Re: [RBW] Ultegra Bar End Question/Conundrum

2016-10-25 Thread Bob K. 
Thanks, Bill. I'll give this a look today, too. I believe I have it set up 
correctly now, but it doesn't hurt to check.

Bob K. in Baltimore

On Tuesday, October 25, 2016 at 12:45:40 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>
> 
> There is only one correct position for the castle washer, as Tim described 
> it.  That castle washer has a cylindrical raised section in the middle and 
> off of that is a single rectangular keyway.  The correct orientation of 
> htat washer has that rectangular keyway pointing DOWN towards the ground 
> and slightly towards the BACK of the bicycle.  I've photographed one of my 
> shifters with the castle washer oriented correctly.  In this orientation, 
> there is a detent or click when the shifter is all the way down, towards 
> the granny chainring.  If you have that rectangular lobe pointing in any of 
> the other three directions, you have it set up wrong.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, October 25, 2016 at 8:34:39 AM UTC-7, Bob K. wrote:
>>
>> I was able to rotate the spacer and the shifter now has full range of 
>> motion. Thanks, Tim! 
>>
>> I'm still getting a sort of "click" stop in the middle position. My older 
>> Ultegra bar ends don't have this. I tried messing around with the spacer 
>> some more and it didn't go away, but in the end, it doesn't really matter, 
>> and if I get the right tension on the FD cable, I can set it so the stop 
>> sort of "indexes" on the middle ring, which is almost always what I use. 
>> Maybe others already do this.
>>
>> Anyway, thanks again for the tips.
>>
>> Bob K. in Baltimore
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Ultegra Bar End Question/Conundrum

2016-10-25 Thread Bob K. 
Tim, 

Good eye! I've done two Daytrotter sessions now with my band, Small Sur. 
One was back in 2009, and then we did another in 2011. The Daytrotter folks 
were super kind and accommodating both times--although unfortunately Sean 
wasn't around either time we were there. I hope to swing through Rock 
Island and do another session one of these years.

I'll consider a different left/front shifter. My love of symmetry might 
hold me back from going there, but it's something to think about, 
especially if I don't end up liking the middle stop.

Bob K. in Baltimore

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Re: [RBW] Ultegra Bar End Question/Conundrum

2016-10-25 Thread Bob K. 
Tim, 

Good eye! I've done two Daytrotter sessions now with my band, Small Sur. 
One was back in 2009, and then we did another in 2011. The Daytrotter folks 
were super kind and accommodating both times--although unfortunately Sean 
wasn't around either time we were there. I hope to swing through Rock 
Island and do another session one of these years.

I'll consider a different left/front shifter. My love of symmetry might 
hold me back from going there, but it's something to think about, 
especially if I don't end up liking the middle stop.

Bob K. in Baltimore


On Tuesday, October 25, 2016 at 11:55:46 AM UTC-4, Tim Gavin wrote:
>
> Glad it worked out for you!
>
> Yeah, Shimano bar-ends seem to have a stop in the middle.  I don't know 
> why.  They're not indexed, but the stop does seem to correspond to the 
> center ring.
>
> For this and other reasons, I prefer to use a Silver 1 shifter for the 
> left/front bar-end, and a Shimano indexed 10-speed shifter for the 
> right/rear bar-end.  I find that the Silver front shifter moves a bit more 
> cable for the same amount of lever throw, compared to the Shimano front 
> bar-end.  So, the Silver shifter is at the 8:00 position in the big ring, 
> where the Shimano will be at 9:30.  
>
>
> Bob, when did you do a Daytrotter session?  I'm a huge fan (they're 1 hr 
> away from me) and Sean and Johnny are now friends of mine.
>
> Cheers,
> Tim
>
> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 10:34 AM, Bob K. > 
> wrote:
>
>> I was able to rotate the spacer and the shifter now has full range of 
>> motion. Thanks, Tim! 
>>
>> I'm still getting a sort of "click" stop in the middle position. My older 
>> Ultegra bar ends don't have this. I tried messing around with the spacer 
>> some more and it didn't go away, but in the end, it doesn't really matter, 
>> and if I get the right tension on the FD cable, I can set it so the stop 
>> sort of "indexes" on the middle ring, which is almost always what I use. 
>> Maybe others already do this.
>>
>> Anyway, thanks again for the tips.
>>
>> Bob K. in Baltimore
>>
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Re: [RBW] Ultegra Bar End Question/Conundrum

2016-10-25 Thread Bill Lindsay 



There is only one correct position for the castle washer, as Tim described 
it.  That castle washer has a cylindrical raised section in the middle and 
off of that is a single rectangular keyway.  The correct orientation of 
htat washer has that rectangular keyway pointing DOWN towards the ground 
and slightly towards the BACK of the bicycle.  I've photographed one of my 
shifters with the castle washer oriented correctly.  In this orientation, 
there is a detent or click when the shifter is all the way down, towards 
the granny chainring.  If you have that rectangular lobe pointing in any of 
the other three directions, you have it set up wrong.

