Re: [RDA-L] When is a new serial record best for patrons?

2010-01-13 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
as major changes -- at least in national level records -- is that the cataloging was done before the introduction of major v. minor change rules in 2002. (And the fact that we generally do not go back and recatalog items when the rules change.) B Benjamin Abrahamse Head, Serials Cataloging

Re: [RDA-L] Question about RDA relationships (App. J)

2010-02-18 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
for thought, B Benjamin Abrahamse Head, Serials Cataloging Section Cataloging and Metadata Services MIT Libraries 617-253-7137 -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:rd...@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca] On Behalf Of Karen Coyle Sent: Thursday

Re: [RDA-L] latin, the dead language

2011-04-29 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
I was at a presentation on RDA yesterday where someone mentioned that they would like to be able to indicate that what was on the t.p. was not the correct form but that there wasn't an option to do so in RDA. So, absit omen... I guess [sic] is out, as well ? Benjamin Abrahamse

Re: [RDA-L] latin, the dead language

2011-04-29 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
around. --Ben Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca] On Behalf Of Brenndorfer, Thomas

Re: [RDA-L] [ACAT] Upper case in records

2011-05-16 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
that should be capitalized (proper nouns, German nouns, etc.) and things that shouldn't. If there is a program that does this… then I'd like to hear about it as well. .02, b Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137

Re: [RDA-L] Plans for Existing Bib Records?

2011-05-19 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
with, but it is what it is. That said, I am certainly interested in whatever automated conversion options might be available. --Ben From: J. McRee Elrod [m...@slc.bc.ca] Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 4:01 PM To: Benjamin A Abrahamse Cc: RDA-L@listserv.lac

[RDA-L] Rule of three (was RE: [RDA-L] Plans for Existing Bib Records?)

2011-05-20 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
, and identifying best practices for specific types of libraries and collections strikes me as more flexible and realistic. Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137 -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access

Re: [RDA-L] Radical proposal for RDA inclusions

2011-10-27 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
.] versus [place of publication not identified, etc. etc. But it may have to wait until we've managed to transition away from MARC as our encoding standard. Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137 -Original

Re: [RDA-L] Offlist reactions to the LC Bibliographic Framework statement

2011-11-09 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
be wrong-I'm far from an RDA expert.) --b Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137 From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca] On Behalf Of Billie Hackney

Re: [RDA-L] Tactile three-dimensional form

2011-11-14 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
Well, they come in several flavors, so you might have to do more than one. (Does RDA support flavors?) Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137 From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access

Re: [RDA-L] Showing birth and death dates

2012-01-19 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
?redirectedFrom=circa#eid – subs. req.): Around, round about, about. The prep. is often used in English with dates, as circa 1400 (c1400). --Ben Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137 From: Resource Description and Access

Re: [RDA-L] Showing birth and death dates

2012-01-27 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
) will able to tune its display according to local preference. But, we aren't there yet, and seems uncertain to me when we'll arrive. And when we do there will be a lot of unconverted data to deal with so it seems like it's still worth discussing the literals, as it were. Benjamin Abrahamse

Re: [RDA-L] Revolution in our Minds: Seeing the World Anew

2012-02-22 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
being ignored in order to get them to go sleep!) b Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137 -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@listserv.lac

[RDA-L] End of the T.P.?

2012-03-27 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
at the correct record for the piece. Anyone have any insights into why RDA does this? Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137

Re: [RDA-L] Fwd: [RDA-L] Undifferentiated personal names: call for community discussion

2012-04-02 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
, it can act as a parking lot for entities that are in need of further qualification. Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137 From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L

Re: [RDA-L] Undifferentiated personal names

2012-04-02 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
$a author $t History of South Dakota etc. Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137 -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca

[RDA-L] illustrations, some of which are colored

2012-08-30 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
to color illustrations. Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137

Re: [RDA-L] illustrations, some of which are colored

2012-08-30 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
Thanks, Bob. I was worried maybe there was a new prohibition on using parens in the physical description or something. Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137 From: Resource Description and Access / Resource

[RDA-L] Regarding copyright dates for multivolume publications

2012-09-12 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
I have found no guidance on this in RDA (not saying it's not in there, but searching for copyright or copyright date does not bring it up); so which is preferable? 264:x4:$c (c)1994-2010 or 264:x4:$c (c)1994-(c)2010 Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata

Re: [RDA-L] Regarding copyright dates for multivolume publications

2012-09-12 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
aspects (e.g., text, sound, graphics), record only the latest copyright date. The way I read that, a multivolume work would not be covered as it is entirely textual. Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137 -Original

