Re: [RBW] Suspect CL Atlantis posting

2012-11-14 Thread Garth 

YES !!!

Someone got their bike back ... GREAT !   This is what matters most to 
me.

For reference I did have a bike stolen once ... and someone "caught".  
Did I feel an ounce of vengeance or punishment towards the person ?  No .  
What good does it do me to harbor such feelings of MY heart and mind ?  It 
only hurts ME.  Easier said than done ?  Not really . it's as easy or 
difficult as you choose it to be.  I could just as easily say it's easy to 
get up in the feeling of being "done wrong" by someone  easy to want 
revenge easy to want them to "pay" and be punished .  Or is it ?  Your 
feelings within yourself always reveal that punishment of another hurts 
yourself more .  Who really wants to hurt anymore ?   Each to ask 
ourselves. or not ...





On Wednesday, November 14, 2012 3:40:36 PM UTC-5, Jim Thill - Hiawatha 
Cyclery wrote:
>
> C'mon now! Wild speculation is fun, but none of us know the whole story 
> about the CL seller, what evidence is against him, his motives, his 
> employment situation, his probable court/incarceration costs (if any), etc. 
> I fear that this is the kind of talk that devolves quickly into a battle of 
> inane political ideology, and broad generalizations, insulting stereotypes, 
> coded innuendo, etc. Personally, I've gotten my fill of that stuff recently.
>
> Aside from all that, what a GREAT story!
>
>
> On Wednesday, November 14, 2012 10:11:51 AM UTC-6, Ray Shine wrote:
>>
>> I doubt that. He's probably selling stolen goods because he is not 
>> employed, skilled, or otherwise an income earner. That $10K + will be paid 
>> by taxpayers for his Public Defender, probation officer, and the mostly 
>> needless paperwork that will follow his slap-on-the-hands sentence. At 
>> least the bike has been returned.
>>
>> ------------------
>> *From:* Ron Mc 
>> *To:* [email protected]
>> *Sent:* Wed, November 14, 2012 8:02:48 AM
>> *Subject:* Re: [RBW] Suspect CL Atlantis posting
>>
>> He doesn't need to.  That theft is going to cost the guy at least 
>> $10,000, if not $20,000
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 14, 2012 9:34:15 AM UTC-6, Montclair BobbyB wrote:
>>>
>>> While it is said the noblest vengeance is to forgive, I hope Max got at 
>>> least one good poke at the slimeball who stole his bike. :)
>>> This story made my day!!
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Suspect CL Atlantis posting

2012-11-14 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
C'mon now! Wild speculation is fun, but none of us know the whole story 
about the CL seller, what evidence is against him, his motives, his 
employment situation, his probable court/incarceration costs (if any), etc. 
I fear that this is the kind of talk that devolves quickly into a battle of 
inane political ideology, and broad generalizations, insulting stereotypes, 
coded innuendo, etc. Personally, I've gotten my fill of that stuff recently.

Aside from all that, what a GREAT story!


On Wednesday, November 14, 2012 10:11:51 AM UTC-6, Ray Shine wrote:
>
> I doubt that. He's probably selling stolen goods because he is not 
> employed, skilled, or otherwise an income earner. That $10K + will be paid 
> by taxpayers for his Public Defender, probation officer, and the mostly 
> needless paperwork that will follow his slap-on-the-hands sentence. At 
> least the bike has been returned.
>
> --
> *From:* Ron Mc >
> *To:* [email protected] 
> *Sent:* Wed, November 14, 2012 8:02:48 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [RBW] Suspect CL Atlantis posting
>
> He doesn't need to.  That theft is going to cost the guy at least $10,000, 
> if not $20,000
>
> On Wednesday, November 14, 2012 9:34:15 AM UTC-6, Montclair BobbyB wrote:
>>
>> While it is said the noblest vengeance is to forgive, I hope Max got at 
>> least one good poke at the slimeball who stole his bike. :)
>> This story made my day!!
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Suspect CL Atlantis posting

2012-11-14 Thread Ray Shine 
I doubt that. He's probably selling stolen goods because he is not employed, 
skilled, or otherwise an income earner. That $10K + will be paid by taxpayers 
for his Public Defender, probation officer, and the mostly needless paperwork 
that will follow his slap-on-the-hands sentence. At least the bike has been 
returned.





From: Ron Mc 
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wed, November 14, 2012 8:02:48 AM
Subject: Re: [RBW] Suspect CL Atlantis posting

He doesn't need to.  That theft is going to cost the guy at least $10,000, if 
not $20,000

On Wednesday, November 14, 2012 9:34:15 AM UTC-6, Montclair BobbyB wrote:
While it is said the noblest vengeance is to forgive, I hope Max got at least 
one good poke at the slimeball who stole his bike. :)
>This story made my day!!
>
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Suspect CL Atlantis posting

2012-11-14 Thread Ron Mc 
He doesn't need to.  That theft is going to cost the guy at least $10,000, 
if not $20,000

On Wednesday, November 14, 2012 9:34:15 AM UTC-6, Montclair BobbyB wrote:
>
> While it is said the noblest vengeance is to forgive, I hope Max got at 
> least one good poke at the slimeball who stole his bike. :)
> This story made my day!!
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Suspect CL Atlantis posting

2012-11-14 Thread Montclair BobbyB 
While it is said the noblest vengeance is to forgive, I hope Max got at 
least one good poke at the slimeball who stole his bike. :)
This story made my day!!



