Re: [RE-wrenches] Outback MX60 Replacement

2025-04-22 Thread Mac Lewis via RE-wrenches 
Hi Jason,

One thing you might consider is an Outback FM100 with the 300Vdc input.
You can do 2 strings of 4, then combine on the roof.  Typically you can
easily get that on #10 wire.  This may allow the controller to show up with
the Mate.  I would disable arc fault to make it work reliably.

If you can't find them, let me know off-list and I may be able to help.

Good luck!

On Mon, Apr 21, 2025 at 2:55 PM Jason Szumlanski via RE-wrenches <
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> There are particular challenges with running new conductors to the roof,
> and I don't have 8 wires to work with, unfortunately. This is one of the
> reasons I am planning a single string at 600V
>
>
> Jason Szumlanski
> Principal Solar Designer | Florida Solar Design Group
> NABCEP Certified Solar Professional (PVIP)
> Florida State Certified Solar Contractor CVC56956
> Florida Certified Electrical Contractor EC13013208
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 18, 2025 at 8:34 PM MDElectricSolar via RE-wrenches <
> re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:
>
>> You could swap it out with a FM-80 and do 4 strings of two modules in
>> series.
>>
>> Michael D Nelson
>> MD Electric & Solar, Inc.
>> 707-684-0064 mobile
>> 707-884-1862 office
>> www.mdelectricsolar.com
>> www.facebook.com/mdelectricandsolar
>>
>>
>> On Apr 18, 2025, at 6:40 AM, Christopher Warfel via RE-wrenches <
>> re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Hi Jason, I have the same set up. These are the array and cc breakers.
>> Although we are having a power outage right now, the DC shunt is doing its
>> usual crazy reading from time to time.   Chris
>>
>>
>> <2b1DSIMNoJXo0FJ2.jpg>
>>
>> On 4/18/2025 8:35 AM, Jason Szumlanski via RE-wrenches wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I have a client that wants to replace a PV array that is aging and
>> hurricane damaged. It's a rather old array of unknown rating connected to a
>> MX60 via a Flexware 500 DC enclosure (48V).
>>
>> I'm planning to install eight REC 450 Alpha Pure RX in series. I'm going
>> to need a 600 volt charge controller. I'm considering a Midnite Hawk's Bay
>> unless someone has a better idea.
>>
>> The customer sent me this crude image. I can see the two inverter
>> breakers on the right. I am wondering what the two breakers on the left
>> are. I'm thinking one of these is an 80 amp breaker for the output of the
>> MX60. The other one is probably a PV input breaker of unknown rating. I
>> would need to change these to accommodate the new charge controller. The
>> Midnite Hawk's Bay 90 requires a 125A output breaker. Does anyone know if
>> there is an Outback breaker of this physical size and 125A rating to plug
>> into this DC FlexWare enclosure? For the PV input, I should be able to get
>> whatever breaker is required for this single string of PV.
>>
>> I'm all ears if there is an easier way to go about this with
>> approximately 3,600W of new PV.
>>
>> Thanks in advance!
>>
>> Jason Szumlanski
>> Florida Solar Design Group
>>
>> Check out or update participant bios:http://www.members.re-wrenches.org
>>
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Outback MX60 Replacement

2025-04-21 Thread Jason Szumlanski via RE-wrenches 
There are particular challenges with running new conductors to the roof,
and I don't have 8 wires to work with, unfortunately. This is one of the
reasons I am planning a single string at 600V


Jason Szumlanski
Principal Solar Designer | Florida Solar Design Group
NABCEP Certified Solar Professional (PVIP)
Florida State Certified Solar Contractor CVC56956
Florida Certified Electrical Contractor EC13013208


On Fri, Apr 18, 2025 at 8:34 PM MDElectricSolar via RE-wrenches <
re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:

> You could swap it out with a FM-80 and do 4 strings of two modules in
> series.
>
> Michael D Nelson
> MD Electric & Solar, Inc.
> 707-684-0064 mobile
> 707-884-1862 office
> www.mdelectricsolar.com
> www.facebook.com/mdelectricandsolar
>
>
> On Apr 18, 2025, at 6:40 AM, Christopher Warfel via RE-wrenches <
> re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:
>
> 
>
> Hi Jason, I have the same set up. These are the array and cc breakers.
> Although we are having a power outage right now, the DC shunt is doing its
> usual crazy reading from time to time.   Chris
>
>
> <2b1DSIMNoJXo0FJ2.jpg>
>
> On 4/18/2025 8:35 AM, Jason Szumlanski via RE-wrenches wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I have a client that wants to replace a PV array that is aging and
> hurricane damaged. It's a rather old array of unknown rating connected to a
> MX60 via a Flexware 500 DC enclosure (48V).
>
> I'm planning to install eight REC 450 Alpha Pure RX in series. I'm going
> to need a 600 volt charge controller. I'm considering a Midnite Hawk's Bay
> unless someone has a better idea.
>
> The customer sent me this crude image. I can see the two inverter breakers
> on the right. I am wondering what the two breakers on the left are. I'm
> thinking one of these is an 80 amp breaker for the output of the MX60. The
> other one is probably a PV input breaker of unknown rating. I would need to
> change these to accommodate the new charge controller. The Midnite Hawk's
> Bay 90 requires a 125A output breaker. Does anyone know if there is an
> Outback breaker of this physical size and 125A rating to plug into this DC
> FlexWare enclosure? For the PV input, I should be able to get whatever
> breaker is required for this single string of PV.
>
> I'm all ears if there is an easier way to go about this with approximately
> 3,600W of new PV.
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> Jason Szumlanski
> Florida Solar Design Group
>
> Check out or update participant bios:http://www.members.re-wrenches.org
>
> --
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Outback MX60 Replacement

2025-04-21 Thread John Blittersdorf via RE-wrenches 
Jay, Zonna has MATE 3s now but not sure if anything else .

On Sat, Apr 19, 2025 at 8:27 AM Jay via RE-wrenches <
re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:

> Does the new OB have product now?
>
> Jay
>
>
>
> On Apr 18, 2025, at 6:34 PM, MDElectricSolar via RE-wrenches <
> re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:
>
> You could swap it out with a FM-80 and do 4 strings of two modules in
> series.
>
> Michael D Nelson
> MD Electric & Solar, Inc.
> 707-684-0064 mobile
> 707-884-1862 office
> www.mdelectricsolar.com
> www.facebook.com/mdelectricandsolar
>
>
> On Apr 18, 2025, at 6:40 AM, Christopher Warfel via RE-wrenches <
> re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:
>
> 
>
> Hi Jason, I have the same set up. These are the array and cc breakers.
> Although we are having a power outage right now, the DC shunt is doing its
> usual crazy reading from time to time.   Chris
>
>
> <2b1DSIMNoJXo0FJ2.jpg>
>
> On 4/18/2025 8:35 AM, Jason Szumlanski via RE-wrenches wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I have a client that wants to replace a PV array that is aging and
> hurricane damaged. It's a rather old array of unknown rating connected to a
> MX60 via a Flexware 500 DC enclosure (48V).
>
> I'm planning to install eight REC 450 Alpha Pure RX in series. I'm going
> to need a 600 volt charge controller. I'm considering a Midnite Hawk's Bay
> unless someone has a better idea.
>
> The customer sent me this crude image. I can see the two inverter breakers
> on the right. I am wondering what the two breakers on the left are. I'm
> thinking one of these is an 80 amp breaker for the output of the MX60. The
> other one is probably a PV input breaker of unknown rating. I would need to
> change these to accommodate the new charge controller. The Midnite Hawk's
> Bay 90 requires a 125A output breaker. Does anyone know if there is an
> Outback breaker of this physical size and 125A rating to plug into this DC
> FlexWare enclosure? For the PV input, I should be able to get whatever
> breaker is required for this single string of PV.
>
> I'm all ears if there is an easier way to go about this with approximately
> 3,600W of new PV.
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> Jason Szumlanski
> Florida Solar Design Group
>
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Outback MX60 Replacement

2025-04-20 Thread Blair May via RE-wrenches 
That voltage would b too low. Victron has a charge controller 250vdc it
won't talk to the hub but they do have BT/wi fi connective 2 strings of 4
modules. Tump
Blair "Tump" May

