Re: [RBW] Sam Hillborne, Oregon Outback, Off-roading and the ?: 2 bikes or 2 sets of wheels?

2014-11-21 Thread Eric Norris 
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> On Nov 21, 2014, at 10:59 AM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
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> On 11/21/2014 01:00 PM, Patrick Moore wrote:
>> I recall fixing clearance on a beater Schwinn Tempo frame at the rear brake 
>> bridge with a hammer. It worked! Fixed gear, of course -- my first one, in 
>> fact. Wanted to fit a 26 mm tire.
>> 
>> (Don't tell Steve ...)
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Re: [RBW] Sam Hillborne, Oregon Outback, Off-roading and the ?: 2 bikes or 2 sets of wheels?

2014-11-18 Thread Patrick Moore 
The Thunder Burt looks like a very nice off road tire -- Schwalbe claims
575 grams for the 2.25 29er size. I may have to try that one when my
Furious Freds wear out -- the bigger knobs and greater width would be
welcome in sand and for washboard. $92 each! But a close to perfect tire is
worth the money, IMO.

The Furious Freds, OTOH, roll quite fast on pavement despite the vestigial
knobs and are proving surprisingly durable for the minimalist tread.

On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 10:17 PM, Mike S  wrote:

> "Patrick Moore, evading the ever-present, quasi-adverb "so", in ABQ, NM"
>
> You salty dog!
>
> On Sunday, November 16, 2014 3:13:50 PM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Can the Sam Hill take a 50 mm tire? Mine was (IIRC) a 2010 model, and I
>> doubt it would fit a tire so wide.
>>
>> *IF* it takes such a width, my own, personal choice would be the Sam
>> Hill. Though I disliked aspects of mine (sold it before I'd owned it 12
>> months because it was doggy-ish as a road bike), I think I'd keep one that
>> could take 55 mm tires; indeed, I think I'd sell my Fargo to purchase a Sam
>> Hill with 55 mm tires, even if the clearances around those 55s were
>> minimal. An off road Sam Hill would be wonderful.
>>
>> As for "moderately aggressive" tires in the 50 mm or so width: The
>> Furious Fred is wonderfully light (*360 grams on a Pelouze mail scale
>> for the 622X50*) and has enough tread to make a slight difference
>> compared to slicks on loose dirt. But it has absolutely no resistance to
>> thorns. I rectify this with Stan's, in a tubeless setup, and the
>> combination is wonderful in goathead land. The Big Apple is much heavier,
>> but a nice rolling tire withal considering (a) its bulk and (b) the
>> effective puncture belt; and it withstands goatheads wonderfully* without
>> recourse to sealant. (Caveat: I've used 559 and 622 60 mm Big Apples in the
>> garden variety wire bead model and in the "Liteskin" model, no longer made.)
>>
>> * "Withstands", vi, to wit: it won't keep a goathead thorn from
>> penetrating after several pavement rotations; but I've rolled out from dirt
>> excursions with literally scores of goatheads stuck to the tread, flicked
>> them off, and ridden home without any air loss. IOW, the thorn has to work
>> hard to get through the BA's puncture belt. *And*, the tire rolls
>> surprisingly well compared to other belted tires, which are pure shite in
>> that regard.
>>
>> Patrick Moore, evading the ever-present, quasi-adverb "so", in ABQ, NM
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 3:33 PM, Mike S  wrote:
>>
>>> So I currently have my Sam Hillborne as my only bike, though I was
>>> considering adding a front suspension/disc-brake mountain bike to the
>>> stable. There's a deal for a Jamis 650B dragon pro on the interwebs now for
>>> $1400, but I'm thinking I could rather add a second set of very nice wheels
>>> with fatter tires instead. My main reason to do this is so that first of
>>> all, I can have a set of slicks and a set of studded tires in the winter,
>>> as I live in a very icy/snowy area and am bummed out by having just studded
>>> tank tires to ride in winter. Beyond that, I want to have a set of wheels
>>> with a 55mm-ish tire that can handle most gravel/firetrail/light
>>> singletrack in a ride like the Oregon Outback, as I am hoping to actually
>>> do that ride this summer. It would also just be nice to have this set of
>>> wheels that can handle more aggressive off-road riding to go explore
>>> different areas where I'm at (Eastern Washington).
>>>
>>> So, I guess the question I pose to the group is: better to have a
>>> second, cheap-ish mountain bike or a second set of really nice wheels to
>>> maximize the All-Rounderness of a Hillborne? I've been thinking also about
>>> Jan Heine's opinion that a rigid all-road bike with fat tires is the
>>> "Porsche 911" of a gravel-orientated ride, and I want to stick with that
>>> plan. Also, what are some ideas about the best tire model to do this kind
>>> of riding? I think that 50-54mm with a moderately aggressive tread would be
>>> perfect, but I'm wondering if there is something better than the Smart Sam?
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Sam Hillborne, Oregon Outback, Off-roading and the ?: 2 bikes or 2 sets of wheels?