On Tuesday, November 13, 2012 7:47:22 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Ah..it's Max's. His replies are bouncing so he asked me to forward:
>  
> Hey folks, thanks for your sharp eyes and good memory. 
>>
>>
>> I noticed this ad this morning (I have had a script scraping craigslist 
>> and ebay every half hour for the last 14 months). Another craigslist user, 
>> who remembered my lost-bike posting and had already contacted the seller, 
>> sent me a photo that confirmed it was my bike. I jumped into a zipcar to 
>> get myself across the Bay and organized a sting with the Alameda Police 
>> Department. The bicycle is now in my possession, 14 months minus one day 
>> since it was stolen. Alameda PD took some time to get rolling, but they 
>> were diligent and courteous. 
>
> As always, the Riv folks demonstrated top-notch customer service. The 
>> serial number I had on record differed from the one on the frame by one 
>> digit (a recording error on my part), and they stood ready to help prove my 
>> ownership. (In the end it wasn't necessary, because there was sufficient 
>> other evidence.) 
>
> Well, this is not the day I expected when I got out of bed this morning!
>>
>> Max 
>>
>  
>
> On Tuesday, November 13, 2012 4:45:06 PM UTC-8, Jim M. wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 4:42 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote: 
>> > Fair for a used Atlantis frame, I mean. The seller compares his price 
>> to a 
>> > new frame price. 
>>
>> I think the seller is comparing his price to this $2000 Atlantis: 
>> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/scz/bik/3395860571.html 
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Suspect CL Atlantis posting

2012-11-13 Thread Peter Morgano 
This re-affirms my faith in Karma, seriously

On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 7:50 PM, William  wrote:

> Ha!  Holy crap what a great thing for anybody to get their stolen bike
> returned to them.  Woot!
>
>
> On Tuesday, November 13, 2012 4:47:22 PM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> Ah..it's Max's. His replies are bouncing so he asked me to forward:
>>
>> Hey folks, thanks for your sharp eyes and good memory.
>>>
>>>
>>> I noticed this ad this morning (I have had a script scraping craigslist
>>> and ebay every half hour for the last 14 months). Another craigslist user,
>>> who remembered my lost-bike posting and had already contacted the seller,
>>> sent me a photo that confirmed it was my bike. I jumped into a zipcar to
>>> get myself across the Bay and organized a sting with the Alameda Police
>>> Department. The bicycle is now in my possession, 14 months minus one day
>>> since it was stolen. Alameda PD took some time to get rolling, but they
>>> were diligent and courteous.
>>
>> As always, the Riv folks demonstrated top-notch customer service. The
>>> serial number I had on record differed from the one on the frame by one
>>> digit (a recording error on my part), and they stood ready to help prove my
>>> ownership. (In the end it wasn't necessary, because there was sufficient
>>> other evidence.)
>>
>> Well, this is not the day I expected when I got out of bed this morning!
>>>
>>> Max
>>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 13, 2012 4:45:06 PM UTC-8, Jim M. wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 4:42 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>> > Fair for a used Atlantis frame, I mean. The seller compares his price
>>> to a
>>> > new frame price.
>>>
>>> I think the seller is comparing his price to this $2000 Atlantis:
>>> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/**scz/bik/3395860571.html
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Suspect CL Atlantis posting

2012-11-13 Thread William 
Ha!  Holy crap what a great thing for anybody to get their stolen bike 
returned to them.  Woot!

On Tuesday, November 13, 2012 4:47:22 PM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Ah..it's Max's. His replies are bouncing so he asked me to forward:
>  
> Hey folks, thanks for your sharp eyes and good memory. 
>>
>>
>> I noticed this ad this morning (I have had a script scraping craigslist 
>> and ebay every half hour for the last 14 months). Another craigslist user, 
>> who remembered my lost-bike posting and had already contacted the seller, 
>> sent me a photo that confirmed it was my bike. I jumped into a zipcar to 
>> get myself across the Bay and organized a sting with the Alameda Police 
>> Department. The bicycle is now in my possession, 14 months minus one day 
>> since it was stolen. Alameda PD took some time to get rolling, but they 
>> were diligent and courteous. 
>
> As always, the Riv folks demonstrated top-notch customer service. The 
>> serial number I had on record differed from the one on the frame by one 
>> digit (a recording error on my part), and they stood ready to help prove my 
>> ownership. (In the end it wasn't necessary, because there was sufficient 
>> other evidence.) 
>
> Well, this is not the day I expected when I got out of bed this morning!
>>
>> Max 
>>
>  
>
> On Tuesday, November 13, 2012 4:45:06 PM UTC-8, Jim M. wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 4:42 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote: 
>> > Fair for a used Atlantis frame, I mean. The seller compares his price 
>> to a 
>> > new frame price. 
>>
>> I think the seller is comparing his price to this $2000 Atlantis: 
>> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/scz/bik/3395860571.html 
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Suspect CL Atlantis posting

