Re: [RE-wrenches] VAWT recommendation

2010-10-23 Thread Conrad Geyser
Hear hear! We need to rout the RE industry of the charlatans that will only serve to bring the responsible people down. VAWTs do not employ the Bernoulli Effect - the laminar flow phenomenon that gives all foils/wings their power. They are categorically inefficient. There are plenty of HAWT

Re: [RE-wrenches] PV in Overhead (aerial) Conduit

2010-10-23 Thread dan
Unless I'm seriously missing something (and I very well may be), It looks to me like as long as the install complies with 230II, you're good. dbDan BrownFoxfire Energy Corp.Renewable Energy Systems(802)-483-2564www.Foxfire-Energy.comNABCEP #092907-44 Original Message Subject:

Re: [RE-wrenches] PV in Overhead (aerial) Conduit

2010-10-23 Thread dan
Oops.. my bad.. I was looking at conductors, not conduit.Dan BrownFoxfire Energy Corp.Renewable Energy Systems(802)-483-2564www.Foxfire-Energy.comNABCEP #092907-44 Original Message Subject: [RE-wrenches] PV in Overhead (aerial) Conduit From: Phil Theis p...@pennsun.com Date:

Re: [RE-wrenches] PV in Overhead (aerial) Conduit

2010-10-23 Thread dan
Ok, again, unless I'm missing something, 230II, and 396 compliant installs should be good to go.. dbDan BrownFoxfire Energy Corp.Renewable Energy Systems(802)-483-2564www.Foxfire-Energy.comNABCEP #092907-44 Original Message Subject: [RE-wrenches] PV in Overhead (aerial) Conduit

Re: [RE-wrenches] Battery cell shorting

2010-10-23 Thread jay peltz
Hi Kirk, Can you fill us in on how many batteries are in each set that was ruined? thanks, jay peltz power On Oct 22, 2010, at 12:39 PM, Kirk Herander, VSE wrote: Hello, I have an off-grid battery / generator / SW4024 system which has destroyed -3- sets of batteries in the last five

Re: [RE-wrenches] Battery cell shorting

2010-10-23 Thread solardude97
Daryl was right on the charge rates. What is not referenced is the configuration of the battery bank. Since it is a 24 volt system it could possibly have multiple series strings paralled together. There will always be imbalances in the individual strings resulting in higher resistance in one

Re: [RE-wrenches] Battery cell shorting

2010-10-23 Thread R Ray Walters
Hi Nathan; I agree that too many strings can cause problems, as you mentioned, but I've seen 2 major problems with single battery strings, too: 1) A single cell failure, or corroded connection takes the entire system out of commission. 2) Most batteries do not have enough current to meet the

Re: [RE-wrenches] 2011 code changes

2010-10-23 Thread Bill Brooks
Rebecca, Although I recommended delaying the implementation of arc-fault detectors, the Code Making Panel felt that the hazard justified the requirement. Article 90.4 clarifies the NEC's approach to your concern: 90.4 (paragraph 3) This Code may require new products,

Re: [RE-wrenches] Battery cell shorting

2010-10-23 Thread Dan Fink
Wrenches, Nathan, Ray; I'm also seeing a big red flag on battery connections and possible corrosion. No info was provided on system battery bank voltage ( I am assuming 24v, from the SW inverter model number), or how the battery bank is configured as far as series vs. parallel. With

Re: [RE-wrenches] Battery cell shorting

2010-10-23 Thread Darryl Thayer
Thanks Jamie I find your input to be most valuable, the photo shows how the plate material has been blown off the positive grid a sure sign of overcharging and overcharge rate Daryl --- On Sat, 10/23/10, James Surrette ja...@surrette.com wrote: From: James Surrette ja...@surrette.com Subject:

Re: [RE-wrenches] 2011 code changes

2010-10-23 Thread Darryl Thayer
Good question and answer, I talked to several at the SPI and indeed they are being developed (series arc fault), But universally people said they have no standard to test to. UL has not writen the test that must be passed Darryl --- On Sat, 10/23/10, Bill Brooks billbroo...@yahoo.com wrote:

Re: [RE-wrenches] Battery cell shorting

2010-10-23 Thread Kirk
Jamie et al- Bank is -8- Rolls T12-250, 12 v, 200 ahr @ 20 hr rate. So -4- series strings in parallel, 800 ahr @ 24 vdc. So C10 charge rate of 80 amps. SW4024 charger is 120a max, so worst case about C/6.7 rate. Of course this rate is not at all constant, we all know. I have not yet seen

Re: [RE-wrenches] Battery cell shorting

2010-10-23 Thread toddcory
I have a client right now doing a last ditch heavy equalizing cycle to try to save his 5 year old, 24 volt bank of 8 L-16's. One of the two series strings has a weak cell... so the other string is boiling away. He is charging for 2 hours with 2 hours rest to not overheat the charged cells. Too