Re: [RDA-L] Statement of International Cataloguing Principles

2008-06-10 Thread James Weinheimer
on the capabilities of the computer system. Perhaps this is a small point, but I believe it needs to be kept in mind. James Weinheimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Director of Library and Information Services The American University of Rome via Pietro Roselli, 4 00153 Rome, Italy voice- 011 39 06 58330919 ext. 327

Re: [RDA-L] Statement of International Cataloguing Principles

2008-06-10 Thread James Weinheimer
this. James Weinheimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Director of Library and Information Services The American University of Rome via Pietro Roselli, 4 00153 Rome, Italy voice- 011 39 06 58330919 ext. 327 fax-011 39 06 58330992

Re: [RDA-L] RDA subscription costsFull draft of RDA delivered

2008-07-08 Thread James Weinheimer
to our discovery tools. Otherwise, we will be reduced to physical book retrieval systems. And once all the books go online, which will happen sooner or later, what then? James Weinheimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Director of Library and Information Services The American University of Rome via Pietro Roselli

Re: [RDA-L] Library of Congress response to LCWG

2008-07-17 Thread James Weinheimer
don't see it stopping anytime soon or even slowing down. James Weinheimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Director of Library and Information Services The American University of Rome via Pietro Roselli, 4 00153 Rome, Italy voice- 011 39 06 58330919 ext. 327 fax-011 39 06 58330992 -Original Message

Re: [RDA-L] Library of Congress response to LCWG

2008-07-18 Thread James Weinheimer
to FRBR, make a huge brouhaha about it, spend a lot of money, do an incredible amount of work and retraining, and it will change absolutely nothing at all. I'm afraid our patrons still won't use it. Why would they? James Weinheimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Director of Library and Information Services

Re: [RDA-L] Library of Congress response to LCWG

2008-07-21 Thread James Weinheimer
or FRBR, but increasingly, they both seem to me to be the wrong solutions to the wrong problems. James Weinheimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Director of Library and Information Services The American University of Rome via Pietro Roselli, 4 00153 Rome, Italy voice- 011 39 06 58330919 ext. 327 fax-011 39 06

Re: [RDA-L] Library of Congress response to LCWG

2008-07-21 Thread James Weinheimer
be a debatable point. I think in the future we will be forced to make these highly unpleasant compromises. James Weinheimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Director of Library and Information Services The American University of Rome via Pietro Roselli, 4 00153 Rome, Italy voice- 011 39 06 58330919 ext. 327 fax-011 39 06

Re: [RDA-L] Library of Congress response to LCWG

2008-07-22 Thread James Weinheimer
. An interesting discussion. James Weinheimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Director of Library and Information Services The American University of Rome via Pietro Roselli, 4 00153 Rome, Italy voice- 011 39 06 58330919 ext. 327 fax-011 39 06 58330992

Re: [RDA-L] FW: [RDA-L] Library of Congress response to LCWG

2008-07-22 Thread James Weinheimer
papyrus scroll to parchment). But digital is a highly delicate format in other ways. When I look at the ruins of the Palatine or the Forum, it can be frightening when you realize what could be lost in this relatively new format. James Weinheimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Director of Library and Information

Re: [RDA-L] Library of Congress response to LCWG

2008-07-23 Thread James Weinheimer
. This subordinate role may be what we are ordained to play, especially once everything (in practical terms) is on the web. I just don't know if this is a big enough role to justify our further existence in the long term. James Weinheimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Director of Library and Information Services

Re: [RDA-L] Linked files

2011-04-21 Thread James Weinheimer
, for this to work, it is important to keep in mind redundancy so that there are backups in case of failure. -- James Weinheimer weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com First Thus: http://catalogingmatters.blogspot.com/ Cooperative Cataloging Rules: http://sites.google.com/site/opencatalogingrules/

Re: [RDA-L] Linked files

2011-04-22 Thread James Weinheimer
%22stylesheet=/viaf/xsl/results.xslsortKeys=holdingscountmaximumRecords=100. This works for all forms. I think it would only take a change in mindset for this to work. There is a VIAF api right now, and I would like to try to implement it. Has anyone done so? -- James Weinheimer weinheimer.ji

Re: [RDA-L] Linked files

2011-04-25 Thread James Weinheimer
On 04/25/2011 04:27 PM, Jonathan Rochkind wrote: snip I agree entirely, controlled headings from authority files ARE a sort of archaic version of identifiers and should be considered as such. The thing is, that they aren't all that succesful as identifiers in the modern environment. For

Re: [RDA-L] Linked files

2011-04-25 Thread James Weinheimer
On 04/25/2011 05:56 PM, Jonathan Rochkind wrote: snip If you maintain the preferred display form as your _identifier_, then whenever the preferred display form changes, all those links will need to be changed. This is why contemporary computer-era identifier practice does NOT use preferred

Re: [RDA-L] Snoopy, Dr.

