Bernhard:
Just a clarification: The Open Metadata Registry was originally funded
by the US National Science Foundation, e.g., with 'public' money, not as
part of a private initiative. It was intended to be (and still is) an
open-source project based on a set of freely available services.
I seem to recall saying much the same thing some years ago at one of
the last MARBI meetings I attended, and it's very likely Karen said it
too. I don't really understand why the realization that this is a zero
sum game hasn't penetrated significantly in this community.
This is supposed to
Judie:
RDA-the-guidance-text IS a content standard. It comes with the RDA
Vocabularies (http://metadataregistry.org/rdabrowse.htm), which support
the expression of those standards in data. What you see most of in terms
of examples is RDA-in-MARC, which is not a really functional expression
Just to point out a few things here:
If we were not making the text of the name serve double duty, we would
be providing an identifier to every newly established name, and the
description would provide information on where that name appeared (a
title page, for instance), which would thereby
Mark Judie:
Let me try to clarify some of this--I agree that it can be very confusing.
Dublin Core and the RDA Vocabularies are separate element vocabularies,
and either one can be used by a digital asset management system
(normally the system you choose already comes with something someone
Megan:
I think you have it absolutely right.
One of our big problems with making a transition to RDA is that we do
not yet have tools to manage our data using RDA, and so it's difficult
to visualize how the different approach to data will change what
catalogers do (and what libraries do,
I participated in a discussion last week where the issues of email
privacy (in particular, but other personal info was implied) came
up--the discussion was about author profiles, not that far from name
authorities. I think this is an issue that we do need to think
about--and the notion about
Judy:
When the RDA text was marked up for the RDA Toolkit, some small
vocabularies that appear in the Toolkit text were highlighted, and we
went ahead and added them to the registered vocabularies, because they
are indeed vocabularies that should be managed in the same manner as the
large
Jonathan:
On 3/2/11 11:27 AM, Jonathan Rochkind wrote:
The plot thickens.
So, since we are reduced to entering these labels directly in Marc 300
(in a way that can't be easily retrieved by machine) it looks like
coloured rather than colored is the _correct_ RDA label to use,
regardless of
Nerissa:
I think what this discussion points out is a gap in how we think about
who contributes to data and how it is created. In libraries we have
this fantasy that catalogers are 'objective' and that's what we're
trying to do when catalogers create data--provide one-size-fits-all,
Both Karen and John are correct, and the divergence of their
viewpoints highlights very well the challenges the library community
faces as we look towards the future.
Karen's suggestions are very much in keeping with the way the 'open
world' is looking at data (including library data), and
Realized belatedly that this conversation might better be happening on
other lists.
Diane
Original Message
Subject:Re: [Re: ] RDA and MARC
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 14:26:18 -0500
From: Diane I. Hillmann d...@cornell.edu
To: MARC m...@listserv.loc.gov
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Thomas,
That's exactly the point of the RDA vocabularies. See:
http://dlib.org/dlib/january10/hillmann/01hillmann.html and
http://metadataregistry.org/rdabrowse.htm
Diane
On 2/11/11 10:49 AM, Brenndorfer, Thomas wrote:
Is it a fair assumption to make that while encoding standards are
Folks:
Note that the RDA Vocabularies provide both the granularity of separate
elements and the ability to combine them into prescribed order within
statements. Or, to be clear, we've set them up that way, but this isn't
to guarantee that they'll be used properly.
See the article in DLib
All:
'Publisher (Manifestation)' appears in the RDA Vocabs as one of the Role
properties:
http://metadataregistry.org/schemaprop/show/id/1561.html
Diane
On 12/15/10 1:23 PM, John Attig wrote:
Publisher is not on the list in Appendix I because it is a
relationship element (RDA 21.3); the
And, if your comments relate to the RDA Vocabularies at
http://metadataregistry.org/rdabrowse.htm, please also email them to
Diane Hillmann, co-chair, DCMI/RDA Task Group (metadata.ma...@gmail.com)
Thanks,
Diane
On 11/1/10 1:45 PM, Kuhagen, Judith wrote:
[Being posted on behalf of the US
This issue represents (to me, anyway) an excellent example of why we
need to look at approaches that are not record-based if we want to move
forward. If we start thinking that 'we can't use RDA because it won't
let us do provider neutral records' we're shooting ourselves in the
foot, in my
It seems to me that the assumption here that the textual guidance
(rules) are the place for these kinds of decisions, and that they should
necessarily apply to everyone is something we should be looking closely
at. In fact, if we're no longer thinking of catalog cards as our
preferred
Folks:
I'd like to point those of you interested in the more technical side of
discussions on RDA and FRBR to a conversation going on in the public
Linked Library Data discussion list, starting here with a message from
Karen Coyle:
Jonathan,
I think you're right about this, and I think the general habit of
looking at RDA primarily as a set of cataloging rules leads to this mode
of thinking.
