Re: [RDA-L] 2.4.3.3 Parallel statements of responsibility

2013-04-02 Thread M. E.
Heidrun Wiesenmüller wiesenmuel...@hdm-stuttgart.de wrote: Well, let’s wait and see what Chris Oliver has come up with. I gather the rest of the reworded chapters should appear soon in the Toolkit (by the way, wasn't it announced that chapters 2 and 3 should be published in February?).

Re: [RDA-L] 2.4.3.3 Parallel statements of responsibility

2013-04-02 Thread M. E.
Heidrun Wiesenmüller wiesenmuel...@hdm-stuttgart.de wrote: But be that as it may: There is indeed an example for a grammatically incomplete s-o-r in the ISBD (which was news to me), and this must give us cause to think again (although of course we know that RDA deviates from the ISBD

[RDA-L] 2.4.3.3 Parallel statements of responsibility

2013-04-01 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
When a resource has parallel statements of responsibility on its chief source of information, but only the connecting words are parallel, not the names themselves, how does one treat this under RDA? E.g., what I see on the t.p.: Mit Beiträgen von/With contributions by ... hg. von/ed. by ...

Re: [RDA-L] 2.4.3.3 Parallel statements of responsibility

2013-04-01 Thread Heidrun Wiesenmüller
Ben, I think the / should indeed be replaced by a = according to 1.7.3, as it obviously is a case of parallel statements of responsibility (i.e. two different RDA elements). But I'd find it odd to have only Mit Beiträgen von as one of these statements of responsibility. As this is only an

Re: [RDA-L] 2.4.3.3 Parallel statements of responsibility

2013-04-01 Thread Deborah Fritz
Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Heidrun Wiesenmüller Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 2:12 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] 2.4.3.3 Parallel statements of responsibility Ben, I think the / should indeed be replaced by a = according

Re: [RDA-L] 2.4.3.3 Parallel statements of responsibility

2013-04-01 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
[mailto:RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca] On Behalf Of Heidrun Wiesenmüller Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 2:12 PM To: RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca Subject: Re: [RDA-L] 2.4.3.3 Parallel statements of responsibility Ben, I think the / should indeed be replaced by a = according to 1.7.3, as it obviously

Re: [RDA-L] 2.4.3.3 Parallel statements of responsibility

2013-04-01 Thread Heidrun Wiesenmüller
Libraries 617-253-7137 *From:*Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca] *On Behalf Of *Heidrun Wiesenmüller *Sent:* Monday, April 01, 2013 2:12 PM *To:* RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca *Subject:* Re: [RDA-L] 2.4.3.3 Parallel statements

Re: [RDA-L] 2.4.3.3 Parallel statements of responsibility

2013-04-01 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
To: RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca Subject: Re: [RDA-L] 2.4.3.3 Parallel statements of responsibility I'm afraid so, only I think it should start with mit instead of Mit (mit being a preposition which is not ordinarily capitalized). What a lovely example - I'm thrilled ;-) If you really were

Re: [RDA-L] 2.4.3.3 Parallel statements of responsibility

2013-04-01 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca] On Behalf Of Arakawa, Steven Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 3:36 PM To: RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca Subject: Re: [RDA-L] 2.4.3.3 Parallel statements of responsibility If you have a single title proper and statements of responsibility in multiple languages, I think 2.4.2.4

Re: [RDA-L] 2.4.3.3 Parallel statements of responsibility

2013-04-01 Thread Geoffrey Hooker
And a related question for those of us in Anglophone countries : would it be mit Beiträgen von Fernando Aguiar [and 88 others] or mit Beiträgen von Fernando Aguiar [und 88 andere] ? *Geoffrey Hooker * http://geoffreyhookermls.blogspot.com/ *It is dangerous to be right when the government is

Re: [RDA-L] 2.4.3.3 Parallel statements of responsibility

2013-04-01 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
and Access [mailto:RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca] On Behalf Of Heidrun Wiesenmüller Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 3:57 PM To: RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca Subject: Re: [RDA-L] 2.4.3.3 Parallel statements of responsibility Quite, but that doesn't mean that you cannot record the other statements

Re: [RDA-L] 2.4.3.3 Parallel statements of responsibility

2013-04-01 Thread Heidrun Wiesenmüller
Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca] *On Behalf Of *Arakawa, Steven *Sent:* Monday, April 01, 2013 3:36 PM *To:* RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca *Subject:* Re: [RDA-L] 2.4.3.3 Parallel statements of responsibility *If you have a single title proper

Re: [RDA-L] 2.4.3.3 Parallel statements of responsibility

2013-04-01 Thread Joan Wang
I think that the abridgment is a cataloger's decision. So it should be in the cataloging language, the language of the bibliographic record being created. Is that right? Joan Wang Illinois Heartland Library System On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 2:50 PM, Geoffrey Hooker hook...@gmail.com wrote: And a

Re: [RDA-L] 2.4.3.3 Parallel statements of responsibility

2013-04-01 Thread Arakawa, Steven
-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Heidrun Wiesenmüller Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 4:12 PM To: rd...@listserv.lac-BAC.G Subject: Re: [RDA-L] 2.4.3.3 Parallel statements of responsibility As I just said: It's really not well presented. But now I see that it's even worse than I thought. I still believe

Re: [RDA-L] 2.4.3.3 Parallel statements of responsibility

2013-04-01 Thread M. E.
Benjamin A Abrahamse babra...@mit.edu wrote: When a resource has parallel statements of responsibility on its chief source of information, but only the connecting words are parallel, not the names themselves, how does one treat this under RDA? Monkeywrench. An example from ISBD

Re: [RDA-L] 2.4.3.3 Parallel statements of responsibility

2013-04-01 Thread Heidrun Wiesenmüller
Mark, now that's an interesting point (I had to look up monkeywrench, though). The particular rule in the ISBD you mentioned seems to refer to a special situation: When it is not possible to give an appropriate statement of responsibility after each title or other title information, the