2011-04-27 Thread James Weinheimer
I have asked this before. If fictional characters are now handled as if they are real people, what does this mean for groups of fictitious characters such as X-Men, the Justice League of America, or the Fantastic Four? Are they now going to be handled under the rules for corporate bodies? And

Re: [RDA-L] Dr. Snoopy

2011-04-27 Thread James Weinheimer
Jonathan Rochkind wrote: snip But in cases where it is obvious what's going on it seems to me it would be preferable for the cataloger to act upon that. I am not a cataloger. What would they have do under AACR2? /snip The rules are not in AACR2 since fictitious characters were/are set

Re: [RDA-L] RDA capitalization and edition question (basic)

2011-04-27 Thread James Weinheimer
On 04/27/2011 10:56 PM, J. McRee Elrod wrote: snip RDA has as options upper case for the first letter of each word (if that way on the title page) or all caps if that way on the title page or captured (e.g., Onix) that way, or following a style manual. /snip According to the Onix Best

Re: [RDA-L] Dr. Snoopy

2011-04-28 Thread James Weinheimer
On 04/27/2011 10:40 PM, J. McRee Elrod wrote: snip This is one change I would like to see, but as an AACR2 revision rather than requiring a new set of rules. It would be advantageous to have a single main entry for Geronimo Stilton works, and have works produced under that pseudonym brought

Re: [RDA-L] Fictitious beings as pseudonyms

2011-04-28 Thread James Weinheimer
On 04/28/2011 05:10 PM, J. McRee Elrod wrote: snip But so long as we insist on Cuttering by main entry, the Chilton works will be scattered on the shelf. Finding the bibliographic records is not enough. We need to facilitate *physical* discovery. Many patrons bypass the catalogue and just

Re: [RDA-L] RDA MARC coding question

2011-04-28 Thread James Weinheimer
On 04/28/2011 09:50 PM, Gene Fieg wrote: snip Maybe I have misunderstood AACR2 all this time, but I was under the impression that if you had a publication date and it was the same as the copyright date, you did not need to use the copyright date. Is/Was that the case? And if so, if I am

Re: [RDA-L] RDA MARC coding question

2011-04-30 Thread James Weinheimer
On 04/29/2011 09:40 PM, Vosmek, John J. wrote: snip The condescension from RDA advocates toward RDA skeptics (implying - or sometimes stating outright - that the skeptics are just too closed-minded and thinking too inside-the-box to grasp the revolution in thinking that is RDA) probably

Re: [RDA-L] RDA MARC coding question

2011-04-30 Thread James Weinheimer
On 04/30/2011 03:40 PM, Brenndorfer, Thomas wrote: snip Data modeling should be done first. It is a top-down exercise. How would anyone know what one is talking about, or what is even possible with any encoding system, if entities aren't defined clearly, and the model isn't made explicit up

Re: [RDA-L] Latin, the dead language

2011-05-02 Thread James Weinheimer
Concerning the standard catalog abbreviations, I wish that people would stop thinking of them as Latin abbreviations and instead, as data that has been entered consistently in our records over many, many years. Because it has been, and consequently, it is a very valuable commodity. Thinking in

Re: [RDA-L] Latin, the dead language

2011-05-03 Thread James Weinheimer
On 05/03/2011 04:18 PM, John Hostage wrote: snip Although any string could conceivably be used as a code, Mac demonstrates the difficulty of using such strings as codes. If it depends on entering punctuation and capitalization correctly, it is unlikely to be data that has been entered

Re: [RDA-L] Apocrypha - make a proposal!

2011-05-10 Thread James Weinheimer
Concerning the changes to the Apocrypha, I wish the powers of modern computing could be employed to solve these matters. At its basis, I don't think that this issue is any different from any other authorized point: there is the conceptual consideration that everyone can more or less agree on:

Re: [RDA-L] Upper case in records (fwd)

2011-05-13 Thread James Weinheimer
Apologies for cross-posting, but this is pertinent to both lists. On 05/13/2011 02:09 AM, J. McRee Elrod wrote: snip On Autocat there has been a discussion of all upper case titles in RDA test records. Most find them objectionable, whether a result of take what you see, or ONIX harvesting.