2014-11-17 Thread Mike S 
"Patrick Moore, evading the ever-present, quasi-adverb "so", in ABQ, NM"

You salty dog!

On Sunday, November 16, 2014 3:13:50 PM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Can the Sam Hill take a 50 mm tire? Mine was (IIRC) a 2010 model, and I 
> doubt it would fit a tire so wide. 
>
> *IF* it takes such a width, my own, personal choice would be the Sam 
> Hill. Though I disliked aspects of mine (sold it before I'd owned it 12 
> months because it was doggy-ish as a road bike), I think I'd keep one that 
> could take 55 mm tires; indeed, I think I'd sell my Fargo to purchase a Sam 
> Hill with 55 mm tires, even if the clearances around those 55s were 
> minimal. An off road Sam Hill would be wonderful.
>
> As for "moderately aggressive" tires in the 50 mm or so width: The Furious 
> Fred is wonderfully light (*360 grams on a Pelouze mail scale for the 
> 622X50*) and has enough tread to make a slight difference compared to 
> slicks on loose dirt. But it has absolutely no resistance to thorns. I 
> rectify this with Stan's, in a tubeless setup, and the combination is 
> wonderful in goathead land. The Big Apple is much heavier, but a nice 
> rolling tire withal considering (a) its bulk and (b) the effective puncture 
> belt; and it withstands goatheads wonderfully* without recourse to sealant. 
> (Caveat: I've used 559 and 622 60 mm Big Apples in the garden variety wire 
> bead model and in the "Liteskin" model, no longer made.)
>
> * "Withstands", vi, to wit: it won't keep a goathead thorn from 
> penetrating after several pavement rotations; but I've rolled out from dirt 
> excursions with literally scores of goatheads stuck to the tread, flicked 
> them off, and ridden home without any air loss. IOW, the thorn has to work 
> hard to get through the BA's puncture belt. *And*, the tire rolls 
> surprisingly well compared to other belted tires, which are pure shite in 
> that regard.
>
> Patrick Moore, evading the ever-present, quasi-adverb "so", in ABQ, NM
>
> On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 3:33 PM, Mike S 
> > wrote:
>
>> So I currently have my Sam Hillborne as my only bike, though I was 
>> considering adding a front suspension/disc-brake mountain bike to the 
>> stable. There's a deal for a Jamis 650B dragon pro on the interwebs now for 
>> $1400, but I'm thinking I could rather add a second set of very nice wheels 
>> with fatter tires instead. My main reason to do this is so that first of 
>> all, I can have a set of slicks and a set of studded tires in the winter, 
>> as I live in a very icy/snowy area and am bummed out by having just studded 
>> tank tires to ride in winter. Beyond that, I want to have a set of wheels 
>> with a 55mm-ish tire that can handle most gravel/firetrail/light 
>> singletrack in a ride like the Oregon Outback, as I am hoping to actually 
>> do that ride this summer. It would also just be nice to have this set of 
>> wheels that can handle more aggressive off-road riding to go explore 
>> different areas where I'm at (Eastern Washington). 
>>
>> So, I guess the question I pose to the group is: better to have a second, 
>> cheap-ish mountain bike or a second set of really nice wheels to maximize 
>> the All-Rounderness of a Hillborne? I've been thinking also about Jan 
>> Heine's opinion that a rigid all-road bike with fat tires is the "Porsche 
>> 911" of a gravel-orientated ride, and I want to stick with that plan. Also, 
>> what are some ideas about the best tire model to do this kind of riding? I 
>> think that 50-54mm with a moderately aggressive tread would be perfect, but 
>> I'm wondering if there is something better than the Smart Sam? 
>>
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Re: [RBW] Sam Hillborne, Oregon Outback, Off-roading and the ?: 2 bikes or 2 sets of wheels?

