Re: [RE-wrenches] Pitch Pockets

[William Miller]

August:

Here is one method for dealing with rigid insulation over decking

https://millersolar.com/MillerSolar/practices/Technical_Procedures/Rigid_over_decking/_Rigid_over_decking.html

The roofer installed “cant strips.”


William Miller
www.millersolar.com

> On Nov 3, 2021, at 2:04 PM, August Goers  wrote:
> 
> 
> Adam - 
> 
> This is a good topic. We are finding more and more flat roofs with rigid 
> insulation installed over the wood decking to provide cricketing (for 
> drainage) and insulation for the home. Installing standard stanchions is 
> difficult because it is hard to find the rafters and also we need to use a 
> hole saw to cut through the rigid insulation so the base of the stanchion has 
> a solid deck to attach to. Very difficult all around! Nonetheless, we still 
> mainly use Chemlink E-Curbs or work with a roofer to flash and seal.
> 
> We have tried a few projects with the Unirac Flashloc RM product: 
> https://unirac.com/flashloc-rm/ All in all, our crews like them although they 
> are expensive. The tricky part is getting the engineering to work out since 
> this type of product can be used to attach solely to the decking. 
> 
> We're also trying out the Anchor Products U2400 that Jeff mentioned. And, 
> we're using the OMG Powergrip product on a commercial project: 
> https://omgroofing.com/products/solar-mounts/powergrip-plus
> 
> August
> Luminalt
> 
> 
> 
>> On Wed, Nov 3, 2021 at 1:33 PM Jeff Irish  wrote:
>> Have a look at U2400s from Anchor Products.  You can order them to match the 
>> type of roof you are dealing with.
>> 
>>> On Wed, Nov 3, 2021 at 4:16 PM Jason Szumlanski 
>>>  wrote:
>>> E-Curbs here.
>>> 
>>> Some roofing manufacturers require that you use their sealant pockets and 
>>> sealant to maintain their warranty, and some require that you use their 
>>> certified roofing contractors. Firestone is one of them for TPO roofs, and 
>>> their TPO accessories are very expensive (even more than Chemlink).
>>> 
>>> Jason Szumlanski
>>> Florida Solar Design Group
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Wed, Nov 3, 2021 at 3:41 PM AE Solar  
 wrote:
 Anyone have a favorite pitch pocket they use for flat roofs? We have a 
 larger residential system with an EPDM flat roof (decking, 2" of rigid 
 insulation, then EPDM). We are trying to keep the array as low to the roof 
 as possible. We've used Chemlink E-Curbs to seal around stand-off's in the 
 past, but figured I'd reach out and see if there are any other products 
 folks like?
 Thanks.
 Adam
 
 Adam Katzman
 Autonomous Energies
 PO Box 1245
 Kingston, NY 12402
 www.autonomousenergies.com
 (518) 567-1468
 
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Pitch Pockets

[Jason Szumlanski]

Good point about the tapered insulation, August. However, sometimes you can
use a larger base with a decking-only attachment without crushing the
insulation. The IronRidge Flat Roof Attachment (FRA) is a large diameter
base with a LOT of fastener holes. They also do angled fasteners and you
can get really good uplift capability with a decking-only attachment.

Jason




On Wed, Nov 3, 2021 at 5:04 PM August Goers  wrote:

> Adam -
>
> This is a good topic. We are finding more and more flat roofs with rigid
> insulation installed over the wood decking to provide cricketing (for
> drainage) and insulation for the home. Installing standard stanchions is
> difficult because it is hard to find the rafters and also we need to use a
> hole saw to cut through the rigid insulation so the base of the stanchion
> has a solid deck to attach to. Very difficult all around! Nonetheless, we
> still mainly use Chemlink E-Curbs or work with a roofer to flash and seal.
>
> We have tried a few projects with the Unirac Flashloc RM product:
> https://unirac.com/flashloc-rm/
> 
> All in all, our crews like them although they are expensive. The tricky
> part is getting the engineering to work out since this type of product can
> be used to attach solely to the decking.
>
> We're also trying out the Anchor Products U2400 that Jeff mentioned. And,
> we're using the OMG Powergrip product on a commercial project:
> https://omgroofing.com/products/solar-mounts/powergrip-plus
> 
>
> August
> Luminalt
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 3, 2021 at 1:33 PM Jeff Irish 
> wrote:
>
>> Have a look at U2400s from Anchor Products.  You can order them to match
>> the type of roof you are dealing with.
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 3, 2021 at 4:16 PM Jason Szumlanski <
>> ja...@floridasolardesigngroup.com> wrote:
>>
>>> E-Curbs here.
>>>
>>> Some roofing manufacturers require that you use their sealant pockets
>>> and sealant to maintain their warranty, and some require that you use their
>>> certified roofing contractors. Firestone is one of them for TPO roofs, and
>>> their TPO accessories are very expensive (even more than Chemlink).
>>>
>>> Jason Szumlanski
>>> Florida Solar Design Group
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 3, 2021 at 3:41 PM AE Solar 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Anyone have a favorite pitch pocket they use for flat roofs? We have a
 larger residential system with an EPDM flat roof (decking, 2" of rigid
 insulation, then EPDM). We are trying to keep the array as low to the roof
 as possible. We've used Chemlink E-Curbs to seal around stand-off's in the
 past, but figured I'd reach out and see if there are any other
 products folks like?
 Thanks.
 Adam

 Adam Katzman
 Autonomous Energies
 PO Box 1245
 Kingston, NY 12402
 www.autonomousenergies.com
 
 (518) 567-1468


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Re: [RE-wrenches] Pitch Pockets

[Dana Orzel]

We are not dealing with many flat roofs in snow country [thank goodness] but 
are very impressed with the Chemlink product hot or cold it appears to be very 
stable. Just spendy.

