RE: [RBW] Roadeo or RB1?
Robert Zeidler said: "All of this just about has me ready to pull the trigger. On a new Calfee with the Adventure set-up. " I say: Great idea! I love mine! Joe Bartoe Synaptic Cycles Bicycle Rentals, Inc. email: [email protected] website: www.synapticcycles.com Twitter: @synapticcycles phone: 949-374-6079 Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 19:37:41 -0600 Subject: Re: [RBW] Roadeo or RB1? From: [email protected] To: [email protected] All of this just about has me ready to pull the trigger. On a new Calfee with the Adventure set-up. On Thursday, January 5, 2012, Kelly Sleeper wrote: > Actually it was relating to the subject line.. ROADEO or RBI.. then when the > Roadeo is suggested it is treated as being no different than an 80's > whatever. I disagree with that and that you get the Rivendell ride from all > of those bikes. > Not a matter of anger or being snarky, just thought it was funny. I've seen > my wife and she had the xtralight Merlin, and a Lemond. Both sat there and > were never ridden after she got the Rodeo. Eventually she sold the Merlin > extralite. > Every review I've seen on the Roadeo from other owners on here has been very > positive.The few short rides I've had on the Roadeo have been impressive. > Just wish they made won big enough for me. > Considering is a "swiss army knife" no different than an 80's trek or just an > over priced steel wannabe is ok.. just surprising since we are in a Rivendell > forum. Figured some other owners would have spoke up. > > Patrick, yes I took it as baiting and didn't think you were serious about > wanting an honest review or thought as you've read the same posts and more as > I have. I also know that how a bike feels to me may not be the same as it > will feel for you. > Just as I don't believe a long haul trucker rides the same as an atlantis. > For me it's a fact I've ridden them side by side... other disagree. Take the > silver brakes off and put on a dura-ace group, thread less headset and 700x25 > tires and go. > Bicycle magazine indicated they didn't think the roadeo was smooth enough > when they made the tires hard instead of the pressure that was recommended. > > So as much as I enjoy your posts about your trikes and other bikes and such.. > yes this one felt like a bait people into giving information that you had no > intention of using. Since you already had the information about the Roadeo > posted on here many times with outside reviews that you've read. > With the large list of objections and reasons and price to not own a Roadeo > why ask about it even? That was my perspective on it. So ya baiting and > funny.. not a slam on you.. just an observation. > > Sure as heck not a word in anger.. see all of this typing to say what I said > in what a sentence.. :) When I bought my AHH I took a 14 hour round trip > drive to ride one before ordering. I don't care if GOD himself said it road > great I wasn't spending that kind of money without riding it. > I'm glad the Country Bike Shop was there or I would have ended up flying to > California to ride one first. > > kelly > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/htPvkmwXWx0J. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Roadeo or RB1?
All of this just about has me ready to pull the trigger. On a new Calfee with the Adventure set-up. On Thursday, January 5, 2012, Kelly Sleeper wrote: > Actually it was relating to the subject line.. ROADEO or RBI.. then when the Roadeo is suggested it is treated as being no different than an 80's whatever. I disagree with that and that you get the Rivendell ride from all of those bikes. > Not a matter of anger or being snarky, just thought it was funny. I've seen my wife and she had the xtralight Merlin, and a Lemond. Both sat there and were never ridden after she got the Rodeo. Eventually she sold the Merlin extralite. > Every review I've seen on the Roadeo from other owners on here has been very positive.The few short rides I've had on the Roadeo have been impressive. Just wish they made won big enough for me. > Considering is a "swiss army knife" no different than an 80's trek or just an over priced steel wannabe is ok.. just surprising since we are in a Rivendell forum. Figured some other owners would have spoke up. > > Patrick, yes I took it as baiting and didn't think you were serious about wanting an honest review or thought as you've read the same posts and more as I have. I also know that how a bike feels to me may not be the same as it will feel for you. > Just as I don't believe a long haul trucker rides the same as an atlantis. For me it's a fact I've ridden them side by side... other disagree. Take the silver brakes off and put on a dura-ace group, thread less headset and 700x25 tires and go. > Bicycle magazine indicated they didn't think the roadeo was smooth enough when they made the tires hard instead of the pressure that was recommended. > > So as much as I enjoy your posts about your trikes and other bikes and such.. yes this one felt like a bait people into giving information that you had no intention of using. Since you already had the information about the Roadeo posted on here many times with outside reviews that you've read. > With the large list of objections and reasons and price to not own a Roadeo why ask about it even? That was my perspective on it. So ya baiting and funny.. not a slam on you.. just an observation. > > Sure as heck not a word in anger.. see all of this typing to say what I said in what a sentence.. :) When I bought my AHH I took a 14 hour round trip drive to ride one before ordering. I don't care if GOD himself said it road great I wasn't spending that kind of money without riding it. > I'm glad the Country Bike Shop was there or I would have ended up flying to California to ride one first. > > kelly > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/htPvkmwXWx0J. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Roadeo or RB1?