On Fri, Apr 18, 2025, 8:34 PM MDElectricSolar via RE-wrenches <
re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:

> You could swap it out with a FM-80 and do 4 strings of two modules in
> series.
>
> Michael D Nelson
> MD Electric & Solar, Inc.
> 707-684-0064 mobile
> 707-884-1862 office
> www.mdelectricsolar.com
> www.facebook.com/mdelectricandsolar
>
>
> On Apr 18, 2025, at 6:40 AM, Christopher Warfel via RE-wrenches <
> re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:
>
> 
>
> Hi Jason, I have the same set up. These are the array and cc breakers.
> Although we are having a power outage right now, the DC shunt is doing its
> usual crazy reading from time to time.   Chris
>
>
> <2b1DSIMNoJXo0FJ2.jpg>
> On 4/18/2025 8:35 AM, Jason Szumlanski via RE-wrenches wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I have a client that wants to replace a PV array that is aging and
> hurricane damaged. It's a rather old array of unknown rating connected to a
> MX60 via a Flexware 500 DC enclosure (48V).
>
> I'm planning to install eight REC 450 Alpha Pure RX in series. I'm going
> to need a 600 volt charge controller. I'm considering a Midnite Hawk's Bay
> unless someone has a better idea.
>
> The customer sent me this crude image. I can see the two inverter breakers
> on the right. I am wondering what the two breakers on the left are. I'm
> thinking one of these is an 80 amp breaker for the output of the MX60. The
> other one is probably a PV input breaker of unknown rating. I would need to
> change these to accommodate the new charge controller. The Midnite Hawk's
> Bay 90 requires a 125A output breaker. Does anyone know if there is an
> Outback breaker of this physical size and 125A rating to plug into this DC
> FlexWare enclosure? For the PV input, I should be able to get whatever
> breaker is required for this single string of PV.
>
> I'm all ears if there is an easier way to go about this with approximately
> 3,600W of new PV.
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> Jason Szumlanski
> Florida Solar Design Group
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Outback MX60 Replacement

2025-04-19 Thread Jay via RE-wrenches 
Does the new OB have product now?JayOn Apr 18, 2025, at 6:34 PM, MDElectricSolar via RE-wrenches  wrote:You could swap it out with a FM-80 and do 4 strings of two modules in series.Michael D NelsonMD Electric & Solar, Inc.707-684-0064 mobile707-884-1862 officewww.mdelectricsolar.comwww.facebook.com/mdelectricandsolarOn Apr 18, 2025, at 6:40 AM, Christopher Warfel via RE-wrenches  wrote:

  

  
  
Hi Jason, I have the same set up. These are the array and cc
  breakers.  Although we are having a power outage right now, the DC
  shunt is doing its usual crazy reading from time to time.   Chris



<2b1DSIMNoJXo0FJ2.jpg>
On 4/18/2025 8:35 AM, Jason Szumlanski
  via RE-wrenches wrote:


  
  Hi all, 


I have a client that wants to replace a PV array
  that is aging and hurricane damaged. It's a rather old array
  of unknown rating connected to a MX60 via a Flexware 500 DC
  enclosure (48V). 


I'm planning to install eight REC 450 Alpha Pure
  RX in series. I'm going to need a 600 volt charge controller.
  I'm considering a Midnite Hawk's Bay unless someone has a
  better idea. 


The customer sent me this crude image. I can see
  the two inverter breakers on the right. I am wondering what
  the two breakers on the left are. I'm thinking one of these is
  an 80 amp breaker for the output of the MX60. The other one is
  probably a PV input breaker of unknown rating. I would need to
  change these to accommodate the new charge controller. The
  Midnite Hawk's Bay 90 requires a 125A output breaker. Does
  anyone know if there is an Outback breaker of this physical
  size and 125A rating to plug into this DC FlexWare enclosure?
  For the PV input, I should be able to get whatever breaker is
  required for this single string of PV. 


I'm all ears if there is an easier way to go
  about this with approximately 3,600W of new PV.


Thanks in advance!


