Re: [Readable-discuss] PROPOSAL: Use "!" as an indenting character and drop "." entirely

2012-07-23 Thread David A. Wheeler
Okay, let's switch to "!" as an indent character, just like space or tab. As I noted earlier, I think "."+space for indentation has a lot of problems. It *requires* too many mechanisms for some implementations, and I think it's important to make it *easy* to implement. Alan Manuel Gloria isn't

Re: [Readable-discuss] PROPOSAL: Use "!" as an indenting character and drop "." entirely

2012-07-20 Thread Alan Manuel Gloria
On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 10:14 AM, David A. Wheeler wrote: > Would "~ followed by space or tab" be much more visually appealing to you? > Should we consider that further? EEW Sincerely, AmkG -- Live Security Virtua

Re: [Readable-discuss] PROPOSAL: Use "!" as an indenting character and drop "." entirely

2012-07-20 Thread David A. Wheeler
Alan Manuel Gloria: > Huh. Well, I dislike ! because I feel it's heavier visually than a line of . I agree, I like the *look* of "." better. But we have to implement it, too, and the implementation nastiness makes me think we need an alternative. > And no, if I can't type it on a standard keyb

Re: [Readable-discuss] PROPOSAL: Use "!" as an indenting character and drop "." entirely

2012-07-20 Thread Alan Manuel Gloria
Huh. Well, I dislike ! because I feel it's heavier visually than a line of . Also, a line composed of makes me think of hidden lines in drafting. But ! looks like: ! ! ! ! ! Alternating long and short segments is for center lines in drafting, which doesn't seem to be appropriate for t

Re: [Readable-discuss] PROPOSAL: Use "!" as an indenting character and drop "." entirely

2012-07-20 Thread David A. Wheeler
Alpheus Madsen: > I'm still kindof neutral on whether or not there should be a non-whitespace > character that acts as a whitespace character. Fair enough. I was skeptical at first, but I'm more of a fan after trying it out. I'm not a fan of "." as that character any more, because it has too m

Re: [Readable-discuss] PROPOSAL: Use "!" as an indenting character and drop "." entirely

2012-07-20 Thread David A. Wheeler
Kartik Agaram: > My immediate reaction is positive, in spite of potential conflict with > wart. It evokes a diff format. That's encouraging. > I can't think of any situation where "not x" will be at the left edge, > so perhaps wart's rule could be: After a newline skip any immediate > bangs. Fo

Re: [Readable-discuss] PROPOSAL: Use "!" as an indenting character and drop "." entirely

2012-07-20 Thread Alpheus Madsen
I'm still kindof neutral on whether or not there should be a non-whitespace character that acts as a whitespace character. Even so, I'm also inclined to think that, since we're talking about Lisp, there's always a chance that somewhere, someone has written a function or macro that begins with a gi

Re: [Readable-discuss] PROPOSAL: Use "!" as an indenting character and drop "." entirely

2012-07-20 Thread Kartik Agaram
My immediate reaction is positive, in spite of potential conflict with wart. It evokes a diff format. I can't think of any situation where "not x" will be at the left edge, so perhaps wart's rule could be: After a newline skip any immediate bangs. -

[Readable-discuss] PROPOSAL: Use "!" as an indenting character and drop "." entirely

2012-07-20 Thread David A. Wheeler
I propose that we drop "."+space/tab as an indentation character, and instead, declare that a simple "!" is an indentation character JUST LIKE space or tab. This is: 1. Trivial to implement. unread-char goes away, the code is easier to separate, etc. 2. It's trivial to explain. 3. It is *REALLY*