Re: [RDA-L] [ACAT] Upper case in records

2011-05-18 Thread James Weinheimer
On 05/17/2011 10:43 PM, Jonathan Rochkind wrote: snip Yeah, if RDA _required_ all capital titles, that might be bad. I don't think anyone thinks all capital titles are preferable. But in the actual real world eco-system, where we're often going to be harvesting data from other sources rather

Re: [RDA-L] Plans for Existing Bib Records?

2011-05-19 Thread James Weinheimer
On 05/19/2011 07:22 PM, J. McRee Elrod wrote: snip Jennifer Sweda quoted the Paris Principles: ... when access is deliberately left out of the record for a given author, then the catalog will not be an efficient instrument to find out which works by a particular author ... RDA requires only

Re: [RDA-L] Plans for Existing Bib Records?

2011-05-20 Thread James Weinheimer
On 05/20/2011 04:20 PM, Christopher Cronin wrote: snip James Weinheimer wrote: It is simply unrealistic to think people will do more than the minimum. Is is? I have yet to hear of a single library in the test, or that subsequently implemented RDA, that has made a policy to limit description

Re: [RDA-L] Plans for Existing Bib Records?

2011-05-20 Thread James Weinheimer
On 05/20/2011 05:34 PM, Myers, John F. wrote: snip So, when AACR2 makes an arbitrary determination that a single author is good enough when there are more than three, it is OK. However, when RDA affords catalogers the option to follow that historical arbitrary determination to its logical end

Re: [RDA-L] LC's plans

2011-05-24 Thread James Weinheimer
On 05/24/2011 01:27 AM, J. McRee Elrod wrote: snip So it would seem both RDA implementation and MARC21 replacement is anticipated, and cataloguing as we know it will change dramatically, if not cease. /snip I don't know if this really anticipates RDA implementation, but it seems as if MARC's

Re: [RDA-L] Identifying RDA records

2011-06-01 Thread James Weinheimer
of records, necessitating formats going beyond MARC, that will probably mean something else, but so far, it seems to me that the records themselves can coexist. Unless I'm wrong? -- James Weinheimer weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com First Thus: http://catalogingmatters.blogspot.com/ Cooperative

Re: [RDA-L] Repeating 260$c for publication and copyright dates

2011-06-06 Thread James Weinheimer
, that is, far more useful than expecting everybody to change all their practices, or just saying that it's too complicated. -- James Weinheimer weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com First Thus: http://catalogingmatters.blogspot.com/ Cooperative Cataloging Rules: http://sites.google.com/site

Re: [RDA-L] Repeating 260$c for publication and copyright dates

2011-06-07 Thread James Weinheimer
. I think we have barely broken the surface of what could be done with the records are they stand now. -- James Weinheimer weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com First Thus: http://catalogingmatters.blogspot.com/ Cooperative Cataloging Rules: http://sites.google.com/site/opencatalogingrules/

Re: [RDA-L] Repeating 260$c for publication and copyright dates

2011-06-07 Thread James Weinheimer
to be progressive, but finding out what that means entails a lot of work and experimentation. Progress always did require work and experimentation, but especially so today. -- James Weinheimer weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com First Thus: http://catalogingmatters.blogspot.com/ Cooperative Cataloging

[RDA-L] New Cataloging Matters podcast

2011-06-10 Thread James Weinheimer
this with any others who may be interested. -- James Weinheimer weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com First Thus: http://catalogingmatters.blogspot.com/ Cooperative Cataloging Rules: http://sites.google.com/site/opencatalogingrules/

Re: [RDA-L] Proposed new 34X fields

2011-06-14 Thread James Weinheimer
seemed to me that the current records could probably have supplied essentially the same functions. -- James Weinheimer weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com First Thus: http://catalogingmatters.blogspot.com/ Cooperative Cataloging Rules: http://sites.google.com/site/opencatalogingrules/

Re: [RDA-L] Announcing the LC/NAL/NLM RDA Implementation decision

2011-06-15 Thread James Weinheimer
mentioned, therefore the library community is seen as being left with the choice of accepting RDA, no matter what the outcomes may be, or staying still, spinning our wheels in the mud of the past. Are those two choices really all we have? There absolutely must be another alternative! -- James

