Re: [RDA-L] Conference names : use of annual, etc.

2011-04-20 Thread Weinheimer Jim
Amanda Xu wrote: Adopting and implementing RDA standards and technologies is different from fixing "a broken motorcycle or automobile." In the later case, you have to replace parts that are not working or need to be modernized. The pipes or wires that connect to the parts may not be durable a

Re: [RDA-L] Conference names : use of annual, etc.

2011-04-19 Thread Amanda Xu
Adopting and implementing RDA standards and technologies is different from fixing "a broken motorcycle or automobile." In the later case, you have to replace parts that are not working or need to be modernized. The pipes or wires that connect to the parts may not be durable any longer. In an ide

Re: [RDA-L] Conference names : use of annual, etc.

2011-04-19 Thread hecain
Quoting Weinheimer Jim : Hal Cain wrote: Yebbut-- the hardest problems of achieving consistency usually arise from the inconsistencies found in the resources themselves. Regularizing such inconsistencies will infringe on the principle of representation: there should be a clear match between the

Re: [RDA-L] Conference names : use of annual, etc.

2011-04-19 Thread Weinheimer Jim
Hal Cain wrote: Yebbut-- the hardest problems of achieving consistency usually arise from the inconsistencies found in the resources themselves. Regularizing such inconsistencies will infringe on the principle of representation: there should be a clear match between the resource and how it is desc

Re: [RDA-L] FW: [RDA-L] Conference names : use of annual, etc.

2011-04-18 Thread Amanda Xu
t; > > *From:* Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access > [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] *On Behalf Of *Amanda Xu > *Sent:* Monday, April 18, 2011 4:29 PM > *To:* RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA > *Subject:* Re: [RDA-L] Conference names : use of annual, etc. >

Re: [RDA-L] Conference names : use of annual, etc.

2011-04-18 Thread Amanda Xu
ption and Access / Resource Description and Access > [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Adam L. Schiff > Sent: Monday, April 18, 2011 14:05 > To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA > Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Conference names : use of annual, etc. > > Applying conference rules

Re: [RDA-L] Conference names : use of annual, etc.

2011-04-18 Thread hecain
Quoting Mark Ehlert : Adam L. Schiff wrote: I think what will happen in RDA is that we will create authority records for each conference, rather than one record to represent the continuing conference. Though there are scattered references to "series of conferences, etc." in RDA, e.g., 11.13.

Re: [RDA-L] Conference names : use of annual, etc.

2011-04-18 Thread John Hostage
V.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Adam L. Schiff Sent: Monday, April 18, 2011 14:05 To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Conference names : use of annual, etc. Applying conference rules to festivals, fairs, exhibitions, etc. simply will not work, because many of them have names su

Re: [RDA-L] Conference names : use of annual, etc.

2011-04-18 Thread Weinheimer Jim
On 18/04/2011 19:34, Adam L. Schiff wrote: I think you are right, but then our patrons will demand that somehow, these separate conferences all come together. People have plenty of problems already with conferences--one of the worst is the idea that it is a conference *name* and not a conferenc

Re: [RDA-L] Conference names : use of annual, etc.

2011-04-18 Thread Adam L. Schiff
Applying conference rules to festivals, fairs, exhibitions, etc. simply will not work, because many of them have names such as: Artists Biennial Biennale di Venezia Bienal Internacional de Arte Asia Triennial Manchester Chapungu Annual Cape Town Triennial Prague Quadrennial ^

Re: [RDA-L] Conference names : use of annual, etc.

2011-04-18 Thread Mark Ehlert
Adam L. Schiff wrote: > I think what will happen in RDA is that we will create authority records for > each conference, rather than one record to represent the continuing > conference. Though there are scattered references to "series of conferences, etc." in RDA, e.g., 11.13.1.8, Exceptions: "If

Re: [RDA-L] Conference names : use of annual, etc.

2011-04-18 Thread Adam L. Schiff
C.CA] On Behalf Of Adam L. Schiff Sent: Monday, April 18, 2011 3:39 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Conference names : use of annual, etc. Mary Charles, Since no one yet has tried to give an explanation, and without searching through all of the JSC minutes, where it can p

Re: [RDA-L] Conference names : use of annual, etc.

