Re: [RE-wrenches] PV harvest in grid-tied systems

2012-04-18 Thread David Katz
William I have a grid tie system with a Outback Radian and Xantrex 600 volt charge controller with 4kw of modules and it sells back flawlessly. I have revenue-grade monitoring on the system and I am very happy with the output. David Katz Sent from my iPhone On Apr 16, 2012, at 6:51 AM,

Re: [RE-wrenches] PV harvest in grid-tied systems

2012-04-18 Thread Bill Loesch
David, What did you choose for revenue-grade monitoring? Comments? Bill Loesch Solar 1 - Saint Louis Solar 314 631 1094 On 18-Apr-12 4:01 AM, David Katz wrote: William I have a grid tie system with a Outback Radian and Xantrex 600 volt charge controller with 4kw of modules and it sells

Re: [RE-wrenches] GFP and multiple charge controllers

2012-04-18 Thread Darryl Thayer
Nathan, the problem should not be in the size of the GFDI breaker, put the GFDI between the array and the charge controller.  certainly your array voltage is 100 or greater, meaning you have 45 amps of less through the breaker.   Also if you have a large array parallel the arrays, and run each

Re: [RE-wrenches] GFP and multiple charge controllers

2012-04-18 Thread jay peltz
Hi William, I agree with you on the GFP. There is a work around for the larger breaker size and that is to install a prebreaker from the array then to the GFP breaker then to the CC. You then get to work on the smallest breaker size for wiring, if my understanding of the code is correct. jay

[RE-wrenches] pressure switch question

2012-04-18 Thread jay peltz
HI All, I'm looking for a contact pressure gauge with built in switches. ( this is an example..http://www.indumart.com/P84.pdf) I am looking to turn on/off a hydro with pressure increase/decrease. But I just can't seem to find one to buy for anything less than $600. SPECs: switching 24vdc

Re: [RE-wrenches] PV harvest in grid-tied systems

2012-04-18 Thread David Katz
William I am using an Elkor meter with RS485 output connected to a SolarLog1000. There are two current transformers connected to the Elkor meter. I ran each wire from the 240 vac from the main load center through a current transformer to the Radian ac input. Then I ran the Ac output line from

Re: [RE-wrenches] PV harvest in grid-tied systems

2012-04-18 Thread toddcory
im curious david, how you measure the output of the radian since the system is grid tie/w battery backup. the only way i have seen to do this is with a kv2c meter on each 120 volt leg. is that how you are monitoring the output of the inverter? thanks, todd On Wednesday, April 18,

Re: [RE-wrenches] pressure switch question

2012-04-18 Thread toddcory
why not just use a well pump pressure switch? todd On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 8:29am, jay peltz j...@asis.com said: HI All, I'm looking for a contact pressure gauge with built in switches. ( this is an example..http://www.indumart.com/P84.pdf) I am looking to turn

Re: [RE-wrenches] PV harvest in grid-tied systems

2012-04-18 Thread Dana
We have a 7 year old Outback Dual GTFX 3624 system with around 1100 AHR of 24 volt battery backup supplied by 2400 PV watts - 1200 PV watts tracked [wins by 32% output over the fixed array] and 1200 PV watts fixed on the roof of our office. Consistently the utility back feed is 750-900 watts/hour

Re: [RE-wrenches] GFP and multiple charge controllers

2012-04-18 Thread Kent Osterberg
William, Square D used to make a QO breaker body without the overcurrent trip mechanism. Internally it just had the switch contacts and it was intended for use as a disconnect in locations where overcurrent protection was already provided. The reason I mention this is that the 80-amp PV GFP

[RE-wrenches] Washington made

2012-04-18 Thread Mark Dickson
Hello Wrenches, We have been asked to participate in a small bid on Washington State. I am having a hard time finding made in Washington grid-tied inverters and solar modules in order to fulfill their rebate requirements. So far I have come across Silicon Energy and Itek Energy. A

Re: [RE-wrenches] GFP and multiple charge controllers

2012-04-18 Thread b...@midnitesolar.com
A lot of good replies have come by here but here goes another one... The GFP cannot be used for dual purpose as a disconnect for battery or PV input and you are not allowed to un-ground the system by turning off the DC input or output breaker. 4 AWG should be fine for 80 amps. If you need/want

Re: [RE-wrenches] Washington made

2012-04-18 Thread Mark Dickson
I should have mentioned battery-less grid tied. Thanks! Best regards, Mark Dickson, NABCEP Certified Solar PV Installer T Oasis Montana Inc. _ From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Jonathan Hill Sent:

Re: [RE-wrenches] Washington made

2012-04-18 Thread Bill Hoffer
Mark Try http://bluefrogsolar.com/wa-made-solar-products I believe that they are now shipping a Washington made micro inverter. There is one other microinverter, but I do not believe that they have passed UL yet and have not gone public. Bill Hoffer Bill Hoffer PE NABCEP Certified Solar PV

Re: [RE-wrenches] GFP and multiple charge controllers

2012-04-18 Thread Kent Osterberg
William, There have been too many fires where GFP failed to operate correctly to argue that they are really good at what they are supposed to do. But, I think it is inappropriate to say they don't really work at all. How many fires could have or would have happened without the GFP devices?

Re: [RE-wrenches] GFP and multiple charge controllers

2012-04-18 Thread Darryl Thayer
Bob do you know of a 4x80 GFDI breaker?  Midnight has a 2X80 correct? and Outback has a 2X80    Wire size use the tap rule, 10 feet 10% of wire size.   From: b...@midnitesolar.com b...@midnitesolar.com To: RE-wrenches re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Sent:

Re: [RE-wrenches] GFP and multiple charge controllers

2012-04-18 Thread b...@midnitesolar.com
On 4/18/2012 4:41 PM, Darryl Thayer wrote: Bob do you know of a 4x80 GFDI breaker? Midnight has a 2X80 correct? No, but we have a 1 X 63 amp / 300 volt GFP that can be configured as 2 X 63 amp GFP. boB and Outback has a 2X80 Wire size use the tap rule, 10 feet 10% of wire size.

Re: [RE-wrenches] GFP and multiple charge controllers

2012-04-18 Thread Philip
Darryl, OutBack makes GFDI in single, double and quad pole flavors: 80 Amps per pole, 1/2 Amp between the ground and grounded conductor. The current method of ground fault protection is an imperfect beast, absolutely. However, it's been the industry standard and both the Code and standards

Re: [RE-wrenches] GFP and multiple charge controllers

2012-04-18 Thread Philip
Hi Kent, I wanted to add a little more re positive grounding. OutBack's communication structure, like many other manufacturers, is referenced to Negative. If you install multiple devices in a positive ground system and connect them together via a Hub and add disconnects/overcurrent protection

Re: [RE-wrenches] GFP and multiple charge controllers

2012-04-18 Thread b...@midnitesolar.com
Here is Robin's 2 cents worth on this subject In a PV input circuit to a charge controller that has a 63 or 80 amp DC-GFP, it is perfectly legal to use a small wire. That is because you will also have the appropriate sized breaker in series with the DC-GFP breaker. If you want to use

Re: [RE-wrenches] GFP and multiple charge controllers

2012-04-18 Thread Kent Osterberg
Phil, While using a dual GFDI to open both positive and negative array conductors is the safest thing to do in battery systems, and it is clearly compliant with 690.5 to do so, it is not consistent with the manufacturer's instructions or the device listing. So that leads back to a violation