Re: [RDA-L] Suggested RDA improvements

2011-06-15 Thread James Weinheimer
exactly what the users liked about the records' clarity and completeness? -- James Weinheimer weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com First Thus: http://catalogingmatters.blogspot.com/ Cooperative Cataloging Rules: http://sites.google.com/site/opencatalogingrules/

[RDA-L] Cataloging Matters Podcast #11: Open Archives pt. 2

2011-06-16 Thread James Weinheimer
-pt.html It was already pretty much done and I thought it was important to bring this one out quickly. Please share this with others who may be interested. -- James Weinheimer weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com First Thus: http://catalogingmatters.blogspot.com/ Cooperative Cataloging Rules: http

Re: [RDA-L] AACR2 revisions due to delay in RDA

2011-06-16 Thread James Weinheimer
speak for the LCRIs, but I can't see any mechanism for further updates to AACR2. /snip Many always considered the LCRIs more or less as updates to AACR2, and now there is the option of the Cooperative Cataloging Rules, URL below. -- James Weinheimer weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com First Thus

[RDA-L] RDA Test Final Report

2011-06-20 Thread James Weinheimer
or concept as RDA does, are becoming anachronistic, since the actual textual forms are far less important than the concept URI, e.g. see http://viaf.org/viaf/35605/#John_Paul_II,_Pope,_1920-2005 -- James Weinheimer weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com First Thus: http://catalogingmatters.blogspot.com

Re: [RDA-L] Triumvirate of giants committed to scheming

2011-06-21 Thread James Weinheimer
attempt appears to be trying to coopt schema.org by putting it into RDF: http://schema.rdfs.org/ -- James Weinheimer weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com First Thus: http://catalogingmatters.blogspot.com/ Cooperative Cataloging Rules: http://sites.google.com/site/opencatalogingrules/

[RDA-L] Book chapter available Realities of Standards in the Twenty-First Century

2011-06-22 Thread James Weinheimer
available in the E-LIS open archive at http://hdl.handle.net/10760/15838 I did the scanning on a machine I had never used before, so everybody gets to see my fingers! Sorry about that, but ... -- James Weinheimer weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com First Thus: http://catalogingmatters.blogspot.com

Re: [RDA-L] Progress on tasks?

2011-07-24 Thread James Weinheimer
information dribble out and then presenting everyone with what is in essence a fait accompli that can be rejected only by admitting a huge waste, is a thing of the past, or at least it should be. -- James Weinheimer weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com First Thus: http://catalogingmatters.blogspot.com

Re: [RDA-L] RDA in XML - Question

2011-07-28 Thread James Weinheimer
that kind of information. Also, I don't know how unclear dates should be handled. -- James Weinheimer weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com First Thus: http://catalogingmatters.blogspot.com/ Cooperative Cataloging Rules: http://sites.google.com/site/opencatalogingrules/

Re: [RDA-L] Browse and search BNB open data

2011-08-03 Thread James Weinheimer
for the discussion. -- James Weinheimer weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com First Thus: http://catalogingmatters.blogspot.com/ Cooperative Cataloging Rules: http://sites.google.com/site/opencatalogingrules/

Re: [RDA-L] Article on RDA implementation

2011-08-04 Thread James Weinheimer
in the future. There are always options if and when people merely open their eyes and acknowledge them. -- James Weinheimer weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com First Thus: http://catalogingmatters.blogspot.com/ Cooperative Cataloging Rules: http://sites.google.com/site/opencatalogingrules/

Re: [RDA-L] XML vs. MARC

2011-08-04 Thread James Weinheimer
the MARC numbers to entire words) What role does, and should, the cataloger, with unique skills, play in such an environment? The cataloger should play a very, very big role, I think, but we must first consider what a cataloger does in ways that are different from the traditional roles. -- James

Re: [RDA-L] Browse and search BNB open data

2011-08-04 Thread James Weinheimer
meaning to people. My next podcast will deal with some of these distinctions in a funny way (I hope!). It should come out very soon, so watch for it! Ciao, Jim On 03/08/2011 19:07, Karen Coyle wrote: Quoting James Weinheimer weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com: While there is an undoubted loss

Re: [RDA-L] Browse and search BNB open data

2011-08-05 Thread James Weinheimer
On 04/08/2011 21:33, Karen Coyle wrote: snip But the rule is that mostly, you use the publication date of the first manifestation of the expression. (I can't find the rule for this right now, since I don't have access to a lot) The only example I can find right now is King Kong:

[RDA-L] Cataloging Matters Podcast #12

2011-08-05 Thread James Weinheimer
-podcast-12.html There is also a shorter version at http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/12351402/conversation-between-a-patron-and-the-library-catalog-short, and I think you'll see why. Please share this link with anyone you think may be interested. -- James Weinheimer weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com

Re: [RDA-L] Completeness of records

2011-08-07 Thread James Weinheimer
not be accepted on faith) and it is judged worthwhile to edit those records at the cost of doing other things that our patrons would prefer, such as cataloging more items, or perhaps cataloging more deeply, with better and more useful subjects and/or analysing more collections. -- James

Re: [RDA-L] Completeness of records

2011-08-08 Thread James Weinheimer
we could claim success: FRBR is now implemented! And at no real costs! Wouldn't THAT be nice to claim?!. Then we could move on to other discussions that would be more relevant to the genuine needs of the vast majority of our patrons. And thereby we would be helping ourselves. -- James

Re: [RDA-L] Completeness of records

2011-08-08 Thread James Weinheimer
the database, everything seems fine. Still, if they did as you mentioned, turning it into a switching file (or whatever it is called), making that openly available, it may work even then. -- James Weinheimer weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com First Thus: http://catalogingmatters.blogspot.com

Re: [RDA-L] Completeness of records

2011-08-08 Thread James Weinheimer
, that is the future and there is little we can do about it. Therefore, how can we fit into that scenario using the resources available now? What do we have to offer that no one else does? -- James Weinheimer weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com First Thus: http://catalogingmatters.blogspot.com/ Cooperative

Re: [RDA-L] Completeness of records

2011-08-08 Thread James Weinheimer
On 08/08/2011 19:00, Kevin M Randall wrote: snip James Weinheimer wrote: I suggest you listen to my podcast on Search. I was really hoping for something that could become part of the conversation *here*. I'm sure there are others who would appreciate it too. /snip That means redoing

Re: [RDA-L] Completeness of records

2011-08-09 Thread James Weinheimer
On 08/08/2011 23:42, Kevin M Randall wrote: snip James Weinheimer wrote: On 08/08/2011 19:00, Kevin M Randall wrote: I was really hoping for something that could become part of the conversation *here*. I'm sure there are others who would appreciate it too. /snip That means redoing an awful

Re: [RDA-L] Completeness of records

2011-08-10 Thread James Weinheimer
(as Richardson and his researchers did with the 180 characters), but instead, fashion tools to fit your data. Lucene allows this. -- James Weinheimer weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com First Thus: http://catalogingmatters.blogspot.com/ Cooperative Cataloging Rules: http://sites.google.com/site

[RDA-L] Cooperative Cataloging Rules Wiki include MRIs

2011-08-18 Thread James Weinheimer
. -- James Weinheimer weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com First Thus: http://catalogingmatters.blogspot.com/ Cooperative Cataloging Rules: http://sites.google.com/site/opencatalogingrules/

Re: [RDA-L] Justification of added entries

2011-08-22 Thread James Weinheimer
become ... most foul, strange, and unnatural. -- James Weinheimer weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com First Thus: http://catalogingmatters.blogspot.com/ Cooperative Cataloging Rules: http://sites.google.com/site/opencatalogingrules/

Re: [RDA-L] Justification of added entries

2011-08-22 Thread James Weinheimer
of coming up with a valid business plan, especially comparing it to research similar to the article What Students Don't Know. After all, if we are supposed to be worried about redundant information, shouldn't we be at least as concerned about information that goes unused? -- James Weinheimer

Re: [RDA-L] Justification of added entries

2011-08-23 Thread James Weinheimer
On 22/08/2011 20:28, Casey A Mullin wrote: snip Jim, you raise an interesting point with regards to the different functions of the 245c and the 700. However, I'm having a hard time reconciling this functional difference you cite with your subsequent comment about users' lack of ability in

Re: [RDA-L] Justification of added entries

2011-08-24 Thread James Weinheimer
On 23/08/2011 17:25, Kevin M Randall wrote: snip James Weinheimer wrote: When discussing practical issues, it's not out of place to mention that latest research reveals that user knowledge and abilities are very low. This article was just announced What Students Don't Know http

Re: [RDA-L] Justification of added entries

2011-08-25 Thread James Weinheimer
that. Still, cooperation with other databases that already have that information, e.g. IMDB, may be possible. Why redo the work that someone else has already done? I've already talked about abbreviations in earlier posts on some lists, somewhere. -- James Weinheimer weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com