Re: [RDA-L] Regarding copyright dates for multivolume publications

2012-09-12 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Benjamin A Abrahamse Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 11:39 To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Regarding copyright dates for multivolume publications Thanks for the response

Re: [RDA-L] Cataloging Matters No. 16

2012-09-20 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
sorted out would be a time consuming task--but it could provide a starting point. Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137

Re: [RDA-L] Cataloging Matters No. 16

2012-09-21 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
? Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137 -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca] On Behalf Of Mike Tribby Sent: Friday

[RDA-L] Question about example in RDA 18.5.1.3

2012-10-09 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
, and composer for Million dollar baby Can someone please explain why composer is qualified by expression? If he composed the music for the film, wouldn't he be considered composer of the work, not the expression? Thanks, Ben Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise

Re: [RDA-L] Question about example in RDA 18.5.1.3

2012-10-09 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
I guess my follow-up question would be: are users really going to get that, in a way that would be useful to them? Considering it flummoxed a room full of catalogers. Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137

Re: [RDA-L] Question about example in RDA 18.5.1.3

2012-10-09 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
Thanks for the answer. We'll keep trying to figure this out. :) b Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137 -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L

Re: [RDA-L] Question about example in RDA 18.5.1.3

2012-10-09 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
, as clearly you're correct. Just trying to understand how it's supposed to work. Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137 From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@listserv.lac

Re: [RDA-L] Question about example in RDA 18.5.1.3

2012-10-09 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
Lots to think about! Thanks everyone, --Ben Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137 -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca

Re: [RDA-L] 370 Russia, Federation ?

2012-10-12 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
For what it's worth this is why I'm not in favor the recommended practice of modifying the appearance of NAF controlled vocabulary items for 370 in case they get used as a qualifier. It blurs the distinction between a string and a thing. --Ben Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator

Re: [RDA-L] 370 Russia, Federation ?

2012-10-12 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
Adam, You're right about that (16.2.2.4), and I was wrong. But I wish there were a Lubetzky around to ask a certain question about that rule. --Ben Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137 -Original Message

[RDA-L] Question about relationship terms for contributors

2012-10-16 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
, would I have to use writer of added commentary (which is the closest fit, I think, though not quite the same) or could I use writer of preface, which is not on the list? Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137

Re: [RDA-L] Question about relationship terms for contributors

2012-10-16 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
Thanks for the replies and suggestions. --Ben Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137 -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@listserv.lac

Re: [RDA-L] Question about relationship terms for contributors

2012-10-16 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
. That would be perfectly adequate in this situation. (Though as Bob Maxwell points out I could borrow that from the MARC relators list.) Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137 -Original Message- From: Resource

Re: [RDA-L] Question about relationship terms for contributors

2012-10-16 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
(it seems to me) is more accurate, because it's a more general descriptor, than picking something from the list that is close but not quite. Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137 From: Resource Description and Access

Re: [RDA-L] RDA promoting the work entity?

2012-10-18 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
be sufficient just to identify a category of expression. --Ben Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137 -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@listserv.lac

Re: [RDA-L] Date of publication not identified DtSt, Dates

2012-10-22 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
I would point out that this is not what I'm seeing in OCLC. Most RDA records now seem to have Date status set to t (Publication date and copyright date) and both date fields filled out, accordingly. Whether there is a difference between pub. date and copyright date, or not. --Ben Benjamin

Re: [RDA-L] Date of publication not identified DtSt, Dates

2012-10-22 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
, not just in using them to identify books. I've certainly had my share of questions about the utility of some decisions that went into RDA, and its implementation; but for me at least this isn't one of them. Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems

Re: [RDA-L] Date of publication not identified DtSt, Dates

2012-10-23 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
When they differ, and the difference matters for retrieval, we do. Uniform titles (or, controlled access points for works and expressions). Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137 From: Resource Description and Access

[RDA-L] 264 and local distributors

2012-10-23 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
in North America This is not usually how materials specified is used but the current field definition seems to accommodate multiple, successive distributors with the first indicator, but not multiple synchronous distributors. --Ben Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata

Re: [RDA-L] Additional work required by RDA

2012-10-25 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
program but I don't think most users think of it that way. = Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137 From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca] On Behalf

Re: [RDA-L] Additional work required by RDA

2012-10-25 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
be answered, for computer games or otherwise, by the RDA content/media/carrier vocabulary.) --Ben Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137 -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource

Re: [RDA-L] Additional work required by RDA

2012-10-25 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
computer disc. The only way I've figured out to indicate DVD vs Blu-Ray or CD-ROM vs DVD-ROM is with a note. In any case this is an interesting discussion, so thank you. ==Ben Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137

Re: [RDA-L] Hardback paperback, and their ISBN

2012-11-16 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
.) ISBN 0-387-08266-2 (U.S.) ISBN 3-540-08266-2 (Germany) ISBN 0-684-14258-9 (bound) ISBN 0-684-14257-0 (pbk.) So I think you are ok to continue to record (pbk.) etc. --Ben Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137

[RDA-L] Folded unnumbered leaves, or Unnumbered folded leaves?