2014-11-17 Thread Kurt Manley 
Panaracer firecross 700x45 
BG Rock and Road 
Soma Cazadero 
29x1.75 Smart Sam (If it ever becomes available again) 
Vee Rubber 12 
and Kenda Small block 8 are all good tire choices for your existing frame 
and plenty capable off road.

Have fun!

On Sunday, November 16, 2014 5:14:45 PM UTC-8, Mike S wrote:
>
> I agree on the versatility of more than one bike, but the thing is, it 
> takes about $4000 for me to get a bike that I like every single aspect of, 
> like my Sam Hillborne ;) . The option I was looking at is a Jamis Dragon 
> 650b, but I would rather stick with my Sam since it is so perfect in so 
> many regards, the only apparent limitation being an upper limit of about 
> 48mm without a fender. I wonder if the Furious Fred tubeless setup would 
> work for me... 
>
>
>
> On Sunday, November 16, 2014 3:47:55 PM UTC-8, Eric Daume wrote:
>>
>> Unless you're absolutely jammed for space, two bikes is a lot more 
>> versatile than one, regardless of extra wheelsets.
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 5:33 PM, Mike S  wrote:
>>
>>> So I currently have my Sam Hillborne as my only bike, though I was 
>>> considering adding a front suspension/disc-brake mountain bike to the 
>>> stable. There's a deal for a Jamis 650B dragon pro on the interwebs now for 
>>> $1400, but I'm thinking I could rather add a second set of very nice wheels 
>>> with fatter tires instead. My main reason to do this is so that first of 
>>> all, I can have a set of slicks and a set of studded tires in the winter, 
>>> as I live in a very icy/snowy area and am bummed out by having just studded 
>>> tank tires to ride in winter. Beyond that, I want to have a set of wheels 
>>> with a 55mm-ish tire that can handle most gravel/firetrail/light 
>>> singletrack in a ride like the Oregon Outback, as I am hoping to actually 
>>> do that ride this summer. It would also just be nice to have this set of 
>>> wheels that can handle more aggressive off-road riding to go explore 
>>> different areas where I'm at (Eastern Washington). 
>>>
>>> So, I guess the question I pose to the group is: better to have a 
>>> second, cheap-ish mountain bike or a second set of really nice wheels to 
>>> maximize the All-Rounderness of a Hillborne? I've been thinking also about 
>>> Jan Heine's opinion that a rigid all-road bike with fat tires is the 
>>> "Porsche 911" of a gravel-orientated ride, and I want to stick with that 
>>> plan. Also, what are some ideas about the best tire model to do this kind 
>>> of riding? I think that 50-54mm with a moderately aggressive tread would be 
>>> perfect, but I'm wondering if there is something better than the Smart Sam? 
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Sam Hillborne, Oregon Outback, Off-roading and the ?: 2 bikes or 2 sets of wheels?

2014-11-16 Thread Chris Chen 
well then, ditch the fenders :)

sure it'll be messy but that might be part of the fun

On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 5:14 PM, Mike S  wrote:

> I agree on the versatility of more than one bike, but the thing is, it
> takes about $4000 for me to get a bike that I like every single aspect of,
> like my Sam Hillborne ;) . The option I was looking at is a Jamis Dragon
> 650b, but I would rather stick with my Sam since it is so perfect in so
> many regards, the only apparent limitation being an upper limit of about
> 48mm without a fender. I wonder if the Furious Fred tubeless setup would
> work for me...
>
>
>
> On Sunday, November 16, 2014 3:47:55 PM UTC-8, Eric Daume wrote:
>>
>> Unless you're absolutely jammed for space, two bikes is a lot more
>> versatile than one, regardless of extra wheelsets.
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 5:33 PM, Mike S  wrote:
>>
>>> So I currently have my Sam Hillborne as my only bike, though I was
>>> considering adding a front suspension/disc-brake mountain bike to the
>>> stable. There's a deal for a Jamis 650B dragon pro on the interwebs now for
>>> $1400, but I'm thinking I could rather add a second set of very nice wheels
>>> with fatter tires instead. My main reason to do this is so that first of
>>> all, I can have a set of slicks and a set of studded tires in the winter,
>>> as I live in a very icy/snowy area and am bummed out by having just studded
>>> tank tires to ride in winter. Beyond that, I want to have a set of wheels
>>> with a 55mm-ish tire that can handle most gravel/firetrail/light
>>> singletrack in a ride like the Oregon Outback, as I am hoping to actually
>>> do that ride this summer. It would also just be nice to have this set of
>>> wheels that can handle more aggressive off-road riding to go explore
>>> different areas where I'm at (Eastern Washington).
>>>
>>> So, I guess the question I pose to the group is: better to have a
>>> second, cheap-ish mountain bike or a second set of really nice wheels to
>>> maximize the All-Rounderness of a Hillborne? I've been thinking also about
>>> Jan Heine's opinion that a rigid all-road bike with fat tires is the
>>> "Porsche 911" of a gravel-orientated ride, and I want to stick with that
>>> plan. Also, what are some ideas about the best tire model to do this kind
>>> of riding? I think that 50-54mm with a moderately aggressive tread would be
>>> perfect, but I'm wondering if there is something better than the Smart Sam?
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Sam Hillborne, Oregon Outback, Off-roading and the ?: 2 bikes or 2 sets of wheels?

2014-11-16 Thread Mike S 
FWIW, the Jamis Dragon 650B is a 21" on clearance from Jenson USA at $1400 
for a complete bike, and a fancy new White Industries wheelset for my Sam 
would be ~ $800. 

On Sunday, November 16, 2014 5:14:45 PM UTC-8, Mike S wrote:
>
> I agree on the versatility of more than one bike, but the thing is, it 
> takes about $4000 for me to get a bike that I like every single aspect of, 
> like my Sam Hillborne ;) . The option I was looking at is a Jamis Dragon 
> 650b, but I would rather stick with my Sam since it is so perfect in so 
> many regards, the only apparent limitation being an upper limit of about 
> 48mm without a fender. I wonder if the Furious Fred tubeless setup would 
> work for me... 
>
>
>
> On Sunday, November 16, 2014 3:47:55 PM UTC-8, Eric Daume wrote:
>>
>> Unless you're absolutely jammed for space, two bikes is a lot more 
>> versatile than one, regardless of extra wheelsets.
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 5:33 PM, Mike S  wrote:
>>
>>> So I currently have my Sam Hillborne as my only bike, though I was 
>>> considering adding a front suspension/disc-brake mountain bike to the 
>>> stable. There's a deal for a Jamis 650B dragon pro on the interwebs now for 
>>> $1400, but I'm thinking I could rather add a second set of very nice wheels 
>>> with fatter tires instead. My main reason to do this is so that first of 
>>> all, I can have a set of slicks and a set of studded tires in the winter, 
>>> as I live in a very icy/snowy area and am bummed out by having just studded 
>>> tank tires to ride in winter. Beyond that, I want to have a set of wheels 
>>> with a 55mm-ish tire that can handle most gravel/firetrail/light 
>>> singletrack in a ride like the Oregon Outback, as I am hoping to actually 
>>> do that ride this summer. It would also just be nice to have this set of 
>>> wheels that can handle more aggressive off-road riding to go explore 
>>> different areas where I'm at (Eastern Washington). 
>>>
>>> So, I guess the question I pose to the group is: better to have a 
>>> second, cheap-ish mountain bike or a second set of really nice wheels to 
>>> maximize the All-Rounderness of a Hillborne? I've been thinking also about 
>>> Jan Heine's opinion that a rigid all-road bike with fat tires is the 
>>> "Porsche 911" of a gravel-orientated ride, and I want to stick with that 
>>> plan. Also, what are some ideas about the best tire model to do this kind 
>>> of riding? I think that 50-54mm with a moderately aggressive tread would be 
>>> perfect, but I'm wondering if there is something better than the Smart Sam? 
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Sam Hillborne, Oregon Outback, Off-roading and the ?: 2 bikes or 2 sets of wheels?