Re: [RDA-L] Justification of added entries

2011-08-25 Thread James Weinheimer
on: what are the value-added services that the library can realistically supply? There is, after all, quite a bit of expertise in lots of the areas of the library that could be very useful to everyone concerned. -- James Weinheimer weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com First Thus: http

Re: [RDA-L] Justification of added entries

2011-08-26 Thread James Weinheimer
to interoperate, and this shows one step on the path toward the realization of one of those options. -- James Weinheimer weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com First Thus: http://catalogingmatters.blogspot.com/ Cooperative Cataloging Rules: http://sites.google.com/site/opencatalogingrules/

Re: [RDA-L] Justification of added entries

2011-08-26 Thread James Weinheimer
On 26/08/2011 13:00, hec...@dml.vic.edu.au wrote: snip Quoting James Weinheimer: Worldcat has made one step forward, and an important one, but there remains a lot to do since it still effectively hides many records from searchers. I think there are many options to try to interoperate

Re: [RDA-L] Justification of added entries

2011-08-31 Thread James Weinheimer
. After getting things to work more or less are they are supposed to, then there will be plenty of time to change the cataloging rules. -- James Weinheimer weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com First Thus: http://catalogingmatters.blogspot.com/ Cooperative Cataloging Rules: http://sites.google.com/site

Re: [RDA-L] Super MARC to code RDA?

2011-09-29 Thread James Weinheimer
. Developers refuse to work with the numbers and insist on the names--even in English. OK. Let them have it--they want our records and we want to share them (I hope). Let's save our strength for other battles and move forward. -- James Weinheimer weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com First Thus: http

Re: [RDA-L] Recording ISBNs for RDA records in Connexion

2011-10-06 Thread James Weinheimer
on a much more important level. The publisher cares only about the materials being published now, not those OP items. A logical idea at one time, but it no longer applies. -- James Weinheimer weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com First Thus: http://catalogingmatters.blogspot.com/ Cooperative Cataloging Rules

Re: [RDA-L] RDA 2.4.1.8 Noun Phrase Occurring with a Statement of Responsibility

2011-10-20 Thread James Weinheimer
what, I have no doubt that catalogers will continue to record it however they want. -- James Weinheimer weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com First Thus: http://catalogingmatters.blogspot.com/ Cooperative Cataloging Rules: http://sites.google.com/site/opencatalogingrules/

Re: [RDA-L] NISO offers itself as the standards body for future format

2011-11-02 Thread James Weinheimer
involved. -- James Weinheimer weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com First Thus: http://catalogingmatters.blogspot.com/ Cooperative Cataloging Rules: http://sites.google.com/site/opencatalogingrules/

Re: [RDA-L] Offlist reactions to the LC Bibliographic Framework statement

2011-11-04 Thread James Weinheimer
they or NISO comes up with, will *not* be ISO2709. I am not a betting man--I only bet on sure things. And while ISO2709 served its purpose, its time has passed. Of that, there is no doubt at all. I hope the new format comes out soon, but I doubt it. -- James Weinheimer weinheimer.ji

Re: [RDA-L] Offlist reactions to the LC Bibliographic Framework statement

2011-11-08 Thread James Weinheimer
, there will be all kinds of novel bibliographic structures that can be implemented. ISO2709 leads catalogers to think in certain ways about how information in structures. There is no need for that any longer. -- James Weinheimer weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com First Thus: http

Re: [RDA-L] Offlist reactions to the LC Bibliographic Framework statement

2011-11-09 Thread James Weinheimer
. Of course, in a regular business environment this sort of research would have been done at a very early stage, not at the very end. -- James Weinheimer weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com First Thus: http://catalogingmatters.blogspot.com/ Cooperative Cataloging Rules: http://sites.google.com/site

[RDA-L] Cataloging Matters Podcast #13

2012-01-04 Thread James Weinheimer
. -- *James Weinheimer* weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com *First Thus* http://catalogingmatters.blogspot.com/ *Cooperative Cataloging Rules* http://sites.google.com/site/opencatalogingrules/

Re: [RDA-L] Some comments on the Final Report of the FRBR Working Group on Aggregates

2012-01-06 Thread James Weinheimer
. The Working Group report at least mentions mashups but doesn't really discuss them. I don't blame them one bit since working mashups into the WEMI model will probably make dealing with aggregates in the printed world look like child's play. -- *James Weinheimer* weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com

Re: [RDA-L] Some comments on the Final Report of the FRBR Working Group on Aggregates