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA



On Tuesday, October 25, 2016 at 8:34:39 AM UTC-7, Bob K. wrote:
>
> I was able to rotate the spacer and the shifter now has full range of 
> motion. Thanks, Tim! 
>
> I'm still getting a sort of "click" stop in the middle position. My older 
> Ultegra bar ends don't have this. I tried messing around with the spacer 
> some more and it didn't go away, but in the end, it doesn't really matter, 
> and if I get the right tension on the FD cable, I can set it so the stop 
> sort of "indexes" on the middle ring, which is almost always what I use. 
> Maybe others already do this.
>
> Anyway, thanks again for the tips.
>
> Bob K. in Baltimore
>

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Re: [RBW] Ultegra Bar End Question/Conundrum

2016-10-25 Thread Tim Gavin 
Glad it worked out for you!

Yeah, Shimano bar-ends seem to have a stop in the middle.  I don't know
why.  They're not indexed, but the stop does seem to correspond to the
center ring.

For this and other reasons, I prefer to use a Silver 1 shifter for the
left/front bar-end, and a Shimano indexed 10-speed shifter for the
right/rear bar-end.  I find that the Silver front shifter moves a bit more
cable for the same amount of lever throw, compared to the Shimano front
bar-end.  So, the Silver shifter is at the 8:00 position in the big ring,
where the Shimano will be at 9:30.


Bob, when did you do a Daytrotter session?  I'm a huge fan (they're 1 hr
away from me) and Sean and Johnny are now friends of mine.

Cheers,
Tim

On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 10:34 AM, Bob K.  wrote:

> I was able to rotate the spacer and the shifter now has full range of
> motion. Thanks, Tim!
>
> I'm still getting a sort of "click" stop in the middle position. My older
> Ultegra bar ends don't have this. I tried messing around with the spacer
> some more and it didn't go away, but in the end, it doesn't really matter,
> and if I get the right tension on the FD cable, I can set it so the stop
> sort of "indexes" on the middle ring, which is almost always what I use.
> Maybe others already do this.
>
> Anyway, thanks again for the tips.
>
> Bob K. in Baltimore
>
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Re: [RBW] Ultegra Bar End Question/Conundrum

2016-10-25 Thread Bob K. 
I was able to rotate the spacer and the shifter now has full range of 
motion. Thanks, Tim! 

I'm still getting a sort of "click" stop in the middle position. My older 
Ultegra bar ends don't have this. I tried messing around with the spacer 
some more and it didn't go away, but in the end, it doesn't really matter, 
and if I get the right tension on the FD cable, I can set it so the stop 
sort of "indexes" on the middle ring, which is almost always what I use. 
Maybe others already do this.

Anyway, thanks again for the tips.

Bob K. in Baltimore

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Re: [RBW] Ultegra Bar End Question/Conundrum

2016-10-24 Thread Bob K. 
Thanks, Tim! I'll give that a shot and report back.

Bob

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Re: [RBW] Ultegra Bar End Question/Conundrum

2016-10-24 Thread Tim Gavin 
Bob-

Thanks for eliminating my suggestions.


If you're encountering a "hard stop" about halfway through the lever
travel, it sounds like you did assemble the shifter wrong, specifically the
chrome "castle" spacer between the pod and the lever.

Try rotating that spacer 90 degrees, and re-assembling.  There is a small,
round "bump" at the bottom of the square on the pod, and the chrome castle
spacer fits on it specifically.  But, it's kinda hard to determine by
looking at the back of the castle spacer.

On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 9:52 AM, Bob K.  wrote:

> Thanks, Tim.
>
> 1. I haven't adjusted the limit screws at all and the previous shifters
> pulled plenty of cable for my xd2 triple, so I don't think this is the
> problem.
> 2. I noticed "hard stop" of the shifter around the middle position prior
> to tensioning the FD cable, so I don't think this is it, either.
> 3. The FD is a Campy clamp-on that came on my Sam when it was built by Riv
> in '09. I don't know the model.
>
> The "hard stop" that I'm noticing in the middle position of the shifter
> makes me think I somehow reassembled it poorly when I went to re-attach it
> to the pod, but I took it apart once and tried to fix it and couldn't
> figure it out. Dang.
>
> Bob
>
> On Monday, October 24, 2016 at 10:44:12 AM UTC-4, Tim Gavin wrote:
>>
>> Bob-
>>
>> There is only one version of the Shimano bar-end shifters, and it has
>> enough cable pull for triples.
>>
>> 1) The cable pull may be limited by the limit screws on the front
>> derailleur.
>> 2) It may be that you tensioned the FD cable while the shifter was not in
>> the full-down position.
>> 3) You may be using a MTB FD with your bar-ends; MTB FDs have a different
>> cable pull (though usually bar-ends are flexible enough to work with them).
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 9:30 AM, Bob K.  wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Folks:
>>>
>>> I'm a pretty inexperienced wrench compared to most folks here, so I
>>> thought I would float this question to the group. If the solution is a
>>> simple one, please take it easy on me!
>>>
>>> I bought some new Ultegra bar ends off a list-member several months back
>>> with the intention of replacing the older ones I've had on my Sam since
>>> '09. I swapped my Albatross setup (and older shifters) over to my wife's
>>> Trek 613 a couple of weeks ago, and just this weekend got around to
>>> re-assembling my Sam with a new Albastache cockpit. I pulled the Ultegra
>>> shifters out of my bin, installed them on the bars, and ran cables. Much to
>>> my chagrin, when testing things out, I realized that the left-hand (front)
>>> shifter only has enough pull to swap between the granny and middle ring on
>>> my Sugino xd2 crankset. It comes to a hard stop and won't pull any more
>>> cable. My questions for you are:
>>>
>>> Is there a version of this shifter that only works for two rings up
>>> front?
>>>
>>> Or did I screw up something on install?
>>>
>>> Thanks for any help!
>>>
>>> Bob K. in Baltimore
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Ultegra Bar End Question/Conundrum