Diane
On 8/4/10 10:00 AM, Jonathan Rochkind wrote:
Weinheimer Jim wrote:
our patrons want from the records we are to make.
Jim:
On this point you are absolutely on the right track.
On 4/15/10 4:39 AM, Weinheimer Jim wrote:
But even more, it seems to me that we should consider the future catalog not as
a separate entity from the rest of the web, but as an integral part of it (I
hope as an important part of it as
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I'm not sure that we should continue to hold on to the idea of typing
in tables of contents (or buying them from vendors who then refuse to
let us share them). In a world where digital versions of books are
taking hold, and Amazon has made Look Inside the Book their way of
letting customers
Chris:
There was supposed to be a map of RDA to DC issued with the first
release of RDA, but I think the decision was made not to put it out
quite yet. I got a chance to look at it and provide some comments--in
general my comments were designed to eliminate the leaps of faith
endemic in the
Kevin:
I think you've definitely got it. :-)
Consider the question that always comes up about our legacy data--what
will we do with it if MARC becomes just one of any number of formats
we might exchange? What if we could consider possibilities like mapping
on the fly from MARC to RDA? Or
No Mac, the vocabularies don't assume anything of the kind. If you
check out some of the work we've done with the Deutsche
Nationalbibliothek (in the Content Type and Media Type vocabularies at:
http://metadataregistry.org/vocabulary/show/id/45.html and
Dear Colleagues,
For the first time in several years, the annual Dublin Core Conference
will be held in the United States. DC-2010 will take place October 20-22
in Pittsburgh, PA, and is co-located with the annual ASIST conference.
While this year's conference will be shorter than usual, it will
Folks:
Some of you who attended ALA Midwinter may have heard me talk about an
upcoming article in DLib Magazine about the development of the RDA
Vocabularies. It's out now, and available at:
http://dlib.org/dlib/january10/hillmann/01hillmann.html:
Abstract
The Resource Description and
. Asynchronous mechanisms for
participant/author communications will be provided.
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Folks:
The vocabulary portions of RDA are essentially complete and available
at: http://metadataregistry.org/rdabrowse.htm. Updates to the
vocabularies from the last JSC meeting in March have been integrated,
and although we expect to see some minor editorial tweaks prior to the
formal
Antony:
There is indeed, and you cleverly used one of the several available.
You can see by viewing here:
http://metadataregistry.org/history/show/id/3396.html that the typo is
now fixed.
However, the easiest (we hope) method is just to click the feedback
button that appears on every
Mac:
The display you link to
(http://metadataregistry.org/concept/list/vocabulary_id/46.html) is just
a listing of the concepts in the carrier type vocabularies, with the top
level concepts marked with a green check. Placement of concepts on this
list does not imply a relationship--to see
Mac:
One of the gaps in the current vocabularies is the lack of lead-in or
alternate terms, which could certainly make the substitution of more
user-friendly terminology a bit easier to accomplish. One of the
benefits of using the Registry and SKOS is that there are standard
techniques for
An important note on an ALA program ...
Diane
Original Message
Subject:[CODE4LIB] Linked Data program at ALA Annual Conference
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 13:39:34 -0400
From: Jennifer Bowen jbo...@library.rochester.edu
Reply-To: Code for Libraries
Daniel:
Videodisc is among the registered terms for RDA Carrier Type, see:
http://metadataregistry.org/concept/show/id/1113.htmlhttp://metadataregistry.org/concept/show/id/1113.html.
The full list can be viewed by clicking on Concepts in the yellow
tinted section above the tabs.
