Re: [RE-wrenches] AFCI disturbances. wire nuts

2014-07-02 Thread Gary Bassett
: Wednesday, June 25, 2014 2:31 PM To: RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] AFCI disturbances. wire nuts One other key to success with any splice method is giving the installers frequent training. Every few of months we bring some wire, wire nuts, strippers, and terminal blocks to our safety meeting

Re: [RE-wrenches] AFCI disturbances.

2014-06-25 Thread William Miller
millersolar.com 805-438-5600 -Original Message- From: RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Bob-O Schultze Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 11:16 AM To: RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] AFCI disturbances. Wire nuts on the DC side have been

Re: [RE-wrenches] AFCI disturbances.

2014-06-25 Thread Richard L Ratico
William, Would UL listed crimp sleeves be an acceptable substitute where you would otherwise use wirenuts? Dick Ratico Solarwind Electric --- You wrote: Bob-O: When you say verboten, what does that mean? Not kosher? Frowned upon? Disallowed by law??? I am quite curious about this

Re: [RE-wrenches] AFCI disturbances.

2014-06-25 Thread Bob-O Schultze
24, 2014 11:16 AM To: RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] AFCI disturbances. Wire nuts on the DC side have been verboten in Oregon for over a decade. IMO, copper split bolts wrapped with insulating then regular tape are the way to go. Back in the days of 12V system and no series fusing, we

Re: [RE-wrenches] AFCI disturbances.

2014-06-25 Thread William Miller
Richard: Possibly. I think I prefer din mount connector blocks. However, if a wire nut can arc internally a connector block might also. I am still wondering about this concept. William Miller Solar On Jun 25, 2014, at 6:09 AM, richard.l.rat...@valley.net (Richard L Ratico) wrote:

Re: [RE-wrenches] AFCI disturbances.

2014-06-25 Thread William Miller
Interesting. I like the idea of the extra oversight to ensure a quality install. William Miller Solar On Jun 25, 2014, at 7:59 AM, Bob-O Schultze bo...@electronconnection.com wrote: William, The agency that coughs up the incentive payments in OR inspects most PV systems after the

Re: [RE-wrenches] AFCI disturbances.

2014-06-25 Thread Bill Hoffer
William I agree with Bob-O, wire nuts are not the best choice for DC connections, for all the reasons he mentioned, but SMA claiming that wire nuts are causing arc faults seems like a long shot at covering up an arc fault detection nuisance tripping problem. IMHO AFCI protection circuits are

Re: [RE-wrenches] AFCI disturbances. wire nuts

2014-06-25 Thread August Goers
Of William Miller Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2014 8:40 AM To: RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] AFCI disturbances. Richard: Possibly. I think I prefer din mount connector blocks. However, if a wire nut can arc internally a connector block might also. I am still wondering about this concept

Re: [RE-wrenches] AFCI disturbances. wire nuts

2014-06-25 Thread Nathan Charles
To: RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] AFCI disturbances. Richard: Possibly. I think I prefer din mount connector blocks. However, if a wire nut can arc internally a connector block might also. I am still wondering about this concept. William Miller Solar On Jun 25, 2014, at 6:09 AM

Re: [RE-wrenches] AFCI disturbances. wire nuts

2014-06-25 Thread Ray Walters
...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of William Miller Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2014 8:40 AM To: RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] AFCI disturbances. Richard: Possibly. I think I prefer din mount connector blocks. However, if a wire nut can arc internally a connector block might also. I am still

Re: [RE-wrenches] AFCI disturbances. wire nuts

2014-06-25 Thread Ray Walters
8:40 AM To: RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] AFCI disturbances. Richard: Possibly. I think I prefer din mount connector blocks. However, if a wire nut can arc internally a connector block might also. I am still wondering about this concept. William

Re: [RE-wrenches] AFCI disturbances. wire nuts

2014-06-25 Thread August Goers
-wrenches *Subject:* Re: [RE-wrenches] AFCI disturbances. wire nuts I've had butt splices fail, due to a ratchet release type crimper that didn't pinch the wires tight enough. I now use a good old Klein crimper that puts a big indent on one side. The problem with this however, is that it damages

Re: [RE-wrenches] AFCI disturbances. wire nuts

2014-06-25 Thread Brian Mehalic
but in this case it sounds like I may not. Just my $0.02 Best, August -Original Message- From: RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of William Miller Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2014 8:40 AM To: RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] AFCI disturbances

Re: [RE-wrenches] AFCI disturbances. wire nuts

2014-06-25 Thread Nathan Charles
Best, August -Original Message- From: RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of William Miller Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2014 8:40 AM To: RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] AFCI disturbances. Richard: Possibly. I think I prefer din mount

Re: [RE-wrenches] AFCI disturbances. wire nuts

2014-06-25 Thread Jason Szumlanski
[mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of William Miller Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2014 8:40 AM To: RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] AFCI disturbances. Richard: Possibly. I think I prefer din mount connector blocks. However, if a wire nut can arc internally

Re: [RE-wrenches] AFCI disturbances.

2014-06-25 Thread Benn Kilburn
-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Bill Hoffer Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2014 9:13 AM To: RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] AFCI disturbances. William I agree with Bob-O, wire nuts are not the best choice for DC connections, for all the reasons he mentioned, but SMA

Re: [RE-wrenches] AFCI disturbances.

2014-06-24 Thread Steve Jefferson
delete the original and any copies of this email and any attachments thereto. Thank you. -Original Message- From: RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of William Miller Sent: Monday, June 23, 2014 3:40 PM To: RE-wrenches Subject: [RE-wrenches] AFCI

Re: [RE-wrenches] AFCI disturbances.

2014-06-24 Thread Jerry Shafer
Which inverters are you installing to replace the 2500U Jerry On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 3:39 PM, William Miller will...@millersolar.com wrote: Friends: We are starting to replace dying SB2500s with new units. The AFCI is giving us fits with disturbances. We are told we can not even use wire

Re: [RE-wrenches] AFCI disturbances.

2014-06-24 Thread William Miller
SB4000US. The next job is now underway with 4000US and 5000US units. William Miller Solar On Jun 24, 2014, at 9:03 AM, Jerry Shafer jerrysgarag...@gmail.com wrote: Which inverters are you installing to replace the 2500U Jerry ___ List

Re: [RE-wrenches] AFCI disturbances.

2014-06-24 Thread William Miller
Of William Miller Sent: Monday, June 23, 2014 3:40 PM To: RE-wrenches Subject: [RE-wrenches] AFCI disturbances. Friends: We are starting to replace dying SB2500s with new units. The AFCI is giving us fits with disturbances. We are told we can not even use wire nuts. Has anyone else dealt

Re: [RE-wrenches] AFCI disturbances.

2014-06-24 Thread Jerry Shafer
attachments thereto. Thank you. -Original Message- From: RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of William Miller Sent: Monday, June 23, 2014 3:40 PM To: RE-wrenches Subject: [RE-wrenches] AFCI disturbances. Friends: We are starting to replace

Re: [RE-wrenches] AFCI disturbances.

2014-06-24 Thread Bob-O Schultze
copies of this email and any attachments thereto. Thank you. -Original Message- From: RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of William Miller Sent: Monday, June 23, 2014 3:40 PM To: RE-wrenches Subject: [RE-wrenches] AFCI disturbances

[RE-wrenches] AFCI disturbances.

2014-06-23 Thread William Miller
Friends: We are starting to replace dying SB2500s with new units. The AFCI is giving us fits with disturbances. We are told we can not even use wire nuts. Has anyone else dealt with this? What have you learned? Thanks in advance. William Miller Solar