Re: [RDA-L] Cataloging Matters No. 16

2012-09-25 Thread Bernhard Eversberg
On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 11:25 PM, Brenndorfer, Thomas wrote: > > > The qualities one would look for in finding ways to expedite retrospective > cleanup is the use of batch change tools, and good advanced search (at the > SQL level ideally) tools for catalogers. Controlled terms and codes are much

Re: [RDA-L] Cataloging Matters No. 16

2012-09-25 Thread James Weinheimer
On 24/09/2012 22:19, Kevin M Randall wrote: > James Weinheimer wrote: >> In turn, I hope this helps you understand the importance of consistency in >> library catalogs and that to break that consistency has consequences, >> some of which may be difficult to foresee even for catalogers. > We must a

Re: [RDA-L] Cataloging Matters No. 16

2012-09-25 Thread James Weinheimer
Bernhard offered an excellent reply. I want only to mention: On 24/09/2012 23:25, Brenndorfer, Thomas wrote: > There is nothing new being added here. Retrospective conversion will > always be an issue with every new code or tag. This doesn’t begin or > end with RDA. Absolutely true. In my podca

Re: [RDA-L] Cataloging Matters No. 16

2012-09-25 Thread Bernhard Eversberg
Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 10:22 AM, James Weinheimer: > > Finally, the "less access" is not a false premise but an indisputable fact. > That must be acknowledged. To maintain that it is not less access is to > ignore reality. Perhaps some may claim that it is a sad, necessary step > toward the radiant

Re: [RDA-L] Cataloging Matters No. 16

2012-09-25 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
... >The more we get data in this form, the ***EASIER*** it will become. The more >we move to what is in RDA, with its >database-friendly (and therefore >ultimately user-friendly) approach, the ***EASIER*** it will become. >Perpetuating >bad practice for some false premise of “less access”

Re: [RDA-L] Cataloging Matters No. 16

2012-09-25 Thread Mike Tribby
> Perpetuating bad practice for some false premise of "less access" > based upon functionality that is entirely optional until one is ready > is incredibly bad advice. > >>Did Jim advise to stick with bad practice? No, but he had the temerity to appear to be questioning part of the sanctity of F

Re: [RDA-L] Cataloging Matters No. 16

2012-09-25 Thread James Weinheimer
On 25/09/2012 15:33, Brenndorfer, Thomas wrote: > In your case of 70% success on a conversion project, you also indicated that > this was also purely an automated conversion. I'm not under any such > illusions-- to get to 100% requires many reports on the data, and the listing > of all missing

[RDA-L] NISO Webinar: MARC and FRBR: Friends or Foes?

2012-09-25 Thread Cynthia Hodgson
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Re: [RDA-L] Cataloging Matters No. 16

2012-09-25 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
James, you’ve missed my main point--- Manual intervention occurs already. It has to – system upgrades often involve invoking new features, sometimes based on long stagnant data. Systems migrations to entirely new systems means rooting out all the workarounds and redoing a lot of work—it’s inev

Re: [RDA-L] Cataloging Matters No. 16

2012-09-25 Thread James Weinheimer
On 25/09/2012 16:32, Brenndorfer, Thomas wrote: > > James, you’ve missed my main point--- > > > > Manual intervention occurs already. > > > > It has to – system upgrades often involve invoking new features, > sometimes based on long stagnant data. > > > > Systems migrations to entirely new s

Re: [RDA-L] Cataloging Matters No. 16

2012-09-25 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
>I understand about manual interventions and I discussed them at some length in >my podcast. But as I pointed out >there, using different words: there are >manual interventions and MANUAL INTERVENTIONS. If the relator codes are to >be >made useful, there must be a number of MANUAL INTERVENTION

Re: [RDA-L] Consistency and 370 field

2012-09-25 Thread Paradis Daniel
Hi Adam, In a message posted to RDA-L more than two weeks ago, you wrote: "Even more strangely, at least one library is inputting the established forms of states, provinces, countries and adding a $2 naf even though RDA instructions in all of the instructions on recording these elements (e.g. 9

[RDA-L] Distributors

2012-09-25 Thread J. McRee Elrod
We've had a second case of the e-books of one publisher being distributed by a second publisher. We have had aggregattors of course, but this is sligtly different. One of the very few things we look forward to about RDA is 264 2 for distributor (as well as 264 0 for unpublished material). Whil

[RDA-L] Capitalization

2012-09-25 Thread John Hostage
Why are the terms in the examples for field of activity (9.15.1.3) and profession or occupation (9.16.1.3) capitalized? The RDA Editor's Guide (http://www.rda-jsc.org/working2.html#rda-edguide) says in 3.5 to follow appendix A for examples. I can't see anything in Appendix A that would call f

Re: [RDA-L] Capitalization

2012-09-25 Thread Kevin M Randall
John Hostage wrote: > Why are the terms in the examples for field of activity (9.15.1.3) and > profession or occupation (9.16.1.3) capitalized? The RDA Editor's Guide > (http://www.rda-jsc.org/working2.html#rda-edguide) says in 3.5 to follow > appendix A for examples. I can't see anything in App

Re: [RDA-L] Capitalization

2012-09-25 Thread John Hostage
Thanks, Kevin. It does seem unnecessary. -- John Hostage Authorities and Database Integrity Librarian Harvard Library--Information and Technical Services Langdell Hall 194 Cambridge, MA 02138 host...@law.harvard.edu +(1)(617) 495-3974 (voice) +(1)(617) 496-4

[RDA-L] JSC web site: Sept. 25 additions

2012-09-25 Thread JSC Secretary
The responses and documents listed below have been added to the JSC web site: http://www.rda-jsc.org/workingnew.html or http://www.rda-jsc.org/working1.html (click on proposal). Regards, Judy Kuhagen, JSC Secretary = = = = = 6JSC/ALA/12/ACOC response 6JSC/ALA/14/ACOC response 6JSC/ALA/15/ACOC r

Re: [RDA-L] Consistency and 370 field

2012-09-25 Thread Moore, Richard
Daniel I think you're right. But I'm not hugely confident that this is anything other than an omission, that could perhaps be rectified by a fast-track proposal to change RDA. Concerning "$2 naf", DCM:Z1 says in the notes on 370: "Use the established form of the geographic place name as found

Re: [RDA-L] Consistency and 370 field

2012-09-25 Thread Moore, Richard
John I agree, it is strange. The only hearsay explanation I have received, is that JSC thought at one point that if place names were recorded in 370 in "qualifier" form, then a clever system might be able to flip them into a corporate access point if the need arose for disambiguation. I'm not conv