2014-11-16 Thread Mike S 
I agree on the versatility of more than one bike, but the thing is, it 
takes about $4000 for me to get a bike that I like every single aspect of, 
like my Sam Hillborne ;) . The option I was looking at is a Jamis Dragon 
650b, but I would rather stick with my Sam since it is so perfect in so 
many regards, the only apparent limitation being an upper limit of about 
48mm without a fender. I wonder if the Furious Fred tubeless setup would 
work for me... 



On Sunday, November 16, 2014 3:47:55 PM UTC-8, Eric Daume wrote:
>
> Unless you're absolutely jammed for space, two bikes is a lot more 
> versatile than one, regardless of extra wheelsets.
>
> On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 5:33 PM, Mike S 
> > wrote:
>
>> So I currently have my Sam Hillborne as my only bike, though I was 
>> considering adding a front suspension/disc-brake mountain bike to the 
>> stable. There's a deal for a Jamis 650B dragon pro on the interwebs now for 
>> $1400, but I'm thinking I could rather add a second set of very nice wheels 
>> with fatter tires instead. My main reason to do this is so that first of 
>> all, I can have a set of slicks and a set of studded tires in the winter, 
>> as I live in a very icy/snowy area and am bummed out by having just studded 
>> tank tires to ride in winter. Beyond that, I want to have a set of wheels 
>> with a 55mm-ish tire that can handle most gravel/firetrail/light 
>> singletrack in a ride like the Oregon Outback, as I am hoping to actually 
>> do that ride this summer. It would also just be nice to have this set of 
>> wheels that can handle more aggressive off-road riding to go explore 
>> different areas where I'm at (Eastern Washington). 
>>
>> So, I guess the question I pose to the group is: better to have a second, 
>> cheap-ish mountain bike or a second set of really nice wheels to maximize 
>> the All-Rounderness of a Hillborne? I've been thinking also about Jan 
>> Heine's opinion that a rigid all-road bike with fat tires is the "Porsche 
>> 911" of a gravel-orientated ride, and I want to stick with that plan. Also, 
>> what are some ideas about the best tire model to do this kind of riding? I 
>> think that 50-54mm with a moderately aggressive tread would be perfect, but 
>> I'm wondering if there is something better than the Smart Sam? 
>>
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Re: [RBW] Sam Hillborne, Oregon Outback, Off-roading and the ?: 2 bikes or 2 sets of wheels?

2014-11-16 Thread Eric Daume 
Unless you're absolutely jammed for space, two bikes is a lot more
versatile than one, regardless of extra wheelsets.

On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 5:33 PM, Mike S  wrote:

> So I currently have my Sam Hillborne as my only bike, though I was
> considering adding a front suspension/disc-brake mountain bike to the
> stable. There's a deal for a Jamis 650B dragon pro on the interwebs now for
> $1400, but I'm thinking I could rather add a second set of very nice wheels
> with fatter tires instead. My main reason to do this is so that first of
> all, I can have a set of slicks and a set of studded tires in the winter,
> as I live in a very icy/snowy area and am bummed out by having just studded
> tank tires to ride in winter. Beyond that, I want to have a set of wheels
> with a 55mm-ish tire that can handle most gravel/firetrail/light
> singletrack in a ride like the Oregon Outback, as I am hoping to actually
> do that ride this summer. It would also just be nice to have this set of
> wheels that can handle more aggressive off-road riding to go explore
> different areas where I'm at (Eastern Washington).
>
> So, I guess the question I pose to the group is: better to have a second,
> cheap-ish mountain bike or a second set of really nice wheels to maximize
> the All-Rounderness of a Hillborne? I've been thinking also about Jan
> Heine's opinion that a rigid all-road bike with fat tires is the "Porsche
> 911" of a gravel-orientated ride, and I want to stick with that plan. Also,
> what are some ideas about the best tire model to do this kind of riding? I
> think that 50-54mm with a moderately aggressive tread would be perfect, but
> I'm wondering if there is something better than the Smart Sam?
>
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Re: [RBW] Sam Hillborne, Oregon Outback, Off-roading and the ?: 2 bikes or 2 sets of wheels?

