Re: [Rdkit-discuss] InChI to Mol to InChi

2018-12-18 Thread Christos Kannas
I would call it a "feature"... I guess running conformer optimization (i.e. ETKDG, UFF, MMFF94) after the embedding would be a good practice... > I think I do vaguely remember that InChI gives precedence to 3D coordinates if present over anything else for the determination of stereochemistry. I

Re: [Rdkit-discuss] InChI to Mol to InChi

2018-12-18 Thread Markus Sitzmann
I think I do vaguely remember that InChI gives precedence to 3D coordinates if present over anything else for the determination of stereochemistry. And I think that is what happens here: the Allchem embedding of the molecule adds 3D coordinates which are not present for the original molecule

Re: [Rdkit-discuss] InChI to Mol to InChi

2018-12-18 Thread Dimitri Maziuk via Rdkit-discuss
On 12/18/18 1:57 PM, JEAN-MARC NUZILLARD wrote: > Dimitri, how can alatis help me to find a first draft of 3D structure > for a few ten thousands of compounds from InChI strings? It won't, you have to feed it a 3D structure. However its InChI string and/or MOL block will give you the same 3D

Re: [Rdkit-discuss] InChI to Mol to InChi

2018-12-18 Thread JEAN-MARC NUZILLARD
Thank you Christos for confirming what I suspected about double bond geometry and thank you Jason for finding some logics in my observation. Dimitri, how can alatis help me to find a first draft of 3D structure for a few ten thousands of compounds from InChI strings? All the best, Jean-Marc

Re: [Rdkit-discuss] InChI to Mol to InChi

2018-12-18 Thread Dimitri Maziuk via Rdkit-discuss
On 12/18/18 11:34 AM, JEAN-MARC NUZILLARD wrote: > Molecules m1 and m2 have identical SMILES representations > but different InChI representations, which I find odd. *shrug* this is precisely why they came up with alatis: take a molecule in any input format, round-trip it through any

Re: [Rdkit-discuss] InChI to Mol to InChi

2018-12-18 Thread Jason Biggs
see https://github.com/rdkit/rdkit/issues/1852, and https://sourceforge.net/p/rdkit/mailman/message/36309813/ You can see it in the smiles if you remove stereo after embedding, then re-detect stereo from the conformation. inchi1 =

Re: [Rdkit-discuss] InChI to Mol to InChi

2018-12-18 Thread Christos Kannas
Hi Jean-Marc, There difference is due to bond orientation (if my inchi analysis skills are correct). See the bold bond layer below (14-7+ vs 14-7-). m1 ->

Re: [Rdkit-discuss] InChI to Mol to InChi

2018-12-18 Thread JEAN-MARC NUZILLARD
Thank you for your answer but alatis might not be adapted to my current problem. Attempting to understand what was changed by the embedding step I wrote: inchi1 =