Re: [RBW] Would it be against the law - a tigged Rivendell?
>From past remarks I expect that this will never fly, but in my own opinion, the essential qualities of a Riv are the frame design and, thus, fit and handling, and these are perfectly compatible with a cheaper, tigg'd frame for, say, the commuter markets. On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 2:38 PM, eflayer wrote: > I know it goes against the grain of everything we stand for here. > Actually, what do we stand for here? But don't you think Riv/Grant > could do a really really good job on a tigged frameset. No need to > sully the Riv name or brand, but maybe a Toyota type thing...and the > lugged Rivs could be the Lexuses. There are currently a lot of > entries in the tigged Riv-like bike set. But somehow I think Grant's > attention to color, geometry, style could equal the best of the lot. > > Just thing a beautifully tigged Riv bike at maybe $650? > > He could call it the Tiggua brand. > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected] > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > > -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at [email protected] (505) 227-0523 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Would it be against the law - a tigged Rivendell?
on 12/10/09 1:38 PM, eflayer at [email protected] wrote: > I know it goes against the grain of everything we stand for here. > Actually, what do we stand for here? But don't you think Riv/Grant > could do a really really good job on a tigged frameset. No need to > sully the Riv name or brand, but maybe a Toyota type thing...and the > lugged Rivs could be the Lexuses. There are currently a lot of > entries in the tigged Riv-like bike set. But somehow I think Grant's > attention to color, geometry, style could equal the best of the lot. One of the things I think Rivendell does stand for is focusing on what you do well. IMO, therein lies its strength and validity. That, in and of itself, sets it apart from most companies these days. As companies in general grow and expand, they tend to dilute what it is that made them special. There are too many examples to drag out here, but LL Bean, Eddie Bauer, CC Filson have all made choices and come under pressures related to those choices. Retail/manufacturer general history is well outside the scope of this group, to be sure, but diversification often becomes its own end. Rivendell methodically rethinks what they offer, and finds ways to create bicycles which have been really missing in the scheme of things. They do that by clearly defining the borders of what they offer. Borders are not necessarily limits. Rivendell has chosen to work deeply in a specific area, not topically in several. This gets to some deeper ideas of aestethics in general, and one of the things which attracted me to Rivendell in the beginning - the idea that they have set some real limits in their design tents - lugged, steel. When GP mentioned, some many readers ago, that they might consider doing a specific model non-lugged, my reaction was really "why"? I'm pretty sure they asked themselves the same question, and they never pursued that thread - in fact, they strengthened their comment in word and deed to the idea of lugged steel. Grant has said repeatedly that he loves lugs - likes looking at them, designing them, building bikes around them. He's made a successful company which employs a good number of people and lets him design and build beautiful, practical, adaptable lugged steel art. What good would come from diluting that focus? - Jim -- -- Jim Edgar [email protected] Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Send In Your Photos! - Here's how: http://www.cyclofiend.com/guidelines "That which is overdesigned, too highly specific, anticipates outcome; the anticipation of outcome guarantees, if not failure, the absence of grace." William Gibson - "All Tomorrow's Parties" -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Would it be against the law - a tigged Rivendell?
Hey Eddie,
I thought this would be a great idea years ago. Waterford could TIG them
for sure, but GP has really hung his hat on lugged steel. Me personally, I
would probably pick USA TIG'ed steel over Taiwan lugs for the same price,
assuming the designs were as similar as possible. We may well be a tiny
minority on that though and it will surely never happen.
Regards, Doug
P.S. How about TIG'gua ;^)
P.P.S. I would see it as more of a way to do domestically built
frames/forks for similar money to the less expensive RBW designs, not
another Taiwan produced frameset ("Not that there's anything wrong with
that!") a la Surly, Kogswell, Velo-Orange etc. that just happens to be even
less moolah...
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 2:38 PM, eflayer wrote:
> I know it goes against the grain of everything we stand for here.
> Actually, what do we stand for here? But don't you think Riv/Grant
> could do a really really good job on a tigged frameset. No need to
> sully the Riv name or brand, but maybe a Toyota type thing...and the
> lugged Rivs could be the Lexuses. There are currently a lot of
> entries in the tigged Riv-like bike set. But somehow I think Grant's
> attention to color, geometry, style could equal the best of the lot.
>
> Just thing a beautifully tigged Riv bike at maybe $650?
>
> He could call it the Tiggua brand.
>
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Re: [RBW] Would it be against the law - a tigged Rivendell?
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 4:38 PM, eflayer wrote: > I know it goes against the grain of everything we stand for here. > Actually, what do we stand for here? But don't you think Riv/Grant > could do a really really good job on a tigged frameset. No need to > sully the Riv name or brand, but maybe a Toyota type thing...and the > lugged Rivs could be the Lexuses. There are currently a lot of > entries in the tigged Riv-like bike set. But somehow I think Grant's > attention to color, geometry, style could equal the best of the lot. > > Just thing a beautifully tigged Riv bike at maybe $650? > > He could call it the Tiggua brand. > I thought the name for that brand was surly. Seriously though, what would be the point? Rivendell made it's name as lugged, steel. Changing that now doesn't do anything than dilute the brand as far as I can tell. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
