Re: [RE-wrenches] PV and Roof Flammability

2010-09-23 Thread Bill Brooks
Joel, The problem is not with the rating of the modules. It is with the way we install them. The air gap is a problem. If HVAC systems were installed like PV modules, they would have the same problem. There will be changes of some sort coming in the next year or so. The IBC in 2012 will require

Re: [RE-wrenches] PV and Roof Flammability

2010-09-23 Thread Matt Lafferty
Hi Joel, Trying to compare HVAC equipment to PV in a roof covering flammability discussion is about the same as the proverbial apples to oranges. They are profoundly different. I will even go out on a limb and say the the PV industry lobbyists are probably foaming at the mouth more than HVAC

Re: [RE-wrenches] PV and Roof Flammability

2010-09-23 Thread Joel Davidson
Hello Bill, Thanks for the feedback. I need to learn more about this issue. I plan to attend the October 15th SolarABC meeting after the LA conference. Is 2012 IBC draft available? How can PV systems be classified, let alone fire-rated, when there is a seemingly infinite combination of

Re: [RE-wrenches] PV and Roof Flammability

2010-09-23 Thread Ryan LeBlanc
Good points all, Has anyone had an experience where you've seen new shingles and PV installed at the same time, where the shingles became prematurely brittle beneath the array, where you could say for sure it was PV's fault? I too have tried to keep an eye on that, but I never can pin it on PV,

Re: [RE-wrenches] PV and Roof Flammability

2010-09-23 Thread Michael Welch
Hi gang. It seems to me that an upward sloping gap between the flammable roofing materials and the PV modules would result in a chimney effect for any fire in the roofing materials whether the fire is a result of the PV system or not. Combine that with the modules blocking access to a roofing

Re: [RE-wrenches] PV and Roof Flammability

2010-09-23 Thread Matt Lafferty
Wrenches, I'm coming from a perspective of comparing beneath array areas to not beneath array areas of the same roof. Regarding flammability, I don't really care what the source of ignition is in this conversation. I prefer to think that the PV isn't the cause, frankly. Would rather think in

Re: [RE-wrenches] PV and Roof Flammability

2010-09-23 Thread Darryl Thayer
Hi I forgot last summer I removed some modules that I had installed in the 1996? the roof had been damaged by hail. No damage to the modules, and the shingles under the modules looked great, and they did not look or feel brittle and the rest of the roof was beat up. --- On Thu, 9/23/10,

[RE-wrenches] deadly fall off of roof

2010-09-23 Thread Marco Mangelsdorf
A 30-year-old PV installer fell to his death back in April at job site in CA. He backed off of a roof accidentally and was not wearing any fall protection. I have the official report of the accident, but the multi-state full-service solar provider that has approximately 650 employees was not

[RE-wrenches] enphase D380

2010-09-23 Thread benn kilburn
wrenches,so i'm lining up a few installations using the newer Enphase D380 TwinPack microinverter and i'm just looking for any feedback or heads-up's before getting started. i'm not foreseeing any issues, it is looking fairly straight forward like the M190's but nonetheless, if any of you