Re: [RBW] Silver 2 shifters

2016-10-19 Thread Garth 





  Grant and Bill, Since I have used the original shifters since they came 
out, I have not used anything else and have never thought about them 
needing to be changed. That's where I'm coming from. You know, if it ain't 
broke and it works for you , you don't set out to fix it, that's all. 

FWIW, With Alba bars I have mine mounted downward at about 80-90 
degrees at the inside of the curve, which makes it feel very natural to use 
since I have from there to the bar end for my hands. I have reverse brake 
levers. So a forward extension would mean they'd need to be used another 
way. This would be simply an unknown to me, but I'm sure some way would 
present itself to work.  I would use these in a similar inside-the-curve 
position with albastache bars also. 

  As far as the washer, and since I know nothing of manufacturing things, I 
just assumed you had each made so I assumed that shape would be as simple 
to make metal as plastic. It seems from your words the washer is not 
specifically made for this shifter , so that explains that. 

   

  As a side general forum/group/family/friends note, I think of the 
Cookie Monster . Everyone knows he likes and knows nothing but cookies , 
don't they ?  at least to the Cookie Monster everyone knows this. But 
not everyone else does know he likes and knows cookies, so when presented 
with a box of crackers the Cookie Monster is dismayed, "What is this, it's 
as if you don't even know Me ? " 
Ahaahahahahaahahahha !   and so it goes .  smile !




 


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Re: [RBW] Silver 2 shifters

2016-10-19 Thread Grant @ Rivendell 
Shifter pos: The "fwd" pos works better, doesn't put the lever too high in 
the "up" pos. It puts it farther away in the D-pos, but still easily in 
reach.
The lack of metal washer: Ideally it would be oil-stuffed bronze, but that 
would've been an underappreciated black-hole money-sucker. I've said 
going-on googolplex times that the current blackish (as opposed to dark 
taupish) washers don't crack—or, haven't yet in 4-years. I hope nobody 
takes that as a challenge. But what I said in the catalogue about 'em still 
stands: They're fine, and if anybody is heck-bent on metal, it's easy to 
DUI with hardware-store litsy-bitsies. This was described in an old RR and 
describing it again would seem to convey that there's a need where there 
ain't.
I don't mean to invoke the oft-used-as-excuse "perfection is the enemy of 
good" -- but in this case, the relentless pursuit of a metal washer in that 
shape--or the redesign of that part of the shifter so as not to need it -- 
would have been, as they also say, "the straw that broke the camel's back." 
This was one heck of a project in terms of time and money and stress, 
andhail, Plastic!


On Wednesday, October 19, 2016 at 3:37:57 AM UTC-7, Garth wrote:
>
> For Grant, I do wonder why the position of the new shifter is not like the 
> original, as in directly over the bar instead of well forward of it ?  I 
> was so happy to see the shape of the shifter being like he original that I 
> overloked the mount puts the actual shifter well forward of the bar I, just 
> like the Pauls thumb shifter mounts and alike.  I missing something as to 
> why the shifter needs to be extended and not on top of the clamp  ?   Help 
> me understand this , as for the life of me when I see this design being 
> presented and continued(pauls, vo,ird) I gotta wonder, "what on earth are 
> they thinking ?" 

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Re: [RBW] Silver 2 shifters

2016-10-19 Thread Bill Lindsay 
Back in 1983-1985, thumb shifters were right on top of the handlebar.  The 
very first Shimano Indexed thumbshifters (6-speed SIS), were out in front 
by a bit.  Just about everybody at that time thought that was better.  I 
sure thought it was better.  I do not recall ever wishing somebody moved 
the shifter back to being on top of the bars.  Offset somewhat always made 
more sense to me.  Now I admit that I haven't bothered to re-ask that 
question in the last decade or so, but now that I do re-ask the question, I 
can't think of anything that would be achieved by switching back to on top 
of the bar.  Looking at my hand and where my thumb is, I can't think of 
anything good that would come out of making the change backwards 
(physically and temporally).  That's what I'm thinking, Garth.  What are 
you thinking?  :)