2012-01-06 Thread James Weinheimer
) It wasn't philosophical, it was totally pragmatic. The philosophical view grew out of the pragmatic basis. But the pragmatic basis should always take precedence over theory. -- *James Weinheimer* weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com *First Thus* http://catalogingmatters.blogspot.com/ *Cooperative Cataloging

Re: [RDA-L] Some comments on the Final Report of the FRBR Working Group on Aggregates

2012-01-07 Thread James Weinheimer
On 06/01/2012 20:34, J. McRee Elrod wrote: snip James Weinheimer said: Probably, the issue of aggregates is also more related to physical materials than to virtual resources. Absolutely not. While we first encountered the aggregate work problem with papers given at continuing education

Re: [RDA-L] Some comments on the Final Report of the FRBR Working Group on Aggregates

2012-01-12 Thread James Weinheimer
and methods and rules should be tested (should have been long ago) to discover if they meet the needs of the *public* better than what we have now. Still haven't seen it, but I won't bore everyone with going over that ground again. -- *James Weinheimer* weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com *First Thus

[RDA-L] Considerations on Linked Data (Was: Showing birth and death dates)

2012-01-28 Thread James Weinheimer
and convenient in theory, is all that great once it is transferred into reality. I remain highly skeptical until this is resolved. There are many other practical issues with linked data as well, but perhaps not quite so vital as this. -- *James Weinheimer* weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com *First Thus* http

Re: [RDA-L] Considerations on Linked Data (Was: Showing birth and death dates)

2012-01-30 Thread James Weinheimer
On 1/28/2012 6:51 PM, lists wrote: snip On 1/28/12 9:03 AM, James Weinheimer wrote: But concerning linked data: Accessing bits and pieces of bibliographic records in the cloud using URIs may be a good idea, or maybe not. Eliminating the need for multiple, redundant local databases may also

Re: [RDA-L] Period of activity - was Showing birth and death dates

2012-01-30 Thread James Weinheimer
to display issues. Thank you. -- *James Weinheimer* weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com *First Thus* http://catalogingmatters.blogspot.com/ *Cooperative Cataloging Rules* http://sites.google.com/site/opencatalogingrules/

[RDA-L] Is RDA the Only Way? An Alternative Option Through International Cooperation

2012-02-13 Thread James Weinheimer
, which is an excellent site. I also spoke recently at the conference Days of Knowledge Organization 2012 (or Kunnskapsorganisasjonsdagene 2012!) at the Oslo and Akershus University College of Applied Sciences in Norway. I will put that paper up as well in the next few days. -- *James Weinheimer

Re: [RDA-L] RDA as the collaboratively created way forward; was Is RDA the Only Way? An Alternative Option Through International Cooperation

2012-02-13 Thread James Weinheimer
looking instead of banging the tired old, FRBR user tasks drum. And far more interesting! Wait for the paper I gave in Oslo! -- *James Weinheimer* weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com *First Thus* http://catalogingmatters.blogspot.com/ *Cooperative Cataloging Rules* http://sites.google.com/site

Re: [RDA-L] RDA as the collaboratively created way forward[?]; was Is RDA the Only Way? An Alternative Option Through International Cooperation

2012-02-13 Thread James Weinheimer
to echo a mistake James Weinheimer made: We have to help users find what they are looking for when they don't already know an author or a title, and RDA doesn't help with this. /snip I can't find where I stated this. If I did actually say it, I would be surprised because I would say that RDA

Re: [RDA-L] RDA as the collaboratively created way forward[?]; was Is RDA the Only Way? An Alternative Option Through International Cooperation

2012-02-14 Thread James Weinheimer
On 13/02/2012 22:36, Brenndorfer, Thomas wrote: snip Also this statement seems to echo a mistake James Weinheimer made: We have to help users find what theyare looking for when they don't already know an author or a title, and RDA doesn't help with this. I can't find where I stated this Your

Re: [RDA-L] RDA as the collaboratively created way forward[?]; was Is RDA the Only Way? An Alternative Option Through International Cooperation

2012-02-14 Thread James Weinheimer
On 14/02/2012 16:36, Kevin M Randall wrote: snip James Weinheimer wrote: My stance is that the public does not want or need the FRBR user tasks in the vast majority of searches they make. I certainly don't need them most of the time, and I understand all of that better than 99.99

Re: [RDA-L] RDA as the collaboratively created way forward[?]; was Is RDA the Only Way? An Alternative Option Through International Cooperation