 

 

 

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August Goers
Sent: Wednesday, November 3, 2021 3:04 PM
To: RE-wrenches 
Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Pitch Pockets

 

Adam - 

 

This is a good topic. We are finding more and more flat roofs with rigid 
insulation installed over the wood decking to provide cricketing (for drainage) 
and insulation for the home. Installing standard stanchions is difficult 
because it is hard to find the rafters and also we need to use a hole saw to 
cut through the rigid insulation so the base of the stanchion has a solid deck 
to attach to. Very difficult all around! Nonetheless, we still mainly use 
Chemlink E-Curbs or work with a roofer to flash and seal.

 

We have tried a few projects with the Unirac Flashloc RM product: 
https://unirac.com/flashloc-rm/ All in all, our crews like them although they 
are expensive. The tricky part is getting the engineering to work out since 
this type of product can be used to attach solely to the decking. 

 

We're also trying out the Anchor Products U2400 that Jeff mentioned. And, we're 
using the OMG Powergrip product on a commercial project: 
https://omgroofing.com/products/solar-mounts/powergrip-plus

 

August

Luminalt

 

 

On Wed, Nov 3, 2021 at 1:33 PM Jeff Irish mailto:jeff.ir...@suncommon.com> > wrote:

Have a look at U2400s from Anchor Products.  You can order them to match the 
type of roof you are dealing with.

 

On Wed, Nov 3, 2021 at 4:16 PM Jason Szumlanski 
mailto:ja...@floridasolardesigngroup.com> > 
wrote:

E-Curbs here.

 

Some roofing manufacturers require that you use their sealant pockets and 
sealant to maintain their warranty, and some require that you use their 
certified roofing contractors. Firestone is one of them for TPO roofs, and 
their TPO accessories are very expensive (even more than Chemlink).

 

Jason Szumlanski

Florida Solar Design Group

 

 

 

 

 


  
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On Wed, Nov 3, 2021 at 3:41 PM AE Solar mailto:autonomousenerg...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Anyone have a favorite pitch pocket they use for flat roofs? We have a larger 
residential system with an EPDM flat roof (decking, 2" of rigid insulation, 
then EPDM). We are trying to keep the array as low to the roof as possible. 
We've used Chemlink E-Curbs to seal around stand-off's in the past, but figured 
I'd reach out and see if there are any other products folks like?

Thanks.

Adam

 

Adam Katzman
Autonomous Energies
PO Box 1245

Kingston, NY 12402
www.autonomousenergies.com <http://www.autonomousenergies.com> 
(518) 567-1468

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Re: [RE-wrenches] Pitch Pockets

[August Goers]

Adam -

This is a good topic. We are finding more and more flat roofs with rigid
insulation installed over the wood decking to provide cricketing (for
drainage) and insulation for the home. Installing standard stanchions is
difficult because it is hard to find the rafters and also we need to use a
hole saw to cut through the rigid insulation so the base of the stanchion
has a solid deck to attach to. Very difficult all around! Nonetheless, we
still mainly use Chemlink E-Curbs or work with a roofer to flash and seal.

We have tried a few projects with the Unirac Flashloc RM product:
https://unirac.com/flashloc-rm/ All in all, our crews like them although
they are expensive. The tricky part is getting the engineering to work out
since this type of product can be used to attach solely to the decking.

We're also trying out the Anchor Products U2400 that Jeff mentioned. And,
we're using the OMG Powergrip product on a commercial project:
https://omgroofing.com/products/solar-mounts/powergrip-plus

August
Luminalt



On Wed, Nov 3, 2021 at 1:33 PM Jeff Irish  wrote:

> Have a look at U2400s from Anchor Products.  You can order them to match
> the type of roof you are dealing with.
>
> On Wed, Nov 3, 2021 at 4:16 PM Jason Szumlanski <
> ja...@floridasolardesigngroup.com> wrote:
>
>> E-Curbs here.
>>
>> Some roofing manufacturers require that you use their sealant pockets and
>> sealant to maintain their warranty, and some require that you use their
>> certified roofing contractors. Firestone is one of them for TPO roofs, and
>> their TPO accessories are very expensive (even more than Chemlink).
>>
>> Jason Szumlanski
>> Florida Solar Design Group
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 3, 2021 at 3:41 PM AE Solar 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone have a favorite pitch pocket they use for flat roofs? We have a
>>> larger residential system with an EPDM flat roof (decking, 2" of rigid
>>> insulation, then EPDM). We are trying to keep the array as low to the roof
>>> as possible. We've used Chemlink E-Curbs to seal around stand-off's in the
>>> past, but figured I'd reach out and see if there are any other
>>> products folks like?
>>> Thanks.
>>> Adam
>>>
>>> Adam Katzman
>>> Autonomous Energies
>>> PO Box 1245
>>> Kingston, NY 12402
>>> www.autonomousenergies.com
>>> (518) 567-1468
>>>
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Pitch Pockets