This reminds me of that clasdic scene from Animal House. CF on one shoulder, Steel on the other... On Tuesday, January 3, 2012, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > OK: That's what I want to hear. Please give reasons -- details: handling, fit, comfort etc. -- as to why one might want to pay $4K minimum for a Roadeo compared to half or less for a nice, high end but old road bike like some of those mentioned. > I love my customs' handling; the handling of the Sam Hill was disappointing; the Herse fit like my customs but didn't handle quite as well (tho' that may be due to my preference for higher trail); the '73 Motobecane was lighter, uglier and handled almost as well as the customs and fit not quite as well. The Falcon would probably have been a wonderfully fitting and handling bike if I had known (thanks to Grant's intervention) how to set it up. The Calfees and Treks and RB1s have been praised for their handling and fit. > So please give details about why the Roadeo is the unquestioned reasonable choice. > I am not interested in fenders or tires larger than 28, nor am I interested (for the purposes of this discussion) in fineness of joinery or cosmetic details. Just fit (or potential for fit) and, above all, handling. > Thanks. > > On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 5:34 PM, Kelly Sleeper wrote: >> >> Unless its just to save money I don't believe the older race bike are equal or even close substitute for the Roadeo. My opinion of course.. >> >> Kelly >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/L7YA5FYtcS4J. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. >> > > > > -- > Patrick Moore > Albuquerque, NM > For professional resumes, contact > Patrick Moore, ACRW > http://resumespecialties.com/index.html > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Roadeo or RB1?
My butt has found happiness on the Berthoud touring saddles, FWIW. I believe both Wallingford and René Herse offer a 6 month return period, so you may want to try them I you want to keep the leather saddle and be comfortable at the same time. All my bikes now have them. René > > Fwiw, my experiences with Brooks saddles is the same as yours. I went back to Flites and Turbos. > > Patrick Moore > Typed with two thumbs on my > iPhone > > On Jan 1, 2012, at 9:51 PM, "Bill M." wrote: > >> Patrick, >> >> I am lucky enough to have both a Calfee Tetra Pro and a 1995 Riv Road >> Standard. The Calfee is lighter by several pounds, and feels more >> responsive and racy. The first time I rode it up a short 8% climb >> (the only 'hill' within 20 miles of my house) I was astonished at the >> gear I used, a couple or three cogs higher than I was used to using. >> That evens out on a longer climb, of course, but the Calfee really >> jumps when I try to crank up some speed. I also find I have fewer >> problems with hand numbness on the Calfee despite the bars being a >> couple of cm lower. I credit that to a different fit, the compact >> bars on the Calfee vs. Noodles on the Riv, and the Brooks on the Riv >> vs. the modern saddle on the Calfee. On the Brooks I'm always hunting >> for that magic adjustment that will keep me in place without hand >> pressure, but not squish my softer bits. I may never find it. Too >> bad, the Brooks looks so good on the dark green Riv. >> >> I bought the Calfee frame slightly used for about 1/3 the price of a >> new one, or 1/2 the price of a new Roadeo. For that price it was a no- >> brainer. I use it strictly for club rides where I will be pushing >> myself hard, and don't carry more gear than will fit in my jersey >> pockets. I's a great bike for that kind of behavior. >> >> The Riv is currently outfitted quasi-Passhunter style, with low >> gearing (46/30 x 11/32) and 32 mm Rando Hypers (they *barely* fit). I >> ride it when I'm out solo, and have a more relaxed attatude. The >> Riv's drivetrain and wheels should eventually move over to a Rawland >> Nordavinden that will handle the bigger