Re: [RDA-L] RDA & CIP

2013-04-13 Thread J. McRee Elrod
>So, would we just ignore CIP information that would normally go in a >transcription field? In most cases, the CIP information is in the LC or LAC record which was upgraded from a CIP one. We would not remove nor bracket that information; it is in the item. Of course one must be aware of earlie

Re: [RDA-L] RDA & CIP

2013-04-13 Thread Bryan Baldus
On Saturday, April 13, 2013 9:50 PM, Jacqueline Byrd wrote: >So, would we just ignore CIP information that would normally go in a >transcription field? It's not unusual for me to find an edition and/or series >statement only in the CIP. Is it best not to record information for these >fields if

Re: [RDA-L] RDA & CIP

2013-04-13 Thread Byrd, Jacqueline Jo
AM To: RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca Subject: Re: [RDA-L] RDA & CIP Dear Michael, I believe this is the LC-PCC PS you are looking for (2.2.2.1): LC practice/PCC practice: Do not consider pre-publication cataloging data (foreign or domestic) appearing in the item as a source of inform

Re: [RDA-L] RDA & CIP

2013-04-12 Thread Reser, Dave
DA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] RDA & CIP You consider it so, and others consider it not so. But my question is really what does RDA say about it, and if it is silent then do we need an LC-PCC PS to address this question.

Re: [RDA-L] RDA & CIP

2013-04-12 Thread Cindy Wolff
Isn't CIP data transfer supposed to be part of the automation in this process, especially from a bibframe perspective? Cindy Wolff > Honestly, I never have thought about that CIP is a reliable source. But > maybe I am wrong. Since Ian mentioned translation, I have a Chinese > translation joke.

Re: [RDA-L] RDA & CIP

2013-04-12 Thread Joan Wang
Honestly, I never have thought about that CIP is a reliable source. But maybe I am wrong. Since Ian mentioned translation, I have a Chinese translation joke. I have done several Chinese books for the Lincoln Presidential Library. These books all are thread-bound. One of matched OCLC records showed

[RDA-L] RDA & CIP

2013-04-12 Thread Ian Fairclough
RDA-L readers, Sometimes CIP for a previous edition is printed. In such cases you can take pertinent data, such as the LCCN (which is invalid, and should be coded so using subfield z, but is nevertheless usable as a search key) and include it in the record for the book in hand.  Once I had a

Re: [RDA-L] RDA & CIP

2013-04-11 Thread Frank Flintoff
n > Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 4:33 PM > To: RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca > Subject: Re: [RDA-L] RDA & CIP > > Haha. > > My librarian nearly had a fit when she discovered that I, as a new > cataloguing technician, was deriving edition statements from CIP info. >

Re: [RDA-L] RDA & CIP

2013-04-11 Thread Michael Cohen
You consider it so, and others consider it not so. But my question is really what does RDA say about it, and if it is silent then do we need an LC-PCC PS to address this question. On 4/11/2013 3:53 PM, J. McRee Elrod wrote: Subject: [RDA-L] RDA& CIP Is CIP data printed in the book &

Re: [RDA-L] RDA & CIP

2013-04-11 Thread J. McRee Elrod
>Subject: [RDA-L] RDA & CIP >Is CIP data printed in the book "part of the resource"? We consider it so. >Specifically, if the CIP includes an edition statement that does not >appear anywhere else in the volume, should it be included in the >bibliographic record?

Re: [RDA-L] RDA & CIP

2013-04-11 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
ginal Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca] On Behalf Of Karen Nelson Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 4:33 PM To: RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca Subject: Re: [RDA-L] RDA & CIP Haha. My librarian nearly had a fit

Re: [RDA-L] RDA & CIP

2013-04-11 Thread Karen Nelson
source Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Michael Cohen Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 12:41 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: [RDA-L] RDA & CIP Our previous local practice was to never consider CIP data prin

[RDA-L] RDA & CIP

2013-04-11 Thread Michael Cohen
Our previous local practice was to never consider CIP data printed in the book as part of the "other preliminaries" that were valid as a prescribed source of information under AACR2 2.0B2. RDA 2.2.2.1 says "Use as the preferred source of information a source forming part of the resource itself