Dear Diane
I would be interested in comparing notes with you on access points that
you come across, which can not be differentiated using RDA. While
remaining optimistic, we have certainly found cases within existing
undifferentiated records that will be problematic, and are considering
some
Adam
Except that LCSH occupation/profession headings are in the plural,
while RDA terms would be in the singular. I'm not at all sure that you
could singularize an LCSH heading and still code the subfield $2 of the
374 field for LCSH. What do others think about this?
I think that if we are to
13.05.2012 19:49, Karen Coyle:
After struggling for a long time with my frustration with the
difficulties of dealing with MARC, FRBR and RDA concepts in the
context of data management, I have done a blog post that explains
some of my thinking on the topic:
On 13/05/2012 19:49, Karen Coyle wrote:
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All,
After struggling for a long time with my frustration with the
difficulties of dealing with MARC, FRBR and RDA concepts in the
context of data management, I have done a blog post that explains some
of my thinking on the topic:
The authorized access point part of RDA is one of the carryovers from AACR2,
which we hope eventually will become unnecessary in a Scenario 1 environment,
other than as a default display form.
There are several areas of RDA that had to be carried over from AACR2 simply
because discussions with
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Now, RDA
Three possible scenarios are described in Tom Delsey's paper RDA Database
Implementation Scenarios available on the JSC web site
(http://www.rda-jsc.org/docs/5editor2rev.pdf).
Judy Kuhagen, Secretary
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On 5/14/12 2:29 AM, Bernhard Eversberg wrote:
It raises two questions, although you may not be in a position to
answer the second:
1. Would you advocate a restructuring of RDA to the effect that it
conforms with the relational model, or seamlessly lend itself to
implementations under
On 5/14/2012 10:45 AM, Karen Coyle wrote:
No, I'm saying that JSC made a claim that RDA was developed on RDBMS
principles
Where do you find this claim?
I've seen documentation that FRBR (and by extension RDA) was developed
based on entity-relational modelling.
That's not the same thing as
On 5/14/12 3:43 AM, Tillett, Barbara wrote:
The authorized access point part of RDA is one of the carryovers from AACR2, which we
hope eventually will become unnecessary in a Scenario 1 environment, other than as a
default display form.
Barbara, can you say more about this? Do you have
Karen said:
For example, many librarians expected that you could replicate a
card catalog display with records displaying in order by the heading
that was searched. That is really hard to do...
If I understnad what you mean, we had no difficulty doing this. One
example:
Mac, I'd love to see your file design. I did find an example of a record
that appears more than once in a single list, and I am wondering if you
had to replicate the record in the database to accomplish that, or if
you have another way to retrieve a record more than once on a single
keyword
[I will split my response in to several parts].
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 10:45 AM, Karen Coyle li...@kcoyle.net wrote:
What happened with the MARC format is that when we moved it into actual
databases it turned out that certain things that people expected or wanted
didn't really work well.
Karen asked:
Mac, I'd love to see your file design. I did find an example of a record
that appears more than once in a single list, and I am wondering if you
had to replicate the record in the database to accomplish that, or if
you have another way to retrieve a record more than once on a
I was asked this question:
When cataloging an e-book which is downloaded into Kindle from Amazon.com
(for example, a library circulates a
Kindle with lots of e-books loaded), what should I put into the 336, 337, 338
fields?
How about the e-books which are accessible through other no-computer
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 10:45 AM, Karen Coyle li...@kcoyle.net wrote:
What happened with the MARC format is that when we moved it into actual
databases it turned out that certain things that people expected or wanted
didn't really work well. For example, many librarians expected that you
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 2:18 PM, Karen Coyle li...@kcoyle.net wrote:
On 5/14/12 9:33 AM, Simon Spero wrote:
[I will split my response in to several parts].
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 10:45 AM, Karen Coyle li...@kcoyle.net wrote:
What happened with the MARC format is that when we moved it
I think the question is referring back to filing rules of the card catalog.
I'm not certain how closely they met the conditions of the strong reading
because I'm not entirely certain of the original query myself.
From the 1956 LC filing rules, p. 140 has the following statements regarding
the
Adam, when we cataloged kindles, nooks, we didn't find it at all obvious
that the media type should be computer. The definition says media used
to store electronic files designed for use with a computer which seemed
ambiguous to us. Especially since a similar dedicated device like an
mp3
Greta,
Thanks for your reply. Perhaps the definition of computer should be
changed to media used to store electronic files designed for use with a
computer or other computerized device. Is this something OLAC/CC:DA
should take up? What is clear is that it's an electronic file of some
kind
I would catalog a Kindle as an object (LDR/06=r), just like a circulating
laptop with software titles loaded. It's the equipment that is being cataloged,
and it's not being treated as the media for the content.
Content Type: three-dimensional form
Media Type: unmediated
Carrier Type: object
Adam,
I do not have a Kindle but I have some experience with the Nook and iPad. You
can transfer files (pdfs, mp3, and I assume mp4 files) from your computer to
your device using the USB. You can also use dropbox with the iPad to move
files, although a full length film may be too big. I have
When cataloging an e-book which is downloaded into Kindle from
Amazon.com (for example, a library circulates a Kindle with lots of
e-books loaded), what should I put into the 336, 337, 338 fields?
We intend to use:
336 $atext$2rdaontent
337 $aelectronic$2isbdmedia
338 $aequipment$2mricarrier
Mac, I did a search on the subject term France and on the 3d page of
hits (sorted by title) there were two titles that seemed to be for the
same item. Instead, they do turn out to be two records because there are
two volumes.
Here's the case that I'm trying to get to -- let's say you have a
Just a little clarification--we catalog the contents of the kindles,
rather than cataloging the Kindle itself as a piece of equipment, so we
do do it as text with essentially the Kindle as the carrier. However,
we did do the iPad as a piece of equipment.
greta
On 5/14/2012 2:47 PM, Greta de
Note to the majority of readers on RDA-L: you should feel no guilt in
skipping the rest of this thread. It has veered off into a technical
discussion that you may simply have no time (or use) for - kc
On 5/14/12 12:50 PM, Simon Spero wrote:
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 10:45 AM, Karen Coyle
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