2011-04-18 Thread Peter Schouten
ion and Access / Resource Description and Access namens Jonathan Rochkind Verzonden: ma 18-4-2011 17:50 Aan: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Onderwerp: Re: [RDA-L] Conference names : use of annual, etc. Only catalogers? The ISSN authority considers them to be different too, changing the title like that gets

Re: [RDA-L] Conference names : use of annual, etc.

2011-04-18 Thread John Hostage
n of a frequency word indicated a different serial. -- John Hostage Authorities and Database Integrity Librarian Langdell Hall Harvard Law School Library Cambridge, MA 02138 host...@law.harvard.edu<mailto:host...@law.harvard.edu> +(1)(617) 495-3974 (voice)

Re: [RDA-L] Conference names : use of annual, etc.

2011-04-18 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Only catalogers? The ISSN authority considers them to be different too, changing the title like that gets you a new ISSN. Note the different ISSNs at each point "monthly" and/or "the" was added/removed. The Atlantic 1072-7825 Former titles (until 1993): Atlantic (United States) (0276-9077) (unt

Re: [RDA-L] Conference names : use of annual, etc.

2011-04-18 Thread J. McRee Elrod
Mary Charles Lasater said: >Do you think that decision could be reconsidered ... the less >problematic change would be to treat fairs, exhibitions, festivals >like conferences. Agreed. And extend it to serials, getting rid of the confusing flip flop successive entries of "Atlantic" and "Atlantic

Re: [RDA-L] Conference names : use of annual, etc.

2011-04-18 Thread Weinheimer Jim
Danskin, Alan wrote: Treating "events" consistently is a simplification of the instructions. The decision to include "frequency" in the name of the event is justified by the principle of representation if the event represents itself as an " Annual Conference" or the "Biennial Festival". I hav

Re: [RDA-L] Conference names : use of annual, etc.

2011-04-18 Thread Danskin, Alan
to:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Lasater, Mary Charles Sent: 18 April 2011 12:58 To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Conference names : use of annual, etc. Adam, Thanks. Do you think that decision could be reconsidered, given the implications for 'access'

Re: [RDA-L] Conference names : use of annual, etc.

2011-04-18 Thread Lasater, Mary Charles
ce Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Adam L. Schiff Sent: Monday, April 18, 2011 3:39 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Conference names : use of annual, etc. Mary Charles, Since no one yet has tried to

Re: [RDA-L] Conference names : use of annual, etc.

2011-04-18 Thread Adam L. Schiff
: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Gene Fieg Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 10:44 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: [RDA-L] Conference names : use of annual, etc.   I noticed that in recording and

Re: [RDA-L] Conference names : use of annual, etc.

2011-04-16 Thread Lasater, Mary Charles
nd the background of the decision. Mary Charles -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Karen Coyle Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2011 10:00 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-

Re: [RDA-L] Conference names : use of annual, etc.

2011-04-16 Thread Karen Coyle
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 10:44 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: [RDA-L] Conference names : use of annual, etc. I noticed that in recording and constructing conferences, that it is now allowed to use frequency terms to modify the conference, like "annual". I think that

Re: [RDA-L] Conference names : use of annual, etc.

2011-04-16 Thread J. McRee Elrod
Mary Charles Lasater said: >I was also surprised by and concerned about this RDA change for conference = >names. As I understood the change, "Annual" etc. was to be included in the conference name, if in the name on the item, not used as a qualification, as Gene mentioned: >I noticed that in r

Re: [RDA-L] Conference names : use of annual, etc.

2011-04-16 Thread Lasater, Mary Charles
Lasater Authorities Coordinator Vanderbilt University From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Gene Fieg Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 10:44 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: [RDA-L] Conference names : use of ann

[RDA-L] Conference names : use of annual, etc.

2011-04-15 Thread Gene Fieg
I noticed that in recording and constructing conferences, that it is now allowed to use frequency terms to modify the conference, like "annual". I think that is a mistake, and goes against the implications of some LCRIs that said to eliminate terms of frequency for other other publications. It seem