Re: [RDA-L] Cataloging Matters No. 16

2012-09-25 Thread Bernhard Eversberg
On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 11:25 PM, Brenndorfer, Thomas tbrenndor...@library.guelph.on.ca wrote: The qualities one would look for in finding ways to expedite retrospective cleanup is the use of batch change tools, and good advanced search (at the SQL level ideally) tools for catalogers.

Re: [RDA-L] Cataloging Matters No. 16

2012-09-25 Thread James Weinheimer
On 24/09/2012 22:19, Kevin M Randall wrote: snip James Weinheimer wrote: In turn, I hope this helps you understand the importance of consistency in library catalogs and that to break that consistency has consequences, some of which may be difficult to foresee even for catalogers. We must also

Re: [RDA-L] Cataloging Matters No. 16

2012-09-25 Thread James Weinheimer
Bernhard offered an excellent reply. I want only to mention: On 24/09/2012 23:25, Brenndorfer, Thomas wrote: snip There is nothing new being added here. Retrospective conversion will always be an issue with every new code or tag. This doesn’t begin or end with RDA. /snip Absolutely true. In

Re: [RDA-L] Cataloging Matters No. 16

2012-09-25 Thread Bernhard Eversberg
Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 10:22 AM, James Weinheimer: Finally, the less access is not a false premise but an indisputable fact. That must be acknowledged. To maintain that it is not less access is to ignore reality. Perhaps some may claim that it is a sad, necessary step toward the radiant

Re: [RDA-L] Cataloging Matters No. 16

2012-09-25 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
... snip The more we get data in this form, the ***EASIER*** it will become. The more we move to what is in RDA, with its database-friendly (and therefore ultimately user-friendly) approach, the ***EASIER*** it will become. Perpetuating bad practice for some false premise of “less access”

Re: [RDA-L] Cataloging Matters No. 16

2012-09-25 Thread Mike Tribby
Perpetuating bad practice for some false premise of less access based upon functionality that is entirely optional until one is ready is incredibly bad advice. Did Jim advise to stick with bad practice? No, but he had the temerity to appear to be questioning part of the sanctity of FRBR,

Re: [RDA-L] Cataloging Matters No. 16

2012-09-25 Thread James Weinheimer
On 25/09/2012 15:33, Brenndorfer, Thomas wrote: snip In your case of 70% success on a conversion project, you also indicated that this was also purely an automated conversion. I'm not under any such illusions-- to get to 100% requires many reports on the data, and the listing of all missing

[RDA-L] NISO Webinar: MARC and FRBR: Friends or Foes?

2012-09-25 Thread Cynthia Hodgson
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Re: [RDA-L] Cataloging Matters No. 16

2012-09-25 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
James, you’ve missed my main point--- Manual intervention occurs already. It has to – system upgrades often involve invoking new features, sometimes based on long stagnant data. Systems migrations to entirely new systems means rooting out all the workarounds and redoing a lot of work—it’s

Re: [RDA-L] Cataloging Matters No. 16

2012-09-25 Thread James Weinheimer
On 25/09/2012 16:32, Brenndorfer, Thomas wrote: snip James, you’ve missed my main point--- Manual intervention occurs already. It has to – system upgrades often involve invoking new features, sometimes based on long stagnant data. Systems migrations to entirely new systems

Re: [RDA-L] Cataloging Matters No. 16

2012-09-25 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
I understand about manual interventions and I discussed them at some length in my podcast. But as I pointed out there, using different words: there are manual interventions and MANUAL INTERVENTIONS. If the relator codes are to be made useful, there must be a number of MANUAL INTERVENTIONS,

Re: [RDA-L] Consistency and 370 field

2012-09-25 Thread Paradis Daniel
Hi Adam, In a message posted to RDA-L more than two weeks ago, you wrote: Even more strangely, at least one library is inputting the established forms of states, provinces, countries and adding a $2 naf even though RDA instructions in all of the instructions on recording these elements (e.g.

[RDA-L] Distributors

2012-09-25 Thread J. McRee Elrod
We've had a second case of the e-books of one publisher being distributed by a second publisher. We have had aggregattors of course, but this is sligtly different. One of the very few things we look forward to about RDA is 264 2 for distributor (as well as 264 0 for unpublished material).

[RDA-L] Capitalization

2012-09-25 Thread John Hostage
Why are the terms in the examples for field of activity (9.15.1.3) and profession or occupation (9.16.1.3) capitalized? The RDA Editor's Guide (http://www.rda-jsc.org/working2.html#rda-edguide) says in 3.5 to follow appendix A for examples. I can't see anything in Appendix A that would call

Re: [RDA-L] Capitalization

2012-09-25 Thread Kevin M Randall
John Hostage wrote: Why are the terms in the examples for field of activity (9.15.1.3) and profession or occupation (9.16.1.3) capitalized? The RDA Editor's Guide (http://www.rda-jsc.org/working2.html#rda-edguide) says in 3.5 to follow appendix A for examples. I can't see anything in

Re: [RDA-L] Capitalization

2012-09-25 Thread John Hostage
Thanks, Kevin. It does seem unnecessary. -- John Hostage Authorities and Database Integrity Librarian Harvard Library--Information and Technical Services Langdell Hall 194 Cambridge, MA 02138 host...@law.harvard.edu +(1)(617) 495-3974 (voice) +(1)(617)

[RDA-L] JSC web site: Sept. 25 additions

2012-09-25 Thread JSC Secretary
The responses and documents listed below have been added to the JSC web site: http://www.rda-jsc.org/workingnew.html or http://www.rda-jsc.org/working1.html (click on proposal). Regards, Judy Kuhagen, JSC Secretary = = = = = 6JSC/ALA/12/ACOC response 6JSC/ALA/14/ACOC response 6JSC/ALA/15/ACOC