rubber with some room for >> error, and the Riv will revert to use as a fixed gear, maybe with an >> S3X IG hub. >> >> Bill >> >> On Jan 1, 1:32 pm, PATRICK MOORE wrote: >>> Several listers have mentioned Calfee. Maybe this would be a place where a >>> CF bike would be appropriate. I'd love to hear comparos of Calfees with >>> other, more Rivendellian models. >>> >>> Tho' I fear to hear what a Calfee costs ... >>> >>> On Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 2:23 PM, robert zeidler wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> It's a nice problem to have. When I went that route, I went Calfee (gasp!) >>> RGZ >>> On Sunday, January 1, 2012, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > Hardly have sold the Herse and I am salivating at the thought of something new. What I need, I say, *need*, is a gofast multispeed bike (with coasting capability); no gd fenders, racks -- I've got plenty of bikes that will take fenders, racks and loads. This would be for fair weather, no-load, cycling-kit-wearing (but wool kit), lightweight rides. No tire fatter than 28 and 26 acceptable. > Now I am sure that the Roadeo is a better bike and I know that fender and 32 mm clearance won't take from its speed; but the R would run upward of $4K minimum built with used parts, and I would hope to find a RB1 or similar classic for less. > I want something that is fast to accelerate, climbs well, corners "intuitively" and that will well fit a long torso and short limbs. > Perhaps I ought to convert my 1999 650C Joe Starck fixie custom to a gearie (having converted my '03 Curt gearie to a fixed commuter). Actually, now that I think of that, this might make sense -- unless I convert the '99 to a trike. > Seriously, Rodeo or RB1 or clone? >>> > -- > Patrick Moore > Albuquerque, NM > For professional resumes, contact > Patrick Moore, ACRW > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Roadeo or RB1?
If only I could get GP to make the Roadeo in a bigger size. On Sunday, January 1, 2012, Kelly Sleeper wrote: > My 67 is a tad small for me .. but I can make the 61 ROADEO work for a test ride.. just lots of seat post.. then lower the bars and give it that aggressive plastic bike look.. lol > > > That won't work for me brother! I'm 64cm at a minimum. I have one of every Riv that will fut me. > > - show quoted text - > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/lBo3E9kuDeAJ. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Roadeo or RB1?
My 67 is a tad small for me .. but I can make the 61 ROADEO work for a test ride.. just lots of seat post.. then lower the bars and give it that aggressive plastic bike look.. lol That won't work for me brother! I'm 64cm at a minimum. I have one of every Riv that will fut me. - show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/lBo3E9kuDeAJ. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Roadeo or RB1?
Amen! On Sunday, January 1, 2012, Kelly Sleeper wrote: > Z-Man.. I've made all my speed goals and done to many centuries.. did RAIN and realized I didn't want to do ultra long distance riding.. Everyone in my groups are basically go fast bikes but my AHH keeps up with a dyno light. It's the engine not the bike... but the hammer head group I used to ride with is no more for me... for those I would and do see the need for 11 speed cassettes.. I hated getting caught in-between gears while barely hanging on.. so more closer better ... > > I do regret selling this one.. oops other thread.. but just because it was pretty and had some truly high speed downhills on it... for me anyway 65 mph is really fast.. > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/tksleeper/5155759637/in/set-72157625210417815 > > It did fast very very well... and for that type of bike it was comfortable. shrug > > I'll keep the AHH all day long. > > Kelly > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/kSmF_DS43HcJ. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Roadeo or RB1?