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Wednesday, October 19, 2016 at 3:37:57 AM UTC-7, Garth wrote:
>
> For Grant, I do wonder why the position of the new shifter is not like the 
> original, as in directly over the bar instead of well forward of it ?  I 
> was so happy to see the shape of the shifter being like he original that I 
> overloked the mount puts the actual shifter well forward of the bar I, just 
> like the Pauls thumb shifter mounts and alike.  I missing something as to 
> why the shifter needs to be extended and not on top of the clamp  ?   Help 
> me understand this , as for the life of me when I see this design being 
> presented and continued(pauls, vo,ird) I gotta wonder, "what on earth are 
> they thinking ?" 

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Re: [RBW] Silver 2 shifters

2016-10-19 Thread masmojo 
I am guessing that the "plastic" lever that Bill mentioned above was made 
through a rapid prototyping method which yields similar results to a 3D print, 
but is a different process.
You know I love my silver shifters and friction is fine, but I am also OK with 
indexing, in fact the old Deore XT thumb shifters were about as perfect as 
could be. When I am touring or just cruising about town if it takes  a second 
to coax the chain into gear no biggie, but out on the trail many times you need 
to shift quickly & it really needs to be pretty much brainless. That being the 
case, something that can easily be done. Why not? My main issue with indexing 
comes from the move away from simple thumb shifters to "rapid fire" trigger 
shifters.
In '93 I got some Mavic wishbone shifters, they had little interchangable disks 
in them that corresponded to different index systems. Just use the disc, that 
supported your system, my bike still has those shifters & they still work 
great! Not sure why Dia Comp (or Sun Race) could not come up with a ratchet 
shifter that actually indexes using a similar concept!?

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Re: [RBW] Silver 2 shifters

2016-10-19 Thread Garth 

I am also curious as to why the washers for the new ones are not metal , as 
are the original ST thumbies ?


On Sunday, October 16, 2016 at 12:14:03 PM UTC-4, Grant @ Rivendell wrote:
>
> Short answer is: New washers seem fine. Longer answer is below.
>
> THey're still not breakproof, but they're a different plastic than the 
> early ones, and none of these has broken. I've got a bristly take on those 
> washers, probably not a popular one, but here it is--
>
> Plastic (of some sort) is an ideal material for a spacer/washer for this 
> use. The old cruddy plastic was good enough unless it was abused, and when 
> it failed the shifter still worked...and plastic failure posed to rider 
> risk. Any hardware store has flat, wave, and split washers that can slide 
> right in there and be a metal substitute and work well, but if one's thumbs 
> are as big as one's big toes and the rest of the fingers are proportional, 
> this rig can prove a little fussy, and it lacks the "key" that fits into 
> the rectangular hole. (Tho once in place, it's solid). But Plastic Washer 
> #2 has, so far after 4 years, proven to work 100 percent without breaking).
>
> This doesn't mean the first was defo. It was exactly the same as the 
> original washer in the SunTour shifter. It just means it's more 
> "America-proof."
>
> We sell those washers cheap in pairs, and it's those washers that'll go in 
> the Silver-2 shifters. So they could be bought as backups, but considering 
> their track record so far and the low-risk of a failure, buying more than 
> one set of replacement washers is just supplying your heirs with tiny 
> nothings to toss "later on." 
>
> On a more personal level and if I can NOT speak for RBW for a second: I 
> LIKE stuff that can wear out or break (as long as it's not constant) and 
> that can be replaced and made good as new again. I did it for years with 
> Campagnolo parts, and ball bearings in general, now and then a cup or a 
> cone race. 
>
>
>
> On Saturday, October 15, 2016 at 9:54:36 AM UTC-7, Conway Bennett wrote:
>>
>> G,
>>
>> Have you solved the wimpy plastic washer issue?  Maybe a thick hard 
>> rubber?  I remember there were two types of action figures growing up: 
>> brittle Gi joes who's thumbs broke off and these heartier more maliable 
>> super heroes with a similar but durable Kung fu grip.  I don't know why 
>> silvers 1s trigger this memory but that's where my mind goes.  In any case, 
>> I learned my lesson and stocked up as I have silver 1s on noodles and cycle 
>> thru them and chalk it up to regular maintenance.  
>>
>> FW,
>>
>> CBB
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Silver 2 shifters