2012-12-10 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
to be consistent. --Ben Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137`

[RDA-L] Quick question re: abridgements in RDA

2012-12-11 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137

[RDA-L] Typo in the Toolkit

2012-12-21 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
Does anyone know who to contact about a typo in the RDA Toolkit? The following example under 6.2.3.5: ةليلو ةليل فل أ ةليلو ةليل فلأ بات English language form recorded as preferred title: Arabian nights The Arabic is backwards; it should be: اللف ليلة ولىلة etc. Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging

[RDA-L] Brackets for unnumbered pages in notes?

2012-12-21 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
(unnumbered page 67-page 69). ??? Thanks, --Ben Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137

Re: [RDA-L] Brackets for unnumbered pages in notes?

2012-12-21 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
You were following my mistake, which I don't (or at least I hope I don't) normally make in catalog records. Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137 From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access

Re: [RDA-L] Brackets for unnumbered pages in notes?

2012-12-21 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137 From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca] On Behalf Of Gene Fieg Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 4:00 PM To: RDA-L

Re: [RDA-L] Multiple electronic manifestations (was RE: [RDA-L] The purpose of standards)

2012-12-27 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
of the concept of related manifestations with respect to e-resources. Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137 -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L

Re: [RDA-L] RDA dtst t + a 260/264 muse on training question

2013-01-29 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
(which, whatever else it is, is closer to machine actionable data than our MARC records) the © symbol is not considered part of the data. (See: http://dublincore.org/documents/library-application-profile/index.shtml#DateCopyrighted) Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions

Re: [RDA-L] Carrier type Flipchart

2013-01-30 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
I think it refers to a type of childrens' (or educational) resource that is published and intended to be used in the classroom. E.g.: http://www.staples.com/Calendar-Time-Sing-Along-Flip-Chart-and-CD/product_753900?cid=PS:GooglePLAs:753900KPID=753900 Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator

Re: [RDA-L] RDA dtst t + a 260/264 muse on training question

2013-01-31 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
of rights by creators, etc., may determine what someone can do with the material, and the conditions under which agencies may make material available to the public) more than the find and identify functions. Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT

Re: [RDA-L] Carrier type Flipchart

2013-02-01 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
. Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137 -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca] On Behalf Of Heidrun Wiesenmüller Sent

Re: [RDA-L] Statement of responsibility naming more than three persons etc.

2013-02-06 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
I'm relieved to hear Dr Tillett say that this is allowed under RDA. Sometime you run across some truly gargantuan s-o-r's and sadly need to pick and choose whom to record. That said, I agree with Heidrun that neither the rules, as they currently exist in the Toolkit, nor the LC/PCC CPS,

Re: [RDA-L] Statement of responsibility naming more than three persons etc.

2013-02-07 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
. The heading for instruction 2.4.1.4 is Recording statements of responsibility but the first sentence in the instruction is, Transcribe a statement of responsibility. Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137 From: Resource

Re: [RDA-L] Statement of responsibility naming more than three persons etc.

2013-02-07 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
don't know. :) b Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137 -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca] On Behalf Of Kevin M Randall

Re: [RDA-L] Statement of responsibility naming more than three persons etc.

2013-02-07 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
, February 07, 2013 12:33 PM To: RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Statement of responsibility naming more than three persons etc. Benjamin A Abrahamse wrote: If we were expected to transcribe the statement of responsibility, not just record it, the use of the mark of omission would

Re: [RDA-L] Statement of responsibility naming more than three persons etc.