2012-02-14 Thread James Weinheimer
On 14/02/2012 19:14, Kevin M Randall wrote: snip James Weinheimer wrote: Do you know how you search when you are looking for information? I already wrote about this, on this list a few years ago, in fact in a reply to you, available at http://www.mail-archive.com/rda-l@listserv.lac- bac.gc.ca

Re: [RDA-L] RDA as the collaboratively created way forward[?]; was Is RDA the Only Way? An Alternative Option Through International Cooperation

2012-02-14 Thread James Weinheimer
type tools than ours. It is up for us to fit into that world, since they will never stop for us. There are a huge number of ideas we could do to try to make our records more useful to the populace than FRBR and RDA. But I have discussed this too many times already. -- *James Weinheimer

Re: [RDA-L] RDA as the collaboratively created way forward[?]; was Is RDA the Only Way? An Alternative Option Through International Cooperation

2012-02-15 Thread James Weinheimer
only through FRBR-colored glasses is not a road to the future, but can lead us only to extinction. We must adapt to whatever surprises and unpleasantness we find. -- *James Weinheimer* weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com *First Thus* http://catalogingmatters.blogspot.com/ *Cooperative Cataloging Rules

Re: [RDA-L] RDA as the collaboratively created way forward[?]; was Is RDA the Only Way? An Alternative Option Through International Cooperation

2012-02-15 Thread James Weinheimer
* than to *us* (although they are important to us), therefore the focus on making our catalogs more FRBR-friendly in today's environment will do much less good for our *users* than comparable work in many other areas. But I tire of stating the same points over and over again. -- *James

Re: [RDA-L] RDA as the collaboratively created way forward[?]; was Is RDA the Only Way? An Alternative Option Through International Cooperation

2012-02-16 Thread James Weinheimer
to spend all this money and devote all these resources, diverting money from staff and acquisitions to achieve it. I remain skeptical, but fine. Demonstrate it. Simply assuming something like that is just too much to ask. But that is called making a business case. -- *James Weinheimer

Re: [RDA-L] RDA as the collaboratively created way forward[?]; was Is RDA the Only Way? An Alternative Option Through International Cooperation

2012-02-16 Thread James Weinheimer
to supply those wants in various ways, based on what you currently have, your resources, and you can decide to set up a regular schedule of improvements. But of course, RDA does not seem to want to come up with a real business case. At least, I haven't seen it yet. -- *James Weinheimer

[RDA-L] RDA/FRBR and the Business Case; Was:RDA as the collaboratively created way forward[?]

2012-02-17 Thread James Weinheimer
different possibilities today to really make a difference. -- *James Weinheimer* weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com *First Thus* http://catalogingmatters.blogspot.com/ *Cooperative Cataloging Rules* http://sites.google.com/site/opencatalogingrules/ *Cataloging Matters Podcasts* http://blog.jweinheimer.net

[RDA-L] Revolution in our Minds: Seeing the World Anew

2012-02-20 Thread James Weinheimer
expanded on some themes that I introduced there. Please share this with anyone you may think may be interested. -- *James Weinheimer* weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com *First Thus* http://catalogingmatters.blogspot.com/ *Cooperative Cataloging Rules* http://sites.google.com/site/opencatalogingrules

Re: [RDA-L] Revolution in our Minds: Seeing the World Anew

2012-02-20 Thread James Weinheimer
On 20/02/2012 11:38, Bernhard Eversberg wrote: snip 20.02.2012 10:03, James Weinheimer: I just posted the paper on my blog that I gave in Oslo at the Oslo and Akershus University College of Applied Sciences on Feb. 2 of this year. http://blog.jweinheimer.net/2012/02/revolution-in-our-minds

Re: [RDA-L] Revolution in our Minds: Seeing the World Anew

2012-02-21 Thread James Weinheimer
good of an unproven theory. And it is, very definitely, an unproven theory, at least in reference to its validity to the public. Let there be no mistake about that. Some may believe they are immune to such pressures and they may be. For a time. -- *James Weinheimer* weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com

Re: [RDA-L] Revolution in our Minds: Seeing the World Anew

2012-02-21 Thread James Weinheimer
are discussing new computer coding, that's great. But it is a completely different discussion. -- *James Weinheimer* weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com *First Thus* http://catalogingmatters.blogspot.com/ *Cooperative Cataloging Rules* http://sites.google.com/site/opencatalogingrules/ *Cataloging Matters

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