2016-10-19 Thread Garth 
For Grant, I do wonder why the position of the new shifter is not like the 
original, as in directly over the bar instead of well forward of it ?  I was so 
happy to see the shape of the shifter being like he original that I overloked 
the mount puts the actual shifter well forward of the bar I, just like the 
Pauls thumb shifter mounts and alike.  I missing something as to why the 
shifter needs to be extended and not on top of the clamp  ?   Help me 
understand this , as for the life of me when I see this design being presented 
and continued(pauls, vo,ird) I gotta wonder, "what on earth are they thinking 
?" 

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Re: [RBW] Silver 2 shifters

2016-10-17 Thread Grant Petersen 
We send the place an SLA file and they make it in 3D plastic. It's in
SoCal, called...ForeCast, I think. It's a good way to go before metal..!

On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 9:51 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> Grant
>
> In the BLUG post, the sample/prototype looks like a white plastic.  Was
> that white plastic sample made by 3D printing?  Or was it an SLA(*)?  Or
> did some artisan carve something?  I know the actual shifters will be
> aluminum, and I think it's cast aluminum.  Is that right?
>
> (*) SLA does not mean Symbionese Liberation Army in this context.  It's
> stereolithography-something.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
>
> On Sunday, October 16, 2016 at 9:14:03 AM UTC-7, Grant @ Rivendell wrote:
>>
>> Short answer is: New washers seem fine. Longer answer is below.
>>
>> THey're still not breakproof, but they're a different plastic than the
>> early ones, and none of these has broken. I've got a bristly take on those
>> washers, probably not a popular one, but here it is--
>>
>> Plastic (of some sort) is an ideal material for a spacer/washer for this
>> use. The old cruddy plastic was good enough unless it was abused, and when
>> it failed the shifter still worked...and plastic failure posed to rider
>> risk. Any hardware store has flat, wave, and split washers that can slide
>> right in there and be a metal substitute and work well, but if one's thumbs
>> are as big as one's big toes and the rest of the fingers are proportional,
>> this rig can prove a little fussy, and it lacks the "key" that fits into
>> the rectangular hole. (Tho once in place, it's solid). But Plastic Washer
>> #2 has, so far after 4 years, proven to work 100 percent without breaking).
>>
>> This doesn't mean the first was defo. It was exactly the same as the
>> original washer in the SunTour shifter. It just means it's more
>> "America-proof."
>>
>> We sell those washers cheap in pairs, and it's those washers that'll go
>> in the Silver-2 shifters. So they could be bought as backups, but
>> considering their track record so far and the low-risk of a failure, buying
>> more than one set of replacement washers is just supplying your heirs with
>> tiny nothings to toss "later on."
>>
>> On a more personal level and if I can NOT speak for RBW for a second: I
>> LIKE stuff that can wear out or break (as long as it's not constant) and
>> that can be replaced and made good as new again. I did it for years with
>> Campagnolo parts, and ball bearings in general, now and then a cup or a
>> cone race.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, October 15, 2016 at 9:54:36 AM UTC-7, Conway Bennett wrote:
>>>
>>> G,
>>>
>>> Have you solved the wimpy plastic washer issue?  Maybe a thick hard
>>> rubber?  I remember there were two types of action figures growing up:
>>> brittle Gi joes who's thumbs broke off and these heartier more maliable
>>> super heroes with a similar but durable Kung fu grip.  I don't know why
>>> silvers 1s trigger this memory but that's where my mind goes.  In any case,
>>> I learned my lesson and stocked up as I have silver 1s on noodles and cycle
>>> thru them and chalk it up to regular maintenance.
>>>
>>> FW,
>>>
>>> CBB
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Silver 2 shifters

2016-10-17 Thread Bill Lindsay 
Grant

In the BLUG post, the sample/prototype looks like a white plastic.  Was 
that white plastic sample made by 3D printing?  Or was it an SLA(*)?  Or 
did some artisan carve something?  I know the actual shifters will be 
aluminum, and I think it's cast aluminum.  Is that right?

