Re: [TANKS] Re: Small Fry lives
I have thought about it, yes. I wasn't able to come up with any great ideas, though. Do you have one ? It seems like the magazine would need to be circular or spiral and I don't have a good way to push the paintballs around a curve reliably. It would also need to be quick to refill or replace. I tried a couple of 3-d printed magazine designs that I could swap out when a magazine empties. I was thinking of driving the paintballs through it with a stepper motor or a constant force spring (like in a tape measure). Nothing has really panned out. If any of our members has any thoughts, bring them on ! Speaking of stepper motors, I'm planning to use a geared stepper to drive my turret. I'll post photos when I get farther along. A stepper could be good here because it allows for precise position, but the turret is able to be back-driven under adverse conditions. If you use a modest current to drive the stepper motor, the turret will spin when it takes a sharp blow (like when Steve runs into me) instead of breaking the turret or the turret motor. Most modern stepper controllers have an adjustable current limit. Plus, small controllers and steppers are pretty cheap. Most of all, though, is that I've never used one before and I wanted to see what they're like :) - Doug - Original Message - From: Frank Pittelli frank.pitte...@gmail.com To: rctankcombat rctankcombat@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 12:42:43 PM Subject: Re: [TANKS] Re: Small Fry lives Interesting. Have you considered making a 20 ball version of the spring-loaded magazine? That would keep everything nice and compact. -- -- You are currently subscribed to the R/C Tank Combat group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups R/C Tank Combat group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- You are currently subscribed to the R/C Tank Combat group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups R/C Tank Combat group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [TANKS] Re: Small Fry lives
Interesting. Have you considered making a 20 ball version of the spring-loaded magazine? That would keep everything nice and compact. -- -- You are currently subscribed to the R/C Tank Combat group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups R/C Tank Combat group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [TANKS] Re: Small Fry lives
BTW: Where do you plan on mounting the paintball magazine? Part of the trade-off of building really small vehicles is the chore of fitting everything into really small spaces. -- -- You are currently subscribed to the R/C Tank Combat group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups R/C Tank Combat group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [TANKS] Re: Small Fry lives
That's one of the reasons I want to build the version with the Milan tubes. That way, the paintball hopper doesn't need to be inside a turret. It can be external, on top of the guns. My tentative plan is to mount two BT SA-17 paintball pistols ( http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=BT+SA+17+Paintball+PistolFORM=HDRSC2 ). I'll cut down the grip and use a solenoid to trigger them. I will probably use my own hopper instead of the 10 round magazine that they come with. Each gun claims 20+ shots from it's internal 12g CO2 cartridge, so there's my 40 shots. Yes, I'll be changing a lot of cartridges but we don't battle that often and shoot that much paint when do, so I don't think the cost will be so bad. I also hope that having guns offset from the tank center line will help resolve those nose-to-nose standoffs in my favor :) - Doug - Original Message - From: Frank Pittelli frank.pitte...@gmail.com To: rctankcombat rctankcombat@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 11:26:39 AM Subject: Re: [TANKS] Re: Small Fry lives BTW: Where do you plan on mounting the paintball magazine? Part of the trade-off of building really small vehicles is the chore of fitting everything into really small spaces. -- -- You are currently subscribed to the R/C Tank Combat group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups R/C Tank Combat group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- You are currently subscribed to the R/C Tank Combat group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups R/C Tank Combat group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [TANKS] Re: Small Fry lives
Building reliable paintball feed that fits within the scale confines of a model is one of the biggest PITA's in the hobby THE biggest, I think. Why do you think they should be exempt from hits ? It just seems like more grounds for debate about valid hits. If you have the skill to build a small hopper then you should benefit from your skill. If you want to take the quicker, easier, route of using stock parts than you should enjoy the fruits of that decision, too. I'm opposed to all hit exemptions. Except maybe shooting the operator. - Doug - Original Message - From: TyngTech steve...