Re: [RE-wrenches] speaking of batteries

2024-04-23 Thread Howie Michaelson via RE-wrenches
I had the same experience as Jay as far as being marketed three idea that managed lithium batteries can jane several year age differences and still play well together, only to be told, after telling my clients the same, that most manufacturers don't recommend more than a year age differential

Re: [RE-wrenches] speaking of batteries

2024-04-23 Thread Darryl Thayer via RE-wrenches
If the batteries have a 10-year life, I don't think it would make much difference. LA batteries show an increase in internal resistance after a few recharges. Typically, the BMS in a Li battery will ensure at top balance all cells balance, If the batteries are being properly recharged. On Tue,

Re: [RE-wrenches] speaking of batteries

2024-04-23 Thread Peter Giroux via RE-wrenches
Jay Do not get me started. That is not what they told me when I was buying 1 to 2 per customer. Thay were very optimistic about growing a bank. Now they are saying something very different. Also their BMS boards, they do not hold up and now I have customers that have had numerous

Re: [RE-wrenches] Converting from transformer to transformerless

2024-04-23 Thread August Goers via RE-wrenches
Hi William, I'll rattle off a few notes based on some of my experiences: If I were to replace an old Sunny Boy transformer inverter with a modern transformerless inverter, what are the implications? *[August Goers] I'll forward you and the group an old SolarPro Magazine article called "Updates

[RE-wrenches] Converting from transformer to transformerless

2024-04-23 Thread William Miller via RE-wrenches
Friends: I researched this and got no clear answer: If I were to replace an old Sunny Boy transformer inverter with a modern transformerless inverter, what are the implications? I know I need PV rated or conduited feeders. Is PID an issue? Should I disable arc fault as a legacy entitlement or

Re: [RE-wrenches] 120 Vac and 12Vdc mixed distribution system

2024-04-23 Thread Jay via RE-wrenches
I’ve done this many times I use an Iota or power max charger to run the DC. Jay > On Apr 23, 2024, at 2:42 PM, Jason Szumlanski via RE-wrenches > wrote: > >  > I have an off-grid client who is working on replacing old equipment at a > cabin. He has a lot of 12 volt distribution in the

Re: [RE-wrenches] speaking of batteries

2024-04-23 Thread Steve Higgins via RE-wrenches
Even with LFP, mixing different-age batteries is still not the best idea. Even if using closed-loop communication, they can get out of balance pretty quickly, which will lead to all kinds of BMS issues. One of the reasons I suggest using a main positive and negative bus with breakers: You can

Re: [RE-wrenches] 120 Vac and 12Vdc mixed distribution system

2024-04-23 Thread Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar via RE-wrenches
Not being helpful but I walk away from these. It will come back to you. Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar "we go where powerlines don't" [1]https://offgridsolar1.com/ [2] [1] e-mail offgridso...@sti.net text 209 813 0060 On 2024-04-23 2:40 pm, Jason Szumlanski via RE-wrenches wrote: I have

[RE-wrenches] 120 Vac and 12Vdc mixed distribution system

2024-04-23 Thread Jason Szumlanski via RE-wrenches
I have an off-grid client who is working on replacing old equipment at a cabin. He has a lot of 12 volt distribution in the house for lighting, fans, and a 12 volt refrigerator. He also has 120 volt AC loads that run through a separate distribution panel where the only source is a 2000 Watt Honda

Re: [RE-wrenches] speaking of batteries

2024-04-23 Thread Maverick Brown via RE-wrenches
In a battery backup mostly float state with low cycle count, I’d add to a bank several years later. It’s really hard to say “several” since most LiFePO4 batteries haven’t been alive for that long. I’ve personally added 8 Pytes E-Box to 8 eFlex with no issue. The Schneider Insight even

Re: [RE-wrenches] Grid-Tied Radian Force Discharge

2024-04-23 Thread Steve Higgins via RE-wrenches
Yes, Grid Zero would work, but the customer wouldn't be selling power to the utility. You could program the Radan to sell more power by lowering the sell voltage. I would get aggressive with it for at least 20-30 cycles to see if you can recover some capacity. Ideally, to recover lost capacity

Re: [RE-wrenches] speaking of batteries

2024-04-23 Thread Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar via RE-wrenches
It depends on how the BMS shares with the new BMS. A state of life measurement, the charge algorithm, and ? has to account for this for them to charge and discharge well together. Pretty safe to say one year for many makes of battery. Kind of like bussbar use in large systems, is a way to

[RE-wrenches] speaking of batteries

2024-04-23 Thread jay via RE-wrenches
HI All Speaking of batteries I wonder what you all make of this. I was reading the Fortress battery manual and it says they don’t recommend adding new lithium batteries to older lithium batteries if the age is over 1 year difference. Thoughts? thanks jay