2014-11-16 Thread Aaron Young 
I've been riding an OG green Sam H. with Hetres on all sorts of stuff
including single track (unloaded) with sharp rocks and have had no problems
off road.  With Jan's recent showing on the OO I would be fine taking it as
is on the OO.  However, I would consider packing light as that's what Jan
did.  Also, I wouldn't be opposed to putting a stouter tire on.

If your fit is comfortable on your Sam H. and you really like riding it, I
would recommend that over getting a different bike that you may or may not
like as much.  Especially for a long ride where comfort is key.

As far as studded tires, I rode year round for 4 years in Rochester, NY
which has much more snow the E. Washington and in the winter I never used
studded tires.  My wheels were 27" so I put some small-studded cyclocross
tires on for winter time (I searched for, but did not find studded tires in
that size) and unless there was a literal sheet of ice it was just fine.
Even with studs you aren't guaranteed not crashing on ice.  The key is ride
slow and be careful.  I do admit I fell twice during those 4 years, but
never was injured.  Lucky, I guess.

Those Cazadero's look awesome though.  I may have to check them out.
Thanks, Chris.  Might be good for snow, too.  Sorry, I don't have other
tire recommendations.  Good luck! Hope to see you on the Outback next year
(I hope to go).

-Aaron Young
The Dalles, OR

On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 3:13 PM, Chris Chen  wrote:

> Interesting: I figured a tire like the new Cazadero would be just about
> perfect for most of the outback. I guess you'd need to walk a little but I
> don't figure that's too bad.
>
> Of course I have a 650b x 55 truck so...
>
> On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 2:33 PM, Mike S  wrote:
>
>> So I currently have my Sam Hillborne as my only bike, though I was
>> considering adding a front suspension/disc-brake mountain bike to the
>> stable. There's a deal for a Jamis 650B dragon pro on the interwebs now for
>> $1400, but I'm thinking I could rather add a second set of very nice wheels
>> with fatter tires instead. My main reason to do this is so that first of
>> all, I can have a set of slicks and a set of studded tires in the winter,
>> as I live in a very icy/snowy area and am bummed out by having just studded
>> tank tires to ride in winter. Beyond that, I want to have a set of wheels
>> with a 55mm-ish tire that can handle most gravel/firetrail/light
>> singletrack in a ride like the Oregon Outback, as I am hoping to actually
>> do that ride this summer. It would also just be nice to have this set of
>> wheels that can handle more aggressive off-road riding to go explore
>> different areas where I'm at (Eastern Washington).
>>
>> So, I guess the question I pose to the group is: better to have a second,
>> cheap-ish mountain bike or a second set of really nice wheels to maximize
>> the All-Rounderness of a Hillborne? I've been thinking also about Jan
>> Heine's opinion that a rigid all-road bike with fat tires is the "Porsche
>> 911" of a gravel-orientated ride, and I want to stick with that plan. Also,
>> what are some ideas about the best tire model to do this kind of riding? I
>> think that 50-54mm with a moderately aggressive tread would be perfect, but
>> I'm wondering if there is something better than the Smart Sam?
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Re: [RBW] Sam Hillborne, Oregon Outback, Off-roading and the ?: 2 bikes or 2 sets of wheels?

2014-11-16 Thread Chris Chen 
Interesting: I figured a tire like the new Cazadero would be just about
perfect for most of the outback. I guess you'd need to walk a little but I
don't figure that's too bad.

Of course I have a 650b x 55 truck so...