Z-Man.. I've made all my speed goals and done to many centuries.. did RAIN and realized I didn't want to do ultra long distance riding.. Everyone in my groups are basically go fast bikes but my AHH keeps up with a dyno light. It's the engine not the bike... but the hammer head group I used to ride with is no more for me... for those I would and do see the need for 11 speed cassettes.. I hated getting caught in-between gears while barely hanging on.. so more closer better ... I do regret selling this one.. oops other thread.. but just because it was pretty and had some truly high speed downhills on it... for me anyway 65 mph is really fast.. http://www.flickr.com/photos/tksleeper/5155759637/in/set-72157625210417815 It did fast very very well... and for that type of bike it was comfortable. shrug I'll keep the AHH all day long. Kelly -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/kSmF_DS43HcJ. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Roadeo or RB1?
That won't work for me brother! I'm 64cm at a minimum. I have one of every Riv that will fut me. I've drunk the Kool-Aid. But I have some Serottas, Bilenky's, and a Calfee that are also great. On Sunday, January 1, 2012, robert zeidler wrote: > Kelly, > I'm down in Fl on vac and doing a 200k brevet with the Gainesville Cycling Club this Saturday. I want to ride it fast but want to enjoy it, which usually means latching onto a group of riders and riding with them. > I'm on a titanium Serotta I keep down here, on 23's ( the roads are flawless). Will speed or the social aspect prevail? Probably somewhere in the middle. > When I return to CT I plan on doing some rides in the Boston, Berkshire, and Vermont Brevet series. When I do them I want to enjoy them. More Cyclotourist than Randonneur. > When I read Jan's description of riding across the Pyrenees, I was saddened by the fact he rode through the night, sacrificing all for a e.t. > That pretty much landed me in the Cyclotourist camp, or at least in the "daytime hours only" Rando camp. > As Pondero has said, "fun is the highest priority". > Sayin'? > > On Sunday, January 1, 2012, Kelly Sleeper wrote: >> z-man.. stiff racing wheels, light narrow tires, and that aero riding position do make a difference.. when you think the at going from drops to hoods at say 20ish mph is a 2 mph penalty then taking the riv and raising the bars then adding the weight of the tires and tubes.. yes sir you will be slower. >> get ride of the odometer and it still rides and feels quick.. and for sport riding I don't really notice it.. but it is slower.. not just tires through... it's a package. >> >> So a century takes 45 minutes longer.. I'm much more comfortable. >> >> Kelly >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/VStrKsop2OQJ. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. >> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Roadeo or RB1?
Kelly, I'm down in Fl on vac and doing a 200k brevet with the Gainesville Cycling Club this Saturday. I want to ride it fast but want to enjoy it, which usually means latching onto a group of riders and riding with them. I'm on a titanium Serotta I keep down here, on 23's ( the roads are flawless). Will speed or the social aspect prevail? Probably somewhere in the middle. When I return to CT I plan on doing some rides in the Boston, Berkshire, and Vermont Brevet series. When I do them I want to enjoy them. More Cyclotourist than Randonneur. When I read Jan's description of riding across the Pyrenees, I was saddened by the fact he rode through the night, sacrificing all for a e.t. That pretty much landed me in the Cyclotourist camp, or at least in the "daytime hours only" Rando camp. As Pondero has said, "fun is the highest priority". Sayin'? On Sunday, January 1, 2012, Kelly Sleeper wrote: > z-man.. stiff racing wheels, light narrow tires, and that aero riding position do make a difference.. when you think the at going from drops to hoods at say 20ish mph is a 2 mph penalty then taking the riv and raising the bars then adding the weight of the tires and tubes.. yes sir you will be slower. > get ride of the odometer and it still rides and feels quick.. and for sport riding I don't really notice it.. but it is slower.. not just tires through... it's a package. > > So a century takes 45 minutes longer.. I'm much more comfortable. > > Kelly > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/VStrKsop2OQJ. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Roadeo or RB1?
