Re: "Author, author!" Re: [RDA-L] Fictitious characters as authors

2006-03-23 Thread A. Ralph Papakhian
"entry" ? A. Ralph Papakhian, Indiana University Music Library Bloomington, IN 47405 812/855-2970 [EMAIL PROTECTED] co-owner: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: "Author, author!" Re: [RDA-L] Fictitious characters as authors

2006-03-23 Thread J. McRee Elrod
Hal Cain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >To refer to MARC21 for a moment (and revert to oldfashioned >nomenclature), I would be reasonably happy to move into a mode where >name headings (including work headings) were *always* categorized with >the appropriate code in $4 But in a printed book catal

Re: "Author, author!"

2006-03-23 Thread David Pimentel
personality ... entity ... contributor ... perpetrator ... I know -- how about "main entry"?! dp David M Pimentel : 734.657.3786 Doctoral Student : Information Science & Technology School of Information Studies : Syracuse University

Re: "Author, author!" Re: [RDA-L] Fictitious characters as authors

2006-03-23 Thread Diane I. Hillmann
Gosh, I think lawyers use lots more terms than that. In my experience, it's the computer scientists who use "entity." Is there something wrong with "contributor?" Diane We could follow the practice of lawyers and use "entity" Kelly Ann Green KMS Content Analyst Virginia Retirement Syst

Re: "Author, author!"

2006-03-23 Thread Adam Schiff
The term chosen was "Party". So, the main entry would be the "party of the first part" and the added entries would be the "parties of the second part"? Which leads to the "primary party" and "secondary party" or ... "main party" and "added (or additional) parties". But getting serious

Re: "Author, author!" Re: [RDA-L] Fictitious characters as authors

2006-03-23 Thread Kelly A Green
We could follow the practice of lawyers and use "entity" Kelly Ann Green KMS Content Analyst Virginia Retirement System [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Cheryl Boettch

Re: "Author, author!"

2006-03-23 Thread J. McRee Elrod
"Diane I. Hillmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Gosh, I think lawyers use lots more terms than that. In my >experience, it's the computer scientists who use "entity." Wveryone was waiting to see what British Columbia would use on the marriage license forms which would work for both heterosexu

Re: "Author, author!" Re: [RDA-L] Fictitious characters as authors

2006-03-23 Thread Bodling, Kurt
"Perpetrator" works with "Family" in some contexts, too. Kurt A. T. Bodling Digital Resources Cataloger State Library of Pennsylvania 333 Market St. Harrisburg, PA 17126-1745 http://www.statelibrary.state.pa.us/ "The State Library of Pennsylvania ... Serving and Preserving a Written Cultural He

Re: "Author, author!" Re: [RDA-L] Fictitious characters as authors

2006-03-23 Thread Kevin M. Randall
At 03:38 AM 3/23/2006, Davey ,Mr Paul wrote: In despair, before now, trying to find a single term for our opac that would cover any of the below PLUS speakers, performers, composers, artists, engravers, while having to deal with a character limit for the opac label, I have thought of resorting t

Re: "Author, author!" Re: [RDA-L] Fictitious characters as authors

2006-03-23 Thread A. Ralph Papakhian
hi, is mac suggesting "criminal defendants" as the single term? now that's radical! --r A. Ralph Papakhian, Indiana University Music Library Bloomington, IN 47405 812/855-2970 [EMAIL PROTECTED] co-owner: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't forget criminal def

Re: "Author, author!" Re: [RDA-L] Fictitious characters as authors

2006-03-23 Thread Ben Haines
I like it. It seems like these days we find more and more corporate perpetrators, too. Will RDA address this issue, perhaps loosening the restrictions of 21.1B2? (Or is this a particularly American phenomenon?) -Ben (tongue firmly in cheek) Haines Dominican University GSLIS On 3/23/06, Jay

Re: "Author, author!" Re: [RDA-L] Fictitious characters as authors

2006-03-23 Thread Adam Schiff
But some people don't have any personality! ^^ Adam L. Schiff Principal Cataloger University of Washington Libraries Box 352900 Seattle, WA 98195-2900 (206) 543-8409 (206) 685-8782 fax [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://faculty.washington.edu/~aschiff ~~~

Re: "Author, author!" Re: [RDA-L] Fictitious characters as authors

2006-03-23 Thread Adam Schiff
How about: Someone Who Did Something or Person Who Did Something of course that would eliminate non-human living entities. So, in order not to be anthropomorphic, how about: Being That Did Something ^^ Adam L. Schiff Principal Cataloger University

"Author, author!" Re: [RDA-L] Fictitious characters as authors

2006-03-23 Thread Hal Cain
Martha Yee wrote: It would be nice if RDA could find a better word than 'author' to encompass actors, entertainers, musicians, sculptors, composers, photographers, painters, etc., but perhaps there is no such word. The imprecise term "creator" is used in some contexts. But I find it hard t

Re: "Author, author!" Re: [RDA-L] Fictitious characters as authors

2006-03-23 Thread Bernhard Eversberg
Hal Cain wrote: I wish we could find some acceptable collective term for the FRBR Group Two entities Person, Corporate Body, and (to be added, as adumbrated in the FRAR draft and elsewhere) Family. I've used "agent" on occasion, meaning an entity that "does something" to create a work or expre

Re: "Author, author!" Re: [RDA-L] Fictitious characters as authors

2006-03-23 Thread Cheryl Boettcher Tarsala
[I'm resending this with more adequate contact/affiliation information in my signature--sorry for the duplication.] Why not "personality"? Surely Geronimo Stilton and Koko the Gorilla and Racter are recognizable to us as such. Persoenlichkeit ... Works in German, too! In despair, befo

Re: "Author, author!" Re: [RDA-L] Fictitious characters as authors

2006-03-23 Thread Cheryl Boettcher Tarsala
Why not "personality"? Surely Geronimo Stilton and Koko the Gorilla and Racter are recognizable to us as such. Persoenlichkeit ... Works in German, too! In despair, before now, trying to find a single term for our opac that would cover any of the below PLUS speakers, performers, compose

"Author, author!" Re: [RDA-L] Fictitious characters as authors

2006-03-23 Thread Davey ,Mr Paul
In despair, before now, trying to find a single term for our opac that would cover any of the below PLUS speakers, performers, composers, artists, engravers, while having to deal with a character limit for the opac label, I have thought of resorting to "Person". But I didn't. Cheers Paul Da

Re: "Author, author!" Re: [RDA-L] Fictitious characters as authors

2006-03-23 Thread Jay Smith
Along those lines, and perhaps conforming to B. Eversberg's notion of "involver", perhaps a slightly less loaded term (but admittedly not entirely neutral!) would be: perpetrator. Abbreviated in relator codes to: perp. Jay Towne Smith Senior Cataloger San Francisco Public Library [EMAIL PROTE

Re: "Author, author!" Re: [RDA-L] Fictitious characters as authors

2006-03-23 Thread jelrod
> In despair, before now, trying to find a single term for our opac that would > cover any of the below PLUS speakers, performers, composers, artists, > engravers, while having to deal with a character limit for the opac label, I > have thought of resorting to "Person". But I didn't. Don't fo