Re: [RDA-L] Corrected JSC agenda

2012-10-12 Thread Wojciech Siemaszkiewicz
I would like to point out to all the agenda of the Joint Steering Committee for Development of RDA (JSC) available below at the link. This mind boggling meeting will last from Monday morning, November 5th through Friday afternoon November 9th. This is 5 working days (morning till evening) or

Re: [RDA-L] 370 Russia, Federation ?

2012-10-12 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
For what it's worth this is why I'm not in favor the recommended practice of modifying the appearance of NAF controlled vocabulary items for 370 in case they get used as a qualifier. It blurs the distinction between a string and a thing. --Ben Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator

[RDA-L] RE : [RDA-L] 370 Russia, Federation ?

2012-10-12 Thread Paradis Daniel
Bob Maxwell wrote: Or perhaps we should record just Russia in 370? Is this a case like Adams (Iowa : Township), where we would just record Adams, Iowa in 370, dropping the type of jurisdiction qualifier (by NACO policy)? In AACR2, rule 24.4C1 explicitly asked not to include the additions to

Re: [RDA-L] 370 Russia, Federation ?

2012-10-12 Thread D. Brooking
I am rather confused about the purpose of the new 3xx fields in authority records. So I share Ben's unease. It seems that the needs of linked data, where you could ideally be using a URI to stand for a place name in a 370, doesn't mesh well with the need to recreate our (basically AACR2)

Re: [RDA-L] 370 Russia, Federation ?

2012-10-12 Thread Adam L. Schiff
Well, I would point out that this isn't a recommended practice, it is the RDA instruction in numerous chapters for recording various elements such as place of birth, place of death, location of headquarters, location of conference, etc. Any change to how we record the data in the MARC fields

Re: [RDA-L] 370 Russia, Federation ?

2012-10-12 Thread Larisa Walsh
Adam, University of Chicago catalogers asked LCHelp4RDA this very question long time ago. The response from LCHelp was to record names like Russia, Federation with a comma (no parentheses), based on the best practice (at the time) that geographic forms in 370 field should be in the authorized

Re: [RDA-L] 370 Russia, Federation ?

2012-10-12 Thread Larisa Walsh
This is where it gets even more confusing... Heading for Russia refers to a country that existed until 1917. Heading Russia (Federation) represents the country starting from 1991 only. So heading Russia cannot be used in 370 instead of Russia (Federation) as this heading is for a different

Re: [RDA-L] 370 Russia, Federation ?

2012-10-12 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
Adam, You're right about that (16.2.2.4), and I was wrong. But I wish there were a Lubetzky around to ask a certain question about that rule. --Ben Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137 -Original Message-

Re: [RDA-L] 370 Russia, Federation ?

2012-10-12 Thread James Weinheimer
On 12/10/2012 19:24, Larisa Walsh wrote: snip This is where it gets even more confusing... Heading for Russia refers to a country that existed until 1917. Heading Russia (Federation) represents the country starting from 1991 only. So heading Russia cannot be used in 370 instead of Russia

Re: [RDA-L] 370 Russia, Federation ?

2012-10-12 Thread John Hostage
LC-PCC PS for 11.3.1.3 says do not include the type of jurisdiction. DCM Z1 for field 370 says make the “same adjustments as when using the place name as a parenthetical qualifier to names.” AACR2 24.4C1 says “Do not include the additions to names of places prescribed in 24.6 when the names

[RDA-L] coloured illustrations

2012-10-12 Thread Matthew Wise
Greetings, As a new user of the RDA Toolkit, I have a stupid question. How do I encode in a MARC record that a book has, as AACR2 calls them, coloured illustrations, i.e., col. ill.? Instruction 7.15.1.3 tells me to record illustrations. Instruction 7.17.1.3 tells me to record colour. And the

Re: [RDA-L] coloured illustrations

2012-10-12 Thread Robert Maxwell
Matthew, You're right, RDA doesn't specify, because it considers these two separate elements and I imagine RDA would be fine with either of your formulations. The current practice is: $b color illustrations (or $b color illustration if there's just one). By the way, not colored

[RDA-L] RE : [RDA-L] 370 Russia, Federation ?

2012-10-12 Thread Paradis Daniel
The LC-PCC PS for 11.3.1.3 applies only to the element Place Associated with the Corporate Body, though. If the practice of omitting the type of jurisdiction is to be followed for all the elements that are recorded in field 370, I would suggest adopting a similar policy statement for 9.8 (Place

Re: [RDA-L] coloured illustrations

2012-10-12 Thread John Hostage
Color vs. colored sounds like the kind of distinction that we as catalogers love to make, but I think would be lost on our users. I don't know by whom colored would be taken to mean colored after publication; it could just as well mean colored before publication. Of course, col. ill. elided

[RDA-L] Conflicting info about 373

2012-10-12 Thread Adam L. Schiff
In the document MARC 21 encoding to accommodate new RDA elements 046 and 3XX in NARs and SARs (http://loc.gov/aba/pcc/rda/PCC%20RDA%20guidelines/RDA%20in%20NARs-SARs_PCC.pdf), which was updated in October 2012, under field 373 it says: Give the affiliation in the form found on the resource --