On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 2:33 PM, Mike S  wrote:

> So I currently have my Sam Hillborne as my only bike, though I was
> considering adding a front suspension/disc-brake mountain bike to the
> stable. There's a deal for a Jamis 650B dragon pro on the interwebs now for
> $1400, but I'm thinking I could rather add a second set of very nice wheels
> with fatter tires instead. My main reason to do this is so that first of
> all, I can have a set of slicks and a set of studded tires in the winter,
> as I live in a very icy/snowy area and am bummed out by having just studded
> tank tires to ride in winter. Beyond that, I want to have a set of wheels
> with a 55mm-ish tire that can handle most gravel/firetrail/light
> singletrack in a ride like the Oregon Outback, as I am hoping to actually
> do that ride this summer. It would also just be nice to have this set of
> wheels that can handle more aggressive off-road riding to go explore
> different areas where I'm at (Eastern Washington).
>
> So, I guess the question I pose to the group is: better to have a second,
> cheap-ish mountain bike or a second set of really nice wheels to maximize
> the All-Rounderness of a Hillborne? I've been thinking also about Jan
> Heine's opinion that a rigid all-road bike with fat tires is the "Porsche
> 911" of a gravel-orientated ride, and I want to stick with that plan. Also,
> what are some ideas about the best tire model to do this kind of riding? I
> think that 50-54mm with a moderately aggressive tread would be perfect, but
> I'm wondering if there is something better than the Smart Sam?
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Re: [RBW] Sam Hillborne, Oregon Outback, Off-roading and the ?: 2 bikes or 2 sets of wheels?

2014-11-16 Thread Patrick Moore 
Can the Sam Hill take a 50 mm tire? Mine was (IIRC) a 2010 model, and I
doubt it would fit a tire so wide.

*IF* it takes such a width, my own, personal choice would be the Sam Hill.
Though I disliked aspects of mine (sold it before I'd owned it 12 months
because it was doggy-ish as a road bike), I think I'd keep one that could
take 55 mm tires; indeed, I think I'd sell my Fargo to purchase a Sam Hill
with 55 mm tires, even if the clearances around those 55s were minimal. An
off road Sam Hill would be wonderful.

As for "moderately aggressive" tires in the 50 mm or so width: The Furious
Fred is wonderfully light (*360 grams on a Pelouze mail scale for the
622X50*) and has enough tread to make a slight difference compared to
slicks on loose dirt. But it has absolutely no resistance to thorns. I
rectify this with Stan's, in a tubeless setup, and the combination is
wonderful in goathead land. The Big Apple is much heavier, but a nice
rolling tire withal considering (a) its bulk and (b) the effective puncture
belt; and it withstands goatheads wonderfully* without recourse to sealant.
(Caveat: I've used 559 and 622 60 mm Big Apples in the garden variety wire
bead model and in the "Liteskin" model, no longer made.)

* "Withstands", vi, to wit: it won't keep a goathead thorn from penetrating
after several pavement rotations; but I've rolled out from dirt excursions
with literally scores of goatheads stuck to the tread, flicked them off,
and ridden home without any air loss. IOW, the thorn has to work hard to
get through the BA's puncture belt. *And*, the tire rolls surprisingly well
compared to other belted tires, which are pure shite in that regard.

Patrick Moore, evading the ever-present, quasi-adverb "so", in ABQ, NM

On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 3:33 PM, Mike S  wrote:

> So I currently have my Sam Hillborne as my only bike, though I was
> considering adding a front suspension/disc-brake mountain bike to the
> stable. There's a deal for a Jamis 650B dragon pro on the interwebs now for
> $1400, but I'm thinking I could rather add a second set of very nice wheels
> with fatter tires instead. My main reason to do this is so that first of
> all, I can have a set of slicks and a set of studded tires in the winter,
> as I live in a very icy/snowy area and am bummed out by having just studded
> tank tires to ride in winter. Beyond that, I want to have a set of wheels
> with a 55mm-ish tire that can handle most gravel/firetrail/light
> singletrack in a ride like the Oregon Outback, as I am hoping to actually
> do that ride this summer. It would also just be nice to have this set of
> wheels that can handle more aggressive off-road riding to go explore
> different areas where I'm at (Eastern Washington).
>
> So, I guess the question I pose to the group is: better to have a second,
> cheap-ish mountain bike or a second set of really nice wheels to maximize
> the All-Rounderness of a Hillborne? I've been thinking also about Jan
> Heine's opinion that a rigid all-road bike with fat tires is the "Porsche
> 911" of a gravel-orientated ride, and I want to stick with that plan. Also,
> what are some ideas about the best tire model to do this kind of riding? I
> think that 50-54mm with a moderately aggressive tread would be perfect, but
> I'm wondering if there is something better than the Smart Sam?
>
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