Re: Wrong model--entity relationship?

2007-07-03 Thread J. McRee Elrod
Karen Coyle said: >Could you explain how authority work records would take care of the FRBR >Group 1 entities? That might be a nifty solution if it could be made to >work. (There's nothing that says that the FRBR entities must be >expressed in the bibliographic record, at least not yet.) Attem

Re: Implementation Task Force

2007-07-03 Thread Marjorie Bloss
Greetings, Teri. I serve as a liaison to the ALCTS RDA Implementation Task Force which is chaired by Dr. Ann O'Neill. I believe she is subscribing to RDA-L, but on the off-chance she has yet to do so, let me forward your e-mail to her. She can fill you in on the task force's discussions and

Re: Wrong model--entity relationship?

2007-07-03 Thread Stephen Hearn
From an optimistic and possibly naive perspective, here's how I see our terms sorting out. Entities are conceptual "things" whose primary characteristic is their uniqueness within a given ontological domain. You can have multiple names for an entity, but not two "entities" which are truly the s

Re: Wrong model--entity relationship?

2007-07-03 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
> -Original Message- > From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Karen Coyle > Sent: July 3, 2007 11:11 AM > To: RDA-L@INFOSERV.NLC-BNC.CA > Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Wrong model--entity relationship? > > Martha Yee wrote: >

Re: Wrong model--entity relationship?

2007-07-03 Thread Karen Coyle
J. McRee Elrod wrote: Personal "Names" do not just represent authors. They also represent editors, translators, composers, artists, directors, actors, criminal defendants, subjects, etc., etc., etc. And that's just personal names. There are also corporate, government, ship, building, park, an

Re: Wrong model--entity relationship?

2007-07-03 Thread Karen Coyle
Brenndorfer, Thomas wrote: Just to add some thoughts about attributes and entities ... However, if the color "brown" was repeated many times and applied to more objects other than boxes in our database, then we have a many-to-many relationship. A more efficient database design would be to have

Re: Wrong model--entity relationship?

2007-07-03 Thread J. McRee Elrod
Karen Coyle said: >The "entities" in a model like FRBR are just the "things" you are going >to work with. For example, in AACR and MARC we have "names"; in the >former they are headings (authors, added authors) ... Such over simplification worries me, perhaps because models we have seen of pos

Re: Wrong model--entity relationship?

2007-07-03 Thread Karen Coyle
Martha Yee wrote: We need a model that recognizes that many works important to our users are identified by BOTH their authors and their titles. We need a model that recognizes that the author is more important as an attribute of a work than as an entity in its own right. Catalogs are bibliogra