Re: [RE-wrenches] Grid-Tied Radian Force Discharge

2024-04-23 Thread Maverick Brown via RE-wrenches
You can do it in one of several easy ways.HPX mode on the Mate. High Battery transfer. When the battery voltage and/or SOC is above the setpoint drop the grid. When the battery voltage or state of charge goes below the setpoint pick up the grid. This case the Mate  is doing the driving. Also

[RE-wrenches] Grid-Tied Radian Force Discharge

2024-04-23 Thread Dave Tedeyan via RE-wrenches
Hi All, I have an AC coupled Radian that is used to back up certain loads when the grid is down. It is paired with the Northstar Blue (Outback) batteries. The system sits in float nearly all the time. During a recent grid outage, the batteries had less than half the capacity that I would have

Re: [RE-wrenches] PV/Charge Controller Troubleshoot Help

2024-04-23 Thread Kirk Herander via RE-wrenches
Same experience for me, Toast if reboot doesn't wake it up. On Tue, Apr 23, 2024 at 3:33 PM Howie Michaelson via RE-wrenches < re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote: > I've had several MX and FM failures (at least 5) over the years, often > with the output at zero. I don't know what actually

Re: [RE-wrenches] PV/Charge Controller Troubleshoot Help

2024-04-23 Thread Howie Michaelson via RE-wrenches
I've had several MX and FM failures (at least 5) over the years, often with the output at zero. I don't know what actually fails, but they just stop producing. I must admit, I don't remember if in all cases I tried resetting them to factory default, but my memory is when talking to Outback

Re: [RE-wrenches] PV/Charge Controller Troubleshoot Help

2024-04-23 Thread Ray Walters via RE-wrenches
Isn't that too much array power for an MX60?  Just based on the numbers you gave, it looks like over 3kw, which is 63 amps at 48vdc.  He didn't mention the actual PV module ratings, but I suspect its just way too much array power.  It might work for awhile, but its going to start cooking

Re: [RE-wrenches] PV/Charge Controller Troubleshoot Help

2024-04-23 Thread Todd Cory via RE-wrenches
My old MX60 said " hot" when the fan had failed.Todd "MX 2 Hot (Very rare) Either the MX60 is too hot or its internal temperature sensor is shorted. If this message appears, carefully check if the MX60’s heat sink is extremely hot. The heat generated by the MX60, and therefore its losses, is

Re: [RE-wrenches] PV/Charge Controller Troubleshoot Help

2024-04-23 Thread Jay via RE-wrenches
No error message for CC fan The fan should cycle from battery power off start up. I e never seen a CC produce zero watts. Reduced yes While the fan might be broken I don’t think that explains the issue. > On Apr 23, 2024, at 11:36 AM, William Miller via RE-wrenches > wrote: > > If the

Re: [RE-wrenches] PV/Charge Controller Troubleshoot Help

2024-04-23 Thread William Miller via RE-wrenches
If the fan fails would there be an error message? As always, I looked this up before posting. The manual is not clear on the matter. William Miller Solar 17395 Oak Road, Atascadero, CA 93422 805-438-5600 www.millersolar.com CA Lic. 773985 -Original Message- From: RE-wrenches

Re: [RE-wrenches] PV/Charge Controller Troubleshoot Help

2024-04-23 Thread Jim Gowdy via RE-wrenches
Thanks for the input. The battery is a 48v set up and without having the generator backup the voltage is starting to get to 46v and below. I hope I didn’t make a mistake, but I did a quick calc thinking about the input limits of the CC and got 2400w based on the solar panel nameplate which

Re: [RE-wrenches] PV/Charge Controller Troubleshoot Help

2024-04-23 Thread MDElectricSolar via RE-wrenches
It may be the fan. I had an FM 80 where the fan went bad that caused very limited solar production throughout the day. Michael D Nelson MD Electric & Solar, Inc. 707-684-0064 mobile 707-884-1862 office www.mdelectricsolar.com www.facebook.com/mdelectricandsolar > On Apr 23, 2024, at 6:54 AM,

Re: [RE-wrenches] PV/Charge Controller Troubleshoot Help

2024-04-23 Thread jay via RE-wrenches
HI Jim, The CC is sure suspect. You didn’t mention what the battery voltage is. Those CC have a hard PV watt input limit. You can try and set it back to factory default and then reprogram, sometimes that works. I don’t use the FM-60, but always the FM-80 because of the fan replacement.

[RE-wrenches] PV/Charge Controller Troubleshoot Help

2024-04-23 Thread Jim Gowdy via RE-wrenches
I'm troubleshooting the solar aspect of a small offgrid 120v outback system and need some opinions. The customer was complaining that the generator was running too much so I went out to their property and investigated. The solar array consists of 16 total panels (4 strings of 4). At the