Re: [RDA-L] RDA "draft"

2011-03-16 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Gene Fieg [gf...@cst.edu] Sent: March-16-11 6:38 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] RDA "draft" ... >I have been reading RDA a

Re: [RDA-L] RDA "draft"

2011-03-16 Thread Laurence Creider
Yes, you need to understand the domain model, but what you need to produce good metadata are also rules that are structured the way the work flows. I'm sure you have a cataloging code until you have both. Please do not tell me to consult the workflows; if you are making a cataloging code, the

Re: [RDA-L] RDA "draft"

2011-03-16 Thread Gene Fieg
I will keep this just to make sure I am not going crazy I have been reading RDA and I am now in chapter 6 and while it is supposed to be very logical, I don't understands why the composition of preferred entries for librettos comes after their construction as variant entries to operas, etc. It is

Re: [RDA-L] "actual RDA"

2011-03-16 Thread Bob Hall
Mike, et al., Well said and well put. With budgets for FY 2012 being written, discussed (read:argued) there will be some public libraries, some not small, that will not be able to afford the paper copy! I wish I were being an alarmist about that comment; but alas, it is the way it is. R. -

Re: [RDA-L] RDA "draft"

2011-03-16 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
We need professional catalogers who think of themselves as participants in systems design, who everyone realizes have to understand the design of the system, yeah. If what we have instead are mostly minimum wage clerks who are expected only to follow very specific rules, without using much jud

Re: [RDA-L] "actual RDA"

2011-03-16 Thread J. McRee Elrod
Adam responded to Mike: >> So far we at QBI are leaning toward utilizing Mac's cheat sheets. > >Which were put together based on drafts that might not represent the final >published instructions. Most of what is required to be RDA compliant for interfiling, is to change the forms of entry for

Re: [RDA-L] RDA "draft"

2011-03-16 Thread Laurence Creider
Thank you so much; this is very clear and helpful. I think your response also crystallizes the problem many have with RDA. That is to say, your explanation is at the level of the model and is of very little use to someone who is in the process of describing a resource. The information is the

Re: [RDA-L] "actual RDA"

2011-03-16 Thread Adam L. Schiff
I wouldn't mind if Mr. Brenndorfer developed such a handbook either! ^^ Adam L. Schiff Principal Cataloger University of Washington Libraries Box 352900 Seattle, WA 98195-2900 (206) 543-8409 (206) 685-8782 fax asch...@u.washington.edu http://faculty.washington.

Re: [RDA-L] "actual RDA"

2011-03-16 Thread Arakawa, Steven
Or, wait for "Maxwell's handbook for RDA." I'm sure there will be a market for a how-to book or books for libraries that only need to perform original cataloging once in a while, and there will be plenty of lead time to develop such a text. As Mike implies, there will undoubtedly be a long trans

Re: [RDA-L] RDA "draft"

2011-03-16 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
___ From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of J. McRee Elrod [m...@slc.bc.ca] Sent: March-16-11 11:51 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] RDA "draft" >>If there is a

Re: [RDA-L] "actual RDA"

2011-03-16 Thread Mike Tribby
I wrote: > So far we at QBI are leaning toward utilizing Mac's cheat sheets. To which Adam Schiff replied: "Which were put together based on drafts that might not represent the final published instructions. I haven't compared them to see if they accurately reflect the current RDA, but users of

Re: [RDA-L] "actual RDA"

2011-03-16 Thread Adam L. Schiff
On Wed, 16 Mar 2011, Mike Tribby wrote: So far we at QBI are leaning toward utilizing Mac's cheat sheets. Which were put together based on drafts that might not represent the final published instructions. I haven't compared them to see if they accurately reflect the current RDA, but users o

Re: [RDA-L] "actual RDA"

2011-03-16 Thread Mike Tribby
Many excellent points in this thread; points not normally aired on this list where the emphasis is more on the technical functionalities and requirements of RDA. I think it may be important to realize that there is not now and never has been any initiative for RDA to be anything but a constantly

Re: [RDA-L] "actual RDA"

2011-03-16 Thread Fox, Chris
And what about those of us who are still struggling with the requirement to shell out scarce money for the Toolkit, or the print version for that matter, when we haven't even decided whether we can catalog the RDA way? -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource

Re: [RDA-L] RDA "draft"

2011-03-16 Thread J. McRee Elrod
Mark said: >The range of topics covered by our present cataloging rules is >addressed in RDA, whether those topics as found in the latter are >untouched, tweaked, or completely overhauled. Or ignored, e.g., the relationship between transcription and entries, the justification of added entries, an

Re: [RDA-L] "actual RDA"

2011-03-16 Thread Gene Fieg
Talk about a digital divide! And what do the yahoos (sarcasm) do who do not have access to a computer? On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 9:18 AM, Paul Burley wrote: > Adam: > > >>>"There is only one version of RDA that counts now, and that is the one > that is available through the RDA Toolkit, or, lac

Re: [RDA-L] "actual RDA"

2011-03-16 Thread Paul Burley
Adam: >>>"There is only one version of RDA that counts now, and that is the one that is available through the RDA Toolkit, or, lacking that, the printed loose-leaf version of RDA sold by ALA, CLA, CILIP, etc." I disagree. Any given standard can only have a _single_ authoritative source. If there'

Re: [RDA-L] RDA "draft"

2011-03-16 Thread Mark Ehlert
J. McRee Elrod wrote: > Adam Schiff said: > >>It is incorrect to refer to the "present draft" of RDA.  It's not a draft, >>it's a published work. > > But an incomplete work.  Whole chapters are missing. At the same time, the content of those chapters will contain instructions that go well beyond

Re: [RDA-L] RDA "draft"

2011-03-16 Thread Jean Weihs
A historic note for those interested. Michael Gorman & I each researched the cataloguing of holograms in the U.S. (Michael) & Canada (me), then compared our findings. Both of us found the physicists unhelpful with no understanding of & no interest in the whys & hows of cataloguing holograms.

Re: [RDA-L] RDA "draft"

2011-03-16 Thread J. McRee Elrod
Stephen Early said: >Speaking of which, can I assume there are no plans to complete AACR2 >chapters 14-20 :-) ? AACR2 Chapters 14-19 were reserved for possible additional genres, e.g., holograms. The Part II introduction replaces Chapter 20, and Part II chapters begin at 21. This was felt to b

Re: [RDA-L] RDA "draft"

2011-03-16 Thread Stephen Early
Speaking of which, can I assume there are no plans to complete AACR2 chapters 14-20 :-) ? Steve > -Original Message- > From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access > [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of J. McRee Elrod > Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 20