Re: [RE-wrenches] Ilsco SGB bonding lug

2012-09-07 Thread Bob-O Schultze
A downside might be that the SS screw will corrode into the AL lug and won't ever unscrew after 9 months or so in the weather unless you put some sort of anti-seize on it. This tip also applies to S5! clips. I got it from the S5! tech guy. Bob-o On Aug 27, 2012, at 7:37 PM, David Brearley

Re: [RE-wrenches] Ilsco SGB bonding lug

2012-08-28 Thread Jason Szumlanski
The WEEB-LUG is great for rail bonding: http://www.we-llc.com/grounding-lug.html It is UL467, marked Outdoor Use, made of tin-plated copper. The only disadvantage is that the stainless steel clip must be sacrificed if the lug is moved - a disadvantage of all WEEB grounding products. Jason

[RE-wrenches] Ilsco SGB bonding lug

2012-08-27 Thread benn kilburn
Wrenches, What is your take on this product from Ilsco? It appears to be a good option for bonding module frames and has been suggested by a distributor for bonding rails as well…. But industry best practice has steered us away from using aluminum lugs in favour of tin-plated copper lugs. SGB

Re: [RE-wrenches] Ilsco SGB bonding lug

2012-08-27 Thread Brian Mehalic
I believe the UL467 listing means that it is rated for direct burial/outdoor use. Brian Mehalic NABCEP Certified Solar PV Installer™ R031508-59 IREC ISPQ Certified Affiliated Instructor/PV US-0132 PV Curriculum Developer and Instructor Solar Energy International http://www.solarenergy.org On

Re: [RE-wrenches] Ilsco SGB bonding lug

2012-08-27 Thread Jason Szumlanski
Grounding rods that are UL467 listed don't necessarily list outdoor rated as a specification. That is implied I believe. You probably wouldn't need these lugs for those indoor PV modules. :) I like the looks of that lug. However, I've been using WEEBs too long to go back now. Jason Szumlanski

Re: [RE-wrenches] Ilsco SGB bonding lug

2012-08-27 Thread Jay Peltz
Hi Brian Isn't another way to go: Use the AL lugs and AL grounding wire? Jay Peltz power Sent from my iPhone On Aug 27, 2012, at 12:53 PM, Brian Mehalic br...@solarenergy.org wrote: I believe the UL467 listing means that it is rated for direct burial/outdoor use. Brian Mehalic NABCEP

Re: [RE-wrenches] Ilsco SGB bonding lug

2012-08-27 Thread Bill Hoffer
Jay Seems to be the preferred method in salt spray environments like the South Pacific Islands! Copper and Aluminum don't play well together under those conditions Bill Hoffer On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Jay Peltz j...@asis.com wrote: Hi Brian Isn't another way to go: Use the AL lugs

Re: [RE-wrenches] Ilsco SGB bonding lug

2012-08-27 Thread David Brearley
Some of the aluminum lugs are indoor-rated. They have a set screw will rust in an outdoor environment. That's one of the classic John Wiles slides. I'd just watch out for that On Aug 27, 2012, at 3:04 PM, Jay Peltz wrote: Hi Brian Isn't another way to go: Use the AL lugs and AL

Re: [RE-wrenches] Ilsco SGB bonding lug

2012-08-27 Thread Jason Szumlanski
Yeah, but this one is marketed as a solar bonding lug. I think it's safe to say that it appropriately rated for outdoor use. It's always good to double-check, of course. Jason Szumlanski Fafco Solar On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 4:11 PM, David Brearley david.brear...@solarprofessional.com wrote:

Re: [RE-wrenches] Ilsco SGB bonding lug

2012-08-27 Thread David Brearley
Yes, sorry. I wasn't speaking of this lug...I like the redesign. Looks quicker and easier and robust. On Aug 27, 2012, at 3:17 PM, Jason Szumlanski wrote: Yeah, but this one is marketed as a solar bonding lug. I think it's safe to say that it appropriately rated for outdoor use. It's always

Re: [RE-wrenches] Ilsco SGB bonding lug

2012-08-27 Thread Gary Willett
Here's the Ilsco listing from UL, where it's classed as Grounding and Bonding Equipment:

Re: [RE-wrenches] Ilsco SGB bonding lug

2012-08-27 Thread William Miller
Benn: Good looking lug, looks very useful. It won't do any good on the Solar World Plus series unless they have the version 2.5 frame. The standard frame has no flange! William Miller At 12:49 PM 8/27/2012, you wrote: Wrenches, What is your take on this product from Ilsco? It appears

Re: [RE-wrenches] Ilsco SGB bonding lug

2012-08-27 Thread benn kilburn
Thanks for the feedback Wrenches, lots of interesting comments, However I'm still wonderingŠ.. How does one confirm that it is specifically approved for outdoor use? Other than assuming it is implied (because it is 'marketed' as a solar lug). As far as I can tell UL 467 does not imply outdoor

Re: [RE-wrenches] Ilsco SGB bonding lug

2012-08-27 Thread Kirpal Khalsa
Benn...it looks like that lug has stainless hardware for corrosion resistance as stated on the brochureThat would be the biggest consideration as David Brearly mentioned earlier in regards to rust potential. Stainless hardware and tin plating is equivalent to the WEEB lugsTin plating and

Re: [RE-wrenches] Ilsco SGB bonding lug

2012-08-27 Thread Exeltech
When in doubt .. ask the manufacturer. Dan --- On Mon, 8/27/12, Kirpal Khalsa solarwo...@gmail.com wrote: From: Kirpal Khalsa solarwo...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Ilsco SGB bonding lug To: RE-wrenches re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Date: Monday, August 27, 2012, 6:42 PM Benn

Re: [RE-wrenches] Ilsco SGB bonding lug

2012-08-27 Thread benn kilburn
Kirpal. The Ilsco lug GBL-4 also comes with a stainless steel set-screwŠ as stated hereŠ.GBL LAY-IN AL/CU http://ilsco.com/ProductsDetail.aspx?kfjkff=cjiDRFP14PUgtVid3pn1cQ%3d%3dfj jfhjhj=nY1wgyVO%2fE%2bFsQNfsmn%2f4OZ3BP5vHo5NcMahtvvHLIc%3d if that is all it takes to use the AL lug outdoors

Re: [RE-wrenches] Ilsco SGB bonding lug

2012-08-27 Thread Brian Mehalic
I think the tin plating is to minimize/eliminate galvanic corrosion. Tim plated aluminum - now that sounds smart! Typos courtesy of my iPhone. On Aug 27, 2012, at 8:52 PM, benn kilburn b...@daystarsolar.ca wrote: Kirpal. The Ilsco lug GBL-4 also comes with a stainless steel set-screw… as

Re: [RE-wrenches] Ilsco SGB bonding lug

2012-08-27 Thread Bill Brooks
it in place of the old ILSCO lay-in tin-copper lug. Bill. From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of William Miller Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 1:20 PM To: RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Ilsco SGB bonding lug

Re: [RE-wrenches] Ilsco SGB bonding lug

2012-08-27 Thread David Brearley
Yep. Definitely lower cost that tin-plated copper. Designed with PV frame grounding in mind. Lots to like On Aug 27, 2012, at 7:59 PM, Brian Mehalic wrote: I think the tin plating is to minimize/eliminate galvanic corrosion. Tim plated aluminum - now that sounds smart! Typos courtesy