The ROADEO isn't a swiss army knife. It's a lite go fast bike. With more to offer than most other lite go fast bikes. Come on down to ST Louis and take an extended test ride.. have a 61 cm in the garage. Kelly -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/bYH7YtuG2gQJ. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Roadeo or RB1?
z-man.. stiff racing wheels, light narrow tires, and that aero riding position do make a difference.. when you think the at going from drops to hoods at say 20ish mph is a 2 mph penalty then taking the riv and raising the bars then adding the weight of the tires and tubes.. yes sir you will be slower. get ride of the odometer and it still rides and feels quick.. and for sport riding I don't really notice it.. but it is slower.. not just tires through... it's a package. So a century takes 45 minutes longer.. I'm much more comfortable. Kelly -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/VStrKsop2OQJ. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Roadeo or RB1?
As opposed to 20, 22 etc. Too narrow for me but the TDF guys use them for a reason. On Sunday, January 1, 2012, Steve Palincsar wrote: > On Sun, 2012-01-01 at 18:51 -0500, robert zeidler wrote: >> I have several bikes with Cerf's and love them. I enjoy the ride >> although I don't buy the "they're just as fast as skinnier tires" for >> a second. They are, though, very good. > > What do you mean? Cerfs /are/ skinny tires. > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Roadeo or RB1?
On Sun, 2012-01-01 at 18:51 -0500, robert zeidler wrote: > I have several bikes with Cerf's and love them. I enjoy the ride > although I don't buy the "they're just as fast as skinnier tires" for > a second. They are, though, very good. What do you mean? Cerfs /are/ skinny tires. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Roadeo or RB1?
I have several bikes with Cerf's and love them. I enjoy the ride although I don't buy the "they're just as fast as skinnier tires" for a second. They are, though, very good. On Sunday, January 1, 2012, Pondero wrote: > In early fall, I wanted a bike like that, but couldn't afford the > Roadeo. So I found a 1984 Trek 660. I cleaned it up, put some Grand > Bois Cerf's on it, and was pleasantly surprised (astonished) by how > good it rides. It met my objective perfectly. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Roadeo or RB1?
And let me say, Sir, that I enjoy your blog and would love to come out for your group ride next (this) year. On Sunday, January 1, 2012, Pondero wrote: > In early fall, I wanted a bike like that, but couldn't afford the > Roadeo. So I found a 1984 Trek 660. I cleaned it up, put some Grand > Bois Cerf's on it, and was pleasantly surprised (astonished) by how > good it rides. It met my objective perfectly. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Roadeo or RB1?
Intetesting thought. On Sunday, January 1, 2012, Steve Palincsar wrote: > On Sun, 2012-01-01 at 18:02 -0500, robert zeidler wrote: >> Kelly, as usual, makes sense. >> The next bike, if there is a next bike, I get will be another Riv >> Custom, set up to accept multiple wheel-sets for knobbies, smooth road >> light and skinny, rough road fat and comfy, 700 and 650 if possible. A >> Swiss Army knife kind of thing. >> > > As you know, the tools on a multi-tool or Swiss Army knife are typically > inferior to dedicated tools. What you're describing can only end up a > half-assed compromise, inferior in every aspect to a bike designed for > that role. > > However, if you want a bike that can be fast and comfortable on pavement > and also competent on gravel, let me suggest a bike built around the > 650B Hetre tire, like my MAP Randonneur, or Jan's new Herse. > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Roadeo or RB1?
On Sun, 2012-01-01 at 18:02 -0500, robert zeidler wrote: > Kelly, as usual, makes sense. > The next bike, if there is a next bike, I get will be another Riv > Custom, set up to accept multiple wheel-sets for knobbies, smooth road > light and skinny, rough road fat and comfy, 700 and 650 if possible. A > Swiss Army knife kind of thing. > As you know, the tools on a multi-tool or Swiss Army knife are typically inferior to dedicated tools. What you're describing can only end up a half-assed compromise, inferior in every aspect to a bike designed for that role. However, if you want a bike that can be fast and comfortable on pavement and also competent on gravel, let me suggest a bike built around the 650B Hetre tire, like my MAP Randonneur, or Jan's new Herse. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Roadeo or RB1?