2013-02-08 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
It occurs to me that one of the advantages of the suggested [and n authors, including Joe and Bob] route, is that it would be fairly painless for institutions who don't care about Joe and Bob to rephrase the 245 $c in their local copy. Certainly easier than removing multiple [and] statements

Re: [RDA-L] Relators for contributors and consultants

2013-02-25 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
level term. For a lark I took all of the Appendix I relationship terms, mapped out their relationships to each other, and put them into a spreadsheet: bit.ly/Ymw4dt --Ben Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137

[RDA-L] Question re: Reporting errors in the toolkit

2013-02-26 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
I just want to double check that this is the appopriate place to report any errors we find in the RDA toolkit: http://www.rdatoolkit.org/support/open.php? The dropdown box Help topic does not seem to have an option for Report error or something similar. --Ben Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging

Re: [RDA-L] Typos in Titles

2013-03-07 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
I still don't understand why the JSC saw fit to get rid of the device, [sic] ,for bringing gattention to known typos or other minor mistakes in the title. I think most users understand what it means, even the ones who don't know Latin. --Ben Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator

Re: [RDA-L] Typos in Titles

2013-03-07 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
of practical, common sense in cataloging. --Ben Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137 From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca] On Behalf Of Joan Wang

Re: [RDA-L] Typos in Titles

2013-03-07 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
the effort in terms of better user outcomes? Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137 From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca] On Behalf Of Gene Fieg Sent

[RDA-L] Sic 'em! (was RE: [RDA-L] Typos in Titles)

2013-03-07 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
is to say while [sic] can be misused by overfussy catalogers, that in itself does not warrant getting rid of the practice altogether. b Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137 From: Resource Description and Access

Re: [RDA-L] Typos in Titles

2013-03-08 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
it really said, believe it or not. It does not necessarily mean, I know what this should say better than the author does. Which is sometimes true (in the case of typos) and sometimes not (in the case of rap artists' names, neologisms, puns, etc.) --Ben Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator

Re: [RDA-L] Typos in Titles

2013-03-08 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
years ago. The mandate is, Take what you see and any situation in which the cataloger might be expected or allowed to use their own knowledge and interpretive skills to provide a more useful transcription of a title page is deprecated. b Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions

[RDA-L] S-o-R/RDA 2.4.1.4

2013-03-11 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
. Whidden? To me at least the former looks like a mix of individuals and corporate bodies. And that is what 2.4.1.4 without the optional omission (which, unfortunately, LC and PCC don't seem to like) leads to. --Ben Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata

Re: [RDA-L] S-o-R/RDA 2.4.1.4

2013-03-11 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
practices include some discussion and examples of how to treat this. --Ben Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137 From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@listserv.lac

Re: [RDA-L] S-o-R/RDA 2.4.1.4

2013-03-12 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
is not. Since these cues are not available in a surrogate, the cataloger should be able (and encouraged) to use his or her editorial judgment. --Ben Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137 From: Resource Description

Re: [RDA-L] eBooks Playaways

2013-03-15 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
you do is flip a switch and watch it... --Ben Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137 -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca

Re: [RDA-L] Corrected DVD sample

2013-03-18 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
carrier type would still be videodisc.) b Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137 From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca] On Behalf Of Pam Withrow Sent

Re: [RDA-L] RDA and the Title Proper

2013-03-19 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
mean what follows is a subtitle is the type of intellectual labor catalogers do that, (a) provides an added value to the user; and (b) is not easily accomplished through automation. Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253

[RDA-L] Im Zweifelsfall

2013-03-19 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
the ones with the actual source of information in front of them. (If the cataloger does find themselves im Zweifelsfall, of course, it would also be a good idea to provide added-title access to both parts of the title with a 246:30.) Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions

Re: [RDA-L] New format reproductions and RDA

2013-03-28 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
534 or 7xx is better than nothing but I continue to think the old way (using 533 for the reproduction information, 260--now 264, for the publication information of the original) puts the bibliographical information that users are interested in where they are most likely to look. In my

[RDA-L] 2.4.3.3 Parallel statements of responsibility

2013-04-01 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
. by ... Is simply transcribing what I see enough, or should the / be replaced with = ? Mit Beiträgen von = With contributions by ... ; hg. von = ed. by Thanks, Ben Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137

Re: [RDA-L] 2.4.3.3 Parallel statements of responsibility

2013-04-01 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
[and eighty-eight others] = with contributions by Fernando Aguiar [and eighty-eight others] ?? --Ben Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137 From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access

Re: [RDA-L] 2.4.3.3 Parallel statements of responsibility

2013-04-01 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137 From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca] On Behalf Of Heidrun Wiesenmüller Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 3:07 PM

Re: [RDA-L] 2.4.3.3 Parallel statements of responsibility

2013-04-01 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
title proper, only parallel statements of responsibility.) So, what's going on here?? --Ben Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137 From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L