Jason Szumlanski 
Florida Solar Design Group 
  
  
  
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Outback MX60 Replacement

2025-04-18 Thread MDElectricSolar via RE-wrenches 
You could swap it out with a FM-80 and do 4 strings of two modules in series.Michael D NelsonMD Electric & Solar, Inc.707-684-0064 mobile707-884-1862 officewww.mdelectricsolar.comwww.facebook.com/mdelectricandsolarOn Apr 18, 2025, at 6:40 AM, Christopher Warfel via RE-wrenches  wrote:

  

  
  
Hi Jason, I have the same set up. These are the array and cc
  breakers.  Although we are having a power outage right now, the DC
  shunt is doing its usual crazy reading from time to time.   Chris



<2b1DSIMNoJXo0FJ2.jpg>
On 4/18/2025 8:35 AM, Jason Szumlanski
  via RE-wrenches wrote:


  
  Hi all, 


I have a client that wants to replace a PV array
  that is aging and hurricane damaged. It's a rather old array
  of unknown rating connected to a MX60 via a Flexware 500 DC
  enclosure (48V). 


I'm planning to install eight REC 450 Alpha Pure
  RX in series. I'm going to need a 600 volt charge controller.
  I'm considering a Midnite Hawk's Bay unless someone has a
  better idea. 


The customer sent me this crude image. I can see
  the two inverter breakers on the right. I am wondering what
  the two breakers on the left are. I'm thinking one of these is
  an 80 amp breaker for the output of the MX60. The other one is
  probably a PV input breaker of unknown rating. I would need to
  change these to accommodate the new charge controller. The
  Midnite Hawk's Bay 90 requires a 125A output breaker. Does
  anyone know if there is an Outback breaker of this physical
  size and 125A rating to plug into this DC FlexWare enclosure?
  For the PV input, I should be able to get whatever breaker is
  required for this single string of PV. 


I'm all ears if there is an easier way to go
  about this with approximately 3,600W of new PV.


Thanks in advance!


Jason Szumlanski 
Florida Solar Design Group 
  
  
  
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Outback MX60 Replacement

2025-04-18 Thread Jason Szumlanski via RE-wrenches 
I was definitely leaning this direction, actually. The homeowner really has
it in his mind that it should be simple to just replace the panels. It's
tough to crack that shell. He's 80 plus.

He even wanted me to install new panels on old 2-inch angle aluminum that
is holding up the existing 190 watt panels. I nixed that idea right away.


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On Fri, Apr 18, 2025, 9:57 AM Jay via RE-wrenches <
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> I would consider looking at full replacement, because if they have a mx60
> it’s likely the inverters are also 20 yrs old.
>
> Given the costs of a 600v CC, plus BOS ( I don’t recommend installing 600v
> into the green boxes) a midnite AIO isn’t going to be much more expensive.
>
> Just my 2 cents
> Jay
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Apr 18, 2025, at 7:45 AM, Tyrone Houck via RE-wrenches <
> re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:
>
> 
> I don't have another recommendation for a 600v charge controller but I can
> tell you Midnite does make a standard, single space panelmount 125a
> breaker. Also keep in mind the PV input breaker would have to be 600v
> rated, also readily available from Midnite..
>
> Tyrone Houck
> Oregon Solarworks LLC
> CCB #204937 LRT #076
> 541-787-1366
> tyr...@oregonsolarworks.com
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 18, 2025, 5:36 AM Jason Szumlanski via RE-wrenches <
> re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I have a client that wants to replace a PV array that is aging and
>> hurricane damaged. It's a rather old array of unknown rating connected to a
>> MX60 via a Flexware 500 DC enclosure (48V).
>>
>> I'm planning to install eight REC 450 Alpha Pure RX in series. I'm going
>> to need a 600 volt charge controller. I'm considering a Midnite Hawk's Bay
>> unless someone has a better idea.
>>
>> The customer sent me this crude image. I can see the two inverter
>> breakers on the right. I am wondering what the two breakers on the left
>> are. I'm thinking one of these is an 80 amp breaker for the output of the
>> MX60. The other one is probably a PV input breaker of unknown rating. I
>> would need to change these to accommodate the new charge controller. The
>> Midnite Hawk's Bay 90 requires a 125A output breaker. Does anyone know if
>> there is an Outback breaker of this physical size and 125A rating to plug
>> into this DC FlexWare enclosure? For the PV input, I should be able to get
>> whatever breaker is required for this single string of PV.
>>
>> I'm all ears if there is an easier way to go about this with
>> approximately 3,600W of new PV.
>>
>> Thanks in advance!
>>
>> Jason Szumlanski
>> Florida Solar Design Group
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Outback MX60 Replacement