Maybe you're right More is better. My nod to consumerism. On Sunday, January 1, 2012, robert zeidler wrote: > I have 2 Bilenkys. Stephen is great to work with but has missed the promised date both times. > You can see my first one (they called it Big Blue) in Google images, pictured with his daughter Bina. > > On Sunday, January 1, 2012, Mike wrote: >> The Calfee got a favorable review in BQ recently. Why not a Waterford, >> Gunnar or Bilenky? Or just go with the Roadeo. The Soma/Riv San >> Marcos? >> >> --mike >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. >> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Roadeo or RB1?
I have 2 Bilenkys. Stephen is great to work with but has missed the promised date both times. You can see my first one (they called it Big Blue) in Google images, pictured with his daughter Bina. On Sunday, January 1, 2012, Mike wrote: > The Calfee got a favorable review in BQ recently. Why not a Waterford, > Gunnar or Bilenky? Or just go with the Roadeo. The Soma/Riv San > Marcos? > > --mike > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Roadeo or RB1?
Robert, I did that with my All-Rounder. I now kind of regret it. I would rather have gone the two (or three!) dedicated bikes route than the one bike to rule them all way I went. On 1/1/12, robert zeidler wrote: > Kelly, as usual, makes sense. > The next bike, if there is a next bike, I get will be another Riv Custom, > set up to accept multiple wheel-sets for knobbies, smooth road light and > skinny, rough road fat and comfy, 700 and 650 if possible. A Swiss Army > knife kind of thing. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Roadeo or RB1?
Kelly, as usual, makes sense. The next bike, if there is a next bike, I get will be another Riv Custom, set up to accept multiple wheel-sets for knobbies, smooth road light and skinny, rough road fat and comfy, 700 and 650 if possible. A Swiss Army knife kind of thing. On Sunday, January 1, 2012, Kelly Sleeper wrote: > Well my wife sold her extralite Merlin and then went to the Roadeo.. hasn't looked back.. the Merlin just sat there .. she finally sold it. The Roadeo is light and quick and fun to ride fast. > If you just want cf then Calfee is a great choice ... Roadeo is the fast and comfortable choice with options for changing attitudes. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/3IcGg6e0BZcJ. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Roadeo or RB1?
Responsive, light, comfy, light. Did I mention light? Light enough to notice. On Sunday, January 1, 2012, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > Cheaper than a custom Riv!! I'll keep Calfee in mind. > $500 less than a custom Riv!! > So, how does it ride? > On Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 2:34 PM, robert zeidler wrote: >> >> Without options it's pushing $3K for a frame. >> > > > > -- > Patrick Moore > Albuquerque, NM > For professional resumes, contact > Patrick Moore, ACRW > http://resumespecialties.com/index.html > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Roadeo or RB1?
Cheaper than a custom Riv!! I'll keep Calfee in mind. $500 less than a custom Riv!! So, how does it ride? On Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 2:34 PM, robert zeidler wrote: > Without options it's pushing $3K for a frame. > > -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Roadeo or RB1?