Diane
Dan, I agree. They represent the point of view of a particular
community, and are no less valid for that. The problem has been that
there has been some notion floating around that we all have to agree on
ONE point of view for record sharing to work under FRBR. I believe that
is not the
John Jonathan:
Yes, we are waiting for the results of the recent JSC meetings to
finalize some of the registrations of the Appendices I-K. Right now I'm
in the midst of adding many of the value vocabularies from the text,
which is keeping me busy until we have those changes. We recently
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Folks:
Three new and important vocabularies from RDA have been registered:
RDA Content Type: http
I agree. I also can't help thinking that in regard to Cutter's point
about the title page that Karen quotes: wouldn't he relish the thought
that if some validation were needed to confirm that an item in hand were
the same as one described, a simple link could get you a scanned version
of the
Jakob:
I'm glad you're interested in RDA and think it's a step in the right
direction. I'd like to update you on a few issues you mention in your
post, however, which I hope will reassure you a bit.
Jakob Voss wrote:
Hi,
As you may already noticed the Resource Description and Access (RDA)
.
Diane
Bryan Baldus wrote:
On Thursday, November 13, 2008 10:13 PM, Diane I. Hillmann wrote:
This seems so counterintuitive--libraries have been complaining for years that
their vendors have made so little use of the richness of MARC records, and
here's OCLC building systems that use even less
Adam:
Thanks for pointing this out--I've had little experience using WorldCat,
and wasn't really aware of these particular problems. This seems so
counterintuitive--libraries have been complaining for years that their
vendors have made so little use of the richness of MARC records, and
here's
I think the report and this discussion about consistency is really
important for us all to think about. One of the ideas we'll need to
get used to as we contemplate changes to come is that data will come
from a variety of sources, and not all of those sources will be have the
same view of
Shawne:
You're right, when I hear cataloging I think traditional
cataloging--one reason why I always use the later term when I mean
traditional cataloging, and something else, say, metadata creation
when I mean something else. I'm glad you're not just teaching
traditional cataloging, but maybe
John, you've absolutely gotten it, and I like your metaphors, too.
:-)
Diane
Myers, John F. wrote:
The issue is that we hide our catalog records in our catalogs. While the public face of
those catalogs is a WebOPAC, this is only an html based interface to the catalog data, an
interface that
Shawne:
I'm not sure we do ourselves any favors by continuing to use catalog
when we really mean bibliographic data as a whole--these are two
different things, in my opinion, and it's the second that we need to
focus on, rather than continue to fuss over catalogs.
A catalog which is accessible
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Shawne:
Thanks for your note. I'm not sure I was aiming for eloquence, just
hoping to shift the conversation a bit, away from the tendency
Ed Jones wrote:
[snip]
My main concern at present is that in the current economic environment
there will be increasing pressure at all levels to abandon RDA—or at
best to postpone its implementation—if it entails any substantial
investment by those who would otherwise implement it. With state
Shawne:
Thanks for your note. I'm not sure I was aiming for eloquence, just
hoping to shift the conversation a bit, away from the tendency to a
Chicken Little-style response ...
Your last question worries me--are we still creating catalogs, or are we
trying (finally) to participate, as the
Shawne:
It wasn't too long ago that I was told that I couldn't catalog web
resources because we didn't own them. I have to say that redefining
the catalog yet again isn't something I'm all that interested in
doing--particularly since that definition isn't likely to ever be as
close to consensus
Here's the link:
http://www.cilip.org.uk/publications/updatemagazine/archive/archive2008/september/rdachapman.htm
Diane Hillmann
Philip Davis wrote:
In another of her valiant attempts to keep the flag of cataloguing flying in
the hostile landscape of UK librarianship, Ann Chapman has written
Ed:
Check out the registry for:
Earlier variant title:
http://metadataregistry.org/schemaprop/show/id/74.html
Later variant title: http://metadataregistry.org/schemaprop/show/id/75.html
There are also a bunch of additional subproperties of title that should
fill some of the need you're
Folks:
Despite the quiet on the list, there has been plenty of activity going
on. For instance:
* Technical analysis of the first of the Cataloger Scenarios is available on
the
DCMI/RDA Task Group pages. To view, go to the Scenarios
(http://dublincore.org/dcmirdataskgroup/Scenarios) and
and perhaps some discussion ...