[Jason Szumlanski]

We have had mixed results with this. I like the product. Some roof
manufacturers and roofing contractors have resisted despite Anchor's
ability to use the exact same manufacturer's patches. Again, Firestone has
been one of them, insisting on their own accessories. It does provide a
very low profile option and they have a variety of base plates. They aren't
cheap either, but can be lower price than a separate mount and
portable sealer pocket. You can also order them with at least two sizes of
threaded stud if you intend to use a post with internal threads.

Jason






On Wed, Nov 3, 2021 at 4:33 PM Jeff Irish  wrote:

> Have a look at U2400s from Anchor Products.  You can order them to match
> the type of roof you are dealing with.
>
> On Wed, Nov 3, 2021 at 4:16 PM Jason Szumlanski <
> ja...@floridasolardesigngroup.com> wrote:
>
>> E-Curbs here.
>>
>> Some roofing manufacturers require that you use their sealant pockets and
>> sealant to maintain their warranty, and some require that you use their
>> certified roofing contractors. Firestone is one of them for TPO roofs, and
>> their TPO accessories are very expensive (even more than Chemlink).
>>
>> Jason Szumlanski
>> Florida Solar Design Group
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 3, 2021 at 3:41 PM AE Solar 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone have a favorite pitch pocket they use for flat roofs? We have a
>>> larger residential system with an EPDM flat roof (decking, 2" of rigid
>>> insulation, then EPDM). We are trying to keep the array as low to the roof
>>> as possible. We've used Chemlink E-Curbs to seal around stand-off's in the
>>> past, but figured I'd reach out and see if there are any other
>>> products folks like?
>>> Thanks.
>>> Adam
>>>
>>> Adam Katzman
>>> Autonomous Energies
>>> PO Box 1245
>>> Kingston, NY 12402
>>> www.autonomousenergies.com
>>> 
>>> (518) 567-1468
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Pitch Pockets

[Jeff Irish]

Have a look at U2400s from Anchor Products.  You can order them to match
the type of roof you are dealing with.

On Wed, Nov 3, 2021 at 4:16 PM Jason Szumlanski <
ja...@floridasolardesigngroup.com> wrote:

> E-Curbs here.
>
> Some roofing manufacturers require that you use their sealant pockets and
> sealant to maintain their warranty, and some require that you use their
> certified roofing contractors. Firestone is one of them for TPO roofs, and
> their TPO accessories are very expensive (even more than Chemlink).
>
> Jason Szumlanski
> Florida Solar Design Group
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 3, 2021 at 3:41 PM AE Solar 
> wrote:
>
>> Anyone have a favorite pitch pocket they use for flat roofs? We have a
>> larger residential system with an EPDM flat roof (decking, 2" of rigid
>> insulation, then EPDM). We are trying to keep the array as low to the roof
>> as possible. We've used Chemlink E-Curbs to seal around stand-off's in the
>> past, but figured I'd reach out and see if there are any other
>> products folks like?
>> Thanks.
>> Adam
>>
>> Adam Katzman
>> Autonomous Energies
>> PO Box 1245
>> Kingston, NY 12402
>> www.autonomousenergies.com
>> (518) 567-1468
>>
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Pitch Pockets

[Jason Szumlanski]

E-Curbs here.

Some roofing manufacturers require that you use their sealant pockets and
sealant to maintain their warranty, and some require that you use their
certified roofing contractors. Firestone is one of them for TPO roofs, and
their TPO accessories are very expensive (even more than Chemlink).

Jason Szumlanski
Florida Solar Design Group






On Wed, Nov 3, 2021 at 3:41 PM AE Solar 
wrote:

> Anyone have a favorite pitch pocket they use for flat roofs? We have a
> larger residential system with an EPDM flat roof (decking, 2" of rigid
> insulation, then EPDM). We are trying to keep the array as low to the roof
> as possible. We've used Chemlink E-Curbs to seal around stand-off's in the
> past, but figured I'd reach out and see if there are any other
> products folks like?
> Thanks.
> Adam
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[RE-wrenches] Pitch Pockets

[AE Solar]

Anyone have a favorite pitch pocket they use for flat roofs? We have a
larger residential system with an EPDM flat roof (decking, 2" of rigid
insulation, then EPDM). We are trying to keep the array as low to the roof
as possible. We've used Chemlink E-Curbs to seal around stand-off's in the
past, but figured I'd reach out and see if there are any other
products folks like?
Thanks.
Adam

Adam Katzman
Autonomous Energies
PO Box 1245
Kingston, NY 12402
www.autonomousenergies.com
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