Without options it's pushing $3K for a frame. On Sunday, January 1, 2012, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > Several listers have mentioned Calfee. Maybe this would be a place where a CF bike would be appropriate. I'd love to hear comparos of Calfees with other, more Rivendellian models. > Tho' I fear to hear what a Calfee costs ... > > On Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 2:23 PM, robert zeidler wrote: >> >> It's a nice problem to have. >> When I went that route, I went Calfee (gasp!) >> >> RGZ >> >> On Sunday, January 1, 2012, PATRICK MOORE wrote: >> > Hardly have sold the Herse and I am salivating at the thought of something new. What I need, I say, *need*, is a gofast multispeed bike (with coasting capability); no gd fenders, racks -- I've got plenty of bikes that will take fenders, racks and loads. This would be for fair weather, no-load, cycling-kit-wearing (but wool kit), lightweight rides. No tire fatter than 28 and 26 acceptable. >> > Now I am sure that the Roadeo is a better bike and I know that fender and 32 mm clearance won't take from its speed; but the R would run upward of $4K minimum built with used parts, and I would hope to find a RB1 or similar classic for less. >> > I want something that is fast to accelerate, climbs well, corners "intuitively" and that will well fit a long torso and short limbs. >> > Perhaps I ought to convert my 1999 650C Joe Starck fixie custom to a gearie (having converted my '03 Curt gearie to a fixed commuter). Actually, now that I think of that, this might make sense -- unless I convert the '99 to a trike. >> > Seriously, Rodeo or RB1 or clone? >> > >> > -- >> > Patrick Moore >> > Albuquerque, NM >> > For professional resumes, contact >> > Patrick Moore, ACRW >> > http://resumespecialties.com/index.html >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. >> > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. >> > >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > > > -- > Patrick Moore > Albuquerque, NM > For professional resumes, contact > Patrick Moore, ACRW > http://resumespecialties.com/index.html > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Roadeo or RB1?
Several listers have mentioned Calfee. Maybe this would be a place where a CF bike would be appropriate. I'd love to hear comparos of Calfees with other, more Rivendellian models. Tho' I fear to hear what a Calfee costs ... On Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 2:23 PM, robert zeidler wrote: > It's a nice problem to have. > When I went that route, I went Calfee (gasp!) > > RGZ > > > On Sunday, January 1, 2012, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > > Hardly have sold the Herse and I am salivating at the thought of > something new. What I need, I say, *need*, is a gofast multispeed bike > (with coasting capability); no gd fenders, racks -- I've got plenty of > bikes that will take fenders, racks and loads. This would be for fair > weather, no-load, cycling-kit-wearing (but wool kit), lightweight rides. No > tire fatter than 28 and 26 acceptable. > > Now I am sure that the Roadeo is a better bike and I know that fender > and 32 mm clearance won't take from its speed; but the R would run upward > of $4K minimum built with used parts, and I would hope to find a RB1 or > similar classic for less. > > I want something that is fast to accelerate, climbs well, corners > "intuitively" and that will well fit a long torso and short limbs. > > Perhaps I ought to convert my 1999 650C Joe Starck fixie custom to a > gearie (having converted my '03 Curt gearie to a fixed commuter). Actually, > now that I think of that, this might make sense -- unless I convert the '99 > to a trike. > > Seriously, Rodeo or RB1 or clone? > > > > -- > > Patrick Moore > > Albuquerque, NM > > For professional resumes, contact > > Patrick Moore, ACRW > > http://resumespecialties.com/index.html > > > > > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Roadeo or RB1?
It's a nice problem to have. When I went that route, I went Calfee (gasp!) RGZ On Sunday, January 1, 2012, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > Hardly have sold the Herse and I am salivating at the thought of something new. What I need, I say, *need*, is a gofast multispeed bike (with coasting capability); no gd fenders, racks -- I've got plenty of bikes that will take fenders, racks and loads. This would be for fair weather, no-load, cycling-kit-wearing (but wool kit), lightweight rides. No tire fatter than 28 and 26 acceptable. > Now I am sure that the Roadeo is a better bike and I know that fender and 32 mm clearance won't take from its speed; but the R would run upward of $4K minimum built with used parts, and I would hope to find a RB1 or similar classic for less. > I want something that is fast to accelerate, climbs well, corners "intuitively" and that will well fit a long torso and short limbs. > Perhaps I ought to convert my 1999 650C Joe Starck fixie custom to a gearie (having converted my '03 Curt gearie to a fixed commuter). Actually, now that I think of that, this might make sense -- unless I convert the '99 to a trike. > Seriously, Rodeo or RB1 or clone? > > -- > Patrick Moore > Albuquerque, NM > For professional resumes, contact > Patrick Moore, ACRW > http://resumespecialties.com/index.html > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
