Re: [RDA-L] RDA instructions for accompanying material?

2013-03-14 Thread Ian Fairclough
RDA-L readers, A correspondent has sent the following privately: See RDA 3.1.4 and the associated LCPS for several options.  If you choose to describe the accompanying material, LCPS says you can either use a $e in the 300 of the primary content, or use a second 300 altogether. You can also

Re: [RDA-L] S-o-R/RDA 2.4.1.4

2013-03-14 Thread Joan Wang
Joan, I think you're assuming that an authority record will be created for every new name cataloged under RDA. In practice, I doubt this will happen.. Yes. You are right. The assumption seems to hardly happen :) If data can be transcribed as elements in categories, such as Author, Name:

Re: [RDA-L] RDA instructions for accompanying material?

2013-03-14 Thread John Williams
And can fields 344-347 (with an explanatory $3) also be used for accompanying material? John Williams Robert H. Evans Library Johns Hopkins University SAIS Bologna Center http://www.sais-jhu.edu From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access

Re: [RDA-L] RDA instructions for accompanying material?

2013-03-14 Thread Joan Wang
I think in 336-338 fields with $3. Do not know 344-347. Thanks, Joan Wang Illinois Heartland Library System On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 8:05 AM, John Williams jwilli...@johnshopkins.itwrote: And can fields 344-347 (with an explanatory $3) also be used for accompanying material? ** ** John

Re: [RDA-L] RDA instructions for accompanying material?

2013-03-14 Thread Joan Wang
I I have the same problem. I tried to find relevant rules for accompanying materials when I tried to prepare a comprehensive list of examples of 300 fields. The only thing I found in RDA Toolkit is Related Manifestations. I found it through the mapping of MARC fields to RDA under Tools. The term

Re: [RDA-L] Numbered and Unnumbered Sequences

2013-03-14 Thread M. E.
Ian Fairclough ifairclough43...@yahoo.com wrote: I found this as a pagination statement: [xvii], 219 pages The source has no initial sequence with roman numerals. I have not found instructions for use of brackets with supplied page numbering. Nor does the bibliographic record refer

Re: [RDA-L] RDA instructions for accompanying material?

2013-03-14 Thread M. E.
JOHN C ATTIG jx...@psu.edu wrote: I proposed this issue as a project to CC:DA, and there is a Task Force working to draft appropriate instructions for recording both contents notes and accompanying materials statements (and perhaps other things); a preliminary report of this Task Force (which

Re: [RDA-L] eBooks Playaways

2013-03-14 Thread M. E.
Ian Fairclough ifairclough43...@yahoo.com wrote: Granted that a Playaway can be judged as unmediated. But nevertheless, something that arose earlier in this discussion caught my attention: the suggested use of other with media type audio. Surely other is only established as controlled

Re: [RDA-L] RDA instructions for accompanying material?

2013-03-14 Thread Kevin M Randall
I'm not understanding what the difficulty is. Maybe it's how someone looks at a part of a resource? If the resource is primarily a book, and has a CD or DVD in a pocket, is that disc accompanying material or is it just a part of the resource? I myself wouldn't consider it an accompanying

Re: [RDA-L] S-o-R/RDA 2.4.1.4

2013-03-14 Thread M. E.
Joan Wang jw...@illinoisheartland.org wrote: If data can be transcribed as elements in categories, such as Author, Name: Date: Affiliation: , and then authority records could be automatically created. Is that right? Just my imagination :) Could be. So far in MARC, the 38x fields

Re: [RDA-L] Numbered and Unnumbered Sequences

2013-03-14 Thread Kathie Coblentz
On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 09:49:26 -0500, M. E. m.k.e.m...@gmail.com wrote: Ian Fairclough ifairclough43...@yahoo.com wrote: I found this as a pagination statement: [xvii], 219 pages The source has no initial sequence with roman numerals. I have not found instructions for use of brackets with

Re: [RDA-L] RDA instructions for accompanying material?

2013-03-14 Thread M. E.
On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 9:56 AM, M. E. m.k.e.m...@gmail.com wrote: I for one welcome the strawman proposal instruction 27.1.1.3.2.3 on page 23. As RDA stands now, book-ish accompanying material isn't handled well. I should clarify that last sentence: if following one of the ISBD options and

[RDA-L] eBooks Playaways

2013-03-14 Thread Ian Fairclough
RDA-L readers, Thanks to Mark Ehlert for the correction to my earlier post.  Here are the instructions he refers to.  Curiously, 3.2.1.3 has a table, but 3.3.1.3 does not.  6.9.1.3 has a table and also a link from the sentence to the head of the table. 3.2.1.3 RecordingMedia Type: If none of

Re: [RDA-L] eBooks Playaways

2013-03-14 Thread Joan Wang
Apparently it is not easy to make paragraphs and sentences consistent. I am kidding. Have fun :) Joan Wang Illinois Heartland Library System On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 11:20 AM, Ian Fairclough ifairclough43...@yahoo.com wrote: RDA-L readers, Thanks to Mark Ehlert for the correction to my

Re: [RDA-L] RDA instructions for accompanying material?

2013-03-14 Thread M. E.
Ian Fairclough ifairclough43...@yahoo.com wrote: Kevin Randall said I'm not understanding what the difficulty is. The difficulty was a couple of missing links in RDA Toolkit. I was not succeeding in getting to the right part of RDA (and in this case, LC PCC PS), namely 3.1.4. The redirects

[RDA-L] Technical report dates and publication

2013-03-14 Thread Arthur Liu
Hello RDA-L, I am unsure how to handle dates of publication for technical reports. Generally, technical reports bear a date in the format Month Year (e.g. December 2012) on the cover and/or technical report documentation page. (Many reports do not have a title page.) On the report, this bit of

Re: [RDA-L] Technical report dates and publication

2013-03-14 Thread M. E.
Arthur Liu art@gmail.com wrote: I am unsure how to handle dates of publication for technical reports. Generally, technical reports bear a date in the format Month Year (e.g. December 2012) on the cover and/or technical report documentation page. (Many reports do not have a title page.)

Re: [RDA-L] Technical report dates and publication

2013-03-14 Thread Joan Wang
All I am saying is under AACR2. If a date (Month Year) is a part of title, I will transcribe it in the title. I feel that it is sometimes important to differentiate a technical report by a specific date. I usually put only the year in 260 but with brackets, since I infer the publication year from

Re: [RDA-L] What goes where (was: S-o-R/RDA 2.4.1.4)

2013-03-14 Thread J. McRee Elrod
Mark said: So far in MARC, the 38x fields populate both bib and authority records; the 37x's only the authority. There's the issue too with how the authority's 6xx's map over to the bib side. Yes, we find what should be in an authority record, and what should be in the bibliographic record.

Re: [RDA-L] Double punctuation (was: Numbered and Unnumbered Sequences)

2013-03-14 Thread J. McRee Elrod
Ian posted: [xvii], 219 pages Isn't bracket-comma double punctuation? Are we to start putting a comma after city when supplying bracketed jurisdiction in 264$a? Does the comma before $erelator term replace a period at the end of an entry (unless an abbreviation) as does the comma before $d?

[RDA-L] Double punctuation (was: Numbered and Unnumbered Sequences)

2013-03-14 Thread Ian Fairclough
RDA-L readers, Just a follow-up to Mac Elrod's post.  I sent the original message in a state of being almost sure that I was looking at an erroneous situation.  After reading the responses, I became completely sure. Thanks to all of you who've responded to my several posts over the last 24