(*) SLA does not mean Symbionese Liberation Army in this context.  It's 
stereolithography-something.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Sunday, October 16, 2016 at 9:14:03 AM UTC-7, Grant @ Rivendell wrote:
>
> Short answer is: New washers seem fine. Longer answer is below.
>
> THey're still not breakproof, but they're a different plastic than the 
> early ones, and none of these has broken. I've got a bristly take on those 
> washers, probably not a popular one, but here it is--
>
> Plastic (of some sort) is an ideal material for a spacer/washer for this 
> use. The old cruddy plastic was good enough unless it was abused, and when 
> it failed the shifter still worked...and plastic failure posed to rider 
> risk. Any hardware store has flat, wave, and split washers that can slide 
> right in there and be a metal substitute and work well, but if one's thumbs 
> are as big as one's big toes and the rest of the fingers are proportional, 
> this rig can prove a little fussy, and it lacks the "key" that fits into 
> the rectangular hole. (Tho once in place, it's solid). But Plastic Washer 
> #2 has, so far after 4 years, proven to work 100 percent without breaking).
>
> This doesn't mean the first was defo. It was exactly the same as the 
> original washer in the SunTour shifter. It just means it's more 
> "America-proof."
>
> We sell those washers cheap in pairs, and it's those washers that'll go in 
> the Silver-2 shifters. So they could be bought as backups, but considering 
> their track record so far and the low-risk of a failure, buying more than 
> one set of replacement washers is just supplying your heirs with tiny 
> nothings to toss "later on." 
>
> On a more personal level and if I can NOT speak for RBW for a second: I 
> LIKE stuff that can wear out or break (as long as it's not constant) and 
> that can be replaced and made good as new again. I did it for years with 
> Campagnolo parts, and ball bearings in general, now and then a cup or a 
> cone race. 
>
>
>
> On Saturday, October 15, 2016 at 9:54:36 AM UTC-7, Conway Bennett wrote:
>>
>> G,
>>
>> Have you solved the wimpy plastic washer issue?  Maybe a thick hard 
>> rubber?  I remember there were two types of action figures growing up: 
>> brittle Gi joes who's thumbs broke off and these heartier more maliable 
>> super heroes with a similar but durable Kung fu grip.  I don't know why 
>> silvers 1s trigger this memory but that's where my mind goes.  In any case, 
>> I learned my lesson and stocked up as I have silver 1s on noodles and cycle 
>> thru them and chalk it up to regular maintenance.  
>>
>> FW,
>>
>> CBB
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Silver 2 shifters

2016-10-16 Thread Ray Varella 
One use that hasn't been mentioned, I use an early Suntour power ratchet 
thumbshifter for my drag brake on my tandem. 
I'll definitely be in for a set or two. 

Ray
Vallejo CA

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Re: [RBW] Silver 2 shifters

2016-10-16 Thread Reid 
Grant -- Thank you for the info. I'll keep an eye on the S2 progress and 
give them a try when available.

Reid

On Saturday, October 15, 2016 at 9:59:31 PM UTC-7, Grant @ Rivendell wrote:

> They'll be good replacements, yep. The ghost shifts--up in the mid and 
> upper range, it may take two clicks to lock the gear in. It works...but it 
> can be a challenge. I doubt I'll change my CLEMshifters, but they are a 
> transitional species, maybe.
>
> On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 9:20 PM, Reid 
> > wrote:
>
>> So can the S2s be used as a replacement for the stock shifters that came 
>> on the Clems? My wife has a Clementine that she just LOVES, but the stock 
>> shifters have always given lots of "ghost" shifts, as discussed on this 
>> list some time back. I would sure like to replace the shifters with 
>> something that would be mounted in the same place for easy shifting, but 
>> that would not have the problems.
>>
>> Reid
>>
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Re: [RBW] Silver 2 shifters

2016-10-16 Thread Grant @ Rivendell 
Short answer is: New washers seem fine. Longer answer is below.

