On 5/19/2012 10:52 AM, Karen Coyle wrote:
This is what worries me about FRBR and the assumptions that every
bibliographic record will be made up of at least four and probably more
like 6-8 table joins. If every record to be displayed requires a join of
a Manifestation, an Expression, and a Work
On 5/21/12 7:28 AM, Jonathan Rochkind wrote:
On 5/19/2012 10:52 AM, Karen Coyle wrote:
This is what worries me about FRBR and the assumptions that every
bibliographic record will be made up of at least four and probably more
like 6-8 table joins. If every record to be displayed requires a join
On 21/05/2012 18:06, Karen Coyle wrote:
snip
Obviously, you can do what you want with FRBR inside your own system,
but we're talking about massive sharing of data. It's the sharing part
that matters. The danger is that the library community will form
standards that are widely followed but that
The theory of database design and the practice don't always coincide,
especially for large datasets. When I was working on large databases in
Oracle the catchword was that joins are costly and the more of them
that it took to respond to your query (between search and display) the
worse your
I'm coming into this discussion somewhat late so apologies if the
following has been covered. As someone who works both with MARC directly
as a cataloger and MS Access (both in the same ILS--Voyager) I was very
interested in this discussion and wanted to weigh in. My question:
Is it RDA that
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I'm coming into this discussion somewhat late so apologies if the following has
been covered
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Subject: [RDA-L] Are RDA, MARC data, and Bibliographic concepts compatible with
Relational database principles or systems? (Was: Re: [RDA-L] RDA, DBMS and RDF)
[I am top
On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 8:03 PM, Joe M Tomich jtom...@uwm.edu wrote:
Simon,
In your model, does the stored information for an individual author or
publisher constitute a record within a table (as would likely be the case
in a typical relational database), or is each author, publisher, etc.
is.
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Thanks
PM
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Thanks Simon, It's much better to have an actual mock-up than just a
description.
If I understand this correctly, to do this you do three separate
queries. If you had been able to use a single query (e.g
son kidnapped and murdered, 1932)
Thomas Brenndorfer
Guelph Public Library
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,
1932)
Thomas Brenndorfer
Guelph Public Library
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I
: Karen Coyle [mailto:li...@kcoyle.net]
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The question of plurals has come up in the discussions of vocabularies within
JSC, since
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The question of plurals has come up in the discussions of vocabularies
within JSC, since the vocabularies that are coded in the Open Metadata
Registry (at http
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 5:50 AM, Karen Coyle li...@kcoyle.net wrote:
This confirms what I was saying about retrieval. There are some on this
list that claim that there ARE systems that could do what I asked (the
bibliographic record will display 3 times in the list of retrievals).
I can
Thanks Simon, It's much better to have an actual mock-up than just a
description.
If I understand this correctly, to do this you do three separate
queries. If you had been able to use a single query (e.g. if you had an
overall keyword index), with UNION ALL would you have been able to
retain
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Thanks Simon, It's much better to have an actual mock-up than just a
description.
If I understand this correctly, to do this you do three separate queries. If
you had been able to use
Adam
Except that LCSH occupation/profession headings are in the plural,
while RDA terms would be in the singular. I'm not at all sure that you
could singularize an LCSH heading and still code the subfield $2 of the
374 field for LCSH. What do others think about this?
I think that if we are to
On 13/05/2012 19:49, Karen Coyle wrote:
snip
All,
After struggling for a long time with my frustration with the
difficulties of dealing with MARC, FRBR and RDA concepts in the
context of data management, I have done a blog post that explains some
of my thinking on the topic:
13, 2012 1:49 PM
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Subject: [RDA-L] RDA, DBMS and RDF
All,
After struggling for a long time with my frustration with the difficulties of
dealing with MARC, FRBR and RDA concepts in the context of data management, I
have done a blog post that explains some of my
Description and Access / Resource Description and Access
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The authorized access point part of RDA is one of the carryovers
Description and Access
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All,
After struggling for a long time with my frustration with the difficulties of
dealing with MARC, FRBR
:19 -0700
From: Matt Elrodm...@elrod.ca
To: J. McRee Elrodm...@slc.bc.ca
Subject: Re: [RDA-L] RDA, DBMS and RDF
Mac,
I would need to know which title seems to appear twice in a hit list to
answer this question. Distinct records might *appear* to be duplicates
for multi-volume sets for example
All,
After struggling for a long time with my frustration with the
difficulties of dealing with MARC, FRBR and RDA concepts in the context
of data management, I have done a blog post that explains some of my
thinking on the topic:
http://kcoyle.blogspot.com/2012/05/rda-dbms-rdf.html
The
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All,
After
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