.  For me it was always Why QB/SO?  
> Of course I have 8-degree grades to get to my house.  Kind of an aside, but 
> it always makes me sizzle when I see a once fine steel road bike emasculated 
> to a single (though always with nice paint) sitting in the obscure corner of 
> a bike shop.  
> 
> On Friday, November 22, 2013 10:27:57 PM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote:
> another layer of economics is that they have to pay for a lot of frames at 
> once.  whenever they have a load of betty foys or hillbornes coming in they 
> have to lay out like $30k.  perhaps the cumulative demand for them cant 
> justify that.  
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Re: [RBW] Re: Why no more Quickbeam/ SimpleOne?

2013-11-23 Thread ted 
>From the intermittent availability of the QB/SO model, and the discounted 
blowout of the last of the SimpleOnes not long after they arrived, it seems 
clear that they didn't sell well enough for RBW to maintain the model. I 
find it odd and depressing that this is the case but so it goes. As others 
have noted the fixed gear / single speed market is a bit of a niche one. 
Like all RBW bikes these were not the lowest price option out there, and it 
seems those who want a ss/fixed gear mostly avail themselves of one of 
those other options.
Personally I am glad I got one before they were gone. As best I can tell 
they are (or were) the only off the shelf, lugged steel ss frame with a 
nice fork crown, quill stem, 120 rear spacing, and no unwanted shifter 
bosses etc that has room for real fenders and tires larger than 25c. 
If I could afford it I might prefer a bike with tire clearance and geometry 
closer to a rodeo, vertical rear dropouts, and an eccentric BB. But I am 
pretty sure that would have to be a custom so factoring in cost etc. I am 
quite happy with my SimpleOne. Closest production bike to my fixed gear 
ideal that I know of. Too bad it filled a vanishingly small niche market.

On Saturday, November 23, 2013 10:43:09 AM UTC-8, [email protected] wrote:
>
> I'm guessing it's a pretty saturated market as well. 1,001 little 
> fixie/SS retailers out there, with the Crosscheck being the king of 
> that niche. None with lugs or the AMAZING angled rear fork-ends, but 
> still hard to distinguish in that crowded marketplace. 
>
> On 11/23/13, BSWP > wrote: 
> > I am loving my 66cm orange QuickBeam. I have a DOS ENO freewheel on one 
> > side, and a fixed cog on the other. With JackBrowns and Nitto BullMoose 
> > bars, it brings smiles to all who see it, and to me especially when I 
> ride 
> > it. But I also understand RBW's economics on this, it was an expensive 
> > frame, much the same price as a road frame with rear attachment point 
> for a 
> > 
> > derailleur. Maybe there's a future frame coming that will have an 
> > attachment for shifting as well as semi-horizontal rear forks to allow 
> for 
> > wheelbase adjustment. 
> > 
> > - Andrew, Berkeley 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Why no more Quickbeam/ SimpleOne?

2013-11-23 Thread cyclotourist 
I'm guessing it's a pretty saturated market as well. 1,001 little
fixie/SS retailers out there, with the Crosscheck being the king of
that niche. None with lugs or the AMAZING angled rear fork-ends, but
still hard to distinguish in that crowded marketplace.

On 11/23/13, BSWP  wrote:
> I am loving my 66cm orange QuickBeam. I have a DOS ENO freewheel on one
> side, and a fixed cog on the other. With JackBrowns and Nitto BullMoose
> bars, it brings smiles to all who see it, and to me especially when I ride
> it. But I also understand RBW's economics on this, it was an expensive
> frame, much the same price as a road frame with rear attachment point for a
>
> derailleur. Maybe there's a future frame coming that will have an
> attachment for shifting as well as semi-horizontal rear forks to allow for
> wheelbase adjustment.
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> - Andrew, Berkeley
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