Re: [RDA-L] "Open development" : an example

2008-11-26 Thread Ed Jones
Thanks, Bernhard.  This is extremely useful in reviewing RDA.  One can
discover relatively easily whether the instructions work together or
whether additional modifications will be necessary.  In lieu of an
online RDA at this stage, your prototype is a godsend.

Ed Jones
National University (San Diego)

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Subject: [RDA-L] "Open development" : an example

A small demo example for what "open development" could do:

http://www.biblio.tu-bs.de/db/wtr/content.htm

Using modest, no-frills tools and designs, this offers browsing by rule
number, rule title, core elements, and keyword (all words from all
rules). Appendices are not included.

If you want to jump in directly to, say, rule 1.6.3, just say

http://www.biblio.tu-bs.de/db/wtr/page.php?urG=PAR&urS=1.6.3

This is _just_ for _demonstration_ purposes. It will be of little use
after the full software becomes available, and will then be
withdrawn. Presentation of rule texts is suboptimal, and it is not
possible to download any of it in a format usable by other software.
There are inaccuracies and some chapters are omitted.
The important parts are the browsable indexes. OTOH, it would be
possible to link from this presentation into the finalized online
version, provided it comes with an open linking interface.
Of course, lots more and a lot of very different and much better things
might be brought about by open development! There's a big chance here to
really open up to the metasphere at large.

If, however, open development should be excluded due to a reluctance to
make rule texts available for at least non-commercial re-use, as it is
with AACR2, success of RDA will be impeded and even a split of the
catalog sphere may very likely become unavoidable. This may well turn
out the most crucial stumbling block on the road to acceptance and
implementation. Esp., closed source text will hardly be accepted
in the DC arena, and that means the DC-RDA collaboration and the
outreach to "other communities" will remain academic or pie-in-the-sky.


B.Eversberg


Re: [RDA-L] "Open development" : an example

2008-11-25 Thread Weinheimer Jim
Attached to Bernhard's excellent prototype, I want to share something else. At: 
http://www.galileo.aur.it/opac-tmpl/npl/en/libweb/RDA-Koha-Example.html you 
will see a non-working copy of my Koha 2.2.7 entry input page. Koha is an 
open-source ILMS. By the way, Koha 3 has a much improved data entry page.

When you click on "2" in the left-hand corner, you will go to the 2xx fields, 
and under the 245 field, you will see how I can link into the appropriate areas 
of Bernhard's rules.

This is very quick and very dirty, but someone asked how long it would take to 
implement the system described by Bernhard. While expecting a company to 
implement something like this could take years (luckily months) this small 
example can serve as an example of how *frighteningly* fast open development 
can be. I could implement this right now, and I'm not even all that good at 
computer programming Someone who knows what they are doing could do something 
much, much better and much more efficiently. There are a lot of programmers out 
there who are positively itching to do something like this.

And when you add into all of this the cooperative comments from suggestions 
from people on such a list as this, the results can be unbelievably good.

But it must be open.

Jim Weinheimer

> A small demo example for what "open development" could do:
> 
> http://www.biblio.tu-bs.de/db/wtr/content.htm
> 
> Using modest, no-frills tools and designs, this offers browsing by rule
> number, rule title, core elements, and keyword (all words from all
> rules). Appendices are not included.
> 
> If you want to jump in directly to, say, rule 1.6.3, just say
> 
> http://www.biblio.tu-bs.de/db/wtr/page.php?urG=PAR&urS=1.6.3
> 
> This is _just_ for _demonstration_ purposes. It will be of little use
> after the full software becomes available, and will then be
> withdrawn. Presentation of rule texts is suboptimal, and it is not
> possible to download any of it in a format usable by other software.
> There are inaccuracies and some chapters are omitted.
> The important parts are the browsable indexes. OTOH, it would be
> possible to link from this presentation into the finalized online
> version, provided it comes with an open linking interface.
> Of course, lots more and a lot of very different and much better things
> might be brought about by open development! There's a big chance here to
> really open up to the metasphere at large.
> 
> If, however, open development should be excluded due to a reluctance to
> make rule texts available for at least non-commercial re-use, as it is
> with AACR2, success of RDA will be impeded and even a split of the
> catalog sphere may very likely become unavoidable. This may well turn
> out the most crucial stumbling block on the road to acceptance and
> implementation. Esp., closed source text will hardly be accepted
> in the DC arena, and that means the DC-RDA collaboration and the
> outreach to "other communities" will remain academic or
> pie-in-the-sky.
> 
> 
> B.Eversberg





Re: [RDA-L] "Open development" : an example

2008-11-25 Thread Dan Matei
> -Original Message-
> From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description
> and Access [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> Bernhard Eversberg
> Sent: 25 noiembrie 2008 10:02


> If, however, open development should be excluded due to a
> reluctance to make rule texts available for at least
> non-commercial re-use, as it is with AACR2, success of RDA
> will be impeded and even a split of the catalog sphere may
> very likely become unavoidable. This may well turn out the
> most crucial stumbling block on the road to acceptance and
> implementation. Esp., closed source text will hardly be
> accepted in the DC arena, and that means the DC-RDA
> collaboration and the outreach to "other communities" will
> remain academic or pie-in-the-sky.

Or an alternative "RDA-compatible" will apear (not out-of-the-blue, of course 
:-)

> B.Eversberg

Dan Matei





Dan Matei, director
CIMEC - Institutul de Memorie Culturala [Institute for Cultural Memory]
Pia?a Presei Libere nr. 1, CP 33-90
Bucure?ti [Bucharest], Romania
www.cimec.ro


[RDA-L] "Open development" : an example

2008-11-25 Thread Bernhard Eversberg

A small demo example for what "open development" could do:

http://www.biblio.tu-bs.de/db/wtr/content.htm

Using modest, no-frills tools and designs, this offers browsing by rule
number, rule title, core elements, and keyword (all words from all
rules). Appendices are not included.

If you want to jump in directly to, say, rule 1.6.3, just say

http://www.biblio.tu-bs.de/db/wtr/page.php?urG=PAR&urS=1.6.3

This is _just_ for _demonstration_ purposes. It will be of little use
after the full software becomes available, and will then be
withdrawn. Presentation of rule texts is suboptimal, and it is not
possible to download any of it in a format usable by other software.
There are inaccuracies and some chapters are omitted.
The important parts are the browsable indexes. OTOH, it would be
possible to link from this presentation into the finalized online
version, provided it comes with an open linking interface.
Of course, lots more and a lot of very different and much better things
might be brought about by open development! There's a big chance here to
really open up to the metasphere at large.

If, however, open development should be excluded due to a reluctance to
make rule texts available for at least non-commercial re-use, as it is
with AACR2, success of RDA will be impeded and even a split of the
catalog sphere may very likely become unavoidable. This may well turn
out the most crucial stumbling block on the road to acceptance and
implementation. Esp., closed source text will hardly be accepted
in the DC arena, and that means the DC-RDA collaboration and the
outreach to "other communities" will remain academic or pie-in-the-sky.


B.Eversberg