Re: [RE-wrenches] P1 micro performance

2013-03-27 Thread Bill Brooks
. From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Carl Emerson Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 5:29 PM To: 'RE-wrenches' Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] P1 micro performance Friends, Keeping the record straight. I need to

Re: [RE-wrenches] P1 micro performance

2013-03-26 Thread Carl Emerson
Friends, Keeping the record straight. I need to say that I have had correspondence 'off list' from a development engineer from a prominent manufacturer who assures me that his product is designed to run 'flat out' 24/7. The unit in fact is just coasting at it's maximum power rating.

[RE-wrenches] P1 micro performance

2013-03-26 Thread Marco Mangelsdorf
Nick, Is Enphase going to be introducing to market any time in the near-term a new micro with a higher output? It seems very likely that the trend toward higher output mods will continue. The M215 will surely be left behind to a greater degree as this trend continues if there are higher and r

Re: [RE-wrenches] P1 micro performance

2013-03-25 Thread Nick Soleil
to a customer is like trying to explain photovoltaic equipment to the > general > public. > > As a competitor to Enphase .. I'm not coming to their defense. However, > what Nick said (below) IS fact. > > Whether you elect to believe this or not is up to you. > > > Reg

Re: [RE-wrenches] P1 micro performance

2013-03-25 Thread Dave Click
Marco, I still challenge those who believe that “some clipping is good” to make their case. Well, the way you've phrased it, you've made my job pretty easy-- though it seems to me that several folks have already done this for you. Some power limiting at some point over the 25-year life of

Re: [RE-wrenches] P1 micro performance

2013-03-25 Thread Bill Loesch
Fellow Wrenches, No stones from this Missouri P.E. Perhaps if more Greybeards gave such candid comments it might influence others toward something other than a race to the bottom. Bill Loesch Solar 1 - Saint Louis Solar 314 631 1094 On 24-Mar-13 12:07 PM, Ray Walters wrote: Hear, Hear, Car

Re: [RE-wrenches] P1 micro performance

2013-03-24 Thread Ray Walters
Hear, Hear, Carl. That has also always been my experience as well. In my off grid work, reliability trumps budget, and I almost always over size charge controllers, relays, inverters, fuse holders, etc. Most failures seem to be related to pushing the design limits of the equipment. I spent t

[RE-wrenches] P1 micro performance

2013-03-23 Thread Marco Mangelsdorf
>From Dan at Exeltech: Trying to explain in depth the "how and why" slightly larger PV is of benefit to a customer is like trying to explain photovoltaic equipment to the general public. I still challenge those who believe that “some clipping is good” to make their case. And as far as the g

Re: [RE-wrenches] P1 micro performance

2013-03-23 Thread Carl Emerson
said (below) IS fact. Whether you elect to believe this or not is up to you. Regards to all, Dan Lepinski, Senior Engineer Exeltech / Exeltech Solar Products With 41 years experience as a design engineer in solar energy. --- On Sat, 3/23/13, Marco Mangelsdorf wrote: From: Marco Mangels

Re: [RE-wrenches] P1 micro performance

2013-03-23 Thread Exeltech
Whether you elect to believe this or not is up to you. Regards to all, Dan Lepinski, Senior Engineer Exeltech / Exeltech Solar Products With 41 years experience as a design engineer in solar energy. --- On Sat, 3/23/13, Marco Mangelsdorf wrote: From: Marco Mangelsdorf Subject: [RE-wrenc

[RE-wrenches] P1 micro performance

2013-03-23 Thread Marco Mangelsdorf
aper" overly self-serving. marco From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Nick Soleil Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 8:04 PM To: RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] P1 micro performance Good points David, we ar

Re: [RE-wrenches] P1 micro performance

2013-03-22 Thread Nick Soleil
Good points David, we are in peak season for inverters to be limiting power. Marco, your diagram shows that the modules are only overproducing the Enphase M215's output of 225 watts for a single 15 minute period during the day. That would only equate to about 3 watt-hours of lost power on a day w

Re: [RE-wrenches] P1 micro performance

2013-03-22 Thread David Brearley
hes-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of David Brearley > Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 8:43 AM > To: RE-wrenches > Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] P1 micro performance > > Thanks for the clarification. > > FWIW: Flat topping is exactly what occurs. Inverter limiting clips the

Re: [RE-wrenches] P1 micro performance

2013-03-22 Thread Drake
It would be good to quantify the amount of peak energy that is lost through power limiting. We have a 2160 Watt array on a 40 degree pitched roof with a SB 2500HF US inverter. The other day I watched the meter hover over 2000 W and peak at 2490 W. It was a clear, cold day. It runs in the STC

Re: [RE-wrenches] P1 micro performance

2013-03-22 Thread Bill Loesch
Engineer Exeltech / Exeltech Solar Products --- On *Thu, 3/21/13, David Brearley //* wrote: From: David Brearley Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] P1 micro performance To: "RE-wrenches" Date: Thursday, March 21, 2013, 11:37 PM Thanks for sharing the screen capture, Marc

Re: [RE-wrenches] P1 micro performance

2013-03-22 Thread Bill Loesch
1/13, David Brearley //* wrote: From: David Brearley Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] P1 micro performance To: "RE-wrenches" Date: Thursday, March 21, 2013, 11:37 PM Thanks for sharing the screen capture, Marco. Interesting issues to think about here. This is actually p

Re: [RE-wrenches] P1 micro performance

2013-03-21 Thread boB
1/13, David Brearley //* wrote: From: David Brearley Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] P1 micro performance To: "RE-wrenches" Date: Thursday, March 21, 2013, 11:37 PM Thanks for sharing the screen capture, Marco. Interesting issues to think about here. This is actually p

Re: [RE-wrenches] P1 micro performance

2013-03-21 Thread Exeltech
ditional increase in the output for an increase in available energy at the input.  Think "governor" on an engine Thanks. Dan Lepinski, Sr. Engineer Exeltech / Exeltech Solar Products --- On Thu, 3/21/13, David Brearley wrote: From: David Brearley Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] P1 m

Re: [RE-wrenches] P1 micro performance

2013-03-21 Thread David Brearley
Thanks for sharing the screen capture, Marco. Interesting issues to think about here. This is actually prime clipping season in many places (not sure about Hawaii) due to the cool weather. While there are more sun-hours in the summer, the cell temperatures are often high enough that you won't t