@gmail.com To: rctankcombat rctankcombat@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 3:50:26 PM Subject: Re: [TANKS] Re: Small Fry lives Building reliable paintball feed that fits within the scale confines of a model is one of the biggest PITA's in the hobby. I for one would advocate external loaders like the old Kingman 40 rounders IF they were exempt from hits. Comments? Steve Tyng On Tuesday, March 10, 2015 at 2:25:20 PM UTC-4, Frank Pittelli wrote: Since your magazines will only hold 20 paint balls, I think that a straight tube would work best, using a light-pressure spring, like the one used in the magazine that comes with the marker, only longer. If you made a simple socket to receive the tube, then you could reload quickly using a modified Navarrone Gun loading process: - Disconnect magazine from marker - Cock spring - Pour 20 balls down the tube using preloaded tube of 20 - Reconnect magazine to marker - Release spring to push balls into socket and marker breach It's cheap and easy to make 6-10 pre-loading tubes out of PVC and simply load them with a funnel before the battle. For the spring, you could either duplicate the spring provided with the marker and make it twice as long or buy a replacement spring and place two springs in the longer tube. -- -- You are currently subscribed to the R/C Tank Combat group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups R/C Tank Combat group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout . -- -- You are currently subscribed to the R/C Tank Combat group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups R/C Tank Combat group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [TANKS] Re: Small Fry lives
Those are pretty good reasons, all right. - Original Message - From: TyngTech steve...@gmail.com To: rctankcombat rctankcombat@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 4:52:22 PM Subject: Re: [TANKS] Re: Small Fry lives Because this hobby is dead unless we make an effort to make the cost of entry easier and more affordable. An exposed loader addresses both these areas and if I recall, it is not unprecedented. We had an Abrams battle one year with an exposed loader and I think we gave it hit exception. If a builder can fit everything into the turret, kudos for them but there aren't that many of us out there. BUT if a new guy shows up with a generic tank (with an exposed loader) that moves, turns, and shoots (all still requiring much skill and wherewithal to accomplish BTW) he/she shouldn't be penalized IMO. ST On Tuesday, March 10, 2015 at 4:39:58 PM UTC-4, RocketMan wrote: Building reliable paintball feed that fits within the scale confines of a model is one of the biggest PITA's in the hobby THE biggest, I think. Why do you think they should be exempt from hits ? It just seems like more grounds for debate about valid hits. If you have the skill to build a small hopper then you should benefit from your skill. If you want to take the quicker, easier, route of using stock parts than you should enjoy the fruits of that decision, too. I'm opposed to all hit exemptions. Except maybe shooting the operator. - Doug From: TyngTech stev...@gmail.com To: rctankcombat rctank...@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 3:50:26 PM Subject: Re: [TANKS] Re: Small Fry lives Building reliable paintball feed that fits within the scale confines of a model is one of the biggest PITA's in the hobby. I for one would advocate external loaders like the old Kingman 40 rounders IF they were exempt from hits. Comments? Steve Tyng On Tuesday, March 10, 2015 at 2:25:20 PM UTC-4, Frank Pittelli wrote: blockquote Since your magazines will only hold 20 paint balls, I think that a straight tube would work best, using a light-pressure spring, like the one used in the magazine that comes with the marker, only longer. If you made a simple socket to receive the tube, then you could reload quickly using a modified Navarrone Gun loading process: - Disconnect magazine from marker - Cock spring - Pour 20 balls down the tube using preloaded tube of 20 - Reconnect magazine to marker - Release spring to push balls into socket and marker breach It's cheap and easy to make 6-10 pre-loading tubes out of PVC and simply load them with a funnel before the battle. For the spring, you could either duplicate the spring provided with the marker and make it twice as long or buy a replacement spring and place two springs in the longer tube. -- -- You are currently subscribed to the R/C Tank Combat group. To post a message, send email to rctank...@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups R/C Tank Combat group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rctankcombat...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout . /blockquote -- -- You are currently subscribed to the R/C Tank Combat group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups R/C Tank Combat group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout . -- -- You are currently subscribed to the R/C Tank Combat group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups R/C Tank Combat group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [TANKS] Re: Small Fry lives
