Re: [RE-wrenches] SolarEdge with AC coupling / Sunny Island

2014-03-11 Thread August Goers
Hi Tom, I might be missing your question, but I believe that you would couple the SolarEdge inverter to the AC1 line of the Sunny Island, just like with any grid tie inverter. In other words, the SolarEdge inverter would tie into the critical loads panel that is fed by the Sunny Island. Best, Aug

Re: [RE-wrenches] 690.13(A) Mistake?

2014-03-11 Thread Brian Mehalic
Good catch! They made the same typo in 690.56(A) - referred to 690.31(F), not (G) - but it was corrected on the the Sept. 16th errata. Bound to happen when sections are getting shifted around so much. Here's a link to the nfpa page with the (so far two) errata sheets - there's several in 690 alr

[RE-wrenches] 690.13(A) Mistake?

2014-03-11 Thread Nathan Charles
Hi Wrenches, So I was reading through the handbook today and got confused on the exception to 690.13 which reads: 690.13(A) Exception: Installations that comply with 690.31(F) shall be permitted to have the disconnecting means located remote from the point of entry of the system conductors. That

Re: [RE-wrenches] Huge battery bank recommendation

2014-03-11 Thread Kirpal Khalsa
Ray.i do not have the link to the warrantyour salesman presented us with a variety of options ranging from 5 years upto 20 years.just like other manufacturers they had prorating levels with each option.If asked i am sure they will provide you with any information you want in regards

Re: [RE-wrenches] Huge battery bank recommendation

2014-03-11 Thread Allan Sindelar
Kirpal, I reviewed the link; thank you for this referral. I was surprised by the specified charge settings: while there's no bulk/absorption setting given, equalize is 2.33 - 2.40 vpc, or 53.5 - 57.6 v on a 48 v bank. This is what I would expect with VRLA batterie

Re: [RE-wrenches] NEC Plus

2014-03-11 Thread August Goers
I've got the Amazon Kindle version of the 2014 NEC. So far, I don't recommend it. You can login from any PC or a tablet/phone with the Kindle App but the formatting is confusing and I just generally find it hard to use. Hopefully the publisher will be improving the format. -August *From:* re-

Re: [RE-wrenches] Huge battery bank recommendation

2014-03-11 Thread Ray Walters
Hi Kirpal; I see that the SBS batteries are rated to 1200 cycles to 80% DOD, but I can't find the warranty on their website. Do you have a link to that? R.Ray Walters CTO, Solarray, Inc Nabcep Certified PV Installer, Licensed Master Electrician Solar Design Engineer 303 505-8760 On 3/11/2014

Re: [RE-wrenches] Huge battery bank recommendation

2014-03-11 Thread william
Mac: One option is steel tray batteries. Manufacturers include MK/Deka and Hawker. We are accepting delivery of 6 of the 1800 a/h Hawkers Friday. They are 2600 pounds each. We move them with a special narrow pallet jack. Here’s some photos: http://www.millersolar.com/public_html/MillerS

Re: [RE-wrenches] Huge battery bank recommendation

2014-03-11 Thread Kirpal Khalsa
Mac...good morningthat is a big battery bank!We have used the SBS Batteries for large battery banksThey offer multiple warranty options including upto 20 years. They are tubular plates with clear outer cases which make the electrolyte levels really easy to monitor and fillThey come

Re: [RE-wrenches] Huge battery bank recommendation

2014-03-11 Thread Mac Lewis
To clarify, this is for an off-grid application, 4 Sunny Islands, 30kW generator. On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 9:16 AM, August Goers wrote: > Mac, > > Is this for an off grid system? We're doing our first project with a Deka > Unigy II battery system but they are AGM and I believe only good for grid

Re: [RE-wrenches] Huge battery bank recommendation

2014-03-11 Thread August Goers
Mac, Is this for an off grid system? We're doing our first project with a Deka Unigy II battery system but they are AGM and I believe only good for grid tied battery backup or applications where you won't have a very deep depth of discharge: http://www.dekabatteries.com/assets/base/0919c.pdf Bes

Re: [RE-wrenches] Huge battery bank recommendation

2014-03-11 Thread Ray Walters
Consider the HUP Solar One battery, the 125-33. It has 2490 AH at the 20 hr rate. The warranty is for 2100 cycles to 80% DOD. Also most of the jumpers are included (bus bars within each 12 v group) We've had nothing but happy customers since we started using the HUPs. R.Ray Walters CTO, Sol

Re: [RE-wrenches] Huge battery bank recommendation

2014-03-11 Thread frenergy
As a side note, if you use the 2YS31 Surrettes, as I did for a single 48V string about a year ago. You may want to have them shipped from Canada as a batch. I'm almost certain that my pack of 24 2v cells was a mixture of manufacture dates, 3 of which were in the "distribution chain" for too lo

Re: [RE-wrenches] Huge battery bank recommendation

2014-03-11 Thread Roy Butler
We've used these batteries in a couple of high end off-grid jobs and they work great. Yes, they are around 280 pounds..but by afternoon, they're more like 325 ;-) The last system we installed had 48 of these. And as Tump said, allow plenty of time

Re: [RE-wrenches] Huge battery bank recommendation

2014-03-11 Thread Tump
Surrette YS 31s 2400Ahr X 3strings = 7200 2 volt IN plastic containment vessels. ~280Lbs/per On Mar 11, 2014, at 9:24 AM, Mac Lewis wrote: > Hi wrenches, > > I am consulting on a job that requires an 8000 Ahr battery bank. This is > quite a bit beyond my normal battery bank realm. What would

[RE-wrenches] SolarEdge with AC coupling / Sunny Island

2014-03-11 Thread Tom Lane
Does anyone have a diagram on how to AC couple SolarEdge Inverters that use the DC Optimizers to AC coupling with a Sunny Island like SMA 6048 . John Berdner started a link quite a while ago that I do not think included a diagram . John did mention that the SMA had the correct or best Algorithm

Re: [RE-wrenches] Huge battery bank recommendation

2014-03-11 Thread penobscotsolar
Mac, for this type of large system we typically use Surrette/Rolls 2YS31.They are 2430 ah. When we get into battery banks this large we typically only run two cells deep (front to back) for ease of maintenance. I hope your customer has some free time on their hands for maintenance. Remember, Surret

Re: [RE-wrenches] Huge battery bank recommendation

2014-03-11 Thread Mac Lewis
Good point Jason. To clarify this is a 48V system. Thanks On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 7:44 AM, Jason Szumlanski wrote: > Not that I have an answer for you, but I'm curious, too. You need to > specify voltage to get a good answer. > > Jason Szumlanski > > Fafco Solar > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 11, 201

Re: [RE-wrenches] Huge battery bank recommendation

2014-03-11 Thread Jason Szumlanski
Not that I have an answer for you, but I'm curious, too. You need to specify voltage to get a good answer. Jason Szumlanski Fafco Solar On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 9:24 AM, Mac Lewis wrote: > Hi wrenches, > > I am consulting on a job that requires an 8000 Ahr battery bank. This is > quite a b

[RE-wrenches] Huge battery bank recommendation

2014-03-11 Thread Mac Lewis
Hi wrenches, I am consulting on a job that requires an 8000 Ahr battery bank. This is quite a bit beyond my normal battery bank realm. What would you recommend for this? Thanks in advance -- Mac Lewis *"Yo solo sé que no sé nada." -Sócrates* ___