2012-11-13 Thread Joe Bernard 
Ah..it's Max's. His replies are bouncing so he asked me to forward:
 
Hey folks, thanks for your sharp eyes and good memory. 
>
>
> I noticed this ad this morning (I have had a script scraping craigslist 
> and ebay every half hour for the last 14 months). Another craigslist user, 
> who remembered my lost-bike posting and had already contacted the seller, 
> sent me a photo that confirmed it was my bike. I jumped into a zipcar to 
> get myself across the Bay and organized a sting with the Alameda Police 
> Department. The bicycle is now in my possession, 14 months minus one day 
> since it was stolen. Alameda PD took some time to get rolling, but they 
> were diligent and courteous. 

As always, the Riv folks demonstrated top-notch customer service. The 
> serial number I had on record differed from the one on the frame by one 
> digit (a recording error on my part), and they stood ready to help prove my 
> ownership. (In the end it wasn't necessary, because there was sufficient 
> other evidence.) 

Well, this is not the day I expected when I got out of bed this morning!
>
> Max 
>
 

On Tuesday, November 13, 2012 4:45:06 PM UTC-8, Jim M. wrote:

> On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 4:42 PM, Joe Bernard > 
> wrote: 
> > Fair for a used Atlantis frame, I mean. The seller compares his price to 
> a 
> > new frame price. 
>
> I think the seller is comparing his price to this $2000 Atlantis: 
> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/scz/bik/3395860571.html 
>

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Re: [RBW] Suspect CL Atlantis posting

2012-11-13 Thread Jim Mather 
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 4:42 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> Fair for a used Atlantis frame, I mean. The seller compares his price to a
> new frame price.

I think the seller is comparing his price to this $2000 Atlantis:
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/scz/bik/3395860571.html

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Re: [RBW] Suspect CL Atlantis posting

2012-11-13 Thread Jim Mather 
$800 for an Atlantis "ready to ride" seems quite a bargain to me. I
don't know Max but if he has a stolen Atlantis, I hope some one
forwarded this to him.

jim m
wc ca

On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 4:41 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> Usually suspicious Riv ads misspell "Rivendell", and don't include a phone
> number. The price is fair for a used Atlantis. I don't see anything shifty
> here.
>
> Joe Bernard
> Vallejo, CA.
>
> On Tuesday, November 13, 2012 3:53:26 PM UTC-8, Elton Pope-Lance wrote:
>>
>> Maybe it's Max's Poletto's?
>>
>> Elton Pope-Lance
>> Natick, MA
>>
>>
>>
>> On Nov 13, 2012, at 5:36 PM, bingomck wrote:
>>
>> Seems too good to be true. Strange description, even beyond caps. Anyone
>> missing an Atlantis?
>>
>> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/bik/3406956888.html
>>
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Re: [RBW] Suspect CL Atlantis posting

2012-11-13 Thread Joe Bernard 
Fair for a used Atlantis frame, I mean. The seller compares his price to a 
new frame price.

On Tuesday, November 13, 2012 4:41:23 PM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote:

> Usually suspicious Riv ads misspell "Rivendell", and don't include a phone 
> number. The price is fair for a used Atlantis. I don't see anything shifty 
> here.
>  
> Joe Bernard
> Vallejo, CA.
>
> On Tuesday, November 13, 2012 3:53:26 PM UTC-8, Elton Pope-Lance wrote:
>
>> Maybe it's Max's Poletto's?
>>
>> Elton Pope-Lance
>> Natick, MA
>>
>>
>>  
>> On Nov 13, 2012, at 5:36 PM, bingomck wrote:
>>
>> Seems too good to be true. Strange description, even beyond caps. Anyone 
>> missing an Atlantis? 
>>
>> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/bik/3406956888.html
>>
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Re: [RBW] Suspect CL Atlantis posting

2012-11-13 Thread Joe Bernard 
Usually suspicious Riv ads misspell "Rivendell", and don't include a phone 
number. The price is fair for a used Atlantis. I don't see anything shifty 
here.
 
Joe Bernard
Vallejo, CA.

On Tuesday, November 13, 2012 3:53:26 PM UTC-8, Elton Pope-Lance wrote:

> Maybe it's Max's Poletto's?
>
> Elton Pope-Lance
> Natick, MA
>
>
>  
> On Nov 13, 2012, at 5:36 PM, bingomck wrote:
>
> Seems too good to be true. Strange description, even beyond caps. Anyone 
> missing an Atlantis? 
>
> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/bik/3406956888.html
>
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Re: [RBW] Suspect CL Atlantis posting

2012-11-13 Thread Elton Pope-Lance 
Maybe it's Max's Poletto's?

Elton Pope-Lance
Natick, MA



On Nov 13, 2012, at 5:36 PM, bingomck wrote:

> Seems too good to be true. Strange description, even beyond caps. Anyone 
> missing an Atlantis? 
> 
> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/bik/3406956888.html
> 
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