THey're still not breakproof, but they're a different plastic than the 
early ones, and none of these has broken. I've got a bristly take on those 
washers, probably not a popular one, but here it is--

Plastic (of some sort) is an ideal material for a spacer/washer for this 
use. The old cruddy plastic was good enough unless it was abused, and when 
it failed the shifter still worked...and plastic failure posed to rider 
risk. Any hardware store has flat, wave, and split washers that can slide 
right in there and be a metal substitute and work well, but if one's thumbs 
are as big as one's big toes and the rest of the fingers are proportional, 
this rig can prove a little fussy, and it lacks the "key" that fits into 
the rectangular hole. (Tho once in place, it's solid). But Plastic Washer 
#2 has, so far after 4 years, proven to work 100 percent without breaking).

This doesn't mean the first was defo. It was exactly the same as the 
original washer in the SunTour shifter. It just means it's more 
"America-proof."

We sell those washers cheap in pairs, and it's those washers that'll go in 
the Silver-2 shifters. So they could be bought as backups, but considering 
their track record so far and the low-risk of a failure, buying more than 
one set of replacement washers is just supplying your heirs with tiny 
nothings to toss "later on." 

On a more personal level and if I can NOT speak for RBW for a second: I 
LIKE stuff that can wear out or break (as long as it's not constant) and 
that can be replaced and made good as new again. I did it for years with 
Campagnolo parts, and ball bearings in general, now and then a cup or a 
cone race. 



On Saturday, October 15, 2016 at 9:54:36 AM UTC-7, Conway Bennett wrote:
>
> G,
>
> Have you solved the wimpy plastic washer issue?  Maybe a thick hard 
> rubber?  I remember there were two types of action figures growing up: 
> brittle Gi joes who's thumbs broke off and these heartier more maliable 
> super heroes with a similar but durable Kung fu grip.  I don't know why 
> silvers 1s trigger this memory but that's where my mind goes.  In any case, 
> I learned my lesson and stocked up as I have silver 1s on noodles and cycle 
> thru them and chalk it up to regular maintenance.  
>
> FW,
>
> CBB
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Silver 2 shifters

2016-10-15 Thread Lungimsam 
I have really enjoyed my Silver bar end and also the Silver DT shifters. So 
elegant. So smooth shifting.

Looking forward to checking these out! 

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Re: [RBW] Silver 2 shifters

2016-10-15 Thread Grant Petersen 
They'll be good replacements, yep. The ghost shifts--up in the mid and
upper range, it may take two clicks to lock the gear in. It works...but it
can be a challenge. I doubt I'll change my CLEMshifters, but they are a
transitional species, maybe.

On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 9:20 PM, Reid  wrote:

> So can the S2s be used as a replacement for the stock shifters that came
> on the Clems? My wife has a Clementine that she just LOVES, but the stock
> shifters have always given lots of "ghost" shifts, as discussed on this
> list some time back. I would sure like to replace the shifters with
> something that would be mounted in the same place for easy shifting, but
> that would not have the problems.
>
> Reid
>
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Re: [RBW] Silver 2 shifters

2016-10-15 Thread Reid 
So can the S2s be used as a replacement for the stock shifters that came on 
the Clems? My wife has a Clementine that she just LOVES, but the stock 
shifters have always given lots of "ghost" shifts, as discussed on this 
list some time back. I would sure like to replace the shifters with 
something that would be mounted in the same place for easy shifting, but 
that would not have the problems.