Diane
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potential to inform
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Jonathan:
I think these are all issues, and Karen's response to John reflected
some of my approach to these as well. But let me try and be clear about
where I think we need to go.
Jonathan Rochkind wrote:
Martha's explanation of her argument for a FRBR model of motion pictures
makes sense to
Greta:
I added your scenario to the wiki--thanks for this, and for the gritty
realism you added!
Regards,
Diane
Greta de Groat wrote:
Ok, i'll have to think about this some more, but here's one scenario
based on an item i copy cataloged last week
Jane Cataloger is working on cataloging the
Greta:
Thanks for your careful reading!
Greta de Groat wrote:
Yes, Diane, thanks for posting these! They are very helpful.
I do have a couple of questions.
On Scenario 2, Jane creates the work description (based on an ONYX
record) for the work, creates work records for the individual part,
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Folks:
As part of the thinking we've been doing about the DCMI-RDA Task Group
work, I've developed a couple of cataloger scenarios and added
Folks:
As part of the thinking we've been doing about the DCMI-RDA Task Group
work, I've developed a couple of cataloger scenarios and added them to
the DC-RDA TG wiki: http://www.dublincore.org/dcmirdataskgroup/Scenarios
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Folks,
I was asked to put my comments somewhere where they could be cited.
I've used Google Docs to do that (our website is in the midst of a
transition, so in the interests of speed, I took the low road). See:
http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dn8z3gs_51dsqc77
I've done some light editing to
Diana:
(oops, had to type that name twice, my fingers wanted an e at the end!)
I think the trick is that we need to nix the assumptions, and require
that anyone (this includes the general case as well) specify
carefully what their boundaries are when they distribute data. So,
for instance,
nothing in this area far outweigh the risks of
doing something that may not pay off immediately.
Diane
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Folks:
I hope some of you will consider contributing to
this--it should be a fantastic conference and
there's a great deal of interest in RDA in
Germany.
Diane
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Mac:
Well, I know, but I was hoping to keep the length down a bit, so
relied on references instead of quoting the recommendation.
Unfortunately it's a PDF so there's no way to actually include a link
to that section of the recommendations, and, to be honest, cutting
and pasting from the PDF is
and make business oriented decisions. It'd be great if some of
our library schools (oops, information schools?) would take up some
of these research suggestions.
Diane
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Folks:
I figured it might be easier on readers and other commentators to
break this up into parts.
In general I found the report to be an interesting mix of sound
recommendations and blinkered thinking. Some of this was a result of
the fact that although the Library of Congress commissioned
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that we already have many of the pieces that we'd need to do this.
Diane
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Folks:
I'd like to make a strong suggestion that you listen to an important
podcast interview by Scott Mace of Open Source Conversations with
Karen Coyle. The interview is linked from Karen's blog,
(http://kcoyle.blogspot.com/2007/03/podcast-on-libraries-and-standards.html).
Like all of us who
Greta:
This lack of flexibility will occur wherever the information in the
metadata record is essentially a label, whether or not there is
separate parsing of all portions of the name. As you note, MARC
separately codes some things, and not others, and then requires the
cataloger to be able to
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in our future, no matter where we're building our
metadata, and that's where we should be spending more of our effort
now.
Diane
Again, thank you.
Matthew
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Oops, apologies to all, as I neglected to add the attachment. End of
day error, for sure
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Paul:
The RDA Special Session at DC2006 has just concluded, and there was
much positive reaction to the CC:DA statement of concerns. There are
plans to write up the discussion and present it to the JSC at their
meeting in Washington. I will be attending on behalf of Dublin Core
and there will
Paul:
Thanks for sharing this, I think it expresses some of my concerns as
well (though you're clearly more adept with a metaphor than I am!).
I'm also concerned that, if we defer dealing with these issues now
(largely in our desire to meet a publication deadline) we may never
have the
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Thanks for sharing this, I think it expresses some of my concerns as
well
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Issues in Applying RDA in Non-MARC Metadata Communities
Diane I. Hillmann
Jan. 31, 2006
Having come rather late to the RDA discussion, I recognize that the
points I bring up in this document may not be the comments that CC:DA
or JSC expects or desires at this stage, but I hope the concerns
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