Re: [RDA-L] 2.4.3.3 Parallel statements of responsibility

2013-04-01 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
and images. We can always rely on poets and artists to muck up our neat categorizations of the world, can't we.) --Ben Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137 From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description

Re: [RDA-L] relationship designator and in cooperation with

2013-04-02 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
pipeline? --Ben Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137 From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca] On Behalf Of Deborah Fritz Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 10

[RDA-L] Relationships and comic books/graphic novels

2013-04-03 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
be considered an illustrator. --Ben Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137

Re: [RDA-L] Relationships and comic books/graphic novels

2013-04-04 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
producer of comics and graphic novels that our users are interested in is, of course, Japan. Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137 From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L

Re: [RDA-L] Place names in 370

2013-04-09 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
, because that's what RDA 16.2.2.4 says to do) instead of just copying the established NACO form as is. Seems to go against the grain of preferring controlled vocabulary for 3xx fields in authorities. --Ben Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT

Re: [RDA-L] Place names in 370

2013-04-09 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
to me that we are required to make the 370 values identical to 1xx geographic qualifiers, instead of just selecting the unambiguous, fully-qualified form from a controlled vodcabulary. Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253

Re: [RDA-L] RDA CIP

2013-04-11 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
I agree that CIP shouldn't be considered a source of information. (Though I imagine all of us have, in a pinch, grabbed the ISBN from CIP at one time or another.) Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137 -Original

Re: [RDA-L] Cataloging Matters no. 19: Library Catalogs and Information Architecture

2013-04-16 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
But one factor that brings the data together is the new library cataloging rule set, Resource Description Framework (RDF) This mistake was bound to happen eventually. I've always wondered if RDA was named RDA to catch some of the reflected glory of RDF. --b Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging

Re: [RDA-L] Initials in names of persons

2013-04-18 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
This practice almost certainly predates computer filing. In A.L.A. rules for filing cataloging cards (Chicago: ALA, 1942), p. 19, we see the example: Brown, A. G. --Ben Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137 From

[RDA-L] Copyright and similar regimes

2013-04-22 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
-in for publication date when such was not available. But RDA treats copyright as a separate data element, which suggests, to me at least, that we should be recording whatever rights statements we find, not just those couched as copyright. Any thoughts? --Ben Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator

Re: [RDA-L] cm period/no period and sample records

2013-04-25 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
centimeters. The good news I suppose is that it would be the rare user indeed who looks this carefully at a 300 field. --b Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137 From: Resource Description and Access / Resource

Re: [RDA-L] cm period/no period and sample records

2013-04-25 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
/wiki/Smoot). --Ben Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137 From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca] On Behalf Of Kevin M Randall Sent: Thursday, April 25

Re: [RDA-L] Periods in titles

2013-04-30 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
to be recorded as a different element and omitted. Then we can add the comma's, under the rubric Add punctuation, as necessary, for clarity. So I would imagine most catalogers would transcribe this as: Wollen, wissen, können : Gestaltung attraktiver Arbeitsplätze ... --Ben Benjamin Abrahamse

Re: [RDA-L] Periods in titles

2013-04-30 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
a conflict with ISBD punctuation, but that is largely after-the-fact. --Ben Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137 -Original Message- From: Resource

[RDA-L] FW: NACO question--qualifying conference names

2013-05-02 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
I sent this email to the pcc list almost three hours ago and it hasn't distributed. Maybe it got sequestered?? Anyways, if anyone has a good answer to my question below I'd appreciate it. --Ben Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT

Re: [RDA-L] Readability

2013-05-02 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
this See: Ranganathan's 5 Laws of Library Science, #4: Save the time of the user. :) --Ben Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137 From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L

Re: [RDA-L] Relationship designator for a conference

2013-05-03 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
with a better relationship term than that, as it is not very intuitive and I doubt a user would ever think of a conference as the author of a work. --Ben Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137 From: Resource Description

Re: [RDA-L] Relator term

2013-05-06 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
the terminology that is most important to them. My .02, Ben Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137 ___

[RDA-L] Non-arabic, non-roman numerals

2013-05-07 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
numerals, not our so-called Arabic numerals), Hebrew, Devanagari, etc. Thanks, Ben Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137

Re: [RDA-L] Size of PDF files

2013-05-23 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137 From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca] On Behalf Of John Hostage Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 9:27 AM To: RDA-L

Re: [RDA-L] help with 264 for self-published work

2013-06-04 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
form if the place of publication is not identified... etc., and likewise RDA 2.10.) And the date of manufacture will change as the years go by (remember, on-demand publications don't have print runs, they are one-off's) so I would probably leave it out. Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging

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