Re: reiser4 plugins

2005-06-25 Thread Hans Reiser
Jeff Garzik wrote: I've already listed two rather large technical reasons. They are?

Re: reiser4 plugins

2005-06-25 Thread Hans Reiser
David Masover wrote: The social traditions aren't uniform. In fact, if we're referring to all of open source, go hang out on irc.freenode.net#gentoo for a great community, whether or not you like the distro. If you want developers, there's not too many RTFM's and I was coding bytecode

Re: reiser4 plugins

2005-06-25 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On 6/25/05, Hans Reiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wonder if Apple is a better social environment for developers these days than Linux? It would be fun to work with Steve Jobs, he has such a sense of vision and a delight in new things. He hires good people too; Dominic Giampaolo is really

Re: reiser4 plugins

2005-06-25 Thread Jesper Krogh
[Followup-To: header set to gmane.linux.kernel.] I gmane.linux.kernel, skrev David Masover: Most desktop users today don't have backups because there is no credible backup technology for 500Gb of data. They may have partial backups. Some Bandwidth is getting faster. And I just found a

Re: reiser4 plugins

2005-06-25 Thread David Masover
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jesper Krogh wrote: [Followup-To: header set to gmane.linux.kernel.] I gmane.linux.kernel, skrev David Masover: Most desktop users today don't have backups because there is no credible backup technology for 500Gb of data. They may have partial

Re: reiser4 plugins

2005-06-25 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 23:10:35 CDT, David Masover said: But Linux is better. DOS ain't broke, but Linux is better. So maybe VFS ain't broke, but plugins would be better. I guess we'll only know if we let Reiser4 merge... No, we'll only know if we merge something that does plugins at the VFS

Re: reiser4 plugins

2005-06-25 Thread Diego Calleja
El Fri, 24 Jun 2005 21:31:02 -0700, Hans Reiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: What exactly is not ready Jeff? As I see it, this thread is 95% posturing, and almost no technical reasons for not merging. These authoritiesseem perfectly content with echoing the words of someone who skimmed the

Re: -mm - 2.6.13 merge status

2005-06-25 Thread Pekka Enberg
Hi, On Thu, 2005-06-23 at 21:32 +0200, Jens Axboe wrote: then it's impossible to know which one it is without the identical source at hand. In which case, debugging is risky IMO (the source code could have changed a lot). On Thu, 2005-06-23 at 21:32 +0200, Jens Axboe wrote: That said, I

Re: reiser4 plugins

2005-06-25 Thread David Masover
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 23:10:35 CDT, David Masover said: But Linux is better. DOS ain't broke, but Linux is better. So maybe VFS ain't broke, but plugins would be better. I guess we'll only know if we let Reiser4 merge...

Re: reiser4 plugins

2005-06-25 Thread Alexander Zarochentsev
On Wednesday 22 June 2005 05:18, Andrew Morton wrote: Hans Reiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is wrong with having an encryption plugin implemented in this manner? What is wrong with being able to have some files implemented using a compression plugin, and others in the same filesystem

Re: reiser4 plugins

2005-06-25 Thread Hans Reiser
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm.. let's see.. I said Reiser isn't in because it shouldn't be screwing with the VFS, and said stuff should be done separate from the Reiser4 filesystem. We don't touch a line of VFS code. We look like a normal fs at the interface. Shall we send in a file

Re: -mm - 2.6.13 merge status

2005-06-25 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Sat, Jun 25, 2005 at 12:23:41PM -0700, Hans Reiser wrote: assert(trace_hash-89, is_hashed(foo) != 0); Lots of people like corporate anonymity. Some don't. I don't. I like knowing who wrote what. It helps me know who to pay how much. It helps me know who to forward the bug

Re: -mm - 2.6.13 merge status

2005-06-25 Thread Hubert Chan
On Sat, 25 Jun 2005 12:23:41 -0700, Hans Reiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: assert(trace_hash-89, is_hashed(foo) != 0); Lots of people like corporate anonymity. Some don't. I don't. I like knowing who wrote what. ... For what it's worth (I know: not much), I like the named asserts in

Re: -mm - 2.6.13 merge status

2005-06-25 Thread Christian Trefzer
Hubert Chan schrieb: How about something of the form nikita-955(file:line)? Or the reverse: file:line(nikita-955). Would that keep everyone happy? Damn, I was wondering how long it would take until someone would come up with a compromise solution ; ) Compromises everywhere will lead to

Re: -mm - 2.6.13 merge status

2005-06-25 Thread Hans Reiser
Christian Trefzer wrote: Hubert Chan schrieb: How about something of the form nikita-955(file:line)? Or the reverse: file:line(nikita-955). Would that keep everyone happy? Makes me happy.

Re: -mm - 2.6.13 merge status

2005-06-25 Thread Christian Trefzer
Hans Reiser schrieb: Christian Trefzer wrote: Hubert Chan schrieb: How about something of the form nikita-955(file:line)? Or the reverse: file:line(nikita-955). Would that keep everyone happy? Makes me happy. Nice, how about the others? Hey, if we need some objective and

Re: reiser4 plugins

2005-06-25 Thread David Masover
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hubert Chan wrote: On Sat, 25 Jun 2005 16:31:37 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: [...] Meanwhile, PGP was designed to be used in an environment where you could do this: Today's secret plans are AES256 encrypted. The key is the next key in your

Re: reiser4 plugins

2005-06-25 Thread David Masover
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 25 Jun 2005 13:33:27 CDT, David Masover said: Now *think* for a moment - how does a hypothetical Reiser4 using ext3 format gain any speed advantage with small files, when the speed advantage is based on using a

Re: reiser4 plugins

2005-06-25 Thread Horst von Brand
David Masover [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Horst von Brand wrote: David Masover [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Horst von Brand wrote: David Masover [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hans Reiser wrote: Jeff Garzik wrote: [...] Ain't broke is the battle cry of stagnation. I see it as the battle cry of

Re: reiser4 plugins

2005-06-25 Thread Hans Reiser
Think of reiser4 as being designed to be 90% library routines, and 10% program. Now, can these libraries be used by other filesystems? Why yes, some can. How many of them should be used by other filesystems? Reality: few people are going to rewrite their existing filesytems to mostly use our

Re: reiser4 plugins

2005-06-25 Thread David Masover
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Horst von Brand wrote: David Masover [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Horst von Brand wrote: David Masover [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Horst von Brand wrote: David Masover [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hans Reiser wrote: Jeff Garzik wrote: [...]

Re: reiser4 plugins

2005-06-25 Thread David Masover
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Lincoln Dale wrote: Hans Reiser wrote: There has been no response to the technical email asking for what exactly it is that is duplicative, and what exactly it is that ought to be changed in how the code works, as opposed to what file the code

Re: reiser4 plugins

2005-06-25 Thread Hubert Chan
On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 00:01:39 -0400, Horst von Brand [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: David Masover [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Also, space is not so cheap that I won't take 25% more. It is cheap enough that I can't realistically fill the disks I have with /usefull/ stuff. So... And since when