Because this hobby is dead unless we make an effort to make the cost of entry easier and more affordable. An exposed loader addresses both these areas and if I recall, it is not unprecedented. We had an Abrams battle one year with an exposed loader and I think we gave it hit exception. If a builder can fit everything into the turret, kudos for them but there aren't that many of us out there. BUT if a new guy shows up with a generic tank (with an exposed loader) that moves, turns, and shoots (all still requiring much skill and wherewithal to accomplish BTW) he/she shouldn't be penalized IMO. ST On Tuesday, March 10, 2015 at 4:39:58 PM UTC-4, RocketMan wrote: Building reliable paintball feed that fits within the scale confines of a model is one of the biggest PITA's in the hobby *THE* biggest, I think. Why do you think they should be exempt from hits ? It just seems like more grounds for debate about valid hits. If you have the skill to build a small hopper then you should benefit from your skill. If you want to take the quicker, easier, route of using stock parts than you should enjoy the fruits of that decision, too. I'm opposed to all hit exemptions. Except maybe shooting the operator. - Doug -- *From: *TyngTech stev...@gmail.com javascript: *To: *rctankcombat rctank...@googlegroups.com javascript: *Sent: *Tuesday, March 10, 2015 3:50:26 PM *Subject: *Re: [TANKS] Re: Small Fry lives Building reliable paintball feed that fits within the scale confines of a model is one of the biggest PITA's in the hobby. I for one would advocate external loaders like the old Kingman 40 rounders IF they were exempt from hits. Comments? Steve Tyng On Tuesday, March 10, 2015 at 2:25:20 PM UTC-4, Frank Pittelli wrote: Since your magazines will only hold 20 paint balls, I think that a straight tube would work best, using a light-pressure spring, like the one used in the magazine that comes with the marker, only longer. If you made a simple socket to receive the tube, then you could reload quickly using a modified Navarrone Gun loading process: - Disconnect magazine from marker - Cock spring - Pour 20 balls down the tube using preloaded tube of 20 - Reconnect magazine to marker - Release spring to push balls into socket and marker breach It's cheap and easy to make 6-10 pre-loading tubes out of PVC and simply load them with a funnel before the battle. For the spring, you could either duplicate the spring provided with the marker and make it twice as long or buy a replacement spring and place two springs in the longer tube. -- -- You are currently subscribed to the R/C Tank Combat group. To post a message, send email to rctank...@googlegroups.com javascript: To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat...@googlegroups.com javascript: Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups R/C Tank Combat group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rctankcombat...@googlegroups.com javascript:. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- You are currently subscribed to the R/C Tank Combat group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups R/C Tank Combat group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [TANKS] Re: Small Fry lives
Since your magazines will only hold 20 paint balls, I think that a straight tube would work best, using a light-pressure spring, like the one used in the magazine that comes with the marker, only longer. If you made a simple socket to receive the tube, then you could reload quickly using a modified Navarrone Gun loading process: - Disconnect magazine from marker - Cock spring - Pour 20 balls down the tube using preloaded tube of 20 - Reconnect magazine to marker - Release spring to push balls into socket and marker breach It's cheap and easy to make 6-10 pre-loading tubes out of PVC and simply load them with a funnel before the battle. For the spring, you could either duplicate the spring provided with the marker and make it twice as long or buy a replacement spring and place two springs in the longer tube. -- -- You are currently subscribed to the R/C Tank Combat group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups R/C Tank Combat group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [TANKS] Re: Small Fry lives
Building reliable paintball feed that fits within the scale confines of a model is one of the biggest PITA's in the hobby. I for one would advocate external loaders like the old Kingman 40 rounders IF they were exempt from hits. Comments? Steve Tyng On Tuesday, March 10, 2015 at 2:25:20 PM UTC-4, Frank Pittelli wrote: Since your magazines will only hold 20 paint balls, I think that a straight tube would work best, using a light-pressure spring, like the one used in the magazine that comes with the marker, only longer. If you made a simple socket to receive the tube, then you could reload quickly using a modified Navarrone Gun loading process: - Disconnect magazine from marker - Cock spring - Pour 20 balls down the tube using preloaded tube of 20 - Reconnect magazine to marker - Release spring to push balls into socket and marker breach It's cheap and easy to make 6-10 pre-loading tubes out of PVC and simply load them with a funnel before the battle. For the spring, you could either duplicate the spring provided with the marker and make it twice as long or buy a replacement spring and place two springs in the longer tube. -- -- You are currently subscribed to the R/C Tank Combat group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups R/C Tank Combat group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