Reid

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Re: [RBW] Silver 2 shifters

2016-10-15 Thread dougP 
Will the S2 be able to be mounted either conventionally up top on flat bars 
or on the inside as you've done lately?  Seems like the ratchet mech would 
allow more mounting freedom than say Shimano on Paul's thumbies.

I have an ancient pair of BarCons that have never been disassembled & still 
function well.  Glad you won that internal debate regarding user 
serviceability.  How many of us regret opening something up, only to have 
tiny bits go bouncing under the workbench?

dougP

On Saturday, October 15, 2016 at 9:26:34 AM UTC-7, Grant @ Rivendell wrote:
>
> The band mated with the chunk and limited it to 22.2 bars, which was fine 
> back then. It's fiddly to remove and remount (not t fiddly, but you 
> have to remove the lever and go at it with an 8mm socket). NewSilver2 has 
> some sort of curly flower thing going on 360-degrees, which lets you angle 
> the cable ideally for any orientation. 
> Not saying "perfectomundo" here---just saying we've gone about it slowly 
> and conscientiously and have rejected at least two "final" versions when we 
> found a way to either fix them or improve on something that didn't need an 
> actual fix.
>
> I debated internally (didn't leave my personal skull) whether or not to 
> make the door to the pawl and spring user serviceable, but in a flareup of 
> sanity that might sound disrespectbul, I said No. If or when the mech wears 
> out, sell one of your cats and get a new one, Bubba...and in the meantime, 
> the rivet will stop most people from digging into something that's best 
> left alone. 
>
> It's really a good feeling to see the enthusiasm for this shifter. It is 
> really, still, amazing to me that 
>
> (1) all shifters aren't like this, and
> (2) since they aren't, since it's such a push-button age when perfect 
> performance with no learning is the norm, that we can sell them at all!
>
> What a strange group you are. In a fantastic way!
>
> G
>
> On Saturday, October 15, 2016 at 1:53:26 AM UTC-7, joe b. wrote:
>>
>> So cool! Wish they had "the band." I'm sure the new clamp is 28% better, 
>> but holy cow was that hidden bolt band slick. Always seemed like the 
>> closest thing I owned to constructeur. I wonder if the deuce will have the 
>> same 3 point lever orientation option.
>>
>> Who cares, though, so happy they're back!
>>
>> Best,
>> joe
>> pdx or.
>>
>> On Oct 14, 2016 11:08 AM, "Bill Lindsay"  wrote:
>>
>>> The BLUG has a long write up and description of the Silver 2 shifters.  
>>> One big take home is the Silver 1 shifter mold is shot, so those will be 
>>> going away.  So, if you love Silver shifters, stock up now.  The Silver 2 
>>> looks like it'll be a way better thumb shifter, a somewhat better barcon 
>>> shifter, and an amusingly ironic downtube shifter.  Most importantly (to 
>>> me), is that if you want to embolden Rivendell Bicycle Works to keep 
>>> putting their money where their brains are, then reward them by buying a 
>>> pair or two of Silver 2's and put them into your personal inventory.  When 
>>> the need arises, get them from your stock.  If Riv gets a lot of early 
>>> adopters buying them, then they'll have the confidence and the money to 
>>> make the next part that you can't get anywhere else.  Grant tells you on 
>>> the BLUG how to get on an email list for updates on the Silver 2.  
>>>
>>> Bill habitual-early-adopter Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Silver 2 shifters

2016-10-15 Thread Conway Bennett 
G,

Have you solved the wimpy plastic washer issue?  Maybe a thick hard rubber?  I 
remember there were two types of action figures growing up: brittle Gi joes 
who's thumbs broke off and these heartier more maliable super heroes with a 
similar but durable Kung fu grip.  I don't know why silvers 1s trigger this 
memory but that's where my mind goes.  In any case, I learned my lesson and 
stocked up as I have silver 1s on noodles and cycle thru them and chalk it up 
to regular maintenance.  