2025-04-18 Thread Jay via RE-wrenches 
I would consider looking at full replacement, because if they have a mx60 it’s likely the inverters are also 20 yrs old. Given the costs of a 600v CC, plus BOS ( I don’t recommend installing 600v into the green boxes) a midnite AIO isn’t going to be much more expensive. Just my 2 cents JayOn Apr 18, 2025, at 7:45 AM, Tyrone Houck via RE-wrenches  wrote:I don't have another recommendation for a 600v charge controller but I can tell you Midnite does make a standard, single space panelmount 125a breaker. Also keep in mind the PV input breaker would have to be 600v rated, also readily available from Midnite.. Tyrone HouckOregon Solarworks LLCCCB #204937 LRT #076541-787-1366tyr...@oregonsolarworks.com    On Fri, Apr 18, 2025, 5:36 AM Jason Szumlanski via RE-wrenches  wrote:Hi all, I have a client that wants to replace a PV array that is aging and hurricane damaged. It's a rather old array of unknown rating connected to a MX60 via a Flexware 500 DC enclosure (48V). I'm planning to install eight REC 450 Alpha Pure RX in series. I'm going to need a 600 volt charge controller. I'm considering a Midnite Hawk's Bay unless someone has a better idea. The customer sent me this crude image. I can see the two inverter breakers on the right. I am wondering what the two breakers on the left are. I'm thinking one of these is an 80 amp breaker for the output of the MX60. The other one is probably a PV input breaker of unknown rating. I would need to change these to accommodate the new charge controller. The Midnite Hawk's Bay 90 requires a 125A output breaker. Does anyone know if there is an Outback breaker of this physical size and 125A rating to plug into this DC FlexWare enclosure? For the PV input, I should be able to get whatever breaker is required for this single string of PV. I'm all ears if there is an easier way to go about this with approximately 3,600W of new PV.Thanks in advance!Jason Szumlanski Florida Solar Design Group 
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Outback MX60 Replacement

2025-04-18 Thread Tyrone Houck via RE-wrenches 
I don't have another recommendation for a 600v charge controller but I can
tell you Midnite does make a standard, single space panelmount 125a
breaker. Also keep in mind the PV input breaker would have to be 600v
rated, also readily available from Midnite..

Tyrone Houck
Oregon Solarworks LLC
CCB #204937 LRT #076
541-787-1366
tyr...@oregonsolarworks.com




On Fri, Apr 18, 2025, 5:36 AM Jason Szumlanski via RE-wrenches <
re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I have a client that wants to replace a PV array that is aging and
> hurricane damaged. It's a rather old array of unknown rating connected to a
> MX60 via a Flexware 500 DC enclosure (48V).
>
> I'm planning to install eight REC 450 Alpha Pure RX in series. I'm going
> to need a 600 volt charge controller. I'm considering a Midnite Hawk's Bay
> unless someone has a better idea.
>
> The customer sent me this crude image. I can see the two inverter breakers
> on the right. I am wondering what the two breakers on the left are. I'm
> thinking one of these is an 80 amp breaker for the output of the MX60. The
> other one is probably a PV input breaker of unknown rating. I would need to
> change these to accommodate the new charge controller. The Midnite Hawk's
> Bay 90 requires a 125A output breaker. Does anyone know if there is an
> Outback breaker of this physical size and 125A rating to plug into this DC
> FlexWare enclosure? For the PV input, I should be able to get whatever
> breaker is required for this single string of PV.
>
> I'm all ears if there is an easier way to go about this with approximately
> 3,600W of new PV.
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> Jason Szumlanski
> Florida Solar Design Group
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