Re: [Rdkit-discuss] Stereochemistry - Differences between RDKit & Indigo

2015-08-21 Thread Markus Sitzmann
conditions (rarely in the millions :-)) So, if I deal with something like implementing RDKit, things are probably always quite close to scenario 1, hence my suggestion to disregard stereochemistry on these type of N atoms (you need a lot of information from scenario 2 to even decide whether there is

Re: [Rdkit-discuss] Stereochemistry - Differences between RDKit & Indigo

2015-08-21 Thread James Davidson
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Re: [Rdkit-discuss] Stereochemistry - Differences between RDKit & Indigo

2015-08-20 Thread Markus Sitzmann
> > On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 10:30 AM, Greg Landrum > wrote: >> >> This isn't a simple one, so it may take a bit to get to an answer that's >> comprehensible. >> >> There are two things going on here in the RDKit: >> 1) Ring stereochemistry >

Re: [Rdkit-discuss] Stereochemistry - Differences between RDKit & Indigo

2015-08-20 Thread Peter Shenkin
get to an answer that's > comprehensible. > > There are two things going on here in the RDKit: > 1) Ring stereochemistry > 2) stereochemistry about nitrogen centers > > Let's start with the second, because it's easier: RDKit does not generally > "believe in&

Re: [Rdkit-discuss] Stereochemistry - Differences between RDKit & Indigo

2015-08-20 Thread Markus Sitzmann
o it may take a bit to get to an answer that's > comprehensible. > > There are two things going on here in the RDKit: > 1) Ring stereochemistry > 2) stereochemistry about nitrogen centers > > Let's start with the second, because it's easier: RDKit does not generally

Re: [Rdkit-discuss] Stereochemistry - Differences between RDKit & Indigo

2015-08-20 Thread Greg Landrum
This isn't a simple one, so it may take a bit to get to an answer that's comprehensible. There are two things going on here in the RDKit: 1) Ring stereochemistry 2) stereochemistry about nitrogen centers Let's start with the second, because it's easier: RDKit does not g

Re: [Rdkit-discuss] Stereochemistry - Differences between RDKit & Indigo

2015-08-20 Thread Rob Smith
h due to inversion I can understand) and interpreting it as having only two chiral centers (which is correct). What is confusing me, is that when I supply RDKit with the canonical smiles string from Indigo (which has the conformer "encoded" in it), and then ask for the isomeric canonical

Re: [Rdkit-discuss] Stereochemistry - Differences between RDKit & Indigo

2015-08-20 Thread Markus Sitzmann
e para position to the nitrogen >> >> For the record just tested and ChemAxon/CDK/OpenBabel do the same. >> >> John >> >> Regards, >> John W May >> john.wilkinson...@gmail.com >> >>> On 19 August 2015 at 09:00, Rob Smith wrote: >>>

Re: [Rdkit-discuss] Stereochemistry - Differences between RDKit & Indigo

2015-08-19 Thread Greg Landrum
hat? Thanks, -greg On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 3:00 PM, Rob Smith wrote: > Dear RDKit community, > > I'm trying to use RDKit to read in Corina generated stereoisomers (from a > Mol file), assign chiral tags and stereochemistry to the structure and > output the canonical smiles

Re: [Rdkit-discuss] Stereochemistry - Differences between RDKit & Indigo

2015-08-19 Thread Peter Shenkin
to use RDKit to read in Corina generated stereoisomers (from a >> Mol file), assign chiral tags and stereochemistry to the structure and >> output the canonical smiles string for each isomer of a given molecule (in >> Python), when I do this, half the canonical smiles strings are

Re: [Rdkit-discuss] Stereochemistry - Differences between RDKit & Indigo

2015-08-19 Thread John M
n I read in the output from Corina into an Indigo instance, then use > the canonical smiles from Indigo to create an RDKit molecule, canonical > smiles strings generated from the molecule objects are all unique. > > I may be missing an option to enable RDKit to 'visualise' the ch

[Rdkit-discuss] Stereochemistry - Differences between RDKit & Indigo

2015-08-19 Thread Rob Smith
Dear RDKit community, I'm trying to use RDKit to read in Corina generated stereoisomers (from a Mol file), assign chiral tags and stereochemistry to the structure and output the canonical smiles string for each isomer of a given molecule (in Python), when I do this, half the canonical s