FW,

CBB

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Re: [RBW] Silver 2 shifters

2016-10-15 Thread Grant @ Rivendell 
The band mated with the chunk and limited it to 22.2 bars, which was fine 
back then. It's fiddly to remove and remount (not t fiddly, but you 
have to remove the lever and go at it with an 8mm socket). NewSilver2 has 
some sort of curly flower thing going on 360-degrees, which lets you angle 
the cable ideally for any orientation. 
Not saying "perfectomundo" here---just saying we've gone about it slowly 
and conscientiously and have rejected at least two "final" versions when we 
found a way to either fix them or improve on something that didn't need an 
actual fix.

I debated internally (didn't leave my personal skull) whether or not to 
make the door to the pawl and spring user serviceable, but in a flareup of 
sanity that might sound disrespectbul, I said No. If or when the mech wears 
out, sell one of your cats and get a new one, Bubba...and in the meantime, 
the rivet will stop most people from digging into something that's best 
left alone. 

It's really a good feeling to see the enthusiasm for this shifter. It is 
really, still, amazing to me that 

(1) all shifters aren't like this, and
(2) since they aren't, since it's such a push-button age when perfect 
performance with no learning is the norm, that we can sell them at all!

What a strange group you are. In a fantastic way!

G

On Saturday, October 15, 2016 at 1:53:26 AM UTC-7, joe b. wrote:
>
> So cool! Wish they had "the band." I'm sure the new clamp is 28% better, 
> but holy cow was that hidden bolt band slick. Always seemed like the 
> closest thing I owned to constructeur. I wonder if the deuce will have the 
> same 3 point lever orientation option.
>
> Who cares, though, so happy they're back!
>
> Best,
> joe
> pdx or.
>
> On Oct 14, 2016 11:08 AM, "Bill Lindsay" > 
> wrote:
>
>> The BLUG has a long write up and description of the Silver 2 shifters.  
>> One big take home is the Silver 1 shifter mold is shot, so those will be 
>> going away.  So, if you love Silver shifters, stock up now.  The Silver 2 
>> looks like it'll be a way better thumb shifter, a somewhat better barcon 
>> shifter, and an amusingly ironic downtube shifter.  Most importantly (to 
>> me), is that if you want to embolden Rivendell Bicycle Works to keep 
>> putting their money where their brains are, then reward them by buying a 
>> pair or two of Silver 2's and put them into your personal inventory.  When 
>> the need arises, get them from your stock.  If Riv gets a lot of early 
>> adopters buying them, then they'll have the confidence and the money to 
>> make the next part that you can't get anywhere else.  Grant tells you on 
>> the BLUG how to get on an email list for updates on the Silver 2.  
>>
>> Bill habitual-early-adopter Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
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Re: [RBW] Silver 2 shifters

2016-10-15 Thread Joe Broach 
So cool! Wish they had "the band." I'm sure the new clamp is 28% better,
but holy cow was that hidden bolt band slick. Always seemed like the
closest thing I owned to constructeur. I wonder if the deuce will have the
same 3 point lever orientation option.

Who cares, though, so happy they're back!

Best,
joe
pdx or.

On Oct 14, 2016 11:08 AM, "Bill Lindsay"  wrote:

> The BLUG has a long write up and description of the Silver 2 shifters.
> One big take home is the Silver 1 shifter mold is shot, so those will be
> going away.  So, if you love Silver shifters, stock up now.  The Silver 2
> looks like it'll be a way better thumb shifter, a somewhat better barcon
> shifter, and an amusingly ironic downtube shifter.  Most importantly (to
> me), is that if you want to embolden Rivendell Bicycle Works to keep
> putting their money where their brains are, then reward them by buying a
> pair or two of Silver 2's and put them into your personal inventory.  When
> the need arises, get them from your stock.  If Riv gets a lot of early
> adopters buying them, then they'll have the confidence and the money to
> make the next part that you can't get anywhere else.  Grant tells you on
> the BLUG how to get on an email list for updates on the Silver 2.
>
> Bill habitual-early-adopter Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
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