2016-10-24 Thread Bob K. 
Thanks, Tim.

1. I haven't adjusted the limit screws at all and the previous shifters 
pulled plenty of cable for my xd2 triple, so I don't think this is the 
problem.
2. I noticed "hard stop" of the shifter around the middle position prior to 
tensioning the FD cable, so I don't think this is it, either.
3. The FD is a Campy clamp-on that came on my Sam when it was built by Riv 
in '09. I don't know the model.

The "hard stop" that I'm noticing in the middle position of the shifter 
makes me think I somehow reassembled it poorly when I went to re-attach it 
to the pod, but I took it apart once and tried to fix it and couldn't 
figure it out. Dang.

Bob

On Monday, October 24, 2016 at 10:44:12 AM UTC-4, Tim Gavin wrote:
>
> Bob-
>
> There is only one version of the Shimano bar-end shifters, and it has 
> enough cable pull for triples.
>
> 1) The cable pull may be limited by the limit screws on the front 
> derailleur.
> 2) It may be that you tensioned the FD cable while the shifter was not in 
> the full-down position.
> 3) You may be using a MTB FD with your bar-ends; MTB FDs have a different 
> cable pull (though usually bar-ends are flexible enough to work with them).
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 9:30 AM, Bob K. > 
> wrote:
>
>> Hey Folks:
>>
>> I'm a pretty inexperienced wrench compared to most folks here, so I 
>> thought I would float this question to the group. If the solution is a 
>> simple one, please take it easy on me!
>>
>> I bought some new Ultegra bar ends off a list-member several months back 
>> with the intention of replacing the older ones I've had on my Sam since 
>> '09. I swapped my Albatross setup (and older shifters) over to my wife's 
>> Trek 613 a couple of weeks ago, and just this weekend got around to 
>> re-assembling my Sam with a new Albastache cockpit. I pulled the Ultegra 
>> shifters out of my bin, installed them on the bars, and ran cables. Much to 
>> my chagrin, when testing things out, I realized that the left-hand (front) 
>> shifter only has enough pull to swap between the granny and middle ring on 
>> my Sugino xd2 crankset. It comes to a hard stop and won't pull any more 
>> cable. My questions for you are:
>>
>> Is there a version of this shifter that only works for two rings up 
>> front? 
>>
>> Or did I screw up something on install?
>>
>> Thanks for any help!
>>
>> Bob K. in Baltimore
>>
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Re: [RBW] Ultegra Bar End Question/Conundrum

2016-10-24 Thread Tim Gavin 
Bob-

There is only one version of the Shimano bar-end shifters, and it has
enough cable pull for triples.

1) The cable pull may be limited by the limit screws on the front
derailleur.
2) It may be that you tensioned the FD cable while the shifter was not in
the full-down position.
3) You may be using a MTB FD with your bar-ends; MTB FDs have a different
cable pull (though usually bar-ends are flexible enough to work with them).



On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 9:30 AM, Bob K.  wrote:

> Hey Folks:
>
> I'm a pretty inexperienced wrench compared to most folks here, so I
> thought I would float this question to the group. If the solution is a
> simple one, please take it easy on me!
>
> I bought some new Ultegra bar ends off a list-member several months back
> with the intention of replacing the older ones I've had on my Sam since
> '09. I swapped my Albatross setup (and older shifters) over to my wife's
> Trek 613 a couple of weeks ago, and just this weekend got around to
> re-assembling my Sam with a new Albastache cockpit. I pulled the Ultegra
> shifters out of my bin, installed them on the bars, and ran cables. Much to
> my chagrin, when testing things out, I realized that the left-hand (front)
> shifter only has enough pull to swap between the granny and middle ring on
> my Sugino xd2 crankset. It comes to a hard stop and won't pull any more
> cable. My questions for you are:
>
> Is there a version of this shifter that only works for two rings up front?
>
> Or did I screw up something on install?
>
> Thanks for any help!
>
> Bob K. in Baltimore
>
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